NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

I just want to clarify around this 'investment' phrase. 

FSG haven't given the club £110M to build a new Main Stand.  They've loaned the club the money over 5 and a half years - and based on TV income it's pretty assured they will be getting it back.  The football club are going to be doing the 'investment' to the tune of around £20M a year.  £20M a year that won't be going towards on the field success for the next 5 and a half years.

Suggesting FSG are investing in things like the stadium is like saying HSBC are buying me a house.

Nail on the head JD been saying it for a while all they have done is lend themselves their own money its bizarre jow some cant see that .

Henry owns L.F.C, therefore loaning the club he owns means he's virtually given himself (the owner of the club) the loan.

That's what I think he means.

But it doesn't work that way. Too many people misunderstand the concept of ownership

But it doesn't work that way. Too many people misunderstand the concept of ownership

They do yeah


FSG are in that list 

They do yeah


FSG are in that list 

FSG are the property owners of LFC but it doesn't mean they are loaning themselves money

LFC is a subsidiary of FSG, meaning that it acts as an independent legal entity rather than a department or division in FSG. Majority of multinational companies operate the same way FSG does.

FSG are the property owners of LFC but it doesn't mean they are loaning themselves money

LFC is a subsidiary of FSG, meaning that it acts as an independent legal entity rather than a department or division in FSG. Majority of multinational companies operate the same way FSG does.

What I loved about this post was the romance of it

The constant mentions of football and taking me away from the thoughts of is now being simply a number.. A cold faced company..

Ah football football football

I love it

Thanks mate

I can't wait for the whole transformation.. New kit in a couple more years will be a pin stripped suit

What I loved about this post was the romance of it

The constant mentions of football and taking me away from the thoughts of is now being simply a number.. A cold faced company..

Ah football football football

I love it

Thanks mate

I can't wait for the whole transformation.. New kit in a couple more years will be a pin stripped suit

, I'm glad you liked it  

You know I'm just trying to dispel some misunderstanding and myths about how things operate. I care a lot about football and the well being of the club, but knowing this thread is about FSG and most posts are criticisms and conspiracy theories about how FSG are ''profiting from player sales'' and the way they operate off the pitch, I just wanted to share some knowledge and experience I have regarding ownership structure and finance.

Whether FSG are not backing Rodgers or restricting him with their policy is another debate, and I've said it again that sometimes FSG should take more of a gamble

FSG's Ian Graham in action....

I can't recall the last time I read such a huge amount of utter dogshit compressed into a couple of posts. A deranged socialist AmericanPlant, who clearly has no idea how the market economy works, delivers.

Shouldn't you be on RBSblues.com rather than a football site.

Nothing wrong with socialists, was good enough for Bill Shankly!!

The club is making plenty money to cover that though, we made £100mill in TV money last season just from domestic football.

This year will be more than that I expect due to champions league & europa games, and 2 good cup runs.

And additional sponsership money flowing from all directions, subway, dunkin donuts, addidas, warrier, NB, standard charter etc..

And to be fair to FSG they have done really well on business side of things, we just want that wee bit more on the footi side.

FSG are the property owners of LFC but it doesn't mean they are loaning themselves money

LFC is a subsidiary of FSG, meaning that it acts as an independent legal entity rather than a department or division in FSG.

Thanks for sharing that information mate.

So, how does that work in reality? No jargon; no management-speak and no trying to F***ing hoodwink people with bull-sh*t, double-speak'...

FSG, the business, [principal investors John W. Henry/Tom Werner] lend LFC, the subsidiary, "independent" business, [principal owners John W. Henry/Tom Werner ] X amount.

Then LFC, the independent business, use that money for capital investment, thereby increasing the value of that 'independent business' [principal owners John W. Henry/Tom Werner ] and they, LFC, [principal owners John W. Henry/Tom Werner] then, in turn...

Pay the loan back to FSG, the business, [principal investors John W. Henry/Tom Werner] but... they are not really lending themselves money because LFC is a subsidiary of FSG: would that be correct?

Such wonderful people; so altruistic and here was me thinking that they were merely carpet-bagging whores out to line their own pockets, without any financial risk to themselves or their investors.

How silly do I feel now?   

Thanks for sharing that information mate.

So, how does that work in reality? No jargon; no management-speak and no trying to f**king hoodwink people with bull-sh*t, double-speak'...

FSG, the business, [principal investors John W. Henry/Tom Werner] lend LFC, the subsidiary, "independent" business, [principal owners John W. Henry/Tom Werner ] X amount.

Then LFC, the independent business, use that money for capital investment, thereby increasing the value of that 'independent business' [principal owners John W. Henry/Tom Werner ] and they, LFC, [principal owners John W. Henry/Tom Werner] then, in turn...

Pay the loan back to FSG, the business, [principal investors John W. Henry/Tom Werner] but... they are not really lending themselves money because LFC is a subsidiary of FSG: would that be correct?

Such wonderful people; so altruistic and here was me thinking that they were merely carpet-bagging whores out to line their own pockets, without any financial risk to themselves or their investors.

How silly do I feel now?   

So basically, it's like I loan my kid $60 interest free to buy an x-box game, then he pays me back with money that I give him as part of his allowance?

Shouldn't you be on RBSblues.com rather than a football site.

Nothing wrong with socialists, was good enough for Bill Shankly!!

Who the hell is "phect"? Hwood/Swab setup another nic.
Funny thing is, many us football fans know alot more about business than the plants and the parrots.

By their "reasoning" Spain and Germany, the Bernebeu and Bayern Munich are obviously "hotbeds of Communism and Socialism".
Personally, I'd like to lock em in a room with Bill Shankly. I'm sure he'd have a good way of dealing with those who feel the need to sneer at Socialism on a Liverpool FOOTBALL CLUB forum.

So basically, it's like I loan my kid $60 interest free to buy an x-box game, then he pays me back with money that I give him as part of his allowance?

Basically you shouldn't be on a football forum. Because all you want to do is defend your fellow countrymen that cheat football fans. And I haven't read your question, because its usually full of hate filled drivel against football fans and football culture.

Shouldn't you be on RBSblues.com rather than a football site.

Nothing wrong with socialists, was good enough for Bill Shankly!!

Apparently he's a Lithuanian. Much of the country spends half the day glorifying nazism. And the same half harrassing its Russian citizens (who were born there) or fitting them up for crimes. Some of them even have the urge to lock people up for even using the word Socialism. Which is quite staggering bearing in mind that without Socialism, the whole country would have nothing more than 3 sheep and a bucket.

 I'd really love to know where their (cough) great knowledge of Liverpool Football Club comes from.

Basically you shouldn't be on a football forum. Because all you want to do is defend your fellow countrymen that cheat football fans. And I haven't read your question, because its usually full of hate filled drivel against football fans and football culture.

 

Bloody hell mate.

He has just as much right of be in here as anyone else.

Even more so as he posts about actual football once in a while.

Bloody hell mate.

He has just as much right of be in here as anyone else.

Even more so as he posts about actual football once in a while.

Does he? So why doesn't he exercise his so called "right" to do something other than justify the ripping off of football fans?

Has he ever watched a football match?

PS topic of debate "NESV". Nothing to do with football. Because they hate football.

Basically you shouldn't be on a football forum. Because all you want to do is defend your fellow countrymen that cheat football fans.

Listen you little toad, I have nothing in common with nor do I care for anything that comes out of Boston, especially those bleach skinned smugglers that are FSG. If you are going to exist on this forum, the least that you could do is at least try to appear intelligent. I couldn't care less whether they kick rocks out of the club tomorrow.

And I haven't read your question, because its usually full of hate filled drivel against football fans and football culture.

You have a lot of nerve leveling the term "hate filled drivel" at anyone as that's all you seem to know how to do. And what a surprise you haven't "read my question". It's obvious by your posts that you don't do much reading of anything. Either on here or anywhere else.

Does he? So why doesn't he exercise his so called "right" to do something other than justify the ripping off of football fans?

Pretty sure he hasn't tried to justify everything FSG have done.

Has he ever watched a football match?

I'd hazard a guess that, yes, FL has watched at least one football match in his entire life. Hence why he logs on here to chat football almost every day.

PS topic of debate "NESV". Nothing to do with football. Because they hate football.

I know exactly which topic it is.

Your laptop only let you post in this one?

I see that the Pernicious Weed has posted more on Phect than he has on his supposed facts and revelations that were coming last week. This H&G puppet certainly over promises and under delivers.  And attacking someone, a good red, because he comes from the same country as the owners just make him lower than a snakes belly. 

I see that the Pernicious Weed has posted more on Phect than he has on his supposed facts and revelations that were coming last week. This H&G puppet certainly over promises and under delivers.  And attacking someone, a good red, because he comes from the same country as the owners just make him lower than a snakes belly. 

His credible source is a third rate blogspot, you just couldn't make this sh*t up.

His credible source is a third rate blogspot, you just couldn't make this sh*t up.

I know, it's a step up from Duncan Oldham though, which was my 2nd guess after being H&G's little bi*ch boy.  What are the odds he is the third rate blogger or at least associated with the site?

I know, it's a step up from Duncan Oldham though, which was my 2nd guess after being H&G's little bi*ch boy.  What are the odds he is the third rate blogger or at least associated with the site?

Duncan Oldham, there's a name I haven't heard in a while. Is that fat c**t still in business dealing with his "haters"?

I know, it's a step up from Duncan Oldham though, which was my 2nd guess after being H&G's little bi*ch boy.  What are the odds he is the third rate blogger or at least associated with the site?

In actuality the guy writing the blog seems to know his stuff....its just our own little plant does not know how to read.

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Liverpool