Gabriel Heinze (Manchester United)

don't think it'll happen, its mainly agent talk trying to force a move and extra cash for himself, plus i dont think Liverpool would want to drag it thorugh the high court which is where it'll prob end up

I really don't understand what the big deal is with Heinze i really don't, for the same money i would rather buy Leighton Baines or Cheillini, both younger and hungrier.

Rafa is obviously like any ABU. This is really getting up Taggarts nose and I am sure the whole board and every other club is enjoying watching the drunk old man boil! 

I think we need back up in central defence and at left back.  I think Heinze can fulfill either role.  I know we have a good defence but consider if either Carragher or Agger or both got injured we would in serious trouble.

I like the way Ferguson's statements have gone from 'He's not going to Liverpool' to 'Heinze should show his loyalty'.  Looks like he's realised the legal position is with us and he's getting desperate.

It would all be worth it if only to point out ot Man U fans that Heinze realises where the future lies!!

Heinze would be a great asset for us, at £6 millions it would money well spent. The fact that he is a mancs player at the minute is irrelevant really..so what..united won't release him to us because we are Liverpool?..that just show who is living in the past and who is looking forward.

 I think Heinze discovered that a team like Liverpool has soul, spirit and the greatest fan base, united a contrario looks like a business club runs as such..How many time l have you seen the glazers talking positively about their teams...never from my part all I heard is business business business. The kop, the Liverpool matches that he probably watched during the champions league campaign must have been a wake up call for him..Been a player of heart Liverpool is the perfect club for him.

Heinze is international and in the 11 of probably one the most attractive national side I have seen for years. There is no doubt that this is a player who is playing with his heart and I would welcome him with open arms if he come to us, you can be sure that when playing the mancs he will give 110% and prove his loyalty to us at every game.

i think it would b a gud choice but then again he is a scumbag player,dont think its guna happen

I think it would b a gud choice but then again he is a scumbag player,dont think its guna happen

Why wouldn't it happen?

The only stumbling block I can see is if Utd do have something written into his contract preventing him from joining us. We've confirmed we're interested & Heinze obviously wants to join us if he's taking Utd to court, so why not?

Why wouldn't it happen?

The only stumbling block I can see is if Utd do have something written into his contract preventing him from joining us. We've confirmed we're interested & Heinze obviously wants to join us if he's taking Utd to court, so why not?

you are absolutly right there Eddiec  why not? if the only reason for some of us is to say no is because he is a united player, i think it's childish.

Why wouldn't it happen?

The only stumbling block I can see is if Utd do have something written into his contract preventing him from joining us. We've confirmed we're interested & Heinze obviously wants to join us if he's taking Utd to court, so why not?

Ooo...  Didn't know Gab is taking Fergie to court!

Looks like an interesting one then, I don't think Heinze ever did anything to us for us to hate him, as a Man United player.

He's a good, agressive and strong Left Back, and I think we have missed the agression from the Left Back position for a while now.

I remember when he had that really bad knee injury i think it was a rupture acl or something,

I hope he comes to Liverpool just to spite assholes man utd.
He has experience and i hope when/if he comes he doesn't get injured again like that, if tha happens the assholes will laugh at us.   

From The Daily Mail:

Manchester United defender Gabriel Heinze will meet manager Sir Alex Ferguson on Monday and tell him he wants a move to Liverpool.

United are determined not to sell left back Heinze to their arch Premiership rivals, even though Liverpool have met a £6.8million price tag placed on him by Old Trafford chief executive David Gill.

Heinze's lawyers are threatening to take United to court to force through a sale and have also asked the Premier League to consider mediation.

Last night the Argentina defender expressed his frustration at being caught in the middle of a dispute which he feels has little to do with football.

Heinze, who has been on extended holiday after playing in the Copa America, said: 'This weekend I will travel back to England and, like a professional, I will go to work in Manchester on Monday. I have asked for a meeting with manager Sir Alex Ferguson on Monday about my future. I'm sure that this meeting will tell me what my future is.

'I know that the offer of Liverpool is a good one but Manchester United have rejected it for reasons that are really outside of normal sporting issues.

'I'm totally convinced that if this offer had been made by another club then Manchester United would have considered it. The rivalry between these two clubs is enormous and now I am at the centre of it.'

Heinze has two years left on his contract but his lawyers claim that a letter sent to them by Gill at the end of last season saying he could leave for a set fee should now stand as a legal document.

United have so far stood firm on the matter and are confident that any independent body would side with them.

Heinze's name was jeered by some supporters during the club's 3-2 defeat to Inter Milan in a friendly at Old Trafford on Wednesday but the player himself is not concerned.

Heinze added: 'I always was a serious and professional player and during this summer I have not changed.'

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Can't get much clearer than that, straight from the horses mouth.

From The Daily Mail:

Manchester United defender Gabriel Heinze will meet manager Sir Alex Ferguson on Monday and tell him he wants a move to Liverpool.

United are determined not to sell left back Heinze to their arch Premiership rivals, even though Liverpool have met a £6.8million price tag placed on him by Old Trafford chief executive David Gill.

Heinze's lawyers are threatening to take United to court to force through a sale and have also asked the Premier League to consider mediation.

Last night the Argentina defender expressed his frustration at being caught in the middle of a dispute which he feels has little to do with football.

Heinze, who has been on extended holiday after playing in the Copa America, said: 'This weekend I will travel back to England and, like a professional, I will go to work in Manchester on Monday. I have asked for a meeting with manager Sir Alex Ferguson on Monday about my future. I'm sure that this meeting will tell me what my future is.

'I know that the offer of Liverpool is a good one but Manchester United have rejected it for reasons that are really outside of normal sporting issues.

'I'm totally convinced that if this offer had been made by another club then Manchester United would have considered it. The rivalry between these two clubs is enormous and now I am at the centre of it.'

Heinze has two years left on his contract but his lawyers claim that a letter sent to them by Gill at the end of last season saying he could leave for a set fee should now stand as a legal document.

United have so far stood firm on the matter and are confident that any independent body would side with them.

Heinze's name was jeered by some supporters during the club's 3-2 defeat to Inter Milan in a friendly at Old Trafford on Wednesday but the player himself is not concerned.

Heinze added: 'I always was a serious and professional player and during this summer I have not changed.'

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Can't get much clearer than that, straight from the horses mouth.

This looks like a positive statement from Heinze and I hope we can get it sorted without much more bad blood around the whole situation.  I think given the chance to show his commitment he can bring a lot of to the Liverpool defence and provide more cover for  the weakened left back spot.

Andy

Two interesting articles, both from todays Guardian:

United broke their promise to me, Heinze tells Ferguson

Gabriel Heinze accused Manchester United of breaking a promise in his first face-to-face meeting with Sir Alex Ferguson since the player called in Liverpool's lawyers to help force a transfer from Old Trafford. The Argentinian reported for pre-season training yesterday, having had a delayed start because of his involvement in the Copa América, and went straight into talks with Ferguson in which accusations were made on both sides.
The talks are understood to have been fractious, with obvious bad feeling in both camps. Whether it will have any impact on Heinze's bid to leave remains to be seen but it seems highly improbable that, having gone against Ferguson in such a way, their relationship can be fully repaired. Heinze reiterated that he wants to leave, in the strongest possible terms, and said he is "very serious" about becoming the first footballer to move from Old Trafford to Anfield in four decades.

Ferguson expressed his disappointment but with 24 days to go before the transfer window closes, Heinze said he will continue with his legal fight and wants the transfer concluded as quickly as possible. He claims the blame lies with United, accusing them of reneging on a written agreement that he could leave in the summer.
Ferguson's next decision is whether Heinze should join his compatriot and new signing Carlos Tevez in one of two friendlies tomorrow night - United are sending a representative XI to Dunfermline and another to Glentoran in Belfast - but the indications from Old Trafford are that the left-back will probably not be involved. Ferguson is furious and there is also a great amount of anger about the role of the player's agent, Roberto Rodríguez.

The club will continue to shun Liverpool's approaches, pointing out that they have had a similar lack of cooperation when trying to sign players from Anfield in the past.

Heinze's state of mind appears to be one of defiance and it is a measure of how keen he is to sever ties that he is understood to have reported back to the Liverpool office of Hill Dickinson, which was appointed by him last month and specialises in legal matters on behalf of the Anfield club.

His solicitor, Richard Green, has also made a formal objection to the Premier League about United's refusal to do business when Liverpool lodged a £6.8m bid three weeks ago.

The player's advisers had been informed, via fax, that United would sell him for precisely that amount, but Liverpool's offer was dismissed out of hand because of the historic rivalry between the two clubs.

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Arbitration panel to decide Heinze's fate

Unsettled full-back Gabriel Heinze will take his dispute with Manchester United to a Premier League arbitration panel next week. A league spokesman has confirmed the Argentina defender has asked for a three-man panel to decide whether United gave him permission to leave the club for an agreed fee.
Heinze wants to join Liverpool and claims he has a letter from United allowing him to leave if any club offered a fee of £6.8m. However, United maintain that they made it abundantly clear to Heinze, both orally and in writing, that he would not be permitted to join one of their top-flight title rivals.

The three-man panel will be made up of a judge or lawyer, a Premier League representative and a third person experienced in football administration. The hearing will specifically deal with the dispute between Heinze, who has two years left on his current contract to run, and United. Liverpool will have no input at the arbitration panel. Such panels are reasonably common occurrences and can be called to settle disagreements as minor as a dispute over a fine.
Meanwhile, Heinze has promised to "carry on like a professional" after meeting the United manager Sir Alex Ferguson at the club's Carrington training ground yesterday to discuss his future. "I've fulfilled my duties by returning for training and I will now carry on like a professional," he said. "I will keep on coming to training and see what happens. I have a muscle injury in my leg but it is only minor and will not keep me out for long. I've spoken with the coach and I have insisted that my wish is to leave the club if a big offer appears on the table.

"Today the only such offer is from Liverpool and it is this that is causing the problem. Earlier in the summer I received a promise from United that I could leave if the deal was good for both parties and at the moment there is an offer from Liverpool."

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Seems like the guy's determined to play for us, fair play he's got good taste. A lot of people complain about players desire to play for this club, Heinze is showing desire in abundance. I feel we should forgive him for his bad choice in going to Utd & welcome him with open arms. He's a very good player, a different option from the left backs we currently have, can provide cover in central defence, and he really wants to play for this club. What more could we ask for?

Seems like the guy's determined to play for us, fair play he's got good taste. A lot of people complain about players desire to play for this club, Heinze is showing desire in abundance. I feel we should forgive him for his bad choice in going to Utd & welcome him with open arms. He's a very good player, a different option from the left backs we currently have, can provide cover in central defence, and he really wants to play for this club. What more could we ask for?

I agree he would be a perfect candidate for the left back role and the fact that United are kicking up a big fuss about it certainly proves that they realize how costly it would be to them if we sign him.

Let's hope we can get this sorted early in the season, who knows he may just be the key to our success this season.

In there shoes...!

Would you let a pool player go to them...No, Never...Feck off!

If we do get him...them fantastic...but I doubt  it.

In there shoes...!

Would you let a pool player go to them...No, Never...Feck off!

If we do get him...them fantastic...but I doubt  it.

Sorry mate but who are you telling to F off and why?

Also they could have had Bellemy or Morientes as far as i'm concerned!

Sorry mate but who are you telling to F off and why?

Also they could have had Bellemy or Morientes as far as I'm concerned!

I'm telling the Mancs to Feck off!

Why - well business shouldn't be done with them, when it's in there interest...!

But seeing as we are going to gain...if it happens...then great!

Let's just make sure he has a good old clean before wearing our shirt!

If we do get him...them fantastic...but I doubt  it.

I still can't understand why people are saying things like this. He'd have to be a tw*t of the highest order to go kicking off, taking the case to arbitration & threatening legal action, unless there actually was a release clause as he says.

Which is more likely, Heinze's got it wrong & there is no release clause, or Fergie knows he's screwed but is at least gonna make sure Heinze doesn't get to join us until the last minute?

I still can't understand why people are saying things like this. He'd have to be a tw*t of the highest order to go kicking off, taking the case to arbitration & threatening legal action, unless there actually was a release clause as he says.

Which is more likely, Heinze's got it wrong & there is no release clause, or Fergie knows he's screwed but is at least gonna make sure Heinze doesn't get join until the last minute?

You never signed a contract yourself Ed - you'd be amazed at the small print.

Think you're very naive to think...it's a clear cut, "i want to go to Liverpool, please sir can i go"..!

They don't want to sell him to us - and they must be confident in stopping us, by digging in there heels...and keep re-issuing the message "you'll not go to them".

As much as I hate them...I'd be doing exactly the same in there shoes...they are holidng out for a Juve, Real bid - and will except.

If I'm wrong - then I'll be happy

You never signed a contract yourself Ed - you'd be amazed at the small print.

I sign contracts every day, working in estate agency it comes with the territory.

I fully understand the concept of small print, however the fact that Heinze has consulted solicitors & is still taking the case to arbitration indicates that legally he is within his rights & Utd stopping him joining us would be restriction of movement which infringes employment laws.

As I said before which is more likely, Heinze & his legal team have got it wrong or Fergie is resigned to losing him but is just trying to drag it out for a while.

Ed - your putting forward the only two options there are?  It has to be one or the other and know-one has the answer.

Heinze has a release clause - £6.8m.  We know that.  But these contracts are as tight as Tony McCoys buttocks after the Grand National.

If there isn't a stipulation saying whom the clause applies too, I'd be very surprised.

I agree Eddie. There is no way Heinze's advisors would allow this to go this far if there wasn't an agreement to allow him to leave for a certain price.  It is more likely that Man Utd were going to let him go in the summer but didn't count on another English club(particularly us) making a move for him. Now Ferguson is back tracking which in my view shows that although Heinze is out of the picture at Man Utd they know he is a very good player and don't want him strengthening our squad. If it was a player Ferguson didn't rate then I don't think he would care if he signed for Liverpool but this is clearly not the case.

If there isn't a stipulation saying whom the clause applies too, I'd be very surprised.

And if there was I'd be very surprised that Heinze is still persuing it having taken legal advice.