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      Shakesy
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #23: Apr 30, 2010 03:22:52 am
      We get 90 mins to score away goal. Atletico get 120 minutes.

      Isn't that the way it should be looked at?


      That's it, perfectly! Couldn't have put it more clear myself.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #24: Apr 30, 2010 03:30:15 am
      Honestly I don't see the home first game as a disadvantage too much. I feel if the team is good enough, you'll get the result regardless. And if the teams are pretty close then it'll just be the case of a moment of magic. And the 'advantage' of having the second game at home is meant to be just that: an advantage, so why negate that by having what, as i think about more, a blatantly stupid rule that away goals still count in extra time. Especially when as I say again, we had a good goal ruled out last week. That extra time away goal felt like a kick in the nuts and then rubbing salt into the wound on my nuts.

      Oh, and sleep well mate ;)

      And ozgooner, did the mancs lose in regulation? Cos that's how I remember it! Not
      making excuses here, but I think it is a bit of an iffy rule that a team can potentially have another third of a match to score an away goal which can often be the difference.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #25: Apr 30, 2010 08:09:47 am
      It's done now, just let it go along with the rest of our season.................. :'(
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #26: Apr 30, 2010 08:58:50 am
      Reflecting on our exit from the Europa League, what are your opinions on this rule?

      Personally it is unfair on whoever has to play at home in the second leg. Take tonight as an example, we were beaten 1-0 when Atl were at home, so they come to anfield and are themselves beaten 1-0, all's fair and even. If we draw in extra time it should be a draw, we were not given an extra 30 minutes at Vicente Calderon Stadium to score an away goal. So basically, to win, we had to lead by 1 goal and they only had to draw.

      How's that fair?

      Also bear in mind that for every game except Unirea we played at home on the second leg, so we've always been disadvantaged if the game was to go into extra time.
      I agree with everything you said.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #27: Apr 30, 2010 09:52:23 am
      If it should be all fair, the extra time should be played somewhere else on neutral ground. That is not realistic though. So since we are going to get 30 more minutes in front of our home croud than atletico got (which is quite a big advantage, just look at the stats of teams general home/away form), then atletico should have some sort of compensation, which is the away goal rule. To me it seems fair enough, unfortunately we were on the wrong end of that rule yesterday. Just wish the governing bodies in football could agree on common rules.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #28: Apr 30, 2010 10:01:54 am
      I think if it's even after 90 minutes it should have gone to penalties.

      Still no point complaining because whats done is done.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #29: Apr 30, 2010 10:02:58 am
       While things did not do us any favours this time if we had not let them score we would probably not be having this debate.After winning the leg it was still a lousy way to go out.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #30: Apr 30, 2010 10:07:22 am
      I guess the extra time should apply over 90 minutes alone. It is not fair for the team playing the 2nd leg at home to have the away goals rule being stuck in their head when it enters extra time after the aggregate is equal after 90 minutes.

      As long as we were winning in extra time, we should have gone through.

      But then again, rules are rules, the team knows that and therefore should have prevented the goal from being conceded.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #31: Apr 30, 2010 10:49:55 am
      Just being a sore loser, but did Atletico fly or take the bus etc seems like we had the arse end of everything and they had advantage of everything
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #32: Apr 30, 2010 11:20:21 am
      It is not fair for the team playing the 2nd leg at home to have the away goals rule being stuck in their head when it enters extra time after the aggregate is equal after 90 minutes.

      And its not fair for the team playing the 2nd leg away to have a roaring kop against them for an extra 30 minutes. Im not sure if it evens out, but with these rules, both teams get an advantage. I agree that going to penalties right away would be more fair, but also a shame since overtime is exciting like hell. Even for neutral people watching.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #33: Apr 30, 2010 11:27:55 am
      Can't believe we are actually having debate on this topic , how many of us would turn down the second leg at home, the reason we're out is because we've got a defender who can't  defend at right back playing at left back ,end of .
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #34: Apr 30, 2010 11:41:16 am
      The unfairness is we have 90 minutes to score an away goal, they have 120. That's the disadvantage.

      It should not count as an away goal once you reach extra time.

      But hey, if it happened for us we wouldn't complain and say fair enough. So i'm not blaming the rules for our mind-lapse in defence.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #35: Apr 30, 2010 12:33:06 pm
      I had people all around me telling me that the away-goal doesnt count in extra time- So even after they scored i was waiting for Penalties-
      Bullshit
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #36: Apr 30, 2010 01:49:15 pm
      The unfairness is we have 90 minutes to score an away goal, they have 120. That's the disadvantage.

      But we have 120 minutes at home, while they only have 90. Thats a disadvantage for them. Home goals count less, but still count and they are easier to score than away goals.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #37: Apr 30, 2010 02:01:07 pm
      We are out end of but like many others i thought the away goal rule didn,t apply in extra time .
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #38: Apr 30, 2010 02:02:08 pm
      The fact of the matter is we are out of another competition. I agree with the away goals ruling, as it promotes attacking football from the away side and also rewards teams for attacking away from home, and that can only be good for the game. Remember the days when every away team would play for the 0-0 draw?. Wasn't nice to watch.

      Yes i agree, they had the extra 30 minutes to score a goal, but so did we get an extra 30 minutes, though i felt that we should have closed the game out in 90 minutes. I only saw the first half due to work commitments, but from what i saw, i expected us to do them over in normal time. What went wrong in the second half, i'll have to watch the rest of the game later.

      Congratulations to Athletico Madrid and Fulham. No hard feelings here.
      Shakesy
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #39: Apr 30, 2010 02:17:58 pm
      The fact of the matter is we are out of another competition. I agree with the away goals ruling, as it promotes attacking football from the away side and also rewards teams for attacking away from home, and that can only be good for the game. Remember the days when every away team would play for the 0-0 draw?. Wasn't nice to watch.

      Yes I agree, they had the extra 30 minutes to score a goal, but so did we get an extra 30 minutes, though I felt that we should have closed the game out in 90 minutes. I only saw the first half due to work commitments, but from what I saw, I expected us to do them over in normal time. What went wrong in the second half, I'll have to watch the rest of the game later.

      Congratulations to Athletico Madrid and Fulham. No hard feelings here.

      In which both teams scored and one was rewarded more than the other. It's simply not fair.

      I've no idea why everyone thinks playing at home second leg is a massive advantage, it's purely psychological and I'm sure lots of players are unaffected by playing in front of opposing supporters and putting up with a few boos and jeers. While this is a hypothetical advantage, receiving 120 mins to get an away goal instead of 90 is a cold, hard, blatent advantage.

      I was actually sitting in the stands not overly worried thinking, this rule is so obviously unfair that surely the away goal doesn't count in extra time. Then I saw how rushed the team had become and knew for a fact it did.

      No hard feelings to Athletico, but hard feelings to the rule makers.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #40: Apr 30, 2010 03:11:41 pm
      I agree. Goals scored by the away team in extra time should not count double in the event of a draw.
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      Reply #41: Apr 30, 2010 03:48:17 pm
      I was happy when Man U lost to away goals, not so happy now, what does it say about us?

      Having 30 extra min to score an away goal is clearly not fair.

      Another thing, they should put a ref outside that will watch replays of key moments in the game and tell the ref on the field what really happened. The away goal disallowed last week clearly cost us the final.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #42: Apr 30, 2010 03:57:15 pm
      In which both teams scored and one was rewarded more than the other. It's simply not fair.

      I've no idea why everyone thinks playing at home second leg is a massive advantage, it's purely psychological and I'm sure lots of players are unaffected by playing in front of opposing supporters and putting up with a few boos and jeers. While this is a hypothetical advantage, receiving 120 mins to get an away goal instead of 90 is a cold, hard, blatent advantage.

      I was actually sitting in the stands not overly worried thinking, this rule is so obviously unfair that surely the away goal doesn't count in extra time. Then I saw how rushed the team had become and knew for a fact it did.

      No hard feelings to Athletico, but hard feelings to the rule makers.

      Look at the stats mate, in every league, teams win more at home than away. Why do you think the bookmakers give so good odds on the away team? Look at our own home/away record this season, was it 4 month it took us to claim an away victory in 2010?

      As I said, I dont know if it adds up completely fair, but in extra time, we get the advantage of having the home crowd cheering for our players, while atletico got the advantage of their goals counting more. One advantage for each team. I cant see why that is so unfair?
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #43: Apr 30, 2010 04:01:47 pm
      Its a completely illogical rule. If UEFA thinks its fair then after the regular 5 pens,if both the teams are drawn,the away team be declared winners. After the regular playing time, the home and away rules should not come into the picture.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #44: Apr 30, 2010 07:44:28 pm
      Its a completely illogical rule. If UEFA thinks its fair then after the regular 5 pens,if both the teams are drawn,the away team be declared winners. After the regular playing time, the home and away rules should not come into the picture.

      Why not? Then the home team has an advantage, thats not fair for the away team.
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      Re: Extra time away goals
      Reply #45: Apr 30, 2010 07:54:51 pm
      But we have 120 minutes at home, while they only have 90. Thats a disadvantage for them. Home goals count less, but still count and they are easier to score than away goals.

      I agree with you mate, we both have an advantage and for me it evens itself out.

      We had 210 minutes of football to knock them out and we didnt, so for me, sadly, we only have ourself to blame.

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