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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      stuey
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24210: Feb 21, 2018 11:59:05 am
      i honestly dont have anything against the owners but i feel they could do more. we have been steadying the ship for a long time now. Think its time for them to sell the club. so we can have owners, who can fight for the best players against the likes of psg and city. City has done great, not only have they good squad but they have a rilliant infrastructure around the club and a great backbone.

      Back in 2007 time, i was romantisizing the game. I wanted us to win without spending and throwing money but does it really matter. The game has changed and uefa and fifa has done nothing. We deserve to win trophies.

      Indeed.
      The business ethic of feeding an investment, which LFC most definitely is, has been conveniently ignored by JWH&Co.
      While they contemplate a holding that is buoyant and requires virtually zero input the owners will be more than happy to take a very healthy premium for all concerned, be that directors, shareholders and sponsors etc.

      All benefiting from the brand and reputation of LFC, a status that has been nurtured and constructed for over a century is now regarded as merely a money pig by those with no sense of history or tradition.
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      Reply #24211: Feb 21, 2018 12:49:43 pm
       

      Give me something concrete then? new stand built,anny road is a goer as well,no? The training facilities are getting upgraded and put under one roof,we got the boss we want,the players keep getting upgraded.We all want the f**king cups inc John Henry.Just how are they f**king over Liverpool?

      New stand will pay for itself in very short order, anny road only talk at present and I guess that until a design which can pay for itself quickly is established then that is where it will stay. As regards the training facilities I'm sure that Melwood has a significant value in terms of housing development and looking further ahead running one facility will obviously cost less than two, so again I suspect from a financial point of view it will pay for itself quickly. Only recently could it be deemed that players have been upgraded, the poor transfers in and overall net spend have been discussed elsewhere but I don't at present see any significant new pot of money being put into player acquisition.
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      Reply #24212: Feb 21, 2018 01:24:56 pm

      When we see the Red Sox handing out huge contracts every LFC supporter immediately thinks “We’ll where is the money for our club?”

      It’s not that simple.  The Red Sox earn their own money.  Just like LFC does.  That is what is spent.  Pretty simple.


      Your comparison does not withstand scrutiny - "Red Sox hand out huge contracts, Red Sox earn their own money".
      By your own admission LFC also earn their own money, LFC do not spend big.

      For some reason a number of posters find that discrepancy  acceptable. 



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      Reply #24213: Feb 21, 2018 03:43:27 pm
      Your comparison does not withstand scrutiny - "Red Sox hand out huge contracts, Red Sox earn their own money".
      By your own admission LFC also earn their own money, LFC do not spend big.

      For some reason a number of posters find that discrepancy  acceptable.
      Think the point he's making is that Red Sox generate a lot more than Liverpool and can therefore spend a lot bigger.
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      Reply #24214: Feb 21, 2018 04:10:50 pm
      Think the point he's making is that Red Sox generate a lot more than Liverpool and can therefore spend a lot bigger.

      Do you have any back up for the assertion?
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      Reply #24215: Feb 21, 2018 04:33:47 pm
      Think the point he's making is that Red Sox generate a lot more than Liverpool and can therefore spend a lot bigger.

      I thought it said the revenues for both teams was more or less the same?
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      Reply #24216: Feb 21, 2018 05:05:13 pm
      I thought it said the revenues for both teams was more or less the same?

      more or less, Red Sox. 301m from 2016 LFC accounts compared to $434m (around 312 pounds?) redsox account.

      EDITED: MY BAD DUDES, I THOUGHT IT WAS 523M BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE A MERE 434M. FSG = PLEBS.

      But then again you really can't compare football with baseball. You don't have transfer fees between clubs in baseball hence why baseball players get high wage contracts of 25m per year or whatever.

      Your comparison does not withstand scrutiny - "Red Sox hand out huge contracts, Red Sox earn their own money".
      By your own admission LFC also earn their own money, LFC do not spend big.

      For some reason a number of posters find that discrepancy  acceptable. 





      ????

      How is that a discrepancy? He makes a valid point and you can't compare between American baseball and European Football. apples and oranges.
      « Last Edit: Feb 21, 2018 05:17:21 pm by Arab Scouse »
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      Reply #24217: Feb 21, 2018 05:09:01 pm
      It’s Ft. Myers chief and get over yourself.
       

      Good one chief,now go correct every spelling mistake on a footy forum. :tosser:
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      Reply #24218: Feb 21, 2018 05:18:39 pm
      Hang on

      That's not what I or you said

       :-\
       

      I wasn't talking to anyone in particular.The point i was trying to make if people are gonna get up in arms about how sh*t the owners are,they've gotta have something better than not spunking enough millions of $$ on players,no? I joined SOS when h and g was kicking off.If there are people that think things are so bad now,give me something and i'm in.otherwise just sit back and enjoy the f**king footy we're playing at the moment.
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      Reply #24219: Feb 21, 2018 06:09:41 pm


      How is that a discrepancy? He makes a valid point and you can't compare between American baseball and European Football. apples and oranges.

      The discrepancy is in the statements regarding Red Sox "earning their own money" and spending huge amounts while LFC also "earn their own money" but are not allowed to spend huge amounts.

      No matter how the ball bounces Red Sox are getting a better deal.
      « Last Edit: Feb 21, 2018 06:24:42 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #24220: Feb 21, 2018 06:13:56 pm
      Your comparison does not withstand scrutiny - "Red Sox hand out huge contracts, Red Sox earn their own money".
      By your own admission LFC also earn their own money, LFC do not spend big.

      For some reason a number of posters find that discrepancy  acceptable. 





      Not to mention that.......how can we be spending WHAT we generate if we’re breaking even in transfers.........

      FSG are brilliant at business right.......so brilliant we can’t be making any money from any of the triumphant partnerships / sponsorships they’ve brokered if we only spend what we earn.......

      Can’t have it both ways.....
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      Reply #24221: Feb 21, 2018 07:52:34 pm
      Before the city takeover, there wasnt a huge fanbase outside UK for city

      Don't worry there isn't a massive fanbase inside the UK for city either, hence all the jokes about the emptyhad!! :laugh:

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      Reply #24222: Feb 22, 2018 01:55:29 am
      Don't worry there isn't a massive fanbase inside the UK for city either, hence all the jokes about the emptyhad!! :laugh:



      Haha a hollow post mate.
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      Reply #24223: Feb 22, 2018 02:51:15 am
      I really need to explain myself better in my posts. what i meant is that we are Liverpool, a big team playing in the most popular league in the world. There is no doubt that football is more popular then baseball in the world.
      So us being Liverpool can earn alot of money for the owners, everybody knows about us. if you went to Africa or india, you will probably see some people with our kit.

      Find the Red Sox.

      Then look for Liverpool.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/07/12/full-list-the-worlds-50-most-valuable-sports-teams-2017/#59c9eea84a05

      Football is more popular, and Liverpool FC has a far greater global reach than the Red Sox, but research in to the fundamentals and fan mechanics of both sports and the economies in which they exist.

      The hardest part for any sporting organisation is building a bridge that connects their fans to the club and heightening the fan's sense of engagement to a strong enough level for the club to be able to capitalise on it and convert the fan in to a consumer. That's where the real money and economic boost you want to occur comes from. From there, clubs can boost sponsorship, ticketing and merchandise to a level where it offsets a lot of their operating expenditure (players, staff, etc).

      In part, that is the reason why the Red Sox will be ahead of us for a while. The Americans are far more advanced than the rest of the world when it comes to fan/consumer conversion and we're all playing catch up by copying what they do.
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      Reply #24224: Feb 22, 2018 09:14:39 am
      We have 19 home league games in the Prem season.  Add in after bouncing out of domestic cups a maximum of what 23/25 Home matches.

      Ticket prices far less than what they charge at Fenway Park.  And that is a minimum of 82 games.  All sold out.  And that is before the playoffs. 

      If the Red Sox make it to the ALCS. That’s another three games and ticket prices double.

      If they make it to the World Series that is again another at least 2 possibility of 4 home games with even more elevated ticket prices.

      That is potentially 90 Home games.  And yes they are all sold out.

      90 vs a potential 23? With ticket prices higher for baseball?

      Just do the math.
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      Reply #24225: Feb 22, 2018 12:06:53 pm
      The discrepancy is in the statements regarding Red Sox "earning their own money" and spending huge amounts while LFC also "earn their own money" but are not allowed to spend huge amounts.

      No matter how the ball bounces Red Sox are getting a better deal.

      Explain how are they getting a better deal when American sports are completely different to European Football?

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      Reply #24226: Feb 22, 2018 12:09:29 pm
      We have 19 home league games in the Prem season.  Add in after bouncing out of domestic cups a maximum of what 23/25 Home matches.

      Ticket prices far less than what they charge at Fenway Park.  And that is a minimum of 82 games.  All sold out.  And that is before the playoffs. 

      If the Red Sox make it to the ALCS. That’s another three games and ticket prices double.

      If they make it to the World Series that is again another at least 2 possibility of 4 home games with even more elevated ticket prices.

      That is potentially 90 Home games.  And yes they are all sold out.

      90 vs a potential 23? With ticket prices higher for baseball?

      Just do the math.

      You neglect to mention global fan bases and how many millions follow LFC, domestic stats are just part of a world-wide commercial enterprise that includes royalties and club memorabilia.
      Just do the all embracing maths and not a specific part of the equation.
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      Reply #24227: Feb 22, 2018 12:13:47 pm
      Explain how are they getting a better deal when American sports are completely different to European Football?


      It appears you go out of your way to misinterpret my comment for reasons best known to yourself.
      One more time and read it carefully:
      In your own words - Red Sox earn their own money and spend huge amounts.
      LFC earn their own money but do not spend huge amounts.


      As previously stated it makes no odds what shape the ball is or how it bounces that right there is a discrepancy, by definition and fact.
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      Reply #24228: Feb 22, 2018 12:18:25 pm
      It appears you go out of your way to misinterpret my comment for reasons best known to yourself.


      If I misinterpreted them please let me know how I did so I can understand your point of view even more.
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      Reply #24229: Feb 22, 2018 12:28:00 pm
      If I misinterpreted them please let me know how I did so I can understand your point of view even more.

      See below.
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      Reply #24230: Feb 22, 2018 12:46:03 pm
      Spend big??

      FSG are not willing to spend at all.
      JWH stated as much as an add on to an earlier statement as he stood on the pitch at Anfield; "we are going to make LFC great again, bring back the glory days" he rambled.

      A short time later he amended the statement informing that FSG would not be putting any funds into the club and LFC would generate it's own revenue.
       
      In terms of commitment and Redsox have been mentioned, FSG have spent mult-millions getting them to where they are now, that is commitment.


      8 long years, haven't they made enough out of the club? I hope that they go back to baseball full time soon. Football is no place for them. Don't they have no shame financing a baseball team at the expense of an iconic football club???
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      Reply #24231: Feb 22, 2018 12:55:22 pm
      8 long years, haven't they made enough out of the club? I hope that they go back to baseball full time soon. Football is no place for them. Don't they have no shame financing a baseball team at the expense of an iconic football club???

      They will sell up eventually, that transaction will take place when the profit margin on their £300m investment, now worth in the region of £1bn, reaches what JWH&Co consider suitable reward for doing f**k all.
      Good work if you can get it.
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      Reply #24232: Feb 22, 2018 01:41:14 pm
      They will sell up eventually, that transaction will take place when the profit margin on their £300m investment, now worth in the region of £1bn, reaches what JWH&Co consider suitable reward for doing f**k all.
      Good work if you can get it.

      I never know where I stand with FSG.

      On one hand - they saved us from the brink and built the new stand. Lets not  forget where we were. Hodgson, Konchesky, Poulsen, etc

      On the other hand - they promised us the world and we have one small trophy to show for it.  Our net spend is also nowhere near competing with the big guns and we have constantly sold our top players.
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      Reply #24233: Feb 22, 2018 02:03:01 pm
      I never know where I stand with FSG.

      On one hand - they saved us from the brink .


      And happened to buy us at a knockdown price, let's not forget!!
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      Reply #24234: Feb 22, 2018 08:13:36 pm

      And happened to buy us at a knockdown price, let's not forget!!


      They absolutely stole this Club, the equivalent of finding a genuine Rolex in a pound shop.
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      Reply #24235: Feb 22, 2018 08:28:54 pm
      They absolutely stole this Club, the equivalent of finding a genuine Rolex in a pound shop.


      Maybe, but I don’t seem to remember investors queuing up to buy the club at the time.
      We are making steady progress without tearing up any trees, but be careful what you wish for.
      The other mans grass......
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      Reply #24236: Feb 23, 2018 07:06:53 pm

      Maybe, but I don’t seem to remember investors queuing up to buy the club at the time.
      We are making steady progress without tearing up any trees, but be careful what you wish for.
      The other mans grass......

      I wouldn't know who was interested or not to be honest. It's quite clear to see they are slowly building us up to sell us on at a hefty profit.

      I hope it's sooner rather than later.

      The gap widens.
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      Reply #24237: Feb 25, 2018 11:09:03 am
      I know some people still don't get it but we don't have to spend "big", only when the need may arise, would you swap our left back for any other at the moment? (8m), Trent cost f*ck all and neither did Matip so no it's not essential to be buying each player for 50m plus. Still people can't wait for FSG to sell up??? Be very careful what you wish for, I mean who cares how much they bought the club for and what price they may sell at? I mean really? We all wanted CL football, got it and looking likely for next season, team improving all the time. Yes trophies are what count and they will come.
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      Reply #24238: Feb 25, 2018 11:38:11 am

      And happened to buy us at a knockdown price, let's not forget!!


      Right now they could almost quadruple their original investment - their refusal to sell after 7 years of zero input and soaring net worth does not bode well.

      The runners-up badge does seem acceptable to some who have never experienced the euphoria of an all-conquering LFC; runners-up we shall be while the present owners remain.
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      Reply #24239: Feb 25, 2018 12:37:54 pm
      They absolutely stole this Club, the equivalent of finding a genuine Rolex in a pound shop.


      Bunch of skinflints

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