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      What can Rafa do differently ?

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      RedLFCBlood
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      What can Rafa do differently ?
      Dec 06, 2009 04:09:04 pm
      Now as we have "is Rafa the right man for the job thread", I do not think it really matters if you are pro Rafa or anti Rafa we all know Rafa can make decisions leaving us perplexed and have an opinion of what we would like to see Rafa do differently, so as I've started the thread I will go first.

      Playing players out of position.

      Now we have seen this countless times, sometimes with good effect Kuyt last season sometimes with Bad effects Babel consistently. Now what I would say if you are going to try then do it, if it is bearing the fruit of your labour then persist with it, If not cut your losses and play the player in a more natural position to get the best out of him.

      Selections.

      Now sometimes Rafa's selections leave me totally perplexed using Masch & Lucas as an example sometimes it works sometimes it does not, Now I agree playing two defensive midfielder's against the Chelsea's Arsenals and the United's of this world is a safe tactic, how ever playing against the Blackburns of this world it simply just is not needed.

      Substitutions.

      This is one thing that annoys the living daylights out of me, if the game is clearly not going our way why wait until the 60 minute to do anything about it ? for instance is Insua is being crucified on the left haul his arse off and replace him with him immediate effect do not wait until we concede or the 60th minute to address it.

      Also on substitutions taking player off who look most likely to break the deadlock and replacing them with Dossena, N'Gog infuriates the life out of me, granted the players being substituted may not be %100 match fit, but in essence I'd rather have a %80 fit Torres on the pitch for the final 20 minutes when needing a goal than a %100 fit Voronin or N'Gog.

      Negativity.

      Again comes down to two defensive midfielders we are Liverpool FC we should not be going into games against opposition that are effectively minnows in comparisons with a negative mindset playing two holding midfielders. We should be going into games with them there minnows worrying about us raping them a new arsehole.

      Mediocrity.

      Now Rafa has pretty much assembled the spine of his team, the mediocrity of some signings has to stop, sure they were to fill holes in the squad and increase his spending power when selling them on, how ever I want to see quality over quantity &  its the only way to build on top of what we have to move us forwards.

      Youth.

      Place some more faith in youth we have some good quality youth playing in the reserves and I'm of the opinion if they are good enough they are old enough simples, I remember Jamie Redknap, Steve Macmanaman, Robbie Fowler, Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard to name but a few given a chance at this club to impress from a young age.  So Rafa don't be so reliant on Voronin Dossena Degen , when you have the likes of Pacheo Nemeth Darby Kelly Ecclestone at your disposal, the only way they are ever going to get premiership experience is by playing in it ffs.

      Even though that is my feelings, I still feel Rafa is the right man for the job, I just wish he'd stop being so stubborn at times.
      « Last Edit: Dec 06, 2009 05:01:45 pm by RedLFCBlood »
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #1: Dec 06, 2009 04:12:30 pm
      Good post that RLB - agree with your points.
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      Reply #2: Dec 06, 2009 04:25:14 pm
      Excellent points. Heres some of my own for rafa to ponder :)

      Kuyt as a winger hasnt worked this season. It should still be an option for opposition strong down that side but not an automatic selection.

      Gerrard as a striker hasnt been working either. Little goals and lack of decent ball are just frustrating him. Drop him back to mid.

      Play Benayoun off the striker. He shines this way instead of chasing long balls down the left.

      Lucas and masch too similar. Masch better Lucas just a backup.

      For god sakes play babel. Hes 4th best attacking option more creative than any of our wingers except benayoun and his consistency will not improve by not playing. Uve shown faith in lucas show it to babel otherwise sell and end this debate.

      Sell riera,el zhar,voronin and get one true left sided player eg silva.

      Subs: make subs to win games not cement draws.

      Fitness:If hes not fit dont put him on the bench then.If he is fit and we need him bloody play him.

      Aurelio is a better defender/player than insua. Play him at left back until hes injured. Have balls play the best players mix loyalty with performance.



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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #3: Dec 06, 2009 04:30:59 pm
      RB is a great manager but all managers have their flaws and weaknesses and for me Rafa's biggest problem is substitutions IMO he waits for too long to make changes and when does make them sometimes they are so bizarre.

      Another thing is Rafa is too cautious for me if a player is fit to be on the bench they are fit to play a good 45 minutes or so but with Rafa if their on the bench coming back from injury they can only play 10minutes or so and by then its too late.

      I think Rafa is a great tactician and a superb manager but at times he can make mistakes and i wish he would cut back on them but to be fair he is only human.
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      Reply #4: Dec 06, 2009 04:32:01 pm
      I forgot one.. and shave your f**king goatee off Rafa, we've had nothing but bad luck since that f**king made an appearance :D
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      Reply #5: Dec 06, 2009 04:37:33 pm
      I forgot one.. and shave your f**king goatee off Rafa, we've had nothing but bad luck since that f**king made an appearance :D

      haha :D
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #6: Dec 06, 2009 04:40:49 pm
      i just hope he'd show more confidence in Babel..

      Benayoun off the front man, Gerrard out right, Aquilani and Masch in centre.
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      Reply #7: Dec 06, 2009 04:48:25 pm
      When Torres is out play 2 up top, drop Stevie back into midfield for Lucas and when January comes if we have no money get an experienced back up striker like Van Nistleroy and if you manage to sell Voronin, Dossena, Riera, Babel, Degen put that into buying 2 wide men as we have absolute no width.
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #8: Dec 06, 2009 04:54:52 pm
      Mediocrity.

      Now Rafa has pretty much assembled the spine of his team, the mediocrity of some signings has to stop, sure they were fill to holes in the squad and increase his spending power when selling them on, how ever I want to see quality over quantity its the only way to build on top of what we have to move us forwards.

      We have  5 world class players.

      Nando

      Pepe

      Stevie

      Johnson

      Mascher



      Now its time for getting the other 6.
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #9: Dec 06, 2009 04:56:26 pm
      Hes a top manager but certainly not above questionning as some on here seem to believe. Example yesterday a poor team there to be taken just needed that bit of class to open them. Didnt get the change needed. So what can he do differently? When a game is there for the taking take it dont leave the same system that faild for 60 to 70 minutes continue for the full 90.

      Injuries cant be used to defend tactics all the time! N'Gog came on why not possibily beside Kuyt with Stevie dropping back in a 4 4 2? Our changes are like for like all the time. No plan B
      « Last Edit: Dec 06, 2009 05:04:54 pm by Brian78 »
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      Reply #10: Dec 06, 2009 04:57:16 pm
      We have  5 world class players.

      Nando

      Pepe

      Stevie

      Johnson

      Mascher



      Now its time for getting the other 6.

      Maybe would throw Aquilani into that list, If Rafa would just give him some game time and let us all see what he's really made of. ;)
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #11: Dec 06, 2009 05:00:17 pm
      How could you not class Carra as world class?
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #12: Dec 06, 2009 05:03:07 pm
      How could you not class Carra as world class?

      Exactly what i was thinking, how could u name Johnson as world class but not Carra.
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      Reply #13: Dec 06, 2009 05:03:39 pm
      Maybe before but not anymore, would be fairly biased if we did.
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      Reply #14: Dec 06, 2009 05:10:02 pm
      Now its time for getting the other 6.

      Not all top teams have 11 world class players. I wouldn't call Abidal or Valdes world class. Nor would I call Boswinga and Carvalho world class. The best teams do not consist of 11 world class players.

      IMO, the main thing Rafa can do differently is to stop being so stubborn. Mix things around when you have to, get some youth in and around the first team squad.

      At the moment, we're way too predictable. Rafa can change that through a change in tactics or putting someone like Pacheco in the squad and giving him some match time.
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      Reply #15: Dec 06, 2009 05:10:10 pm
      What about Benayoun?
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #16: Dec 07, 2009 06:12:10 am
      Playing players out of position.

      Now we have seen this countless times, sometimes with good effect Kuyt last season sometimes with Bad effects Babel consistently. Now what I would say if you are going to try then do it, if it is bearing the fruit of your labour then persist with it, If not cut your losses and play the player in a more natural position to get the best out of him.

      Selections.

      Now sometimes Rafa's selections leave me totally perplexed using Masch & Lucas as an example sometimes it works sometimes it does not, Now I agree playing two defensive midfielder's against the Chelsea's Arsenals and the United's of this world is a safe tactic, how ever playing against the Blackburns of this world it simply just is not needed.

      Substitutions.

      This is one thing that annoys the living daylights out of me, if the game is clearly not going our way why wait until the 60 minute to do anything about it ? for instance is Insua is being crucified on the left haul his arse off and replace him with him immediate effect do not wait until we concede or the 60th minute to address it.

      Also on substitutions taking player off who look most likely to break the deadlock and replacing them with Dossena, N'Gog infuriates the life out of me, granted the players being substituted may not be %100 match fit, but in essence I'd rather have a %80 fit Torres on the pitch for the final 20 minutes when needing a goal than a %100 fit Voronin or N'Gog.


      Mediocrity.

      Now Rafa has pretty much assembled the spine of his team, the mediocrity of some signings has to stop, sure they were to fill holes in the squad and increase his spending power when selling them on, how ever I want to see quality over quantity &  its the only way to build on top of what we have to move us forwards.


      I agree with your other posts RLB (except for the negativity paragraph, its just another team selection rant) but these i see through somewhat.

      Players playing out of position was led to us developing some good players. Kuyt the obvious one who was vital to our success last season and the season in which we made the CL final. Babel is a tricky one, who we cannot assume things about.

      At Ajax, he played on the left side of three attackers. Fundamentally, he was a left winger who was given freedom to roam in the box. So, that one is in the middle of black and white, i feel.

      Another, which so many overlook, is Alvaro Arbeloa. When brought to the club, he was a centre back. Rafa brought him in and shaped him into one of the best right backs in the Premier League and was good enough to receive call ups for the Spain squad (lets face it, no one is going to take Ramos' place).

      In regards to his selections - every manager fields a side he feels will win and select those who are fit and able to play. He was employed by the club and has far more knowledge about players, attributes, opposition, etc. for us to question some of his selections.

      Against Portsmouth, he used a foreign system to us all but we won. that was the perfect example of a manager adjusting to the circumstances.

      Substitutions get me fired up also, but as a manager who gives instructions on how to win a game at half time, you want to give your tactics a chance to succeed. It's having faith in yourself and no one has more faith in themselves more than Benitez.

      Mediocrity is a harsh word, IMO. He has chased big signings and only pulled out through mitigating circumstances/financial restraints (Simao, Joaquin, Silva, Alves etc.). He has had his fair share of poor signings but his success rate is fantastic when you consider the transitional phase the club has gone through.

      If given the choice, i have no doubts the likes of Dossena, Voronin and Degen etc. would be out the door and better players in. Unfortunately, we have seen how injuries can rack up and these players are needed at those times.

      Just finally, i do agree with the rest, but some i can see reasoning as to why Rafa has gone down these pathways.
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #17: Dec 07, 2009 06:49:08 am
       
      I forgot one.. and shave your f**king goatee off Rafa, we've had nothing but bad luck since that f**king made an appearance :D

      ;D! :lmao:
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      Reply #18: Dec 07, 2009 06:51:44 am
      Have a little more luck than he's been having.
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      Reply #19: Dec 07, 2009 07:33:10 am
      Rafa needs to start getting the team to play at a consistent level, imo that has been Rafa's biggest failing in his time in charge.
      We have gone on decent runs but have always been inclined to underperform against poorer opposition. Rafa has never seemed to
      have gotten to grips with that and hence our failure to win the league.  Too often we put in a stinker after a great win or don't play for
      90 mins and sometimes we look as if we are not up for it when we should be chomping at the bit for 3 points.

      Rafa needs to stop worrying about the opposition so much. Too often he picks teams with the opposition in mind, we are Liverpool ffs.
      Ok like every manager he needs to be mindful of the opposition but not to the extent of worrying about teams like Bolton, Blackburn. He should
      be sending the team out with the attitude of 'this is how we play, we don't give a sh*t about you, we are going to play you off the park'.

      Rafa needs to give players like Pacheco and Nemeth a chance. Of all seasons this is one where we needed to take a chance with youth due to
      the disappointing summer transfer period which left us with a miserable squad esp up front yet Nemeth ends up at AEK????

      Rafa needs to realise that we need more than Kuyt on the right wing

      Rafa needs to realise that if Aquilani doesn't starting playing every game for the next two months instead of Lucas I am going to
      stick a hot poker up his hole
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      Reply #20: Dec 07, 2009 07:36:44 am
      Maybe before but not anymore, would be fairly biased if we did.

      Carra:   Thats why.
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      Re: What can Rafa do differently ?
      Reply #21: Dec 07, 2009 07:57:16 am
      Shave off the Goatee and go for the porno moustache.


      Playing players out of position.

      Substitutions.

      Youth.
      Completely agree with these points.
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      Reply #22: Dec 07, 2009 08:39:42 am
      We are too predictable and have no goal threat without Torres. Our lack of attacking options really worries me.

      I had a look at the Manc team that hammered West Ham and individually they do not stand out apart from Rooney. Anderson, Brown, Carrick etc wouldn't get anywhere near our team so how are they able to wipe the floor with teams and we cant create F**k all.

      Opposing teams know that if you shut Gerrard / Yossi out of the match we are basically fu**ed. No-one else at the moment can create anything.

      Rafa needs to shake it up - I said it before the match, 1 holding midfielder, 2 up top and go and take these teams apart but we insist on 2 defensive players and have no decent width to trouble teams.

      Our tactics need to be changed immediately. We are running out of time.

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