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      Reply #4350: May 27, 2018 05:08:48 pm
      Yeah I'm in agreement with you, any where else almost sure to be different result. Good result for Hammy as certainly was damage limitation with the red bulls being so fast. Only losing 3 points to Vettel in the championship was a bonus.

      Monaco certainly doesn't suit Verstappen and for me will always struggle round here.

      Yeah I thought that was a quietly satisfying result for Lewis. Last year he struggled really badly but on a weekend where arguably both Ferrari's were faster I think he can be happy with a podium result.

      And it's interesting that you note Max's form around Monaco. It really isn't good. I'm sure he'll hook it up eventually but for someone so incredibly talented you'd have expected to see something a bit more after the 4 races he's driven at this event. That said he did well to get into the points today so fair play to him there at least.

      Only one podium so far this season - he's having a tough time of it. After an incredible end to last season I thought he was all set for this season. Not so. I just wonder whether the fact that he had such a meteoric rise saw him bypass the expected/natural sticky period that you'd expect for all young drivers at this level. Perhaps that phase has caught up with him and he's now 'doing his time'. It'll make him a stronger driver as a result of it though.
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      Reply #4351: May 27, 2018 06:09:29 pm
      complete bore fest shouldn't be on the calendar I think Lewis made his feelings known after the race
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      Reply #4352: May 27, 2018 08:30:43 pm
      What a day for Australian motor sport. Daniel Ricciardo wins the Monaco Grand Prix and Will Power wins the Indy 500.
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      Reply #4353: May 27, 2018 10:31:46 pm
      What a day for Australian motor sport. Daniel Ricciardo wins the Monaco Grand Prix and Will Power wins the Indy 500.

      Any chance of Daniel going to Mercedes?  :roll:
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      Reply #4354: May 27, 2018 10:54:06 pm
      Any chance of Daniel going to Mercedes?  :roll:

      Only if they have enough money left over after they've signed Lewis to a new deal! ;)
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      Reply #4355: May 29, 2018 09:03:33 pm
      https://twitter.com/Jamesallenonf1/status/1001211200670175232

      One of the most bizarre yet intriguing moves - Ferrari chief designer moves to Alfa Romeo Sauber to take up the role of Technical Director. What's Sergio Marchionne playing at I wonder? As for Sauber, they haven't been this well staffed with that level of expertise since the days they were under BMW ownership! It wasn't that long ago that they were struggling to stay in the sport.
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      Reply #4356: Jun 07, 2018 08:17:18 pm
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      complete bore fest shouldn't be on the calendar I think Lewis made his feelings known after the race

      If you eliminated borefests from the calendar, you would have about two races left. You don't race other drivers in Monaco, you race the circuit. One mistake and you're in the wall. Or your race is ruined as Verstappen found out. The onboard was live with his car at the time he planted it in the swimming pool, and his race was effectively done at that point.

      Monaco has seen some of the greatest races of all time, but this year was a traditional Monaco race, processional. Montreal is like Melbourne, and it should be Hamilton's. After that comes the triple header, when Paul Ricard in France returns to the calendar. The circuit is mostly the same layout as it's last race in 1990, with a new chicane on the very long back straight the only significant change.

      Many of us started watching the sport when Williams ruled the roost. Like most F1 fans, it's sad to see Williams where they currently are. The team has a Mercedes engine ffs. Either Claire has taken her eye off the ball, or Di Resta and Kubica must be really bad if they can't be better than Stroll and Sirotkin.
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      Reply #4357: Jun 08, 2018 05:37:50 pm
      For the life of me I just can't make any type of prediction for the Canadian GP from what I've seen/heard so far. Anyone any clues  :D
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      Reply #4358: Jun 09, 2018 01:52:57 pm
      For the life of me I just can't make any type of prediction for the Canadian GP from what I've seen/heard so far. Anyone any clues  :D

      Tough one - but it looks like Mercedes are sandbagging a bit.
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      Reply #4359: Jun 09, 2018 02:06:10 pm
      Tough one - but it looks like Mercedes are sandbagging a bit.

      Really? Bloody hope so  :D As a ex handicapper will use clause 19 on them if true  :lmao:
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      Reply #4360: Jun 09, 2018 05:07:03 pm
      Well I've watched all three practice sessions and still none the wiser  ;D
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      Reply #4361: Jun 09, 2018 05:28:27 pm
      Well I've watched all three practice sessions and still none the wiser  ;D

      All will be revealed soon!
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      Reply #4362: Jun 09, 2018 06:32:01 pm
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      Reply #4363: Jun 09, 2018 07:38:07 pm
      Tough one - but it looks like Mercedes are sandbagging a bit.

      Are you sure I'm going to be using clause 19 after Q3  :D
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      Reply #4364: Jun 09, 2018 08:14:15 pm
      So it was Vettel! You can relax Keith - then again maybe not!

      Third would have been decent for Lewis, in sight of Vettel, but Max bumping him down right at the end isn't a good result!
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      Reply #4365: Jun 09, 2018 08:21:50 pm
      So it was Vettel! You can relax Keith - then again maybe not!

      Third would have been decent for Lewis, in sight of Vettel, but Max bumping him down right at the end isn't a good result!

      Was so hoping you were right mate but I just couldn't see anyone having a edge from what I saw in P1 P2 & P3.

      For the race itself I'm going to make a big call.  :o Verstappen for the win, Vettel 2nd & Hammy 3rd  :o Hoping I'm wrong obviously and Hammy takes it down.   :D
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      Reply #4366: Jun 09, 2018 08:29:38 pm
      Was so hoping you were right mate but I just couldn't see anyone having a edge from what I saw in P1 P2 & P3.

      For the race itself I'm going to make a big call.  :o Verstappen for the win, Vettel 2nd & Hammy 3rd  :o Hoping I'm wrong obviously and Hammy takes it down.   :D

      Whenever you see Lewis beaten by his teammate in qualifying you just think is it going to be one of those "off" weekends he has on the odd occasion.
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      Reply #4367: Jun 10, 2018 09:09:09 am
      On paper this looks like one of the most exciting races of the season... Bring it on.  ;D
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      Reply #4368: Jun 10, 2018 09:58:54 am
      On paper this looks like one of the most exciting races of the season... Bring it on.  ;D

      Fancy a 1-2 Merc victory & Lewis winning..
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      Reply #4369: Jun 10, 2018 10:27:10 am
      Think Mercedes on Hamiltons car were just not winding it up in Qualifying but his race pace should be good if he can get past Max.
      Hopefully if they can all get through this first lap unscathed it could be a classic.
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      Reply #4370: Jun 10, 2018 07:01:41 pm
      Should be a good one.
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      Reply #4371: Jun 10, 2018 08:18:33 pm
      it should have been good but it peaked at Lap one.
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      Reply #4372: Jun 10, 2018 08:36:55 pm
      it should have been good but it peaked at Lap one.

      Scratch my last post! This has been dire!
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      Reply #4373: Jun 10, 2018 08:49:34 pm
      Terrible race further underlining the tragedy of cars doing economy/preservation runs to save their tyres and engines. This is what you get if you limit the number of engines you can use per season only getting to maximise the ability of the engine for a few laps in the Grand Prix.

      Still - Vettel did a grand job and was a deserving winner. Hamilton not so. Thoroughly outperformed by Bottas this weekend - there was more pace/better stability in that Mercedes and Lewis didn't do the job this weekend sadly. Must do better in France and Seb deservedly leads the championship.
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      Reply #4374: Jun 11, 2018 12:46:35 am
      Massive anti climax to what looked like a classic on paper. Totally agree with you Frankly. Think Hamilton left his hammer at home this week as he looked very average throughout the week. On a positive side with 1 point separation the top two we're in for a exciting two months.
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      Reply #4375: Jun 11, 2018 04:15:34 pm
      Hamilton should have had a new engine but they fu**ed it up so his engine is now 7 races old and losing power.
      He had to basically nurse it all weekend and wasn't able to turn the dial up to 10 when required .
      If they cant make a race if it in Canada then they need to think again even Max looked sedate this weekend.
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      Reply #4376: Jun 13, 2018 11:15:36 pm
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      Terrible race further underlining the tragedy of cars doing economy/preservation runs to save their tyres and engines. This is what you get if you limit the number of engines you can use per season only getting to maximise the ability of the engine for a few laps in the Grand Prix.

      Hamilton walked it the last two years as he usually does there, but there was no complaints about how boring they were  and they weren't great either. It's a long way from the 2011 race when Button went from last to a win on the last lap, with the race taking 4.5 hours to actually finish.

      Years ago, if you went off at Casino hairpin in Montreal, your race was done. Now, it's just another run off road and your race goes on. It's difficult to respect many of the drivers today the way they used to, too many risk averse drivers around wanting safety cars for every incident, demanding red flags for rain affected races/sessions, halos and run off areas to sanitise the tracks and lessen the challenge, that earlier drivers just got on with in all conditions and obstacles. That's what Formula 1 is supposed to be.
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      Reply #4377: Jun 14, 2018 08:02:37 pm
      Hamilton walked it the last two years as he usually does there, but there was no complaints about how boring they were  and they weren't great either. It's a long way from the 2011 race when Button went from last to a win on the last lap, with the race taking 4.5 hours to actually finish.

      Years ago, if you went off at Casino hairpin in Montreal, your race was done. Now, it's just another run off road and your race goes on. It's difficult to respect many of the drivers today the way they used to, too many risk averse drivers around wanting safety cars for every incident, demanding red flags for rain affected races/sessions, halos and run off areas to sanitise the tracks and lessen the challenge, that earlier drivers just got on with in all conditions and obstacles. That's what Formula 1 is supposed to be.

      Yeah there were no complaints because I and others on here thought it was quite an enjoyable race last season.
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      Reply #4378: Jun 14, 2018 08:39:28 pm


      Years ago, if you went off at Casino hairpin in Montreal, your race was done. Now, it's just another run off road and your race goes on. It's difficult to respect many of the drivers today the way they used to, too many risk averse drivers around wanting safety cars for every incident, demanding red flags for rain affected races/sessions, halos and run off areas to sanitise the tracks and lessen the challenge, that earlier drivers just got on with in all conditions and obstacles. That's what Formula 1 is supposed to be.

      That's not down to the driver though. If they had it their way it would still be the same. The powers that be bring all the legislation, safety issues into play that can take some of the excitement away.
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      Reply #4379: Jun 14, 2018 09:11:49 pm
      That's not down to the driver though. If they had it their way it would still be the same. The powers that be bring all the legislation, safety issues into play that can take some of the excitement away.


      Yeah - I think the drivers get blamed for a lot of things that aren't of their doing in this sport. We're blessed with a wonderfully talented field of drivers many with exciting futures ahead of them.

      Also given that the hairpin in Montreal is so tight and so time consuming if you get it wrong, even if drivers go off there and come back on it still pretty much ruins their race particularly if they're running in a close battle. I've never thought a wall there would improve the spectacle.

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