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      Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread

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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9800: May 20, 2018 01:29:58 pm
      He has talked non stop about it for nearly 10 years. I would wager the majority of his posts are in this very thread.

      There is a difference in allowing debate and someone just relentlessly hammering the same point over and over.

      No one can post in this thread without him coming in to say he doesn’t rate Rafa, which we all already know.

      Imagine you broke up with a girl and then only spoke about her for the next 10 years...that’s what this fella is doing.
      If true, and I have no reason to doubt you, have to agree it is over the top...
      Maybe he feels that no one sees his points, or maybe he feel that Rafa gets too much praise for the little he has done...

      Maybe we need a tread where contributors can name the faults they see with past managers, but that would cause to much division here...
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9801: May 20, 2018 02:12:46 pm
      What are your feelings on Rafa?

      Someone says.. tell me about Rafa Benitez

      Go

      I'm bored with mentalist over the water

      What would you like to Hear...? His overly defensive style of football. The Fact that he sets up his teams with his first thoughts not to lose a game than how to win one, his treatment of players, Albert Riera, Ryan Babel,Yossi Benayoun, both on and off field... The Xabi Alonso/Gareth Barry... The fact that he cared more about winning the CL than the Premier League to the detriment of the Premier League title race... His buying Quantity over Quality, and Although not without some merit to his argument, but the way he would go public with his grievances about lack of financial back in the Transfer market in a effort to manipulate the supporters...The fact that it was all down hill trophy wise from the CL despite putting together some great teams... The fact that he rarely took the shackles off the team( In the way he had them play) unless he was desperate. And when he did they seemed unstoppable..

      In his favor he did put together some great teams, but due to his negativity they never won the trophies they deserved
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9802: May 20, 2018 03:10:11 pm
      if you Judge Rafa by his 6 years and compare the last 8 years then your going to have to be very harsh on Hodgson,Brendan and indeed Jürgen (although its about to change with Jürgen) because they didn't win anything .
      Rafa is the only Liverpool manager to win the European Cup in the last 33 years . yes he's feclin awful.
      I defend any Liverpool manager that has brought success to this club on another forum some idiot insited on calling Kenny "Dogleash" it drove me mad and got banned for my response to him.
      We should always look kindly upon the people who come here and then add a bit more  history to the club.

      Walt, like this post seems well balanced and thouthtout
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9803: May 20, 2018 03:22:30 pm
      Walt, like this post seems well balanced and thouthtout

      What would you like to Hear...? His overly defensive style of football. The Fact that he sets up his teams with his first thoughts not to lose a game than how to win one, his treatment of players, Albert Riera, Ryan Babel,Yossi Benayoun, both on and off field... The Xabi Alonso/Gareth Barry... The fact that he cared more about winning the CL than the Premier League to the detriment of the Premier League title race... His buying Quantity over Quality, and Although not without some merit to his argument, but the way he would go public with his grievances about lack of financial back in the Transfer market in a effort to manipulate the supporters...The fact that it was all down hill trophy wise from the CL despite putting together some great teams... The fact that he rarely took the shackles off the team( In the way he had them play) unless he was desperate. And when he did they seemed unstoppable..

      In his favor he did put together some great teams, but due to his negativity they never won the trophies they deserved


      Unlike this one 😂
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      Reply #9804: May 20, 2018 05:11:04 pm
      Mate... At least Walton acknowledges that not everyone sees things in the same light that he does and Rafa had flaws, and everyone is entitled to a view. You on the other hand gives the impression that your views, and the way you see things carries more weight than anyone else  :roll:
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      Reply #9805: May 20, 2018 06:23:52 pm
      Mate... At least Walton acknowledges that not everyone sees things in the same light that he does and Rafa had flaws, and everyone is entitled to a view. You on the other hand gives the impression that your views, and the way you see things carries more weight than anyone else  :roll:

      Nope. You're just illinformed and frankly and embarrassment 👍
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9806: May 20, 2018 07:41:10 pm
      Nope. You're just illinformed and frankly and embarrassment 👍
      So if I am ill-informed please tell me what is incorrect that I said about Rafa where it  is untrue...
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      Reply #9807: May 20, 2018 07:44:24 pm
      So if I am ill-informed please tell me what I said about Rafa which is untrue...

      Literally can't be arsed with you

      You don't get it..  that's clear

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      Reply #9808: May 20, 2018 07:46:25 pm
      Literally can't be arsed with you

      You don't get it..  that's clear
      sorry edited it to make it more clear
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      Reply #9809: May 20, 2018 07:47:28 pm

      Don't need to edit mine

      It stands
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9810: May 20, 2018 07:51:20 pm
      Literally can't be arsed with you

      You don't get it..  that's clear

      Can't be arsed or can't disproved what i stated...?

      What I liked about Walt's post was he was saying that he like Rafa  for what he achieved at the club, regardless of the mistakes he made and the things he done wrong...

      You come across like Rafa did no wrong...

      Reply if it suits you me, I'm done
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      Reply #9811: May 20, 2018 07:54:28 pm
      Can't be arsed or can't disproved what i stated...?

      What I liked about Walt's post was he was saying that he like Rafa  for what he achieved at the club, regardless of the mistakes he made and the things he done wrong...

      You come across like Rafa did no wrong...

      Reply if it suits you me, I'm done

      You don't get the club

      Can't be arsed with people who don't

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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9812: May 21, 2018 03:03:29 pm

      The man was put in charge here to win the EPL. He didn't do it. He hasn't done it since. He falls out with chairmen, directors, coaching staff, players, the lot, not just here, but practically every club he's ended up at.

      Don't forget to add he sold Robbie Keane after six months to the charge sheet too.

      When you talk about Rafa, you sound like an Evertonian talking about Liverpool FC!!

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      Reply #9813: May 21, 2018 03:16:58 pm
      Don't forget to add he sold Robbie Keane after six months to the charge sheet too.


      Ah is that the root of all this? Incredibly similar then to the zoomer that thinks Studge has been betrayed by the club....

      When you talk about Rafa, you sound like an Evertonian talking about Liverpool FC!!

      Morer bitterer HR 🙄
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      Reply #9814: May 21, 2018 09:30:54 pm
      Don't forget to add he sold Robbie Keane after six months to the charge sheet too.

      When you talk about Rafa, you sound like an Evertonian talking about Liverpool FC!!


      I find his posts feel a bit surreal kind of a parallel universe where winning the CL doesn't count because you failed to win the EPL
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      Reply #9815: May 21, 2018 09:34:16 pm
      I find his posts feel a bit surreal kind of a parallel universe where winning the CL doesn't count because you failed to win the EPL


      That ain’t the reason. If that was the case he would bang on the same way about every manager since the PL began.

      Nope - his issue is some weird, meaningless childless thing, like Rafa turning down a selfie or some other sh*t.
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9816: Jun 23, 2018 12:32:21 pm
      Quote from Kopite78
      You don't get the club

      You're just illinformed and frankly and embarrassment

      The only part he doesn't get, is saying that Keegan got Newcastle into the European Cup, when the UEFA Cup was as far as he got. The rest of his post hits the bullseye.

      Quote from Roddenberry
      No, it's just a tiny morsel of truth to cover up their big, damn lie. Be honest about why you have a vendetta against the man, tell us he shat in your coco pops, bent your favourite wookie or whatever, but stop trying to perpetuate the story only you believe.

      I don't try, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to his record at this club. I put up with it for long enough. I can write out a long long list of results that pised me off down the years. Most of it goes unchallenged by yourself and others on the other side of the discussion, as they know it's the truth. I can write out another list of results at his other clubs if necessary, that show what kind of coach he is, but I hope it isn't needed.

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      He has talked non stop about it for nearly 10 years. I would wager the majority of his posts are in this very thread.

      Compared to his last year in charge, when I really did berate him elsewhere on a daily basis, rest assured this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm just his most vocal critic in this thread, so the myth is I post here non stop, but the facts state that most of my posts on this forum are on other topics, on everything from Donald Trump to Jürgen Klopp.

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      Istanbul 2005

      Cardiff 2006

      Old Tafford 2009

      Earnest, gifted and more than anybody could reasonably expect  from what he had at LFC.

      He was here for 300 games. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more than 3 memories from the lot of them.

      I've never met him, so I have never commented on what kind of human being he is, his family, or what he does for the local community. I leave that business to him.

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      I defend any Liverpool manager that has brought success to this club.

      I would struggle to defend Houllier and Souness, despite what they brought us.

      Benitez was handed a top 4 side and the platform to go and win the EPL, and he failed. Klopp is here to qualify us for the top 4, which he has succeeded at, and anything more is seen by the owners anyway, as a bonus. And the quest to make it three in a row starts again soon.
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9817: Jun 23, 2018 12:36:45 pm
      Lol....

      Who let the pantomime villain out...
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      Reply #9818: Jun 23, 2018 12:40:48 pm
      The only part he doesn't get, is saying that Keegan got Newcastle into the European Cup, when the UEFA Cup was as far as he got. The rest of his post hits the bullseye.

      I don't try, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to his record at this club. I put up with it for long enough. I can write out a long long list of results that pised me off down the years. Most of it goes unchallenged by yourself and others on the other side of the discussion, as they know it's the truth. I can write out another list of results at his other clubs if necessary, that show what kind of coach he is, but I hope it isn't needed.

      Compared to his last year in charge, when I really did berate him elsewhere on a daily basis, rest assured this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm just his most vocal critic in this thread, so the myth is I post here non stop, but the facts state that most of my posts on this forum are on other topics, on everything from Donald Trump to Jürgen Klopp.

      He was here for 300 games. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more than 3 memories from the lot of them.

      I've never met him, so I have never commented on what kind of human being he is, his family, or what he does for the local community. I leave that business to him.

      I would struggle to defend Houllier and Souness, despite what they brought us.

      Benitez was handed a top 4 side and the platform to go and win the EPL, and he failed. Klopp is here to qualify us for the top 4, which he has succeeded at, and anything more is seen by the owners anyway, as a bonus. And the quest to make it three in a row starts again soon.

      Typical obsessed rubbish!!
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      Reply #9819: Jun 23, 2018 02:41:02 pm
      The only part he doesn't get, is saying that Keegan got Newcastle into the European Cup, when the UEFA Cup was as far as he got. The rest of his post hits the bullseye.

      I don't try, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to his record at this club. I put up with it for long enough. I can write out a long long list of results that pised me off down the years. Most of it goes unchallenged by yourself and others on the other side of the discussion, as they know it's the truth. I can write out another list of results at his other clubs if necessary, that show what kind of coach he is, but I hope it isn't needed.

      Compared to his last year in charge, when I really did berate him elsewhere on a daily basis, rest assured this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm just his most vocal critic in this thread, so the myth is I post here non stop, but the facts state that most of my posts on this forum are on other topics, on everything from Donald Trump to Jürgen Klopp.

      He was here for 300 games. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more than 3 memories from the lot of them.

      I've never met him, so I have never commented on what kind of human being he is, his family, or what he does for the local community. I leave that business to him.

      I would struggle to defend Houllier and Souness, despite what they brought us.

      Benitez was handed a top 4 side and the platform to go and win the EPL, and he failed. Klopp is here to qualify us for the top 4, which he has succeeded at, and anything more is seen by the owners anyway, as a bonus. And the quest to make it three in a row starts again soon.

      Wow, quoting those posts over a month after they were done. Obsession at its finest there and embarrassing yourself once again. You must be having a bad day.
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9820: Jun 27, 2018 10:57:04 pm
      jeez why the f**k is he still banging on about Rafa imagine what he would have been like between 1966/67 and 1972/73 when Shankly won nothing at all yet we know he was laying the foundation for the greatest period in the clubs history. 2006 Rafa won the Fa Cup only Kenny with the league Cup has come close in 2012 so what about all those years with no silverware do we just right them off as failures.
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      Reply #9821: Jun 28, 2018 05:04:46 pm
      It's not really comparing like with like tbh. Shanks can be grateful there was no internet back in those days, no social networks, and no 24/7 news coverage peppered with stats and comparisons. Kenny can also be grateful it wasn't around when he took the job in 85, as his first 6 months were mediocre, and he would have been written off in the press and phone ins. The run in led to the double, and that's what his first season in charge is remembered for. People remember him scoring the winner at Chelsea, less so the late equaliser and the resulting two points dropped at home  in the reverse fixture in November. It was 4 days after Molby running the length of the field to score against the mancs.

      Nowadays, a run of 2 games without a win here is a crisis, so waiting 7 years for someone to deliver silverware just isn't allowed to happen.
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9822: Aug 02, 2018 12:36:38 am
      Poor bugger certainly picks the clubs with f**king terrible owners doesn't he.

      Newcastle United: Rafa Benitez says pre-season defeat to Braga a 'wake up call'
      Newcastle manager Rafa Benitez says the club's fans "need to be concerned" after a 4-0 hammering at Braga.

      Goals from Ricadro Horta, Joao Novais, Fransergio and Dyego Sousa condemned the Magpies to a "worrying" defeat.

      "Things are not going well off the pitch and you can see a reflection of that on the pitch," admitted Benitez.

      Following the match in Portugal, Benitez said he had "no idea" about any potential new signings at the club ahead of the Premier League season.

      The former Liverpool manager said that he wants another three or four players in before the transfer deadline on 9 August.

      "We were poor and we made too many mistakes. We have to wake up - that's it," added the 58-year-old.

      "You see the teams that have been promoted, the money they are spending. Put it all together and you understand why the fans need to be concerned.

      "We are concerned.

      "Everyone in the dressing room was really upset with our performance and with how things are going, but we will try to change things in the next 10 days."

      The Magpies return to St James' Park on 4 August for their final pre-season game with Augsburg before opening their league campaign against Tottenham the following Saturday at home.
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9823: Aug 02, 2018 11:57:18 am
      Newcastle wrote LETTER to Spain offering them Rafael Benitez to manage at the World Cup

      https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/996801/Newcastle-letter-Rafael-Benitez-Spain-World-Cup

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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      Re: Rafael Benitez Discussion Thread
      Reply #9824: Aug 02, 2018 12:30:58 pm

      I don't see the funny side of a Spanish coach who's club would allow their manager to manage his national team if they were short of options ...

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