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      Re: Formula 1
      Reply #4375: Jun 11, 2018 04:15:34 pm
      Hamilton should have had a new engine but they fu**ed it up so his engine is now 7 races old and losing power.
      He had to basically nurse it all weekend and wasn't able to turn the dial up to 10 when required .
      If they cant make a race if it in Canada then they need to think again even Max looked sedate this weekend.
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      Reply #4376: Jun 13, 2018 11:15:36 pm
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      Terrible race further underlining the tragedy of cars doing economy/preservation runs to save their tyres and engines. This is what you get if you limit the number of engines you can use per season only getting to maximise the ability of the engine for a few laps in the Grand Prix.

      Hamilton walked it the last two years as he usually does there, but there was no complaints about how boring they were  and they weren't great either. It's a long way from the 2011 race when Button went from last to a win on the last lap, with the race taking 4.5 hours to actually finish.

      Years ago, if you went off at Casino hairpin in Montreal, your race was done. Now, it's just another run off road and your race goes on. It's difficult to respect many of the drivers today the way they used to, too many risk averse drivers around wanting safety cars for every incident, demanding red flags for rain affected races/sessions, halos and run off areas to sanitise the tracks and lessen the challenge, that earlier drivers just got on with in all conditions and obstacles. That's what Formula 1 is supposed to be.
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      Reply #4377: Jun 14, 2018 08:02:37 pm
      Hamilton walked it the last two years as he usually does there, but there was no complaints about how boring they were  and they weren't great either. It's a long way from the 2011 race when Button went from last to a win on the last lap, with the race taking 4.5 hours to actually finish.

      Years ago, if you went off at Casino hairpin in Montreal, your race was done. Now, it's just another run off road and your race goes on. It's difficult to respect many of the drivers today the way they used to, too many risk averse drivers around wanting safety cars for every incident, demanding red flags for rain affected races/sessions, halos and run off areas to sanitise the tracks and lessen the challenge, that earlier drivers just got on with in all conditions and obstacles. That's what Formula 1 is supposed to be.

      Yeah there were no complaints because I and others on here thought it was quite an enjoyable race last season.
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      Reply #4378: Jun 14, 2018 08:39:28 pm


      Years ago, if you went off at Casino hairpin in Montreal, your race was done. Now, it's just another run off road and your race goes on. It's difficult to respect many of the drivers today the way they used to, too many risk averse drivers around wanting safety cars for every incident, demanding red flags for rain affected races/sessions, halos and run off areas to sanitise the tracks and lessen the challenge, that earlier drivers just got on with in all conditions and obstacles. That's what Formula 1 is supposed to be.

      That's not down to the driver though. If they had it their way it would still be the same. The powers that be bring all the legislation, safety issues into play that can take some of the excitement away.
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      Reply #4379: Jun 14, 2018 09:11:49 pm
      That's not down to the driver though. If they had it their way it would still be the same. The powers that be bring all the legislation, safety issues into play that can take some of the excitement away.


      Yeah - I think the drivers get blamed for a lot of things that aren't of their doing in this sport. We're blessed with a wonderfully talented field of drivers many with exciting futures ahead of them.

      Also given that the hairpin in Montreal is so tight and so time consuming if you get it wrong, even if drivers go off there and come back on it still pretty much ruins their race particularly if they're running in a close battle. I've never thought a wall there would improve the spectacle.
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      Reply #4380: Jun 15, 2018 09:59:30 pm
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      Reply #4381: Jun 15, 2018 10:35:03 pm
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      Reply #4382: Jun 15, 2018 10:51:06 pm
      Great news.

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      Mine too. The greatest circuit on earth.
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      Reply #4383: Jun 15, 2018 11:08:51 pm
      Absolute fantastic news as love this place. Bring it on.  ;D
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      Reply #4384: Jun 20, 2018 11:38:32 am
      So Red Bull have made the switch to Honda for next season.

      I think this season has shown the Honda engine wasn't as poor as McLaren would have us believe and I think this could be a good move for Red Bull.

      Thoughts?
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      Reply #4385: Jun 20, 2018 01:27:18 pm
      So Red Bull have made the switch to Honda for next season.

      I think this season has shown the Honda engine wasn't as poor as McLaren would have us believe and I think this could be a good move for Red Bull.

      Thoughts?

      You don't become a sh*t engine overnight which was being said about Honda, McLaren need to get their house in order & the sacking of Whitmarsh,the Ferrari scandal, dropping Merc as a engine supplier were all poorly & hastily taken decision  & Ron Dennis being a proper n*b have seen the team regress...

      Honda & RedBull will form a title winning collaboration within the next 2 seasons...RB have all the info on Honda engines through RB's junior team..

      I said it last season, when McLaren put it on the doorstep of Honda for the teams failure, that McLaren will have nowhere to hide...
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      Reply #4386: Jun 20, 2018 08:23:16 pm
      So Red Bull have made the switch to Honda for next season.

      I think this season has shown the Honda engine wasn't as poor as McLaren would have us believe and I think this could be a good move for Red Bull.

      Thoughts?

      It's interesting that it's a two year deal and I think it is a great one for Red Bull. It gives them the luxury of sampling Honda and find out if they're a worthy partner before launching into the 2021 era and and all its vast technical changes that will come with it. I'm sure during those next two years they'll request that Honda develop them an engine that is the class of the field from 2021 onwards. Alternatively during that time they could sound out other partners who may look to come into f1 with the new proposed changes. Either way, I think they're well placed for the 2021 season and have probably stolen a march on their rivals on that basis.

      I think Honda showed progression in their second season with McLaren (2016) after their disastrous first season but they shot themselves in the foot when they decided to go back to square one by completely redesigning their power unit, Honda even admitting themselves that it was a high risk strrategy. So in that respect I thought McLaren were badly let down last year and what they became was basically a test vehicle to sort out Honda's problems of which they've progressed and rectified this season, to the benefit of Toro Rosso and Red Bull.

      That's not me excusing McLaren though. Even before Honda joined up with them in 2015 they were by far the worst Mercedes powered team on a grid and a season where Mercedes power unit advantage was at its strongest (so much that Williams were regular podium scorers...and probably should have won a race!). That says a lot about the faulty design process that has been operating within McLaren for years. I read John Barnard's comments today on Sky about how McLaren's technical setup was based on how the aerospace industry works, design by committee in effect, in that the structure implemented at McLaren could, in theory, easily sustain itself and not be impacted if and when key personnel left the organisation.

      I recently bought Adrian Newey's autobiography 'How To Build A Car' (I couldn't recommend this book highly enough - one of, if not the best f1 book I've ever read) and he said the exact same thing to the point where he was being overruled on major decisions regarding the design and build of cars by a 'committee' or as they call them at McLaren 'mullahs'. Sure enough, during Newey's latter seasons at McLaren they were never that successful and far from operating a system that would ensure stability and regular success at McLaren, the system has only served to restrict and curb genius and innovation in the team. To any observer of F1, casual or die hard, success in F1 is build on individual brilliance on the track and off it. Develop a system that doesn't lessen the importance of individuals. Create one that allows them to flourish - McLaren should refer to Ross Brawn's methods in that respect!
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      Reply #4387: Jun 23, 2018 03:36:43 pm
      McLaren are fu**ed..Both drivers out in Q1...
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      Reply #4388: Jun 23, 2018 08:37:35 pm
      What an absolutely horrific showing by McLaren. In the absolute pits (no pun intended) - this is Hodgson at Liverpool levels of direness! Given the rumours that they are chasing Ricciardo (good luck with that) that might also suggest Alonso has made his mind up and will exit the sport at the end of their year. Heads will roll. Tim Goss was the first and certainly won't be the last.
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      Reply #4389: Jun 23, 2018 09:38:40 pm
      What an absolutely horrific showing by McLaren. In the absolute pits (no pun intended) - this is Hodgson at Liverpool levels of direness! Given the rumours that they are chasing Ricciardo (good luck with that) that might also suggest Alonso has made his mind up and will exit the sport at the end of their year. Heads will roll. Tim Goss was the first and certainly won't be the last.

      I think Fernando is definitely off mate.

      Danny would be taking a huge risk leaving Red Bull for McLaren at this stage.
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      Reply #4390: Jun 24, 2018 03:42:53 pm
      We are seeing why Bottas is number two driver after 16 laps and a sfety Car he is 10 seconds behind Vettel
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      Reply #4391: Jun 24, 2018 04:16:13 pm
      We are seeing why Bottas is number two driver after 16 laps and a sfety Car he is 10 seconds behind Vettel

      Bottas Merc is carry floor damage, could explain why he is slower..
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      Reply #4392: Jun 24, 2018 05:56:15 pm
      Easy as you like for Lewis. Needed that one made all the better thanks to Seb's error/penalty.
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      Reply #4393: Jun 25, 2018 01:07:48 am
      What an absolutely horrific showing by McLaren. In the absolute pits (no pun intended) - this is Hodgson at Liverpool levels of direness! Given the rumours that they are chasing Ricciardo (good luck with that) that might also suggest Alonso has made his mind up and will exit the sport at the end of their year. Heads will roll. Tim Goss was the first and certainly won't be the last.

      They actually made quite a positive start to the season, looked like there was glimmer of hope for them. Now though, they’ve become just as pathetic and embarrassing as last year. Really can’t see Alonso staying with them beyond this season, thought that last year but this year he just seems to have given up, he’s gone from saying how they will soon improve as the season goes on to not saying it and basically saying they need to get a grip and stop with the bullshit like chasing down 4th/5th over the radio.
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      Reply #4394: Jun 25, 2018 08:33:42 am
      Bottas Merc is carry floor damage, could explain why he is slower..

      Even without floor damage he has always been slower that Hammy. Perfect No 2 for him coz he's never really a threat.
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      Reply #4395: Jun 25, 2018 08:34:34 am
      Easy as you like for Lewis. Needed that one made all the better thanks to Seb's error/penalty.

      How on earth did he only get 5 second penalty?
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      Reply #4396: Jun 26, 2018 12:49:23 pm
      Race was over at the first corner. It was an expensive race for Vettel, considering that Austria and Silverstone are power tracks that Hamilton should win easily. Vettel can't really afford to wait until Hungaroring to deliver, because history shows that Hamilton grabs the bull by the horns to win the Championship, straight after the summer break.
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      Reply #4397: Jun 26, 2018 03:46:42 pm
      Race was over at the first corner. It was an expensive race for Vettel, considering that Austria and Silverstone are power tracks that Hamilton should win easily. Vettel can't really afford to wait until Hungaroring to deliver, because history shows that Hamilton grabs the bull by the horns to win the Championship, straight after the summer break.

      Here's hoping you've called it spot on.  ;D
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      Reply #4398: Jun 27, 2018 11:01:25 pm
      Race was over at the first corner. It was an expensive race for Vettel, considering that Austria and Silverstone are power tracks that Hamilton should win easily. Vettel can't really afford to wait until Hungaroring to deliver, because history shows that Hamilton grabs the bull by the horns to win the Championship, straight after the summer break.

      Apart from 2016 when it all went tits up for him after the summer break.
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      Reply #4399: Jun 30, 2018 01:08:55 pm
      Just being discussed on Channel 4 regarding the expected confirmation of Charles LeClerc as Vettel's team mate at Ferrari next year. Big big move and quite unlike Ferrari who have always been more prone to signing established drivers as 1 and 2. Class class driver - hope it isn't a season too early for him but that worry will always be there for hot prospects like him.

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