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      The reality of the last two years under Rafa

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      jamo174
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #23: Jun 07, 2010 12:46:57 am
      To be fair the last season was very bizarre as regards to Rafa, some of his decisions sometimes looked like he was threatening the owners to sack him. I.e taking Torres off, Taking Benny off when running a match, Playing Masch at fullback etc etc etc. I sit in the Kop and was sat in the kop during the final days of Souness and believe me the murmurings were just the same if not a little more vocal at some stages this season.

      Rafa is and always will be a gentleman in my eyes and I had the privilege of speaking to him for 10 minutes at a dinner a couple of months back and he lives breaths the game, I just think that he lost his way and had his time.

      When the likes of true legends I.e. Roger Hunt, St John, Thompson, Hansen (he waited till he left before putting boot in) start to question your tactics management style think the writings on the wall.

      Time to look to the future and not be bitter about the past. No one is bigger than our club none of the legends above nor Rafa. Lets wait to see up picks up the reigns at the Pool and give them our support. 

      i have to agree with you mate. thanks for the memories rafa, he will always be a significant part of our history. now lets back the new man whoever that maybe.
      Skidancer
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #24: Jun 08, 2010 07:26:00 pm
      Onwards and Upwards!
      Brian78
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #25: Jun 08, 2010 07:32:54 pm
      Season just over was his only really bad one. Amazingly it was enough to bring his reign to an end

      Some cheer and think were well rid of a poor manager

      If your one of those will you please answer me this..Why if hes a poor manager why do the European champions want him to take over?

      Simple question. I know the answer but just want to see what reason is given by people who viewed hm as a poor manager
      jamo174
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #26: Jun 08, 2010 08:33:04 pm
      just because people wanted rafa out it didnt mean they thought he was a poor manager. some just thought things had become stagnant and felt we needed a change.
      3-star-wool
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #27: Jun 09, 2010 03:21:25 am
      just because people wanted rafa out it didnt mean they thought he was a poor manager. some just thought things had become stagnant and felt we needed a change.

      I think he IS a poor MAN-MANAGER.

      But overall a good manager in the right job. But I don't think we were that right job for him anymore.
      vitez
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #28: Jun 09, 2010 07:14:54 am
      I think he IS a poor MAN-MANAGER.

      But overall a good manager in the right job. But I don't think we were that right job for him anymore.

      What are you basing this off?  I'm not saying you're wrong but some evidence to support your case wouldn't hurt.
      sky1981
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #29: Jun 09, 2010 07:50:39 am
      So, where are those people who wanted Rafa out?

      Where are they, now?

      Of course, nowhere.

      C'mon now, show yourself if you can!





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      king-nando
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #30: Jun 09, 2010 09:13:57 am
      ssn piss me off. they're still giving it the old anti rafa sh*t. they've jst made a point that he was inter's 4th choice of manager.
      brezipool
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #31: Jun 09, 2010 09:35:06 am
      Fuk off was he !

      They went straight in for him. He has only been out of a job for 5 days, and he has a new job at the European Champions.

      They just don't like him. Its shocking !
      Chico Banderas
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #32: Jun 09, 2010 10:20:59 am
      Fuk off was he !

      They went straight in for him. He has only been out of a job for 5 days, and he has a new job at the European Champions.

      They just don't like him. Its shocking !

      The medias hatred toward him is so obvious now its laughable...

      Season just over was his only really bad one. Amazingly it was enough to bring his reign to an end

      Some cheer and think were well rid of a poor manager

      If your one of those will you please answer me this..Why if hes a poor manager why do the European champions want him to take over?

      Simple question. I know the answer but just want to see what reason is given by people who viewed hm as a poor manager

      just because people wanted Rafa out it didn't mean they thought he was a poor manager. some just thought things had become stagnant and felt we needed a change.

      This is what you'll find now... People now claiming they didn't think he was a bad manager just wrong for our club.. And Roy Hodgson is right for our club??..
      The media sheep who wanted Rafa gone DID think he was a bad manager as the arguments on this forum suggests..

      I think he IS a poor MAN-MANAGER.

      But overall a good manager in the right job. But I don't think we were that right job for him anymore.

      It was common knowledge that he wasn't a "Baggy faced Rednapp" or the "Angry little Leprechaun" type man manager but like "vitez" said wheres the actual evidence for this other than the papers.. ?
      bigvYNWA
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #33: Jun 09, 2010 10:30:10 am
      I'm sick of the poor man-manager crap being used as a stick to beat him with. The fact that players have stuck by him and a lot are here because of him puts that to shame. He may not tuck them in at night like Redknapp does, but he knows how to run them as a team to play football - which is what they are there to do.

      The players that don't work under him are the ones that historically are, or end up being, little cu*ts who think they have a right to sh*t in a golden toilet instead of earning it.
      ozi_wozzy
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #34: Jun 09, 2010 10:35:23 am
      Sky Sports News had them all on the other (fateful) day.

      I'm sure I saw AngelicRayment shaggin Alliphone by a bin in the background. Could of been vice versa, they're all the same.



      ;D :D
      jamo174
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #35: Jun 09, 2010 08:37:57 pm
      (quote) This is what you'll find now... People now claiming they didn't think he was a bad manager just wrong for our club.. And Roy Hodgson is right for our club??..
      The media sheep who wanted Rafa gone DID think he was a bad manager as the arguments on this forum suggests..

      maybe some did think he was bad manager. so ok, I didnt think he was a bad manager it was just that on the pitch we had become stale and to me it seemed there was lack of fresh ideas.
      fraggle786
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      Re: The reality of the last two years under Rafa
      Reply #36: Jun 10, 2010 02:07:40 pm
      I saw this article and thought it was well worth a read especially for Angeli and Aliphone:

      Benitez Legacy Worthy of Respect

      It was wonderfully refreshing to read an article about Rafa Benitez in the national press this morning that, for once, refuses to jump on the bandwagon of condemnation that portrays the Liverpool manager`s tenure at Anfield as an unmitigated disaster. It was not.

      I have found it utterly depressing and frustrating that so many pundits have attempted to re-write history and engaged in a skewed analysis of a manager`s achievements at a club that, on a financial footing, had no divine right to be in the top four year after year - let alone going all the way to two Champions League finals, a Champions League trophy and taking Manchester United down to the wire for the Premier League title just over 12 months ago.

      Reading the opinion columns of the last 48 hours, you`d have been persuaded that Rafa Benitez has left behind him a Liverpool side bereft of talent, prospects or any value whatsoever. The fact that the Liverpool squad is worth considerably more than the one he inherited has been overlooked by the majority, while even his former employers would have to concede that the club that was valued at £80 million they have themselves just placed on the market at £500 million.

      Granted, Rafa may not have won over every heart and mind in the media – and maybe they might have taken to him more readily if he`d charmed them with an Irish wit, English passion or passed himself off as a canny Scot. Maybe if he`d got on with Sir Alex, the masses might have forgiven his cool Castillian exterior. They didn`t, nor did he go out of his way to entertain them.

      When Rafa took Liverpool to within a whisker of the title last season, they judged him on personality rather than points. He didn`t wear a tracksuit and he wasn`t one of the lads, but what he did do was win Liverpool a Champions League Trophy and keep the club competitive while the debts grew bigger than the transfer budget. And that`s a fact.

      Anyway,as you like to say, that was my rant. Here`s what Brian Reade put rather brilliantly in The Daily Mirror this morning - and I hope he does not mind me reproducing it in full, as it is well worth reading:

      "Right to the end the professional pundits failed to understand why so many Liverpudlians stayed loyal to Rafa Benitez.

      As 500 fans marched on Anfield after his departure, chanting the Spaniard`s name, heads shook at a footballing sub-species bracketed ­somewhere between romantic die-hards and mawkish morons.

      To the “expert” eye, these deluded fools had been conned by Benitez`s cunning and blinded to his failings by the glory of Istanbul and the ­criminal incompetence of the American owners.

      Liverpool fans they said, once among the most knowledgeable in the world, had clearly lost touch with the modern reality, and were now a sad throwback to the days when sideburned men kicked orange balls.

      Well, I`d argue one of the saddest aspects of modern ­football is too many pundits, including ex-players, have not paid to watch a game since those orange ball days. And they`ve lost touch with the fan.

      I`m not saying Benitez had to stay. The results and the football last year were shocking, he`s been a major player in Anfield`s destructive civil war, and the number of fans disillusioned with his style and methods was growing.

      But to paint his six-year reign as an unmitigated disaster, sustained only by the over-sentimentalising of Istanbul, is analysis at its most skewed and cringeful. By 2004 Liverpool had been relegated to the status of European also-rans. Benitez made the club a genuine world force again.

      It wasn`t just that 2005 ­Champions League win (which is shamelessly downplayed as a fluke despite beating Fabio Capello`s Juventus, Jose Mourinho`s Chelsea and Carlo Ancelotti`s AC Milan). Or reaching the 2007 Champions League final and the 2008 semi-final. It wasn`t even UEFA elevating Liverpool to Europe`s top-seeded club due to results under Benitez.

      It was beating Real Madrid and Inter Milan at the Bernabeu and San Siro (which the Reds had never before done) and Barcelona at the Nou Camp. Magical victories at the very top of world football, which restored long-overdue respect to Liverpudlian hearts.

      Ah say the experts, but he didn`t win the league. True. But he got closer than any Liverpool boss in the past 20 years. A season ago he was a whisker away, taking the highest number of points by a runner-up in a 38-game season and the club`s best points haul since 1988.

      And he did so despite having the 5th highest wage bill ­in the league, the 5th ­costliest squad, the 5th biggest stadium capacity and a net annual transfer spend of £15million. Which should have made experts ask why Liverpool were ever considered a nailed-on top four side under Benitez, especially when the boardroom was mired in anarchy.

      Ah, they say, but he`d long lost the players and the board. So why have Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Daniel Agger, Dirk Kuyt and Pepe Reina signed new long-term contracts within the past year? Why last August did managing director Christian Purslow do interviews purring over Benitez and how he was integral to the club`s future?


      Ah, the experts say, but that was before he let Xabi Alonso go, which everyone could see was a calamity. These would be the same experts who, for the previous couple of seasons, claimed Liverpool were a two-man team. With Alonso (on whom Benitez turned a £20million profit) never being mentioned as one of those two.

      Ah, they say, but Torres apart, he only signed sub-standard dross and ended up with a shockingly-weak squad. Really?

      Liverpool are sending 12 players (13 if you count Milan Jovanovic whose Bosman signing is going through) to the World Cup. Or an entire team: Reina, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Babel, Gerrard, Mascherano, Rodriguez, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Kyrgiakos, Jovanovic.

      Eleven Chelsea players flew out to South Africa, the same number as Arsenal, and Manchester United sent eight. Does that look like he`s left Anfield bare of talent?

      The truth is Benitez leaves a squad worth many times more than the one he inherited, despite spending less in the past three transfer windows than he`s brought in.

      I don`t seek to rewrite history or airbrush Benitez`s ­failings. I saw last year`s football and it stank. I felt the growing anger among players and fans at his bloody-mindedness and knew something had to give.

      Which is why it may be best for all concerned that he walks on. But now he has, let`s do him the honour of getting his legacy right.

      Rafa Benitez was many things at Liverpool but unlike every manager since Kenny Dalglish, he was not a failure. Indeed a majority of ­Liverpudlians will remember him as a legend.

      Because like Bill Shankly, on more days and nights than those expert pundits ever care to recall, he made the people happy."

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