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      Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Sep 18, 2010 09:56:45 am
      Fergie: Liverpool's problem was Rafa - not money or the board

      Sir Alex Ferguson says Rafa Benitez is to blame for Liverpool's current problems.

      Liverpool travel to arch rivals Manchester United tomorrow, with new boss Roy Hodgson having already admitted they have no chance of ending their 21-year wait for the title.

      And United boss Fergie, who clashed often with Benitez during the Spaniard's six-year spell at Anfield, said Liverpool were now paying the price for their former manager's poor judgment in the transfer market.

      While Benitez griped about not having enough money to spend, Ferguson says the figures showed the Spaniard could not blame his failings on a lack of funds or the turmoil surrounding Liverpool's ownership.

      "I don't know if Liverpool's current situation is anything to do with the financial position," said Fergie on the eve of tomorrow's Old Trafford clash.

      "In the last regime they spent a lot of money on players, far more than Manchester United did. They had a huge squad of players, so I don't know if the financial position is anything to do with it.

      "I really don't know because I'm not there. So I can't judge what the impact of these things is."

      Benitez spent £240m during his Liverpool reign and recouped £152m, with a net spend of £88m. Fergie's outlay on players during the same period was £223m, recouping £165m, with a net spend of £58m.

      Despite the fierce rivalry between United and Liverpool, Ferguson said he had always had respect for his Anfield counterparts - with the exception of Benitez, with whom he had an ongoing war of words.

      "I've never been personal," said Fergie. "You should examine him [Benitez] not me. I've always enjoyed a good relationship with Liverpool's managers.

      "Both clubs have always addressed the situation properly after games. That changed under the last regime, but it's not a big issue for me."

      Although United have lost early ground to leaders Chelsea in the title race, after throwing away winning positions against Fulham and Everton, Ferguson said Carlo Ancelotti's side had enjoyed an easy start to the season.

      Chelsea have played four of the Premier League's bottom five clubs in their opening fixtures and take on newly-promoted Blackpool tomorrow, when they will be expected to maintain their 100 per cent start.

      "Chelsea have certainly had a very easy, early start to the season, theres no doubt about that," said Fergie. "There are big games coming up, but theyve had a good start nonetheless.

      "You can only do what you can do with the games you've got. You've got to address them. Every game in the Premier League has its own complications, and how you address them the right way is how you get the results."



      http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-blames-Liverpool-s-decline-on-Rafa-Benitez-and-not-financial-problems-or-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillet-article582709.html#ixzz0zq2QQJ

      He plays dumb to the financial rape that's taking place at both clubs as he and his family have been very well looked after by the regime for towing the party line.

      Everything he stands for stinks. One horrible, horrible shithouse c**t, can't wait until the f**ker dies.

      To think some of our fans slagged off Rafa, one of the only managers in the Premier League to have the balls to stand up to the dirty F***ing champagne socialist tw*t.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #1: Sep 18, 2010 10:03:57 am
      Quote from: Whiskey Nosed T**t
      "I've never been personal," said Fergie. "You should examine him [Benitez] not me. I've always enjoyed a good relationship with Liverpool's managers."

      That's because hardly any of the other managers that have been with us during his tenure had pushed their lot for the title. United weren't exactly storming it when Houllier finished second and Arsenal won the league, so that's a load of sh*te. Ferguson got on with Rafa until we were looking handy for the title. Then it got sour. So examine that you alcoholic old c**t.

      It's an insult to both our fans and theirs these comments. He's disregarding the fact that both clubs are being torn apart. Disrespectful.
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      Reply #2: Sep 18, 2010 10:05:36 am
      To paraphrase Muse. . . Your time is running out. . .
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #3: Sep 18, 2010 10:07:28 am
      It's an insult to both our fans and theirs these comments. He's disregarding the fact that both clubs are being torn apart. Disrespectful.

      Wouldn't worry Joey, Fergie and his missus for that matter are getting paid handsomely by the Glazers to be disrespectful.
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      Reply #4: Sep 18, 2010 10:11:47 am
      The press love lending weight to that c**t's mind games - this is just further proof, if needed. Sadly there are Liverpool 'fans' out there who's only knowledge of the club comes via the media and they'll believe this sh*te.

      Benitez spent £240m during his Liverpool reign and recouped £152m, with a net spend of £88m. Fergie's outlay on players during the same period was £223m, recouping £165m, with a net spend of £58m.

      Take away the £80m the c**t got for Ronaldo (one F***ing player) and his 'net spend doesn't read quite the same. ...£223m spent - £85m recouped = net spend £138m. That's £138m spent to strengthen an already successful team; not £88m trying to build one.

      The good thing is: The Mirror and that drunken c**t Ferguson will only fool the idiots in our midst. ...cue the idiots.... ;D
      « Last Edit: Sep 18, 2010 10:18:11 am by bad boy bubby »
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      Reply #5: Sep 18, 2010 10:12:55 am
      Shows Rafa got to Ferguson.
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      Reply #6: Sep 18, 2010 10:21:46 am
      Can he really believe this attempt to gloss over both clubs dire financial situations will work. Both clubs risk being left behind by Chelski and Arsenal while at the same time passed by Citeh and Spurs. Spin it how you want whiskeynose. . At least we are starting to see the rewards of Rafa revamping our youth system. How will the Mancs deal with no longer having money to spend. Hell we all know are club is being raped but did the Mancs get a sniff of the Ronaldo money. . . Did they F**k
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      Reply #7: Sep 18, 2010 10:23:33 am
      Remove Alonso sale Rafa net spend 118 million.

      Remove Ronaldo sale Fergie net spend 138 million.

      As I said to Don in the is Roy the right man thread, remove the sales of Alonso and Ronaldo and Fergie outspent Rafa during that period.

      Fergie never had to rebuild a whole team in that time as he already had the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, Wes Brown, John Oshea, Darren Flethcher, Rooney joined 04 season I believe as did Vidic, who are all still there today.

      We have Gerrard and Carragher still at the club from all the players who were here when Rafa arrived.

      Fergie really is the matted hair that circles the arse hole of the North(Manchester)

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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #8: Sep 18, 2010 10:25:08 am
      Fergie: Liverpool's problem was Rafa - not money or the board
      "In the last regime they spent a lot of money on players, far more than Manchester United did. They had a huge squad of players, so I don't know if the financial position is anything to do with it.
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      Benitez spent £240m during his Liverpool reign and recouped £152m, with a net spend of £88m. Fergie's outlay on players during the same period was £223m, recouping £165m, with a net spend of £58m.

      Utter nonsense.

      In terms of total spending £17 million over five years is not "far more" - it works out to £3.4 million a year.
      The difference in net spend was £30 million, over five years, which initially seems like a lot, but when you consider that half of the money Utd recouped was a ridiculous fee for one player, the picture changes.  If you figured a fee of £50 million for Ronaldo (he is not better than Kaka!), there is no net-spend advantage.  Plus, United had out-spent Liverpool and everyone else for twenty years and so were starting from a much higher base in the first place and it is not a fair comparison.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #9: Sep 18, 2010 10:26:36 am
      Fergie really is the matted hair that circles the arse hole of the North(Manchester)

      RAOFL!
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      Reply #10: Sep 18, 2010 10:29:50 am
      Oh and another thing. . . Ask Kenny how well he got on with that ball bag when he was Liverpool manager. Whiskeynose is showing himself to be the master of lies and manipulation much like both clubs owners
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #11: Sep 18, 2010 10:49:32 am
      The pr*ck is still getting rattled by Rafa.
      The King is gone.....Long live the King. :P
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      Reply #12: Sep 18, 2010 11:20:30 am
      Fergies problem was that Rafa had us back up there, pure and simple. He didnt like it and the press didnt like it.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #13: Sep 18, 2010 11:28:24 am
      Yeah Fergie, and your problem is you're a bitter old man, who can't keep his big red nose out of anyone's business!!
      This is the man who actually praised the Glazer's!!
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      Reply #14: Sep 18, 2010 11:29:45 am
      You got thrashed 4-1 at your own backyard, get over it.
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      Reply #15: Sep 18, 2010 11:29:59 am
      Fergie refers to having good relationships with previous Liverpool managers, I can remember Kenny and Fergie not speaking for a long time  after Fergie bitterly commented on their defeat to Kenny's reds, Kenny simply treated Fergie with the contempt that arl Whiskey nosed c**t deserves and replied, I wouldn't listen too much to what he has to say, you'll get more sense out of her, referring to Kelly his newborn daughter.

      I'm beginning to wonder if this article has more to do with the facts that the recent news suggest The Glaziers have been charging MUFC interest. I mean lets be honest Fergie can't exactly condemn our Yanks, when he has sold his soul to the American dollar and prostituted himself to the Glaizers, he's there most famous cheer leader much to the disgust of most United fans.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #16: Sep 18, 2010 11:36:52 am
      To be fairly honest, 10% of me agrees with Old Whisky Nose, but 90%  of me still tells him to f*ck off. Yes Rafa did spend alot of wasted money on fringe players, but that's only the tip of the iceberg in regards to our financial position. Usual though, that old Govan Drunk slavering sh*te that he has the littlest of clues about.
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      Reply #17: Sep 18, 2010 11:53:35 am
      I'd be more worried if he was praising the manager because as Rafa said in the early days he was all about him till they started winning more and more games that is when Ferguson turned on him. It annoys me a lot that Ferguson praises Hodgson and is friends with him.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #18: Sep 18, 2010 12:09:53 pm
      Fergie: Liverpool's problem was Rafa - not money or the board

      Sir Alex Ferguson says Rafa Benitez is to blame for Liverpool's current problems.

      Liverpool travel to arch rivals Manchester United tomorrow, with new boss Roy Hodgson having already admitted they have no chance of ending their 21-year wait for the title.

      And United boss Fergie, who clashed often with Benitez during the Spaniard's six-year spell at Anfield, said Liverpool were now paying the price for their former manager's poor judgment in the transfer market.

      While Benitez griped about not having enough money to spend, Ferguson says the figures showed the Spaniard could not blame his failings on a lack of funds or the turmoil surrounding Liverpool's ownership.

      "I don't know if Liverpool's current situation is anything to do with the financial position," said Fergie on the eve of tomorrow's Old Trafford clash.

      "In the last regime they spent a lot of money on players, far more than Manchester United did. They had a huge squad of players, so I don't know if the financial position is anything to do with it.

      "I really don't know because I'm not there. So I can't judge what the impact of these things is."

      Benitez spent £240m during his Liverpool reign and recouped £152m, with a net spend of £88m. Fergie's outlay on players during the same period was £223m, recouping £165m, with a net spend of £58m.

      Despite the fierce rivalry between United and Liverpool, Ferguson said he had always had respect for his Anfield counterparts - with the exception of Benitez, with whom he had an ongoing war of words.

      "I've never been personal," said Fergie. "You should examine him [Benitez] not me. I've always enjoyed a good relationship with Liverpool's managers.

      "Both clubs have always addressed the situation properly after games. That changed under the last regime, but it's not a big issue for me."

      Although United have lost early ground to leaders Chelsea in the title race, after throwing away winning positions against Fulham and Everton, Ferguson said Carlo Ancelotti's side had enjoyed an easy start to the season.

      Chelsea have played four of the Premier League's bottom five clubs in their opening fixtures and take on newly-promoted Blackpool tomorrow, when they will be expected to maintain their 100 per cent start.

      "Chelsea have certainly had a very easy, early start to the season, theres no doubt about that," said Fergie. "There are big games coming up, but theyve had a good start nonetheless.

      "You can only do what you can do with the games you've got. You've got to address them. Every game in the Premier League has its own complications, and how you address them the right way is how you get the results."



      http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-blames-Liverpool-s-decline-on-Rafa-Benitez-and-not-financial-problems-or-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillet-article582709.html#ixzz0zq2QQJ

      He plays dumb to the financial rape that's taking place at both clubs as he and his family have been very well looked after by the regime for towing the party line.

      Everything he stands for stinks. One horrible, horrible shithouse c**t, can't wait until the f**ker dies.

      To think some of our fans slagged off Rafa, one of the only managers in the Premier League to have the balls to stand up to the dirty f**king champagne socialist tw*t.

      One thing we have in common with proper Manc-chester fans, is an utter contempt for this hore and dog turd of a "man". Miss Ferguscum deserves a painful and unpleasant death.

      What did he say to the Manc fans when the Glazers arrived? "If you don't like it, bugger off and support Chelsea". And now they cant even sell out the season ticket list.

      PS the "statistician" there needs to wake up and show some journalistic integrity. Ferguscum had an IMMENSELY expensive squad when Rafa arrived. And was spending 30m on many players AFTER THAT, rarely under 18m. Then massive wages ontop.

      But hell, with their kind, whats truth got to do with any of this?

      He's utter pondlife.

      PS I think its time we started having email campaigns to the TV and press regulators. In the past, you could pretty much peddle any lies and hate campaign. But sometimes, the media is getting caught out and getting a slap on the wrists, in matters which might surprise people.
      « Last Edit: Sep 18, 2010 12:20:10 pm by SaveLiverpoolFC »
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #19: Sep 18, 2010 12:15:24 pm
      Ya Fergie the Yanks aren't the problem even though they will bankrupt both clubs eventually but you will be dead of alcohol poisoning long before than so what does he give a sh*t.
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      Reply #20: Sep 18, 2010 12:41:28 pm
      what a c**t
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #21: Sep 18, 2010 01:30:40 pm
      Predictable. I was honestly going to post in the match thread yesterday saying 'be prepared for some Rafa bashing from Whiskey Nose'. I had to log off to go do some work but I knew Slur Alice wouldn't let me down.
      Not still bitter about the 4-1 mauling on your own turf are you?
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      Reply #22: Sep 18, 2010 01:36:14 pm
      More tripe coming from the tripeful alcoholic.
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      Reply #23: Sep 18, 2010 01:39:37 pm
      As I said I'm more concerned about his praise of Hodgson than his criticism of Rafa to be honest.
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      Reply #24: Sep 18, 2010 01:40:11 pm
      What a f*cking tool!!!!!!!!!!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #25: Sep 18, 2010 01:43:21 pm
      What is it with this tit & his bi*ch allardyce?

      Moaning bung taking assholes these two who by the look of thins work in tandem on all issues from bung taking to having a dig at rafa and having a dig at the club.

      Tick,tock.....You are well past your expiry date.
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      Reply #26: Sep 18, 2010 01:43:57 pm
      Ferguson is an idiot. Media are also stupid.

      You cannot compare Rafa's net spend in 6 years when Fergie has been in charge for 20+ years. What I mean is, Rafa came in 2004 and obviously had to shake up the squad whereas Ferguson had most of his crop of players before Rafa came, so obviously he was going to spend less in the same 6 years.

      It's also true Rafa did waste money on some players who turned out not good enough for the league but signing players, risks are always taken.

      Ferguson is just an old retard alcoholic man, so that's pretty understandable ;)
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      Reply #27: Sep 18, 2010 01:46:45 pm
      Someone take the bottle away from this maniac.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #28: Sep 18, 2010 02:11:11 pm
      Remove Alonso sale Rafa net spend 118 million.

      Remove Ronaldo sale Fergie net spend 138 million.






      Why???? Did those transfers not happen? You can't just include the transfers YOU want to include, in order to prove a point - it doesn't work!!! Ferguson is a tool but he's only stating facts. A more interesting stat would be to compare what rafa won in his first few years at LFC, to ferguson's first few years at Utd.........that's a better yadstick.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #29: Sep 18, 2010 02:19:56 pm
      F**k off. Towing the party line for your own selfish wants ($$$). The way he turns a blind eye to the circumstances that are rotting both clubs is shameful. It's too bad that people are just sheep and won't ever take the time to understand the facts.

      Just die already.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #30: Sep 18, 2010 02:22:25 pm
      Couldn't be arsed wasting a minute of my life reading that, so I wasted it writing this instead.
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      Reply #31: Sep 18, 2010 02:33:43 pm

      Why???? Did those transfers not happen? You can't just include the transfers YOU want to include, in order to prove a point - it doesn't work!!! Ferguson is a tool but he's only stating facts. A more interesting stat would be to compare what rafa won in his first few years at LFC, to ferguson's first few years at Utd.........that's a better yadstick.

      How about the 'Ferguson Out' banners and chants that were taking place after only three years in charge, but that's all forgotten about by this generation of septic fans and tv companies.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #32: Sep 18, 2010 03:36:17 pm
      Rafa definitely got to Fergie ! i'd just love it if Inter played Man utd this season and arsoled them !! job done !
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #33: Sep 18, 2010 03:45:56 pm
      Who gives a F**k what he says.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #34: Sep 18, 2010 03:52:10 pm
      Rafa was always on the fans side he just can't accept that, he is up with the brass. Nasty little man, why don't him and fat Sam go and line there pockets else where
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #35: Sep 18, 2010 03:56:23 pm
      F**k him who cares what the demented arl b***ard says, as long as he stays on course and takes him and the mancshite down the toilet, all's well with the world.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #36: Sep 18, 2010 05:25:09 pm
      What a dick!
      Was it also Rafas fault when we constantly beat Utd- on their own turf, cock!
      Why even say anything in the first place? Does he expect people to agree with him- or just increase the hatred for him!

      I hate how Rafa has become a scapegoat for last seasons failings- and all these fake figures in the papers, the idiots who dont know any better actually believe them and blame Rafa for everything, forgetting the glory he bought us!

      Whisky-nosed dickhead can go F**k himself- i hope we tw*t them tomorrow! Come on lads- shut him up!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #37: Sep 18, 2010 05:37:36 pm
      Ignore the daft c**t, hes just trying to deflect attention and questions away from why his side were comfortably held in midweek by Rangers, he knows he only has to mention Rafa to do so, and the gutter press grovel for more of it.
      Rafa really got to him.  Do one purple nose:tosser:
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #38: Sep 18, 2010 05:46:57 pm
       Don't worry about what the scum  say,He will be all over Roy if we beat them tomorrow ,  Tw*t

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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #39: Sep 18, 2010 07:36:58 pm
      Ferguson has far, far too much power in Sky's Premier League. He says something and the media re-print it as gospel. F***ing ridiculous.

      Rafa was spot on in that rant against him, he really is a cantankerous old c**t. Good to see that Rafa's still getting to him though.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #40: Sep 18, 2010 07:45:33 pm
      You're all just jealous that he's got a career in comedy lined up after his stint with management is done  :f_tongueincheek:
      :lmao:
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #41: Sep 18, 2010 08:03:18 pm
      What a pile of sh*t. The most worrying thing about this is Ferguson is only nice about teams that aren't a threat. We're no longer a threat. Hodgson doesn't worry Ferguson & the off the field sh*t, which admittedly both clubs are going through, is certainly, at present, crippling us more than them.

      And although Ferguson has never directly attacked Liverpool, or its managers, in the way Benitez did, which by the by wasn't a rant, it was a well thought out and thoroughly honest assessment of Ferguson's faults, Ferguson has let more than a few snide comments out in the past and no one, until Benitez, had ever really called him on it.

      It's a sad indictment on the stewardship of H & G, that we're no longer seen as at threat by the most successful manager of his generation, even if he is a two-faced tit of the highest order.
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      Reply #42: Sep 18, 2010 08:08:15 pm
      The way things are going for both clubs we maybe a threat to his Europa league qualification. ;D
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      Reply #43: Sep 18, 2010 08:09:29 pm
      Rafa's gone. Ferguson still irritated by him? Shows who got the better of whom in that battle.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #44: Sep 18, 2010 08:22:36 pm
      Rafa's gone. Ferguson still irritated by him? Shows who got the better of whom in that battle.

      Was it ever in doubt?  The cool, calm and collected señor or the whingeing, whining, whiskey-nosed senior.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #45: Sep 18, 2010 08:25:14 pm
      IRWT

      Why Inter will go further in the Champs league that Manure.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #46: Sep 18, 2010 08:27:44 pm
      FFS - a day earlier, the whiskey soaked septic c**t comes out and insists that his club didn't spend any money cos there wasn't any value in the market.

      A day later he comes out and spouts more sh*te to deflect attention away from their wanktwat owners who are even more toxic than ours.

      Who the F**k is he trying to kid, and why are people buying into his anal bile?
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #47: Sep 18, 2010 08:44:25 pm
      Why are we paying any attention to what this senile old c**t has to say?
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      Reply #48: Sep 18, 2010 08:59:06 pm

      Why???? Did those transfers not happen? You can't just include the transfers YOU want to include, in order to prove a point - it doesn't work!!!

      I wouldn't remove them, but I'd put in a more realistic figure for the Ronaldo sale, because it totally distorts the picture.  If Fergie didn't get that ridiculous £80 million fee for Ronaldo, if he got £50 million (a slightly more realistic price) he would have the same net spend as Rafa - with a better squad to begin with.
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      Reply #49: Sep 18, 2010 09:03:34 pm
      He's not only getting old he's getting senile along with his age, to have a pop at Rafa when he has gone is beyond the pale and Rafa's best response would be to ko out of the CL if they meet, one last thing if he added up all his mistakes in the buying market it would turn out more than Rafa has spent in total.
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      Reply #50: Sep 18, 2010 09:08:46 pm
      One thing we have in common with proper Manc-chester fans, is an utter contempt for this hore and dog turd of a "man". Miss Ferguscum deserves a painful and unpleasant death.

      What did he say to the Manc fans when the Glazers arrived? "If you don't like it, bugger off and support Chelsea". And now they cant even sell out the season ticket list.

      PS the "statistician" there needs to wake up and show some journalistic integrity. Ferguscum had an IMMENSELY expensive squad when Rafa arrived. And was spending 30m on many players AFTER THAT, rarely under 18m. Then massive wages ontop.

      But hell, with their kind, whats truth got to do with any of this?

      He's utter pondlife.

      PS I think its time we started having email campaigns to the TV and press regulators. In the past, you could pretty much peddle any lies and hate campaign. But sometimes, the media is getting caught out and getting a slap on the wrists, in matters which might surprise people.

      Just as someone a few months ago was kind enough to educate me re reasons for boycotting The Sun newspaper, can someone please educate me re hatred for Ferguson? I am fully aware of rivalry/hatred for Manure, but these posts suggest that Fergie has done something pretty nasty to "earn" the hatred and contempt ( including comments on him dying a slow painful death soon) of Fans. Appreciate any response that helps make me understand, cheers
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #51: Sep 18, 2010 09:18:39 pm
      He's not only getting old he's getting senile along with his age, to have a pop at Rafa when he has gone is beyond the pale and Rafa's best response would be to ko out of the CL if they meet, one last thing if he added up all his mistakes in the buying market it would turn out more than Rafa has spent in total.

      Don't forget that Fergie turned to Cantona only after failing in bids for David Hirst, Le Tissier and Brian Deane!  Jammy f**ker.
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      Reply #52: Sep 19, 2010 11:36:45 am
      One of rafas best qualities was getting the better of fergie and riling him up on several occasions.. Miss that now with Woy spooning fergie every night
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #53: Sep 19, 2010 12:33:51 pm
      It’s one thing Alex Ferguson misleading the press about the plight of Liverpool Football Club, quite another them lapping it up like suckling pups. Of course, not that you’d expect a lot more from the worst breed of hacks with their pre-set narrative.

      Blaming Rafa Benítez for the financial implosion rather than the Reds’ hated owners is a low blow, even by his standards in verbal scraps with the Spaniard.

      My new book – which looks in great detail at the correlation between spending and success in the Premier League era – heaps plenty of praise onto Ferguson, amongst others whom I wouldn’t invite to my fantasy dinner party. It heaps praise on him because, despite my known allegiances to Liverpool, the numbers from our research often speak for themselves.

      While I obviously provide extended analysis, it is done with my neutral hat firmly donned, as was the case with my co-authors, Graeme Riley and Gary Fulcher. We respect the research, not personal preferences. On top of this, esteemed writers and bloggers associated with all 43 clubs to play in the top flight between 1992 and 2010 were invited to study the data and provide their insight for their club’s section of the book.

      Crammed within “Pay As You Play” are many types of analysis, all based around the ‘true’ cost of teams and squads over the past 18 years. After all, this is a book based on the Transfer Price Index, which Graeme and I devised as a way of comparing on equal terms a transfer in 1993, for example, with one from 2007.

      Spending £10m at a time when it’s not a lot of money is different to spending £10m in an era when it is. Equally, spending £10m in a depressed market, when transfer fees are generally lower and few clubs are splashing the cash, means it is more, in real terms, than £10m spent in an inflated market, when everyone else is paying similar figures.

      Having first calculated ‘football inflation’ in the same way economists determine the Retail Price Index (except we used a ‘basket’ of every single footballer bought and sold each season, rather than grocery produce; although a few rotten eggs were still included), we could apply it to all manner of ideas and analyses far too numerous to detail here. Some of football’s most renowned thinkers (none of them Liverpool fans) have expressed their fascination with the project, so we feel we’re on the right track.

      An absolutely key finding – the one that tallied most closely with league success or failure – was the average cost of a club’s XI (with inflation taken into account) over the course of a season: for the purposes of the book, called its ‘£XI’.

      We did the same with squads (Sq£), and while that also plays a part, success or failure more often comes down to how much of a club’s purchased talent actually makes it onto the pitch throughout a campaign. (Either because money was badly spent on useless squad players, and/or because key signings were out injured.)

      In essence, it is the financial weight a club punches that season; and success can be rated ‘pound for pound’.

      And talking of weight, all managers had their figures presented first in their actual form, and then ‘weighted’ against the averages for the level of attainment they reached. We even managed to calculate the cost, in millions, of every point won, including the differences at various levels of the table. So it’s not the fashionable or most lauded managers who necessarily come out top.

      Now of course, not every eventuality can be taken into account, and we are not saying that other factors do not play a role; clearly they do. But most of these are also discussed in full in the book, in a way that can’t be done here. Age, tactics, motivation, crazy chairmen: these are not ignored.

      It’s fair to say that when managers buy players they often sell players at the same time. Gross spends are usually misleading, but even a net figure doesn’t explain the starting point; after all, Carlo Ancelotti hasn’t spent that much in comparison to Jose Mourinho because he inherited a side that was already a well-oiled machine, with a deep squad behind it, whereas managers have taken over at other clubs and been unable to see the deadwood for the dying trees.

      Some of the measures in “Pay As You Play” show that, on plenty of occasions, Alex Ferguson’s success was earned rather than bought. Other parts of the study highlight the inspired work of people like Sam Allardyce and "The Chosen One" at certain points during the past decade; real achievements in certain seasons given their budgets. As a Liverpool fan, I do not love these men. It’s not my life’s ambition to make them look good. But I’m happy to praise their work where praise is due, and to verify with fans of those clubs that the approach taken is fair.

      However, none of our research shows Rafa Benítez to be anything approaching the root of Liverpool’s financial problems in the past few years, in the manner Ferguson suggests. Indeed, it shows a job well done by the Spaniard, based not on my bias but on the cold hard facts. Benítez does not come out top in any of the numerous categories, but he is consistently one of the better performers.

      What the research does show – in crystal clear form – is that Liverpool were never more financially adrift of Manchester United in terms of £XI and Sq£ than during the past six years. Indeed, it clearly points to an expensive Liverpool team in the ‘90s performing well below expected levels, with the Reds growing increasingly poor in relation to other big clubs.

      In current prices, the Liverpool squad of the past couple of years did not cost much more than that from the early to mid-‘90s; and yet all big clubs have had a greater number of players in their squads since the turn of the millennium. Relatively speaking, therefore, it is far less expensive in its assemblage.

      Also, the ‘90s blessed the Reds with their best crop of youngsters (ditto United). And yet, despite these ‘free’ players, results remained below par. (Wages play a role too, and that is discussed in the book. However, we feel that, overall, the £XI is vital.)

      Roy Evans invested badly in several instances, and didn’t sign any outstanding players; but he did get the team playing some highly watchable football, and got within the ballpark of the title. The problem, as I clearly outlined in “Dynasty”, was Souness. Although a different, more scientific form of analysis is used for “Pay As You Play”, the result is the same. It all comes back to Souness.

      (It’s also true that Kenny Dalglish’s purchasing, post Hillsborough, was not up to his usual standards, and the squad was getting old. But that does not mean that Souness, when handed a fortune in today’s money, can be excused such awful use of it.)

      On the whole, with just a young few gems (Fowler, McManaman and Rob Jones), Souness bequeathed Evans a collection of expensive misfits, and the club have not recovered since. When Jamie Carragher recently said that it was Souness and not Ferguson who knocked the Reds of their ‘F***ing perch’, he could well have been quoting from “Dynasty”. This is now confirmed in “Pay As You Play”.

      Liverpool entered the Premier League era with a more expensive squad than any other club. Bear that in mind at all times. That’s where the money went.

      But recently, in real terms, the Reds have been cut well adrift of three über-squads (Chelsea, City and United), and even lag a long way behind Spurs.

      Despite a less expensive squad, United, in winning the inaugural Premier League title, fielded the most expensive XI on average; their £XI was £10m more than that of the Reds, in current prices. This is perhaps because by that stage Ferguson knew what he was doing in the transfer market, and with his team in general, and Souness didn’t.



      The cost of the £XIs of both clubs change positions over the coming years in terms of whose was more expensive, but 1997/98 is when a gap starts to emerge in United’s favour. Success in the Premier League and money from the Champions League led to increased investment by Ferguson in his team. By 2000, most of Liverpool’s serious money had been spent.

      The £XIs converge again around 2001, with United’s falling and Liverpool’s rising until they almost meet. What’s interesting is that this is the time when the Reds start to resemble a really good side again (winning the treble), and in 2002, with the gap still narrow, even finish above United in the league.

      But then United widen the gap in 2003, and win the title; Liverpool are now in decline, with Houllier having blown his transfer budget on a series of duds from the French league. In 2003/04 the clubs are again closely matched in terms of £XI, but neither team is performing as well as it has in the past couple of seasons, although United are a long way ahead of the Reds in league points.

      However, a real chasm then emerges. United absolutely blow Liverpool out of the water in terms of £XI and, to a slightly less dramatic degree, Sq£.

      The year? None other than 2004/05, Benítez’s first.

      Let’s be clear: pound for pound, Liverpool’s performance in 2008/09 was fairly incredible; one of the four best posted by the 36 top two sides in the past 18 years. (United and Arsenal, twice, complete the quartet; more on this, and the over-performance of other clubs in the book.) But of course, it wasn’t enough.

      It was the closest the Reds have got to United in the past eight years, and the closest to the eventual champions in the Premier League era. What’s interesting is that it was the closest to that point in time that the two teams had been in terms of £XI during Benítez’s reign. But the Reds’ £XI of £96m was still a long way behind United’s £158m. That season, pound for pound, Liverpool performed better; but United just had too many pounds (and, of course, prior experience; there’s more on what it costs to win a ‘first’ title in the book).

      And in terms of overall squad costs (Sq£), it’s a similar story. Liverpool’s collection of players were more expensive up until 1999. Since then, 2003 and 2004 are the only two occasions when the two have been remotely close, with United well ahead the rest of the time. If Benítez had wasted so much money, where did it go? – because the squad was not getting any more expensive. Yes, money was spent, but less than what was being recouped.



      And the bad news for Roy Hodgson is that the gap, which had narrowed slightly in 2008, is now widening again; United have invested more this summer than the Reds, who, on the whole, have lost more talent than they’ve gained.

      There’s a lot more of the good and bad of both clubs in the book, along with the successes and failures of the other 41 clubs in the Premier League up to the end of 2009/10. At the very least, we hope that it provides some food for thought, no matter who you support.






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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #54: Sep 19, 2010 01:05:38 pm
      Just as someone a few months ago was kind enough to educate me re reasons for boycotting The Sun newspaper, can someone please educate me re hatred for Ferguson? I am fully aware of rivalry/hatred for Manure, but these posts suggest that Fergie has done something pretty nasty to "earn" the hatred and contempt ( including comments on him dying a slow painful death soon) of Fans. Appreciate any response that helps make me understand, cheers


      Simple Ferguson absolutely hates us, he's a bully to the press if they print anything or show anything on tv he disagrees with, for instance when he his son/agent was caught doing dodgy deals on Panorama, Fergie went off on one and hasn't spoke to the BBC since.

      You only have to look at his behaviour on the touchline, the way he kicks off if decisions don't go Man U's way and has for the last 24 years wanted to usurp us as the most successful team in this country.

      There is also the fact that Bob Paisley's Reds once took apart Ferguson's Aberdeen in the opening rounds of the European Cup back in 81 where we twatted all round Pittodrie and he's pretty much hated us ever since and seeing as we've had to watch as he opens his mouth and tries to recreate history and unfortuantely for us the media just carry on showing his F***ing ranting as some sort of gospel.

      It isn't it's the pathetic rantings of a pissed up old fart and one of the reasons I loved having Rafa around the place was because he seemed to wind Fergie up even more, rather than kiss his arse as Roy has done on a few occasions.

      We are Liverpool and we will NEVER bow down to that c**t.

      Come On You Mighty F***ing Reds!!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #55: Sep 19, 2010 01:10:06 pm
      Not read all this posts on this thread, just the article.

      Just wanted to say he's a F***ing two faced c**t, a liar, and if ever one man didn't deserve a F***ing knighthood, it's this pr**k.

      Alcoholic tw*t.
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      Reply #56: Sep 19, 2010 01:16:57 pm
      Whay a w**ker, F**k off Fergie and keep your whisky nose out of our club
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #57: Sep 19, 2010 01:23:34 pm
      Stop sniffing the whiskey, cuntbag.
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      Reply #58: Sep 19, 2010 02:32:47 pm


      Simple Ferguson absolutely hates us, he's a bully to the press if they print anything or show anything on tv he disagrees with, for instance when he his son/agent was caught doing dodgy deals on Panorama, Fergie went off on one and hasn't spoke to the BBC since.

      You only have to look at his behaviour on the touchline, the way he kicks off if decisions don't go Man U's way and has for the last 24 years wanted to usurp us as the most successful team in this country.

      There is also the fact that Bob Paisley's Reds once took apart Ferguson's Aberdeen in the opening rounds of the European Cup back in 81 where we twatted all round Pittodrie and he's pretty much hated us ever since and seeing as we've had to watch as he opens his mouth and tries to recreate history and unfortuantely for us the media just carry on showing his f**king ranting as some sort of gospel.

      It isn't it's the pathetic rantings of a pissed up old fart and one of the reasons I loved having Rafa around the place was because he seemed to wind Fergie up even more, rather than kiss his arse as Roy has done on a few occasions.

      We are Liverpool and we will NEVER bow down to that c**t.

      Come On You Mighty F***ing Reds!!
      HUYTON RED, if I've done this correctly only you will get this response. If I'm wrong and eveyone get's this, I apologise in advance for clogging up the message thread or whatever it's called.
      Thank you HUYTON RED for educating me . I clearly understand why "we" should hate him, to date I've been very much in awe of the success he's brought to Manure, that is obviously now changed.  Last question, all these references to him being an alcoholic, true or just LFC fans taking the piss....again thanks for the note/education,cheers
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      Reply #59: Sep 19, 2010 04:26:58 pm
      Very much true
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #60: Sep 19, 2010 04:29:04 pm
      Rafa Responds:  SkySportsNews.com

      Benitez has now hit back with a statement on the official Inter Milan website: "I am honestly surprised that an experienced and important manager like him said these things and spoke so much about me, considering I've been in Italy for three months.

      "I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and they know the truth.

      "They also know it's easy to judge when you've been in power for 24 years."
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      Reply #61: Sep 19, 2010 04:32:18 pm
      Rafa Responds:  SkySportsNews.com

      Benitez has now hit back with a statement on the official Inter Milan website: "I am honestly surprised that an experienced and important manager like him said these things and spoke so much about me, considering I've been in Italy for three months.

      "I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and they know the truth.

      "They also know it's easy to judge when you've been in power for 24 years."


      Nice one Rafa. Done with minimum of fuss and a lot of style.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #62: Sep 19, 2010 05:00:38 pm
      Rafa Responds:  SkySportsNews.com

      Benitez has now hit back with a statement on the official Inter Milan website: "I am honestly surprised that an experienced and important manager like him said these things and spoke so much about me, considering I've been in Italy for three months.

      "I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and they know the truth.

      "They also know it's easy to judge when you've been in power for 24 years."


      Keep your special one.  Give us back the genuine one.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #63: Sep 19, 2010 05:03:56 pm
      Rafa Responds:  SkySportsNews.com

      Benitez has now hit back with a statement on the official Inter Milan website: "I am honestly surprised that an experienced and important manager like him said these things and spoke so much about me, considering I've been in Italy for three months.

      "I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and they know the truth.

      "They also know it's easy to judge when you've been in power for 24 years."


      Damn right we know the truth! YNWA Rafa, please come back!  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #64: Sep 19, 2010 09:01:44 pm
      Rafa Responds:  SkySportsNews.com

      Benitez has now hit back with a statement on the official Inter Milan website: "I am honestly surprised that an experienced and important manager like him said these things and spoke so much about me, considering I've been in Italy for three months.

      "I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and they know the truth.

      "They also know it's easy to judge when you've been in power for 24 years."


      Legend.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #65: Sep 19, 2010 09:03:37 pm
      Rafa Responds:  SkySportsNews.com

      Benitez has now hit back with a statement on the official Inter Milan website: "I am honestly surprised that an experienced and important manager like him said these things and spoke so much about me, considering I've been in Italy for three months.

      "I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and they know the truth.

      "They also know it's easy to judge when you've been in power for 24 years."


      Please come home Dad.  :f_wah: We all miss you.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #66: Sep 19, 2010 09:05:43 pm
      Rafa gives a typically gentlemanly response to a little terrier. Stil the classy Spaniard we know and love
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #67: Sep 19, 2010 09:26:51 pm
      I miss Rafa. Rafa Bashers should have their head up now that they have played in the hands of the owners and pushed Rafa out.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #68: Sep 19, 2010 09:30:14 pm
      Well on current form I wouldn't say it was Rafa that was the problem last season, the problem still appears to be there even with a change of manager, so I can only attribute that to the boardroom situation and lack of investment.

      So like Rafa said we know the truth regarding the situation.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #69: Sep 19, 2010 09:31:51 pm
      Well on current form I wouldn't say it was Rafa that was the problem last season, the problem still appears to be there even with a change of manager, so I can only attribute that to the boardroom situation and lack of investment.

      So like Rafa said we know the truth regarding the situation.

      Which is what a lot of us pro-Rafa lot were saying last season.

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      Reply #70: Sep 19, 2010 09:41:49 pm
      Which is what a lot of us pro-Rafa lot were saying last season.



      Aye we were, but it fell on deaf ears, some people demand success at all costs without even considering the consequences and the bigger picture.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #71: Sep 19, 2010 10:48:13 pm
      fergie is one of the vilest characters ive ever had the misfortune of having to listen. he's talking about net spend, did he add the fact that the only reason their looks smaller is because they sold a certain classless greasy piece of sh*t to real for 80 mil?

      he's just bitter because rafa didnt take any sh*t from him and ran him close for the league. he cant stand the fact that carra made an excellent point about fergie having sod all to do with knocking liverpool off their perch. he comes out with all these digs at rafa even after he's gone.

      listen to me fergie, it is widely acknowledged that u are one of the biggest c***s to ever have lived. get some class about and start acting your age u utter filth.

      rant over.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #72: Sep 20, 2010 12:31:28 am
      I miss Rafa. Rafa Bashers should have their head up now that they have played in the hands of the owners and pushed Rafa out.

      spot on
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #73: Sep 20, 2010 12:34:10 am
      Aye we were, but it fell on deaf ears, some people demand success at all costs without even considering the consequences and the bigger picture.

      Oh the F***ing irony!!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #74: Sep 20, 2010 03:36:07 am
      If not for all the c**k sucking referees bending their asses to give most of the favorable decisions to the old f**king senile c**t, his premier ship title hauls would probably have been half the number that he had won so far. Just look at his records in Europe, only 2 very lucky CL titles in 25 years because most of the European refs gave their two fingers to the f**kface c**t.   ;)
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #75: Sep 20, 2010 04:13:05 am
      I miss Rafa.... Rafa Rafa Benitez.

      If we end up worse than 7th place, I'm gonna start campaigning for the Return of Rafa!!!

      And Sir C*nt won't get to see his team win their 19th this year.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #76: Sep 20, 2010 05:05:04 am
      Nice one Rafa!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #77: Sep 20, 2010 08:51:04 am
      He definitely wants wishes he was still here!

      Well in Rafa!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #78: Sep 20, 2010 10:49:56 am
      Ferguson meant the problems LFC caused his own pile of sh*t was down to Rafa and not the wild spending of
      our corporate sodomites
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #79: Sep 20, 2010 10:53:50 am

      Wheres the irony mate ?

      I was as vocal in support of Rafa as any one.

      I don't demand success from Roy, infact I've lowered my expectations as I do not think he's the right calibre of manager to challenging for trophies regardless of the fact if he's backed financially in the market or not.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #80: Sep 20, 2010 04:22:41 pm
      That statement just proves what a complete w**ker Alex Ferguson is!!!!!!!!!!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #81: Sep 20, 2010 04:29:30 pm
      Wheres the irony mate ?

      I was as vocal in support of Rafa as any one.

      I don't demand success from Roy, infact I've lowered my expectations as I do not think he's the right calibre of manager to challenging for trophies regardless of the fact if he's backed financially in the market or not.

      I wasn't having a go, well not at you anyway soft lad!!

      I was pointing out the irony in the highlighted bit of your statement in relation to how the club is doing after the gobs***e minority got their way in the summer.

      I agree with everything you've said, just didn't explain it that well!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #82: Sep 20, 2010 04:35:46 pm
      the yanks get pushed out, club is sold to decent owners and rafa comes back.

      i would have multiples...oh yes i would...
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #83: Sep 20, 2010 08:47:40 pm
      Steve Clarridge and David "Kerb Crawler" Pleat have really been putting the boot into Rafa for LFC's current predicament on Radio Five's Monday Night Football Club.

      Apparently Rafa's "fixation" with Spanish players, his stifling of young local talent, his £300M+ spend and his 6 years in charge left us in this mess.

      Presenter and manc fan Mark Chapman did make the point that we were 3 points off winning the league 2 seasons ago, unfortunately Steve Clarridge really is a F***ing retarded never will be c**t and of course Pleat is standing up for his mate Hodgson.

      It's never ending.

      I do love this Stalinistic re-writing of our history.

      Hicks must be laughing his Yankee cock off!!
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      Reply #84: Sep 20, 2010 08:51:04 pm

      I wasn't having a go, well not at you anyway soft lad!!

      I was pointing out the irony in the highlighted bit of your statement in relation to how the club is doing after the gobs***e minority got their way in the summer.

      I agree with everything you've said, just didn't explain it that well!


      Ahh right no worries mate. :D
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #85: Sep 20, 2010 08:51:16 pm
      They can't leave Rafa alone, it is £300 million he spent is it, in 5 years time it will be £1 billion.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #86: Sep 20, 2010 08:55:31 pm
      They can't leave Rafa alone, it is £300 million he spent is it, in 5 years time it will be £1 billion.

      I know we've all said "He's gone get over it." But with cu*ts, no mark cu*ts at that, all sticking the boot in, you just can't leave it alone, it is doing my F***ing head in and still feel the need to defend the man.

      Seriously, was Rafa going round taking a sh*t in other managers teas or something at half time?
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #87: Sep 20, 2010 09:00:14 pm
      I know we've all said "He's gone get over it." But with cu*ts, no mark cu*ts at that, all sticking the boot in, you just can't leave it alone, it is doing my f**king head in and still feel the need to defend the man.

      Seriously, was Rafa going round taking a sh*t in other managers teas or something at half time?

      :lmao: If he was then well done! :D

      Can you imagine ol fergie taking a swigg out of his flask of whiskey and finding a gift from Rafa in there :laugh:
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      Reply #88: Sep 20, 2010 09:12:57 pm
      Steve Clarridge and David "Kerb Crawler" Pleat have really been putting the boot into Rafa for LFC's current predicament on Radio Five's Monday Night Football Club.

      Apparently Rafa's "fixation" with Spanish players, his stifling of young local talent, his £300M+ spend and his 6 years in charge left us in this mess.


      Would that be Alonso, Reina, Torres, Arbeloa, Riera Garcia, Morientes, Nunez.

      Yep they really got us in the sh*t.

      Around £60.8 million outlay and recouped around £50m of that out lay at present, with Torres and Reina worth around £70/80million

      Obviously they are talking sh*te.
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #89: Sep 20, 2010 09:20:48 pm
      when this b***ard dies, i certainly wont be moaning..
      F***ing hate this swine!
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      Re: Fergie: "Liverpool's problem was Rafa not Money or the Board"
      Reply #90: Sep 21, 2010 02:44:46 pm
      He's the Bible of the media so everything he said about us will be the headline. It's time you just shut the f**k up and try alcohol therapy.

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