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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Reply #24180: Jan 30, 2018 01:16:25 pm
      Was on that The Debate with Craig Bellamy and some North East journalist last night, is it lifted from that or a column that he has, as only seen last 10 minutes of the programme.

      Intreview with Sky according to the article..

      This is the article mate..

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5329317/Liverpool-slammed-former-chief-selling-Coutinho.html
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      Reply #24181: Feb 19, 2018 08:13:06 pm
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      Reply #24182: Feb 19, 2018 08:44:49 pm
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      Reply #24183: Feb 19, 2018 08:55:27 pm
      Really pleased for them

      👍 😐

      They seem to want to outspend for the baseball team...just not the football team.
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      Reply #24184: Feb 19, 2018 09:03:53 pm
      Its no surprise, the baseball team is their priority, we're more of a business venture.
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      Reply #24185: Feb 19, 2018 11:04:33 pm
      Its no surprise, the baseball team is their priority, we're more of a business venture.

      Bit of a stretch to say that.

      More profitable and less stressful ways to make money.
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      Reply #24186: Feb 19, 2018 11:16:38 pm
      Red Sox just signed a guy who can hit the ball,5 years 20 million a year.They are always up there on wages Yanks,Dodgers,Red Sox,detroit i think,don't really care about baseball.And it's pretty irrelevant to liverpool fc.
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      Reply #24187: Feb 20, 2018 12:28:53 am
      Red Sox just signed a guy who can hit the ball,5 years 20 million a year.They are always up there on wages Yanks,Dodgers,Red Sox,detroit i think,don't really care about baseball.And it's pretty irrelevant to liverpool fc.

      Why is it irrelevant? If they will break the bank for the baseball team why not for the football club?
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      Reply #24188: Feb 20, 2018 12:39:45 am
      Anyone know the big dollar numbers regarding FSG? I know they're a private company and all that but it's amazing how little info there is for a group that has a considerable media presence in New England (NESN, Boston Globe) and own two of the biggest sporting names in the world.

      It'd also be interesting to know how much of Liverpool FC's valuation rise is down to them and how much of it is down to the rise in tv money seen since they took over.
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      Reply #24189: Feb 20, 2018 12:23:24 pm
      Bit of a stretch to say that.

      More profitable and less stressful ways to make money.

      im no baseball expert but we are liverpool FC. They could make stupid money if we are on top again. they just need to invest more and then let JK do the rest. Look at city.
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      Reply #24190: Feb 20, 2018 12:29:54 pm
      Why is it irrelevant? If they will break the bank for the baseball team why not for the football club?

      i honestly dont have anything against the owners but i feel they could do more. we have been steadying the ship for a long time now. Think its time for them to sell the club. so we can have owners, who can fight for the best players against the likes of psg and city. City has done great, not only have they good squad but they have a rilliant infrastructure around the club and a great backbone.

      Back in 2007 time, i was romantisizing the game. I wanted us to win without spending and throwing money but does it really matter. The game has changed and uefa and fifa has done nothing. We deserve to win trophies.
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      Reply #24191: Feb 20, 2018 01:12:37 pm
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      Reply #24192: Feb 20, 2018 01:16:55 pm
      Bit of a stretch to say that.

      More profitable and less stressful ways to make money.

      Not to mention the fact that Mike Gordon, a shareholder for FSG is their football guy and does not concern himself with the Redsox.
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      Reply #24193: Feb 20, 2018 01:27:22 pm
      Not to mention the fact that Mike Gordon, a shareholder for FSG is their football guy and does not concern himself with the Redsox.

      Some might say he doesn't concern himself with LFC either ;D
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      Reply #24194: Feb 20, 2018 01:32:50 pm
      Anyone know the big dollar numbers regarding FSG? I know they're a private company and all that but it's amazing how little info there is for a group that has a considerable media presence in New England (NESN, Boston Globe) and own two of the biggest sporting names in the world.

      It'd also be interesting to know how much of Liverpool FC's valuation rise is down to them and how much of it is down to the rise in tv money seen since they took over.

      I haven’t checked their financial statements but as far as I know (from mates in financial business in the US) their numbers are solid and their business model is pretty good.

      TV money doesn’t really increase the value of the club, but what it does it increases our revenues. When you look at valuation firstly you have to take into account company assets (stadium, shops, training complexes,etc...) tangible assets that generate value and income to the club. The new 50m training complex that will finish next year & the prospect of increasing Anfield capacity will add more value. Second, you look at debts and if your debts are generating positive income then this add to your valuation, unless your debts are causing financial distress (that what happened with G&H). So basically if the club looks good and healthy financially then the value will be good. I would say the owners have done a pretty good job since 2010 in that front and massively restructured Liverpool. Our numbers look good.
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      Reply #24195: Feb 20, 2018 01:35:18 pm
      Some might say he doesn't concern himself with LFC either ;D

      Mike? Naaah ;D

      I don’t think Henry is into LFC at all, but Mike is. He’s more of a private person though that’s why we don’t see him talking to the media as much as the other two, who are silent partners when it comes to LFC.
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      Reply #24196: Feb 20, 2018 02:15:25 pm
      I'm fed-up with ... "we're nearly there but not there yet". We need an owner that has passion and foresight and long term goals for the club and FSG is certainly not in that bracket. 6 years and going into 7 they're simply happy that we're the top 4 but certainly not willing to spend big to push us over the finishing line. For some reasons and perhaps due to Klopp's and Buvac's brillance that we win something big they'll come out and tell everyone, see I told you our model is working, yes it worked but after 8 long years, the earliest.
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      Reply #24197: Feb 20, 2018 05:12:35 pm
      Why is it irrelevant? If they will break the bank for the baseball team why not for the football club?
       

      They're not breaking the bank though.I can't be arsed with the money sh*te but because they own one business in one market it doesn't mean they have to spend the same amount in another.If they owned a fast food franchise or a cinema chain instead of the redsox would it be an issue?That's why i don't give a f**k about the red sox,same as i don't give as f**k about his car racing team.I don't think they're out to f**k Liverpool over like hicks and gilette were.
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      Reply #24198: Feb 20, 2018 05:45:50 pm
      I'm fed-up with ... "we're nearly there but not there yet". We need an owner that has passion and foresight and long term goals for the club and FSG is certainly not in that bracket. 6 years and going into 7 they're simply happy that we're the top 4 but certainly not willing to spend big to push us over the finishing line. For some reasons and perhaps due to Klopp's and Buvac's brillance that we win something big they'll come out and tell everyone, see I told you our model is working, yes it worked but after 8 long years, the earliest.

      So if we do win the Champions League this year, it won't count for anything?

      Now THAT is a tough critic.
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      Reply #24199: Feb 20, 2018 05:48:34 pm
      I'm fed-up with ... "we're nearly there but not there yet". We need an owner that has passion and foresight and long term goals for the club and FSG is certainly not in that bracket. 6 years and going into 7 they're simply happy that we're the top 4 but certainly not willing to spend big to push us over the finishing line. For some reasons and perhaps due to Klopp's and Buvac's brillance that we win something big they'll come out and tell everyone, see I told you our model is working, yes it worked but after 8 long years, the earliest.

      Spend big??

      FSG are not willing to spend at all.
      JWH stated as much as an add on to an earlier statement as he stood on the pitch at Anfield; "we are going to make LFC great again, bring back the glory days" he rambled.

      A short time later he amended the statement informing that FSG would not be putting any funds into the club and LFC would generate it's own revenue.
       
      In terms of commitment and Redsox have been mentioned, FSG have spent mult-millions getting them to where they are now, that is commitment.
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      Reply #24200: Feb 20, 2018 06:25:23 pm
       

      .I don't think they're out to f**k Liverpool over like hicks and gilette were.

      Whilst that is true... Is that all we should judge things by?

      They aren't as bad as Hicks and Gillette so sound
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      Reply #24201: Feb 20, 2018 06:36:16 pm
       

      They're not breaking the bank though.I can't be arsed with the money sh*te but because they own one business in one market it doesn't mean they have to spend the same amount in another.If they owned a fast food franchise or a cinema chain instead of the redsox would it be an issue?That's why i don't give a f**k about the red sox,same as i don't give as f**k about his car racing team.I don't think they're out to f**k Liverpool over like hicks and gilette were.

      Of course they are breaking the bank (or intending to). Read their own words. They don't come out and say (or show) that they want to be the most competitive with Liverpool, even though in both arenas, it takes money to compete. You absolutely should care if you are objectively looking at how their actions show that they value the entities they own, LFC being one of those entities.
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      Reply #24202: Feb 20, 2018 06:36:51 pm
      Whilst that is true... Is that all we should judge things by?

      They aren't as bad as Hicks and Gillette so sound

      I know.

      Well doctor says I have Herpes...but hey, at least it's not AIDS!!!

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      Reply #24203: Feb 20, 2018 06:55:58 pm
      Of course they are breaking the bank (or intending to). Read their own words. They don't come out and say (or show) that they want to be the most competitive with Liverpool, even though in both arenas, it takes money to compete. You absolutely should care if you are objectively looking at how their actions show that they value the entities they own, LFC being one of those entities.
       

      They are operating within the MLB salary caps etc as far as i know.If you've got such a f**king problem with them i look forward to your demo down at Fort Meyers,first preseason game for the Sox is coming up soon.
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      Reply #24204: Feb 20, 2018 07:03:29 pm
      Whilst that is true... Is that all we should judge things by?

      They aren't as bad as Hicks and Gillette so sound
       

      Give me something concrete then? new stand built,anny road is a goer as well,no? The training facilities are getting upgraded and put under one roof,we got the boss we want,the players keep getting upgraded.We all want the f**king cups inc John Henry.Just how are they f**king over Liverpool?
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      Reply #24205: Feb 20, 2018 07:16:29 pm
       

      Give me something concrete then? new stand built,anny road is a goer as well,no? The training facilities are getting upgraded and put under one roof,we got the boss we want,the players keep getting upgraded.We all want the f**king cups inc John Henry.Just how are they f**king over Liverpool?

      Hang on

      That's not what I or you said

       :-\
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      Reply #24206: Feb 20, 2018 09:02:51 pm
       

      They are operating within the MLB salary caps etc as far as i know.If you've got such a f**king problem with them i look forward to your demo down at Fort Meyers,first preseason game for the Sox is coming up soon.
      It’s Ft. Myers chief and get over yourself.
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      Reply #24207: Feb 20, 2018 11:36:58 pm
      Between the major networks here in the states, along with the gate and concessions from 82 Home games per year with sellout crowds I don’t think dipping into their own wallets is required to spend the league maximum on the Red Sox.

      Also add in that they own their own broadcast vehicle that earns them money from every household that the cable companies subscribe to.

      These households don’t even need to watch NESN.  FSG gets a cut from every household that NESN is available to be broadcast in. 

      When we see the Red Sox handing out huge contracts every LFC supporter immediately thinks “We’ll where is the money for our club?”

      It’s not that simple.  The Red Sox earn their own money.  Just like LFC does.  That is what is spent.  Pretty simple.

      The MLB salary restrictions does help them financially in some regard. 

      Yes they can go over it but, then they have to pay an overage tax to the league and it is distributed to all of the other teams that meet the minimum spend but not to the teams that meet the maximum spend.

      By the way, being from the New York area, I don’t like the Red Sox.  My favorite Red Sox player ever is Bill Buckner.
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      Reply #24208: Feb 21, 2018 12:13:42 am
      im no baseball expert but we are liverpool FC.

      That we are.

      they just need to invest more and then let JK do the rest. Look at city.

      If only it were that simple.

      Seems almost dumb to not do it, right? Pump money in and watch the returns flow back in to their pockets.
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      Reply #24209: Feb 21, 2018 09:20:48 am
      That we are.

      If only it were that simple.

      Seems almost dumb to not do it, right? Pump money in and watch the returns flow back in to their pockets.

      I really need to explain myself better in my posts. what i meant is that we are Liverpool, a big team playing in the most popular league in the world. There is no doubt that football is more popular then baseball in the world.
      So us being Liverpool can earn alot of money for the owners, everybody knows about us. if you went to Africa or india, you will probably see some people with our kit.

      Before the city takeover, there wasnt a huge fanbase outside UK for city but then they started splashing money to buy and win things. Got the players and competed in the best league every year. Some of the new generation outside uk got more exposure to city, some youngsters wanted to play like Aguero etc. SO what im saying is that their customer base grew. We have been out from the CL and that costs us. There can be a next suarez sitting in uruguay playing as City on fifa rather then us.

      It all depends on what the owners really want, do they want us to be on top and best in England, then they have to splash the money into club. compete for the best players, nowdays since we dont compete for the league then we need to attract players with high wages. so when we are steady and competing again then we can stop throwing money.

      Before the city takeover, every player out there would have chosen Arsenal or us over City, but now if all the teams offered the same package to player x. The chances are that he will choose city over us and Arsenal. That would have been unthinkabale before the city takeover.

      I dont know how to excute the plan in details and im not proud to say lets throw around money but unfortnately this is football now. all im trying to say is we need a bit ecnomical boost to catch up the best in the league. The books will probably be in red for years, but when we are doing well on the pitch and winning trophies and get exposure etc. then the owners can make us profitable.
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