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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #24500: Jul 27, 2018 04:47:43 pm
      I'm not crowing or saying "I told ya'". When they took over I said, If you want to know who Henry and FSG are, look at what happened in Boston. The Red Sox have one the best front offices in Baseball.  They build Champions.  They dont buy championships. I know that MLB Baseball and the EPL are completely different.  But, the process and the plan for building a Championship club while being financially viable and commercially relevant can be applied to any sport. Its also very telling that Henry owns 2 teams which are relatively mirror images of eachother. Similar history's, insanely loyal and knowledgeable fan bases. Geographically similar, politically and economically similar. The Stadiums are both considered architectural landmarks and fortresses to opposing teams.  I dont think any other owner was as suited and able to care for and protect the history and legacy of Liverpool FC than Henry and FSG. I dont live in Liverpool and cant comment on what FSG have brought to the community around Anfield. But, I think most supporters will agree that scrapping any plans for a new stadium and reinvesting and modernizing Anfield is preferred to tearing it down. Look at what happened to West Ham. They also had a fortress surrounded by a vibrant neighborhood. Now they're completely neutered in a sh*t stadium, next to a f***in mall in the middle of a cement ocean. Their fans HATE the stadium and the club suffered.

      Proper old school Liverpool fan's attitude was not to go shouting our mouths off until we had won something. That was what I meant about not crowing just yet. End the coming season with a trophy or 2 in the cabinet and you can wax lyrical about the owners all you want.

      I'm just not tempting fate yet!!
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      Reply #24501: Jul 27, 2018 07:50:35 pm
      Seems every time I give FSG credit, they do something to f**k it up for me again. Hopefully this is the window where I can't retire from the "dont trust FSG" club. Fingers crossed!
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      Reply #24502: Jul 28, 2018 11:01:29 am
      What also will have helped is the massive player sales

      Let's not ignore that

      No, we shouldn't ignore it. However, my point was about long-term investment: developing the training complex, expanding the stadium, the massive over hall of the club shop … those improvements will be felt by the club and will gain the club additional £££s for many years to come.

      Player sales are one-offs and do nothing to create sustainable growth so, in terms of developing sustainable revenue, selling players will have done absolutely nothing. It's worth noting though that a lot of transfers - especially the big high-profile ones - are paid in instalments over a number of years: TV revenue brings in more money in a typical financial year. Everyone understandably thinks that selling players is the main source of revenue but in a typical financial year it probably won't work out that way
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      Reply #24503: Jul 28, 2018 12:24:20 pm
      Seems every time I give FSG credit, they do something to f**k it up for me again. Hopefully this is the window where I can't retire from the "dont trust FSG" club. Fingers crossed!

      so you won't be too upset when they sell the Tea Lady. If it suits them and the timing is right for them they will sell any one of our players. the bottom line is for them the bottom line they have no interest in football and no interest in Liverpool football club they are probably still jerking off at how cheaply they bought the club from Hicks and Gillette. As long as we don't see much of them or here about them well all is good. We never used to discuss owners or directors in the past it would be great if we could get back to that because it will mean success on the pitch.
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      Reply #24504: Jul 28, 2018 01:58:21 pm
      We never used to discuss owners or directors in the past it would be great if we could get back to that because it will mean success on the pitch.

      In today's game, the two are inextricably linked … being successful in one means being successful in the other. I agree that the running of the club shouldn't be fans' primary focus of attention and it should mainly be about the football but sadly in today's game to get to the very top you need to be on top of the commercial side of things too
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      Reply #24505: Jul 28, 2018 02:28:05 pm


      What also will have helped is the massive player sales

      Let's not ignore that

      Not to be ignored either is the fact that that the two managers credited with signing Coutinho and the previous money pig Suarez were both sacked by FSG.
      Benitez and Dalglish enriched shareholders and provided the means to rebuild the team respectively yet where both given the bullet according to the "wisdom" of FSG.

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      Reply #24506: Jul 28, 2018 02:32:36 pm

      Not to be ignored either is the fact that that the two managers credited with signing Coutinho and the previous money pig Suarez were both sacked by FSG.
      Benitez and Dalglish enriched shareholders and provided the means to rebuild the team respectively yet where both given the bullet according to the "wisdom" of FSG.

      Rafa was sacked before the takeover
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      Reply #24507: Jul 28, 2018 02:45:59 pm
      Rafa was sacked before the takeover

      Of course, mustn't suggest any correlation between H&G and the current American owners. FSG do operate lawfully and to infer otherwise is highly questionable.

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      Reply #24508: Jul 29, 2018 07:02:54 am
      so you won't be too upset when they sell the Tea Lady. If it suits them and the timing is right for them they will sell any one of our players. the bottom line is for them the bottom line they have no interest in football and no interest in Liverpool football club they are probably still jerking off at how cheaply they bought the club from Hicks and Gillette. As long as we don't see much of them or here about them well all is good. We never used to discuss owners or directors in the past it would be great if we could get back to that because it will mean success on the pitch.

      To be fair mate, we rarely hear a peep and the Coutinho transfer showed it’s not up to them who gets sold or when.

      They’ve done their job. Pretty well, too. Now let’s hope the football finishes the job and we can celebrate a thing or two come season’s end.
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      Reply #24509: Jul 29, 2018 09:04:28 am
      Of course, mustn't suggest any correlation between H&G and the current American owners. FSG do operate lawfully and to infer otherwise is highly questionable.

      In part I agree with you - both H & G and FSG are groups of very wealthy businessmen and both see LFC as a business, which as a professional sports club in the 21st century, it ultimately is.

      For me the main difference is that FSG see LFC as a long-term investment whereas H & G were more about asset-stripping and trying to make a fast buck. We were very close to bankruptcy when FSG came in and are in a much stronger position financially now than we were back then because of FSG's investment in sustainable sources of revenue.

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      Reply #24510: Jul 29, 2018 10:24:54 am
      In part I agree with you - both H & G and FSG are groups of very wealthy businessmen and both see LFC as a business, which as a professional sports club in the 21st century, it ultimately is.

      For me the main difference is that FSG see LFC as a long-term investment whereas H & G were more about asset-stripping and trying to make a fast buck. We were very close to bankruptcy when FSG came in and are in a much stronger position financially now than we were back then because of FSG's investment in sustainable sources of revenue.

      Apart from the monies to stave off the bankruptcy process and a loan in respect of the modification of Anfield the owner's have failed to follow the business anthem of feeding an investment.
      Such procedure indicates faith in the company as a long term investment.

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      Reply #24511: Jul 29, 2018 11:45:41 am
      I don't see how you can be annoyed at the owners for this years business so far.

      Has to be a positive step even for their most staunch haters.
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      Reply #24512: Jul 29, 2018 12:38:49 pm
      I don't see how you can be annoyed at the owners for this years business so far.

      Has to be a positive step even for their most staunch haters.

      Suppose it is an improvement on buying journey men as in the previous years but with Jürgen calling the shots we are in safe hands.
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      Reply #24513: Jul 29, 2018 11:23:13 pm
      I think FSG deserve credit for the change in transfer strategy, we are now competing for top players and I kinda feel like the perception of LFC has changed a bit with the purchases of VVD, Keita and now Alisson. It tells other top players that we are here to compete as an upper echelon club with a top manager and the ability to bring in high quality players. However, i'm still concerned about the depth of the squad. We were literally running on fumes for the latter part of last season. two quality midfielders have come in with Keita and Fabinho but they have effectively replaced Can and Ox. Obviously the upgrade at the goal keeper position was an absolute must but returning to the issue of squad depth we have only technically added One outfield player in terms of numbers with 2 out and 3 in so we could quite possibly find ourselves in the exact same position this season, particularly if we make some progress in the domestic cups. It does worry me that we were in for a player like Fekir who was a clear replacement for Coutinho but since that feel through and The big money went for the keeper it seems now not to be a priority. I don't believe that Shakiri was brought in as an alternative to Fekir as they are very different players.
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      Reply #24514: Jul 29, 2018 11:31:40 pm
      I think FSG deserve credit for the change in transfer strategy, we are now competing for top players and I kinda feel like the perception of LFC has changed a bit with the purchases of VVD, Keita and now Alisson.
      It tells other top players that we are here to compete as an upper echelon club with a top manager and the ability to bring in high quality players.
      However, i'm still concerned about the depth of the squad. We were literally running on fumes for the latter part of last season. two quality midfielders have come in with Keita and Fabinho but they have effectively replaced Can and Ox.
      Obviously the upgrade at the goal keeper position was an absolute must but returning to the issue of squad depth we have only technically added One outfield player in terms of numbers with 2 out and 3 in so we could quite possibly find ourselves in the exact same position this season, particularly if we make some progress in the domestic cups.
      It does worry me that we were in for a player like Fekir who was a clear replacement for Coutinho but since that feel through and the big money went for the keeper it seems now not to be a priority.
      I don't believe that Shakiri was brought in as an alternative to Fekir as they are very different players.

      We had over a dozen players back from loan and four new signings including a free in from Chelsea.
      We've got the numbers.
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      Reply #24515: Jul 29, 2018 11:50:26 pm
      We had over a dozen players back from loan and four new signings including a free in from Chelsea.
      We've got the numbers.

      Seems more likely the squad will be trimmed. Woodburn and Gruciq look like thy are heading out on loan, Wilson has just gone. Origi will likely follow either on loan or hopefully a sale and Ojo won't be far behind. It looks like there might be takers for Migs and Markovic so it's quite possible it will be several out and the another player or two coming in. But as things stand I'm not entirely convinced we have got the numbers mate. Time will tell.
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      Reply #24516: Jul 29, 2018 11:54:51 pm
      Seems more likely the squad will be trimmed. Woodburn and Gruciq look like thy are heading out on loan, Wilson has just gone. Origi will likely follow either on loan or hopefully a sale and Ojo won't be far behind. It looks like there might be takers for Migs and Markovic so it's quite possible it will be several out and the another player or two coming in. But as things stand I'm not entirely convinced we have got the numbers mate. Time will tell.

      Fair Comment.
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      Reply #24517: Jul 30, 2018 04:56:10 am
      Apart from the monies to stave off the bankruptcy process and a loan in respect of the modification of Anfield the owner's have failed to follow the business anthem of feeding an investment.
      Such procedure indicates faith in the company as a long term investment.



      ‘Apart from a loan for Anfield’. There it is again, Stuey dismissing anything positive the owners do.

      And I think it’s safe to say it’s a long term investment for them since they’ve been here 10 years now Stu.

      10 years! Maybe time for you to change the record?
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      Reply #24518: Jul 30, 2018 08:35:06 am
      ‘Apart from a loan for Anfield’. There it is again, Stuey dismissing anything positive the owners do.

      And I think it’s safe to say it’s a long term investment for them since they’ve been here 10 years now Stu.

      10 years! Maybe time for you to change the record?

      No this is a Stuey vendetta which will run and run, his major issue is that its some bloody foreigners owning the club. Pretty much everything they do is bad in his eyes.
      I just have a little chuckle whenever he goes on a rant or pretends that he's ignoreing my posts!
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      Reply #24519: Jul 30, 2018 10:39:30 am
      ‘Apart from a loan for Anfield’. There it is again, Stuey dismissing anything positive the owners do.

      And I think it’s safe to say it’s a long term investment for them since they’ve been here 10 years now Stu.

      10 years! Maybe time for you to change the record?

      Maybe that’s the only record he’s got? ;D
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      Reply #24520: Jul 30, 2018 10:41:51 am
      FSG are not committed owners they are committed business men they don't love the club the city or the fans and their net spend is just over £20 mil per season. Moores sold up because he could see how money was coming into the Premier league and he thought he could only commit £20 mil per season which would not compete with City,Chelsea or UTD its ironic that FSG have more or less followed his plans. FSG are riding on the back of Jürgen who clearly has developed a love of the Club the City and the Fans.

      1 league Cup in 10 years isn't success for Liverpool but success for FSG is the value of their investment has risen to over £1 billion so who are the winners here the Club,the city and the fans or FSG?.
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      Reply #24521: Jul 30, 2018 10:46:37 am
      ‘Apart from a loan for Anfield’. There it is again, Stuey dismissing anything positive the owners do.

      And I think it’s safe to say it’s a long term investment for them since they’ve been here 10 years now Stu.

      10 years! Maybe time for you to change the record?

      FSG stated they would not use their own money in financing the running of LFC, after gaining control of the club for a ridiculous £260m initially and loaning money for a ground extension, the investment that is LFC is now worth in excess of £1bn.

      Still there is an abject refusal by FSG to feed the investment that is LFC, this in spite of the club being a proven asset and a license to print money.
      The monies used recently to acquire players that vastly improve our potential are from the Coutinho deal, we could have had the same scenario with the Suarez dosh but journey men were brought in with the expected result.

      To think this is a massive shift in policy by the owners is a mistake as is any credit in our fortunes, all credit is down to Jürgen Klopp, without him we would still be in sh*t street with owners who refuse to invest in LFC.
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      Reply #24522: Jul 30, 2018 10:59:59 am
      FSG are not committed owners they are committed business men they don't love the club the city or the fans and their net spend is just over £20 mil per season. Moores sold up because he could see how money was coming into the Premier league and he thought he could only commit £20 mil per season which would not compete with City,Chelsea or UTD its ironic that FSG have more or less followed his plans. FSG are riding on the back of Jürgen who clearly has developed a love of the Club the City and the Fans.

      1 league Cup in 10 years isn't success for Liverpool but success for FSG is the value of their investment has risen to over £1 billion so who are the winners here the Club,the city and the fans or FSG?.

      Couldn't agree more. It amazes me how people still jump to their defence and are quite passionate about it too.

      If you were marking their ownership out of 10 you'd probably give them a 5. They've stabilised the books after the club was in a mess and they brought in klopp who's the best manager we could have wished for but as you say, it's trophies what matter and we simply haven't won enough under their ownership. One league cup in ten years is a bit of a farce.

      What klopp has done is a miracle really. Getting shut of the likes of benteke, allen, skrtel, ibe, ward, smith, balotelli, Alberto, Stewart, sakho, coutinho (bad apple) and Lucas (past his best), raising the money to replace them with mane, salah, Virgil, Alisson, Keita, Fabinho, Robbo, Gini, Ox and Shaqiri. Net spend has been tiny and our squad is so much stronger now. Klopp has done a top job.

      That isn't FSGs doing. It's all klopps. Those players listed above wouldn't have even signed if it wasn't for Klopp. As much as I liked Rodgers, if he was still in charge then we wouldn't have signed those players listed above simple as that.

      The best thing FSG have ever done is bring in klopp and I treasure every day he's with us because I seriously worry for our future for when Jürgen decides to move on.

      This is the best transfer window we've had under FSG so far. We've strengthened in key areas but more importantly, we haven't sold any key players. There is still two weeks of the window to go so I will judge it when it closes, but what is annoying me is how it seems klopp was given a choice either sign a new keeper or an attacking mid.  Originally we wanted the attacking mid but we weren't happy with his knee. At the same time, Karius continues making dire mistakes in pre season so our prioritities changed and we decided on the keeper instead.  The point being though, it shouldn't be one or the other, we need both, and we should sign both.

      The money is there. Back to back CL qualifications including our prize money for reaching the final. The money we've made from the tv deals has gone through the roof too yet we're still only spending money on what we make through player sales.

      There is no reason why FSG can't give klopp another 100m this window to bring in 1 or 2 more players and then we would seriously be in with a shout of winning the league.
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      Reply #24523: Jul 30, 2018 11:05:59 am
      Maybe that’s the only record he’s got? ;D

      What - the record of none investment by FSG?
      Can you provide any record whatever of tangible investment in the years FSG have been here and creamed the club??

      Acquired for a gift of £260m now worth over £1bn purely generated on the reputation and history of this great club,  built by people willing to sacrifice and support what it stands for - not sit in an office thousands of miles away contemplating interest rates.
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      Reply #24524: Jul 30, 2018 11:10:08 am
      FSG stated they would not use their own money in financing the running of LFC, after gaining control of the club for a ridiculous £260m initially and loaning money for a ground extension, the investment that is LFC is now worth in excess of £1bn.

      Still there is an abject refusal by FSG to feed the investment that is LFC, this in spite of the club being a proven asset and a license to print money.
      The monies used recently to acquire players that vastly improve our potential are from the Coutinho deal, we could have had the same scenario with the Suarez dosh but journey men were brought in with the expected result.

      To think this is a massive shift in policy by the owners is a mistake as is any credit in our fortunes, all credit is down to Jürgen Klopp, without him we would still be in sh*t street with owners who refuse to invest in LFC.

      We were signing nobody’s with the Suarez money because we couldn’t get anyone else, we tried to get Sanchez, it didn’t happen, he rejected us.

      Find it strange how anyone can try to pick fault with the owners this summer. We’ve spent near on 200mill, getting a 50mill refurbishment, we’ve not long had a stadium expansion.
      It’s perfect business sense if you can run something without having to use your own money, use the money the club generates instead, keeps you in a much secure position too.
      The biggest problem with FSG is that to begin with they didn’t know football, they tried to implement a strategy of signing players that wasn’t suitable for the Premier League. But for all the bad signings, there has been Suarez, Coutinho, Mane etc, all with the apparent money pinching or whatever. The other main fault is that they employed BR, a manager, that through no fault of his own, doesn’t have the appeal to the big players, the job was too big for him and had to rely on Gerrard for trying to get the big players. But we still tried to sign Salah previously, Willian, Sanchez etc, and you can bet if we had Klopp we would have gotten them. We are now in a position where we’ve had back to back top 4 finishes, cup finals and outspending everyone this year. They see us a long term investment, they are in it for the long haul which explains why they haven’t dipped into their own pocket much, but aside from City, we are looking the most sustainable team this year, something that has happened by not spending what we don’t have. People moaned about H&G taking out loans, spending what we didn’t have etc, yet when the current owners are trying to protect their investment, 8 years down the line, with a team that is now taking massive strides in a positive direction, signing quality players with a quality manager, you still get those almost desperate to still pick fault when in actual fact, what have they actually done wrong?

      - stadium expansion
      - signing quality players
      - £50mill development
      - facilities improved
      - signs of the success coming back

      Are these not things that we all wanted? They’ve taken their time but over the last year or 2, pretty much since Klopp took over, they finally seem to have understood how it works. Klopp essentially has a free reign, pretty much everything he wants, he gets.

      Some people just need to let stuff go, they aren’t the best but there is a damn sight worse and I’d have thought after the nightmare of H&G, people would finally be happy with our current position.
      If we win literally every trophy possible next season, some people would still rather look at faults than give them any credit.
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