Gerrard & Carra

We are not discussing one season here guys! im asking is it worth letting the pair of them go and cash in on them for the good of the team.
Ladyboy left manure and made rooney a better player,arsenal let henry,adebayour leave and the younger players have come into their own thats all.

cannot believe this topic hasn't been deleted.

To be honest, I'm bracing myself for Carragher's depature. It would be sad to see him leave after all this years and everything he's given to the club but I do not feel it would be a substantial loss. Especially if we brought in a new world class centre back.

Gerrard on the other hand - he's having a very poor season but I don't think we should be looking to ship him out.

Why would rafa want to sell Gerrard, one of only 4 world class players in our team?( Masch, Torres and Renia being the others) And how would this help the team? None of the money would go towards a replacement.

The answer is NO.

Perhaps if both leave, do we should play with no Englishman in the starting lineup?

We are not discussing one season here guys! im asking is it worth letting the pair of them go and cash in on them for the good of the team.
Ladyboy left manure and made rooney a better player,arsenal let henry,adebayour leave and the younger players have come into their own thats all.

And if Rafa would sell both of them for about 35 million, he would get 10 million or even less. What good would that do for the team?

Perhaps if both leave, do we should play with no Englishman in the starting lineup?

Well we have kelly,darby,spearing.

Well we have kelly,darby,spearing.

How often do you think Rafa will let them start ?

Perhaps if both leave, do we should play with no Englishman in the starting lineup?

Glen Johnson?

Although, England aren't exactly winning every tournament they're in. Just because we play in England doesn't mean they're necessarily the better players for us.

I think people are jumping too quickly on a bad run of form for Gerrard. We all know what type of player he is. And commitment wise, the whole team has looked a little desolate. Not just Stevie. 

Carragher's form however has been on a downward spiral. He is a monumental figure at the club and I would never question his commitment, but his form has been pretty bad. If he picks it up anytime soon then there's no doubt in my  mind he is still good enough to play for Liverpool.

Glen Johnson?

Although, England aren't exactly winning every tournament they're in. Just because we play in England doesn't mean they're necessarily the better players for us.

Sorry i forgot Johnson, your are right mate, but what i mean is: One Fifa law, which should be coming, I'm not sure with this but do that say that there must be a min. of players from the home country of the club?

We are not discussing one season here guys! im asking is it worth letting the pair of them go and cash in on them for the good of the team.
Ladyboy left manure and made rooney a better player,arsenal let henry,adebayour leave and the younger players have come into their own thats all.

its a valid question to be honest. everyone though henry was mr arsenal and they'd be nothing without him, but moving him on actually helped others develop and raise their game.

the problem is, arsenal have a healthy supply of young talent, a very astute manager who has the full backing of the board and non of the boardroom problems and off the field sh*t that they are putting up with. it was a perfect  platform for arsenal to develop.

as for manure, they already had a large squad and a world class player in rooney who could step up. not sure we lose torres and gerrad that we would have the replacements.

therein lies the problem.

Out of the two stevie would be the hardest to replace someone who at a split second could change a game as he has done over the years,while he is with us the harder its going to be to replace him and we could miss out on emerging talent.
I think you got the jist of what im saying OZI.

Out of the two stevie would be the hardest to replace someone who at a split second could change a game as he has done over the years,while he is with us the harder its going to be to replace him and we could miss out on emerging talent.
I think you got the jist of what im saying OZI.

i'm not dismissing it at all, as i said, i think its a perfectly valid point, stevie cannot be around forever and we need to think of the future.

i do think it would be wrong to move him on now, without the emerging talent to replace him, i don't think darby and spearing have what it takes to start every game YET!

the situation we are in now, we need a player like stevie, with leadership and the passion to get us through the hard times. i certainly dont think we should move him on because of one bad season.

in the long run, i completely agree that others need the platform to be developed.

I'd rather cut off my left bollock and sell it than have Stevie leave. Carra IMO is coming to his end, but not Stevie. He's still got at least 4 more years in him.

what these 2 need are... to be dropped for a game or 2.. that will give a kick up their arse..

but rafa needs to grow a pair to do that...

soccer is a business and basically players have a shelf life. think both these players are past there best. if they have nightmare seasons next season there asking price will drop dramatically. anyone can be traded in reality

I can't beleive this topic, if any players are to leave it has to be kuyt and maybe Lucas first before anyone else. Kuyt has had a good few years with us, but I think the opposition have worked him out and is not as effective anymore. His time has come to leave.

Kuyt has been in effective because he is being played out of position, as with Gerrard simple as, until the bigman realises this they all might as well be sold.

Perhaps if both leave, do we should play with no Englishman in the starting lineup?

It was done before - won the FA cup 24 years ago with no englishmen.... Some bl**dy good scots and a tasty welshmen though

soccer is a business and basically players have a shelf life. think both these players are past there best. if they have nightmare seasons next season there asking price will drop dramatically. anyone can be traded in reality

completely disagree wallbanger. soccer may be business to some, but to thousands and thousands of lfc fans, its much more than that. in fact, ask any passionate supporter about any club up and down the country, for them, its not business, its a passion and its a part of their history.

tom and d*ck may look at it as a business, but fans don't. precisely because of this, we need players like stevie. these type of players are becoming a rarer commodity.

Souness tried re-building, by selling legends. Look where it got us, we have still not recovered from the damage he did!

Stevie, No way he should be sold, just due to one bad season. Carra, is a different story though, he just doesn't have the legs, and is costing us regularly now. Either ease him out the first XI or sell him. Simple as.

Souness tried re-building, by selling legends. Look where it got us, we have still not recovered from the damage he did!

Exactly mate... and he be's in sky studios giving it large about how we should play and how this season disaster it has been for us..