Should I expect less from Liverpool?

Fantastic post mate. You talked about being at a lucky age were you have watched us achieve so much as well as have great players and you wonder whether this has increased your expectations of the club. Well I will tell you this- I am 18 years old, have been a Liverpool fan for all my life and I have not once seen us pick up a league trophy. Infact, sometimes I wonder whether I jinx Liverpool as I was born in 1991 and we haven't won a league since 1990. However, the point I am trying to make is that despite me not having witnessed a league success, I always believe at the start of each season we can win the league for the first time in my lifetime. In term of high expectations, this is Liverpool Football Club and we are known across the world for being one of the most successful clubs about. At the moment, we are going through a rough patch, what with the Yank owners not delivering on their promises and putting the club into danger. However, this club has always been a club were the expectation is to win, and no matter what happens, that will remain. I personally, and I think many people will agree with me, feel that those expectations are their for a reason, and that is because this glorious club dosen't deserve to be were we currently are. Every club goes through a rough patch and I feel we can come out of it fighting. Afterall, this is Liverpool Football Club and that is what we are all about- fighting and winning. YNWA

probably at the moment.  base this view purely on lack of real investment in the summer.  We needed to keep the same aquad together, plus add players like Johnson and Aquilani and also a proven winger and striker.  i hate to say this but ferguson said he expected the main challenger for the prem title to come from the chavs as far as utd were concerned this season and it wasnt his usual mind games, he might be whatever but unfortunately he isnt stupid........said this before and i'll say it again, IMHO we overperformed last season and then lost the seasons star player.  carra is another year older and slower and our defence has been more sunday league quality than prem.  its shambolic really and demoralising. The long term prognosis isnt good either, our two 'star' players will go to the world cup and come back knackered for next season.  If Torres does well in SA and we dont finish in 4th place i can see him going as well.  

They may not be the richest club, have the best stadium, have a billionaire, Russian Owner and maybe they aren't the team players expect to go to to win a Cup. But, they are the team that fights for every inch, do it with what they got and still succeed.

Winning a championship by playing tough and being an Underdog is a lot sweeter than being the pretty teams with all the fame and glory.
For all the bad that has gone on this season. We're still in it. 10 points off top spot, Chelsea have played 2 less than us but still, thats not an insurmountable lead for Chelsea or Man U. 

I'm hoping that they can put the first half of the season behind them and gain some ground to at least hit the top 4 and maybe make a run for the title in mid March. W/out CL to play in or worry about they can gain ground and really finish strong.

Winning the league is not an Impossible thing, but they need to play as close to perfect from now till April.  Can they do it?   We'll see.

Fantastic post mate. You talked about being at a lucky age were you have watched us achieve so much as well as have great players and you wonder whther this has increased your expectations of the club. Well I will tell you this- I am 18 years old, have been a Liverpool fan for all my life and I have not once seen us pick up a league trophy. Infact, sometimes I wonder whether I jinx Liverpool as I was born in 1991 and we haven't won a league since 1990. However, the point I am trying to make is that despite me not having witnessed a league success, I always believe at the start of each season we can win the league for the first time in my lifetime. In term of high expectations, this is Liverpool Football Club and we are known across the world for being one of the most successful clubs about. At the moment, we are going through a rough patch, what with the Yank owners not delivering on their promises and putting the club into danger. However, this club has always been a club were the expectation is to win, and no matter what happens, that will remain. I personally, and I think many people will agree with me, feel that those expectations are their for a reason, and that is because this glorious club dosen't deserve to be were we currently are. Every club goes through a rough patch and I feel we can come out of it fighting. Afterall, this is Liverpool Football Club and that is what we are all about- fighting and wining. YNWA

Your no jinx Semple and you speak sensibly beyond your age so fair play. And for young lads like you I promise the wait for that title will be worth it when our great club finally ends its famine. Nobody knows how to celebrate like a Liverpool fan whether scouse Irish or other!!

 Brian I go into every new season holding the belief that we will win the league and anything else we are in.Maybe I am stupid but my belief in L.F.C. will never change nor will the desire to support the club.Just think of times of adversity and we have all stood together and we usually come out of the dark,hence our theme song,Y.N.W.A.Things might look bad at the moment but we have had bad times before (like the 1950s) and we got a man by the  name of Bill Shankly  and he woke the sleeping giant up.The good times will (must) come again so have faith and we will triumph.

Has the time come for me to lower those expectations?
Am I rating our current status to high based on whats gone before?
Or am I right to expect Liverpool football club to always be there or thereabouts when the trophies are handed out.
Nothing changes with respect to how I will ever feel for the club no matter what lies ahead but I would find it saddening to begin every year with little or no belief that this (winning the league) will be a possibility.  

Great post Brian.
Liked what Semple posted as well.

Im an al fart who has supported the club since 1962 Second Division.


NO is my answer.

Shankly took this club and pulled it up by its boot laces to put it on the road to become the most successful British club in history.
He didn't lower or compromise in any way his expectations of what we could become. It was his unswerving faith that set us off on the road we passed along in the decades that followed.
We laid the principals as a club and as supporters that has been emulated by many but never bettered.
Our tribal stories our songs our sayings and our anecdotes are unique to US.

Our Boot Room and the Liverpool way was instinctively born.

What is happening Brian and you can see it in every single post  is that either we swing from  say "In Rafa We Trust" with blind faith or somewhere in another post someone starts sniping him.
One minute we are praising the team or a player up. The next we are knocking them down and pulling them to bits.
This isnt just honest fan debate. This is complete confusion. We are eating ourselves from within.
We dont know where we are headed because of who has their hands on the wheel.

We started Reclaim the Kop and The Spirit Of Shankly.
We can initiate organisation and movement in support of our club.

In respect of our expectations, the minute we start to believe we are nothing more forever an Also Ran Club we throw away our history.
We spit in the face of Shankly and Paisley and those that followed. We trample over their legacy.

There are the others ......for who we must never stop believing for.

We maintain our expectation.
We ensure that we never throw into the fire those stories we tell our children.  It is our children who look to us to keep the faith.

Your no jinx Semple and you speak sensibly beyond your age so fair play. And for young lads like you I promise the wait for that title will be worth it when our great club finally ends its famine. Nobody knows how to celebrate like a Liverpool fan whether scouse Irish or other!!

Cheers Brian. However, i am just talking the way any other REAL Liverpool fan would talk. You know what, i believe what you say about nobody knowing how to celebrate like a Liverpool fan. I will never forget the day that Rafa and the lads brought home olde Big Ears. The amount of people out in the streets, climbing lamposts and anything else they could climb in order to get a good view of their heroes. I have also seen footage of when we have won league titles in the past, and to be honest, i cannot F***ing wait to witness the end of the league famine .

Its sad that even tho i get rared up for every Liverpool game that on recent run outs Ive almost fond myself not being surprised by the terrible results because the football we've been playing has been shocking and you normally get what you deserve and we just haven't been very deserving !

No we shouldn't expect less. We still have virtually the same team that went so close last season. I've been lucky enough to have been supporting Liverpool since the late 70's, and yes, I have been spoiled. The pain of twenty years without a title hurts, but not as much as it would hurt if we'd won f**k all before. We have a great history and tradition at Liverpool Football Club, a true bastion fortress of the working class people, the genuine people, the good people. We expect because we have tasted it so many times before.

I have a strange feeling that the owners will be gone by the summer, don't ask me why, I can just feel it. They are in a mess of their own making, and I feel they will cut their losses as they have nothing left to give. They have chosen to neglect the club, despite their recent windfalls with the sales of their American teams. If they were planning to stay I feel they'd have injected some money into the club by now. Once we are rid of them, the good times will return, and hopefully we will have new owners that feel the same way about Liverpool Football Club as we all do. YNWA. IRWT.