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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24475: Jul 21, 2018 08:22:31 am
      Would love to hear the views of some of you that get involved in this. I find the whole idea of the whole process so daunting that I don't even attempt it anymore yet still pay my membership.

      The Members’ Sale: a biannual shambles: by Olly Rickets

      Jul 20 2018 07:07 PM | tlw content in Opinion

      The third Wednesday in July may not mean much to most people. But for a sizeable proportion of Liverpool supporters it is the most tense night of the year. Hours of sleep is lost, minds racing with excitement.

      Will this finally be the year that the official website’s servers decree that I am on the ’nice’ list, and allow me a seamless customer experience so that I might swap much of my year’s disposable income for tickets for 7 of the home games in the first half of the 2018-19 season? Surely it must, I’ve been so good this year, and I only got tempted to send private messages on Twitter to random club employees calling them all bas**rds last July; I didn’t actually do it.



      Alas, for many, this Thursday brought all too familiar tales of disappointment. Basically, the Members’ Sale was due to commence at 8:15am. The servers decided they didn’t want to, and the site died. At one point the live blog, launched by the club to provide instant information on the sale to those in the online queue, also died.

      Funny, undoubtedly, though still some way behind my personal favourite from a few years ago when the club sent an email questionnaire about people’s experiences with the sale process; the link leading instead to an ever-reloading blank page. The Members’ Sale, the gift that keeps giving.

      The club’s website is currently replete with slightly nauseating references describing Liverpool FC as a ‘family’ - and I suppose the sheer powerless sense of frustration each Members’ Sale provokes is akin to listening to your uncle drone on about immigrants at Christmas.



      The club were quick to issue an apology, at 08:50am, and the online queuing system began to function soon after. However, half an hour later the blog announced that there were ‘over 50,000 sessions in the queue’. Some of these might be people with duplicate windows or devices in the queue.

      Others, like myself and my friends, might have all logged in in the hope that our chances would be increased. But that is still a huge volume of people trying to get tickets. It is correct that the club have apologised for the servers’ failings this morning.

      It is difficult, however, to accept talk of unprecedented or unforeseen demand, given that it is the club that sells the memberships, so knows exactly how many members are out there. More importantly, a significant proportion of these will be ‘Light’ members.

      These people have paid £26.99 for a membership shorn of the tat (sorry, ‘welcome pack’) that gets sent to ‘Full’ members - in effect the only supposed reason to be a ‘Light’ member is to book tickets.

The club therefore know that virtually every ‘Light’ member, and a significant majority of ‘Full’ members, are going to be hammering refresh on the morning of each Members’ Sale. The demand therefore cannot be unforeseen.

      However, the predictable failure of the club’s website is still an admittedly significant and hugely frustrating symptom rather than a cause of the bigger issue: Liverpool’s membership system doesn’t work, because the club does not limit the amount of new members that can join each year.

      Yes, a fair few must quit in despair at each season’s end, but the rest of us pay our £26.99 every summer in the forlorn hope of the club doing something to make the system fairer. And then we end up getting the scraps from the sale. If you end up with tickets for a single match, you have effectively paid a £26.99 booking fee for your ticket. Some don’t even get that lucky.



      Members have access to 10,000 tickets per home game. For the right to book tickets for many of these matches you need to have certain credits from last season. This, of course, is absolutely right. However, the sheer unfettered volume of memberships means that most find it near impossible to move up the loyalty ladder in a season.

      Given that membership is for a full year, but you can join mid-season, it stands to reason that the November sale (for the home matches in the second half of the season) can only see more people getting involved in the bun fight. 

I won’t pretend that solving this issue is easy. I first started writing a piece on this topic several years ago.

      Looking at my notes, I felt that Liverpool’s membership scheme was markedly less fair than any other club in the Premier League. I accept now – as I did then – that to some extent it is not fair to compare like-for-like with those clubs who may not sell out every home game and therefore use membership schemes to entice attendees. For Liverpool, only the deadest of rubbers (or leaguest of cups) is unlikely to sell out far in advance.

      While demand outstrips supply so significantly, it is understandable that the club views membership as a means of distribution rather than an attraction to attend. What has changed in the 3 years since I started looking at this are the membership schemes operated by the other ‘big’ clubs. Back then I found that all still offered more tiers and what seemed like fairer, more transparent systems than Liverpool. Now, it appears they used us as the capitalist canary in the coal mine, and all have adopted broadly similar schemes since.

      So what can be done? The Anfield Road extension would certainly help! Others have suggested sensible measures to make the sale itself a less traumatic process, by restricting each IP address to a single place, or requiring members to log in before entering the queue. But the membership system itself needs fundamental changes.

      At the moment everyone hates it. Those with significant loyalty built up hate it because they are dragged into the bun fight for low category games.

      Those with no loyalty (and this doesn’t simply apply to glory hunters, it could be people that have been away from the country or unable to attend for health reasons) hate it because the odds seem utterly stacked against them getting anything other than scraps from the sale, and as previously mentioned if those scraps involve 1-2 games per season then they are effectively paying an astronomical booking fee and not getting enough credits to improve their outlook for the following season.

      And absolutely everyone in it hates it because the website breaks every single time.

      Limiting the number of new memberships sold per year would help. So would adding in several more tiers of membership depending on loyalty. I would even propose, to avoid the possibility of that £26.99 booking fee, effectively re-introducing the fan card or, more specifically, an entry level membership tier which cost substantially less than even the Light membership.

      This would be the only tier that allowed for unlimited volume of members, could have its own sale of a small number of tickets before each game (which I accept would make the current sale positively serene in terms of users versus available tickets) and be capped at booking tickets for a maximum of, say, 4 tickets in a season.

      If you were able to book tickets for 4 games, you would be offered a place in the next tier of membership (if there were spaces available), or put on the waiting list (if there weren’t). Of course this system is far from perfect, but if everything was transparent then at least we would all know where we stood. Capped numbers, plus an entry level tier and several more tiers as you get up towards full loyalty of 19 games plus cups would certainly help, as would knowing that you were only a few quid out of pocket if you didn’t get lucky in the sales.

      
In the interests of fairness and full disclosure, I should point out two things. Firstly, I was luckier than some on Thursday, and at least managed to get tickets for myself and two mates for the Cardiff game. Not sat together, as there were no longer three together anywhere, but better than nothing.

      Secondly, I have not mentioned the additional sales that members have access to approximately 2 weeks before each home game. These are sales involving returns from season ticket holders unable to attend. They can be useful, and I have got tickets in the past via this method. But getting seats together is virtually impossible, and the whole process adds to the feeling that the club treats those members without enough credit to guarantee themselves tickets as a bunch of animals fighting over a fly-ridden carcass way after all the good bits have been taken.



      Tony Barrett’s appointment was an inspired move by the club, as no one can doubt that the fair treatment of Liverpool supporters by the club is his genuine and absolute priority. As such, I truly believe that he would like to find a method of selling tickets that is as close to universally fair as possible.

      It is sad, however, that on a day on which we signed a world class goalkeeper for a world class fee, providing further evidence that in many ways this football club is beginning to appear unusually competent and united, the excitement for many was tempered with another reminder of how low down the list of its priorities we appear to be.
       
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      Demand will always outstrip supply when you have limited capacity, i know that's stating the obvious , so unless FSG biild a stadium that would hold 150,000 + demand will always conquer,

      Maybe I'm talking sh*te here but might i suggest a fan park for home games, where fans buy a ticket for say £10-£20 entry fee, on those tickets are numbers, numbers unique to individual tickets,

      The fan park will have a capacity of say 1000 ppl(hypothetical) and each home game ticket have a different colour, and once you have your 'number' / colour' you are automatically entered into a lottery for tickets that become available for league cup, FA cup, Prem games & of course CL mid week too,(you'll be very lucky)

      I might not have thought this through long enough but 19 home games could potentially be 19,000 (again, hypothetical) hoping they get lucky, significantly reducing the 50,000 Olly referred to,


      Look, I'm aware attending a fan park doesn't equate to sitting on the Kop match day but it certainly beats sat in a armchair or barstool and you have a chance albeit slim of winning actual match day tickets, but not as slim as having no chance at all ?


      Thoughts plz 😍



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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24476: Jul 21, 2018 12:13:23 pm
      Can you not just say that for the last 12 months or so they've become the exact owners I wanted?
      But it took a long time and a fair few mistakes and learning for them to get there?
      That's my view anyway

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      Reply #24477: Jul 22, 2018 03:25:03 am
      Think you may have missed a couple of letters from your name there mate.
      Possibly a u and a n !
      Wouldn’t matter what FSG done, there’d always be one eh ?

      Credit where credits due I think. They certainly took this club from the brink, whatever you think their motives are.

      A bit confused by your post, i admit. I was being sarcastic on my post  as I think they’ve done a good job but no matter what they’ve done or were to do there are some who’ll always find a stick to beat them with.

      On a side note, when FSG bought Liverpool i was on a baseball forum at the time and there were big uproars by some because to them the purchase meant FSG weren’t going to spend on the red sox anymore. Stupidity doesn’t discriminate.
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      Reply #24478: Jul 24, 2018 05:37:01 am
      When FSG took control of our club a lot of the supporters were not happy. They were American, the took over from 2 other Americans who almost put the club near Administration, which is inconceivable.  But, I wasn't worried, I LOVED that Henry and FSG took control. I was in the minority on this forum. But, because of what they did in Boston for the Red Sox I knew it was good. They turned a team that was "Cursed" and hadn't won a Championship since 1918. In 02' Henry bought the Sox and since they made 9 playoff appearances. In 04' they won the World Series. 2 years after he bought the club. They've since won 2 more and are currently the best team in Baseball. I cant find my original posts after the takeover but I said this was going to be the best run club in all of England. FSG have a very specific blueprint for winning. Slowly build a Club with youth, buy players to fill specific needs, dont spend insane money until you have a solid core of players and first and foremost....get a manager who can win with what he has. Once thats accomplished and your foundation is set, then spend big money to fill specific needs and go after the best players you can get. FSG are not Oligarchs or Saudi Princes who spend 300 million every transfer window. But, if we need one of the best defenders in the World, they buy him. If we need a Great GK they buy him.  Its not quick and it took time. But, they did what they promised to do. They have invested Millions into Anfield. Instead of building some glass and aluminum monstrosity like Arsenal or Spurs. They knew Anfield was a fortress. Its a century old. Its old architecture with an amazing history and feel. Its no coincidence that Fenway Park in Boston is a national landmark and is the oldest stadium in Baseball.

      We now have a team that is certainly capable of winning a title and most important they are all on long contracts and young. FSG have built us a club that can be the TOP EUROPEAN CLUB for the next 5 -8 years. If we win the title this season, they will then go out and get the top players available regardless of cost. Because they did it smart without over spending and leveraging the future. While teams like United are bloated and in debt just trying to sniff at the glory they once had, Liverpool will once again be the Once and Future Kings of England.
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      Reply #24479: Jul 24, 2018 11:42:51 am
      We've had a great summer and Michael Edwards has done a fantastic job but if find all the joy surrounding him and talk of 'we've the best Sporting Director' on Twitter weird as f**k.
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      Reply #24480: Jul 24, 2018 06:45:15 pm
      When FSG took control of our club a lot of the supporters were not happy. They were American, the took over from 2 other Americans who almost put the club near Administration, which is inconceivable.  But, I wasn't worried, I LOVED that Henry and FSG took control. I was in the minority on this forum. But, because of what they did in Boston for the Red Sox I knew it was good. They turned a team that was "Cursed" and hadn't won a Championship since 1918. In 02' Henry bought the Sox and since they made 9 playoff appearances. In 04' they won the World Series. 2 years after he bought the club. They've since won 2 more and are currently the best team in Baseball. I cant find my original posts after the takeover but I said this was going to be the best run club in all of England. FSG have a very specific blueprint for winning. Slowly build a Club with youth, buy players to fill specific needs, dont spend insane money until you have a solid core of players and first and foremost....get a manager who can win with what he has. Once thats accomplished and your foundation is set, then spend big money to fill specific needs and go after the best players you can get. FSG are not Oligarchs or Saudi Princes who spend 300 million every transfer window. But, if we need one of the best defenders in the World, they buy him. If we need a Great GK they buy him.  Its not quick and it took time. But, they did what they promised to do. They have invested Millions into Anfield. Instead of building some glass and aluminum monstrosity like Arsenal or Spurs. They knew Anfield was a fortress. Its a century old. Its old architecture with an amazing history and feel. Its no coincidence that Fenway Park in Boston is a national landmark and is the oldest stadium in Baseball.

      We now have a team that is certainly capable of winning a title and most important they are all on long contracts and young. FSG have built us a club that can be the TOP EUROPEAN CLUB for the next 5 -8 years. If we win the title this season, they will then go out and get the top players available regardless of cost. Because they did it smart without over spending and leveraging the future. While teams like United are bloated and in debt just trying to sniff at the glory they once had, Liverpool will once again be the Once and Future Kings of England.

      Let's win something first before we start crowing!!
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      Reply #24481: Jul 24, 2018 09:12:29 pm
      the past is the past and we cant replay those seasons. So far we seem to be buying players in positions the fans have been crying out to strengthen for some time and its looking really good so far.

      I may have said this before. 

      The dumbest thing owners of any sports team can do is to listen to it’s supporters.

      It really is.  We are not watching training.  We don’t know what is going on on the training tables.

      We have knee jerk reactions.  I remember when Firmino should have been flogged off in the winter of his first season by a fair few on here.
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      Reply #24482: Jul 24, 2018 09:39:08 pm
      We've had a great summer and Michael Edwards has done a fantastic job but if find all the joy surrounding him and talk of 'we've the best Sporting Director' on Twitter weird as f**k.

      Don’t go near the Liverpool sub on Reddit, they’d eat his balls for dinner and have his butthole for dessert. Weirdos.
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      Reply #24483: Jul 24, 2018 09:53:07 pm
      I may have said this before. 

      The dumbest thing owners of any sports team can do is to listen to it’s supporters.

      It really is.  We are not watching training.  We don’t know what is going on on the training tables.

      We have knee jerk reactions.  I remember when Firmino should have been flogged off in the winter of his first season by a fair few on here.

      is that why we keep on being told we are the most knowledgeable fans in the world.
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      Reply #24484: Jul 25, 2018 12:02:32 am
      I may have said this before. 

      The dumbest thing owners of any sports team can do is to listen to it’s supporters.

      It really is.  We are not watching training.  We don’t know what is going on on the training tables.

      We have knee jerk reactions.  I remember when Firmino should have been flogged off in the winter of his first season by a fair few on here.

      The owners don't watch training either
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      Reply #24485: Jul 25, 2018 06:14:40 am
      I remember when Firmino should have been flogged off in the winter of his first season by a fair few on here.

      Don’t remember that at all, not one bit.
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      Reply #24486: Jul 25, 2018 07:05:58 am
      This thread is remarkably quiet given the activity in recent weeks.....

      As Huyton has alluded to.

      You don't win f**k all in a Summer transfer window.

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      Reply #24487: Jul 25, 2018 12:18:14 pm
      When FSG took control of our club a lot of the supporters were not happy. They were American, the took over from 2 other Americans who almost put the club near Administration, which is inconceivable.  But, I wasn't worried, I LOVED that Henry and FSG took control. I was in the minority on this forum. But, because of what they did in Boston for the Red Sox I knew it was good. They turned a team that was "Cursed" and hadn't won a Championship since 1918. In 02' Henry bought the Sox and since they made 9 playoff appearances. In 04' they won the World Series. 2 years after he bought the club. They've since won 2 more and are currently the best team in Baseball. I cant find my original posts after the takeover but I said this was going to be the best run club in all of England. FSG have a very specific blueprint for winning. Slowly build a Club with youth, buy players to fill specific needs, dont spend insane money until you have a solid core of players and first and foremost....get a manager who can win with what he has. Once thats accomplished and your foundation is set, then spend big money to fill specific needs and go after the best players you can get. FSG are not Oligarchs or Saudi Princes who spend 300 million every transfer window. But, if we need one of the best defenders in the World, they buy him. If we need a Great GK they buy him.  Its not quick and it took time. But, they did what they promised to do. They have invested Millions into Anfield. Instead of building some glass and aluminum monstrosity like Arsenal or Spurs. They knew Anfield was a fortress. Its a century old. Its old architecture with an amazing history and feel. Its no coincidence that Fenway Park in Boston is a national landmark and is the oldest stadium in Baseball.

      We now have a team that is certainly capable of winning a title and most important they are all on long contracts and young. FSG have built us a club that can be the TOP EUROPEAN CLUB for the next 5 -8 years. If we win the title this season, they will then go out and get the top players available regardless of cost. Because they did it smart without over spending and leveraging the future. While teams like United are bloated and in debt just trying to sniff at the glory they once had,

      Liverpool will once again be the Once and Future Kings of England.

      Great Post . That'll do for me.

      They've done brilliantly .
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      Reply #24488: Jul 25, 2018 04:23:17 pm

      When FSG took control of our club a lot of the supporters were not happy. They were American, the took over from 2 other Americans who almost put the club near Administration, which is inconceivable.  But, I wasn't worried, I LOVED that Henry and FSG took control. I was in the minority on this forum. But, because of what they did in Boston for the Red Sox I knew it was good. They turned a team that was "Cursed" and hadn't won a Championship since 1918. In 02' Henry bought the Sox and since they made 9 playoff appearances. In 04' they won the World Series. 2 years after he bought the club. They've since won 2 more and are currently the best team in Baseball. I cant find my original posts after the takeover but I said this was going to be the best run club in all of England. FSG have a very specific blueprint for winning. Slowly build a Club with youth, buy players to fill specific needs, dont spend insane money until you have a solid core of players and first and foremost....get a manager who can win with what he has. Once thats accomplished and your foundation is set, then spend big money to fill specific needs and go after the best players you can get. FSG are not Oligarchs or Saudi Princes who spend 300 million every transfer window. But, if we need one of the best defenders in the World, they buy him. If we need a Great GK they buy him.  Its not quick and it took time. But, they did what they promised to do. They have invested Millions into Anfield. Instead of building some glass and aluminum monstrosity like Arsenal or Spurs. They knew Anfield was a fortress. Its a century old. Its old architecture with an amazing history and feel. Its no coincidence that Fenway Park in Boston is a national landmark and is the oldest stadium in Baseball.

      We now have a team that is certainly capable of winning a title and most important they are all on long contracts and young. FSG have built us a club that can be the TOP EUROPEAN CLUB for the next 5 -8 years. If we win the title this season, they will then go out and get the top players available regardless of cost. Because they did it smart without over spending and leveraging the future. While teams like United are bloated and in debt just trying to sniff at the glory they once had, Liverpool will once again be the Once and Future Kings of England.

      The problem with that is, its easy now to say "oh this was the plan from the beginning", but the reason we now look capable of challenging for the title is because FSG have left behind their moneyball philosophy. That was their original strategy.
      We had a lot of fans saying " I would hate it if we started spending huge sums on players like City and Chelsea". Those fans are now rejoicing at the signings of Allison and VanDijk, whereas some of us were arguing that this was the only way we would compete.

      I am over the moon that FSG are finally stepping up to the plate and seem to have made on field success a priority now.

      I'll give FSG the credit they deserve for this window,  it shows real intent. If this is the new reality, signing players like VD, Allison, Salah, Mane.. Instead of Illori, Alberto, Lambert, Mario, then there can be no complaints.
      « Last Edit: Jul 25, 2018 07:16:59 pm by ORCHARD RED »
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      Reply #24489: Jul 25, 2018 06:41:19 pm
      As Huyton has alluded to.

      You don't win f**k all in a Summer transfer window.



      Exactly.
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      Reply #24490: Jul 25, 2018 07:40:09 pm
      As Huyton has alluded to.

      You don't win f**k all in a Summer transfer window.



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      Reply #24491: Jul 25, 2018 08:34:43 pm
      It's great to see the club competing for top top players at last. Breaking the record for both defender and goal keeper represents a shift in transfer policy and is now enabling us to compete for (and get) players who are coveted by other teams. Long may it continue! However, it's also worth noting that Klopp is really just spending the money that has been banked over a few of the previous windows in which net spend was pretty negligible.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24492: Jul 25, 2018 09:04:11 pm
      It's great to see the club competing for top top players at last. Breaking the record for both defender and goal keeper represents a shift in transfer policy and is now enabling us to compete for (and get) players who are coveted by other teams. Long may it continue! However, it's also worth noting that Klopp is really just spending the money that has been banked over a few of the previous windows in which net spend was pretty negligible.

      https://twitter.com/ClarkJamesYNWA/status/1021329812516896768

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      Reply #24493: Jul 25, 2018 09:21:03 pm

      Wahhhayyy ha ha
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      Reply #24494: Jul 25, 2018 10:05:43 pm
      The problem with that is, its easy now to say "oh this was the plan from the beginning", but the reason we now look capable of challenging for the title is because FSG have left behind their moneyball philosophy. That was their original strategy.
      We had a lot of fans saying " I would hate it if we started spending huge sums on players like City and Chelsea". Those fans are now rejoicing at the signings of Allison and VanDijk, whereas some of us were arguing that this was the only way we would compete.

      The reason we are capable of spending the money we have recently spent is because of all the work that FSG did when they first took over to develop sustainable revenue for the club. Expanding the stadium, re-developing and expanding the club store, re-developing Melwood, focussing much more heavily on big-ticket pre-season / post-season friendlies that boost the profile of the team abroad and earn the club more money. They've been doing this since they came and the figures have shown us steadily closing the gap on the big clubs in terms of revenue. So I don't think it's fair to say that this is not part of their bigger plan, it very much is.

      What will have helped though is getting to the CL Final - that will certainly have helped persuade players who previously might have been undecided, and that's something that wouldn't have been planned for by anyone including the owners

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24495: Jul 25, 2018 10:35:01 pm
      The reason we are capable of spending the money we have recently spent is because of all the work that FSG did when they first took over to develop sustainable revenue for the club. Expanding the stadium, re-developing and expanding the club store, re-developing Melwood, focussing much more heavily on big-ticket pre-season / post-season friendlies that boost the profile of the team abroad and earn the club more money. They've been doing this since they came and the figures have shown us steadily closing the gap on the big clubs in terms of revenue. So I don't think it's fair to say that this is not part of their bigger plan, it very much is.

      What will have helped though is getting to the CL Final - that will certainly have helped persuade players who previously might have been undecided, and that's something that wouldn't have been planned for by anyone including the owners

      What also will have helped is the massive player sales

      Let's not ignore that
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24496: Jul 26, 2018 09:17:51 am
      What also will have helped is the massive player sales

      Let's not ignore that

      You bad bad very bad pointer outer of the truth....shame on you boooooooo…..

      And you are spot on!
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24497: Jul 27, 2018 04:04:52 pm
      The problem with that is, its easy now to say "oh this was the plan from the beginning", but the reason we now look capable of challenging for the title is because FSG have left behind their moneyball philosophy. That was their original strategy.
      We had a lot of fans saying " I would hate it if we started spending huge sums on players like City and Chelsea". Those fans are now rejoicing at the signings of Allison and VanDijk, whereas some of us were arguing that this was the only way we would compete.

      I am over the moon that FSG are finally stepping up to the plate and seem to have made on field success a priority now.

      I'll give FSG the credit they deserve for this window,  it shows real intent. If this is the new reality, signing players like VD, Allison, Salah, Mane.. Instead of Illori, Alberto, Lambert, Mario, then there can be no complaints.


      I'm not crowing or saying "I told ya'". When they took over I said, If you want to know who Henry and FSG are, look at what happened in Boston. The Red Sox have one the best front offices in Baseball.  They build Champions.  They dont buy championships. I know that MLB Baseball and the EPL are completely different.  But, the process and the plan for building a Championship club while being financially viable and commercially relevant can be applied to any sport. Its also very telling that Henry owns 2 teams which are relatively mirror images of eachother. Similar history's, insanely loyal and knowledgeable fan bases. Geographically similar, politically and economically similar. The Stadiums are both considered architectural landmarks and fortresses to opposing teams.  I dont think any other owner was as suited and able to care for and protect the history and legacy of Liverpool FC than Henry and FSG. I dont live in Liverpool and cant comment on what FSG have brought to the community around Anfield. But, I think most supporters will agree that scrapping any plans for a new stadium and reinvesting and modernizing Anfield is preferred to tearing it down. Look at what happened to West Ham. They also had a fortress surrounded by a vibrant neighborhood. Now they're completely neutered in a sh*t stadium, next to a f***in mall in the middle of a cement ocean. Their fans HATE the stadium and the club suffered.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24498: Jul 27, 2018 04:42:46 pm
      I'm not crowing or saying "I told ya'". When they took over I said, If you want to know who Henry and FSG are, look at what happened in Boston. The Red Sox have one the best front offices in Baseball.  They build Champions.  They dont buy championships. I know that MLB Baseball and the EPL are completely different.  But, the process and the plan for building a Championship club while being financially viable and commercially relevant can be applied to any sport. Its also very telling that Henry owns 2 teams which are relatively mirror images of eachother. Similar history's, insanely loyal and knowledgeable fan bases. Geographically similar, politically and economically similar. The Stadiums are both considered architectural landmarks and fortresses to opposing teams.  I dont think any other owner was as suited and able to care for and protect the history and legacy of Liverpool FC than Henry and FSG. I dont live in Liverpool and cant comment on what FSG have brought to the community around Anfield. But, I think most supporters will agree that scrapping any plans for a new stadium and reinvesting and modernizing Anfield is preferred to tearing it down. Look at what happened to West Ham. They also had a fortress surrounded by a vibrant neighborhood. Now they're completely neutered in a sh*t stadium, next to a f***in mall in the middle of a cement ocean. Their fans HATE the stadium and the club suffered.

      I wasn't having a go at you mate, just disagree with your assessment. I'm just happy to be at the point that we're now buying quality players, regardless of how we got here.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24499: Jul 27, 2018 04:47:16 pm
      I'm not crowing or saying "I told ya'". When they took over I said, If you want to know who Henry and FSG are, look at what happened in Boston. The Red Sox have one the best front offices in Baseball.  They build Champions.  They dont buy championships. I know that MLB Baseball and the EPL are completely different.  But, the process and the plan for building a Championship club while being financially viable and commercially relevant can be applied to any sport. Its also very telling that Henry owns 2 teams which are relatively mirror images of eachother. Similar history's, insanely loyal and knowledgeable fan bases. Geographically similar, politically and economically similar. The Stadiums are both considered architectural landmarks and fortresses to opposing teams.  I dont think any other owner was as suited and able to care for and protect the history and legacy of Liverpool FC than Henry and FSG. I dont live in Liverpool and cant comment on what FSG have brought to the community around Anfield. But, I think most supporters will agree that scrapping any plans for a new stadium and reinvesting and modernizing Anfield is preferred to tearing it down. Look at what happened to West Ham. They also had a fortress surrounded by a vibrant neighborhood. Now they're completely neutered in a sh*t stadium, next to a f***in mall in the middle of a cement ocean. Their fans HATE the stadium and the club suffered.

      I believe the Red Sox were supposed to get a new stadium prior to FSG buying them? seem to recall that going on then talks broke down and when FSG took over they did the remodel of Fenway.

      Yankee stadium i think is another example of a new stadium not going well. From what i understand fans generally do not like the new stadium as it does not have that feel the old one did.

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