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      NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #29716: Dec 18, 2021 11:34:31 pm
      I love it how some people say we will be in a strong position when FSG do leave. They bought it for Ā£300mil they will sell it for Ā£3billion
      how the F**k does that make us stronger unless someone  finds some spare change down the back of the Sofa or potential new owners will have to be richer than the almighty or they will finance the purchase with borrowed money which means the club will be  footing the bill. Hello they are here to make money for themselves nothing else .

      We'll if the club is worth that much more I'd guess the playing squad is more valuable, the stadium and infrastructure had been made better, the commercial revenues have increased etc etc.

      Would you rather all this hadn't happened as that's what it sounds like?
      « Last Edit: Dec 19, 2021 10:36:51 am by srslfc »
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      Reply #29717: Dec 19, 2021 07:53:53 am
      I cant even be arsed responding to you. You are a complete tool.

      Yet you did 😂

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      If they offered what he wants he would have signed. He could earn far more elsewhere. The cheapskates just won't pay up. They dont like paying up unless they sell big. That's a fact.


      No player should just get ā€œwhat he wantsā€ - thatā€™s the sort of sh*t that gets clubs into financial difficulty. Salah will be offered a very lucrative package to make him the highest paid in the club and one of the highest paid in the Prem.

      And an actual fact is - the owners arenā€™t the ones doing the transfers or contracts , itā€™s done by a man called Edwards - and he works within the financial constraints of the clubs budget

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      I told you they extended contracts ... but not the most vital one because as I said the cheapskates won't pay it.

      He still has 18 months left on his contract but there will be no doubt he will sign a new one in good enough time

      As for being cheapskates- the club has one of the highest wage bills in the sport


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      I dont need lottery numbers. We did naff all pre JĆ¼rgen and we will do naff all post JĆ¼rgen under fsg. Dont gimme the we finished 2nd conceding over 60 goals. Did naff all before that and proved a fluke and false dawn after it.


      We did come 2nd just missing out on the title - how was its a ā€œflukeā€, we also won a trophy before that.

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      As for the spending table you claim fsg backed JĆ¼rgen. Well the table states otherwise as does the fact they only let him buy a championship player for 2m and bring in a player on loan risking CL qualification. 

      The club have spent Ā£560mil on players since Klopp arrived ?!

      We have complied a squad that is the best we have seen for 30 years and you are still crying about how much money .

      The centre back the club wanted was Konate but couldnā€™t get him until the summer so got in some stop gaps until they could

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      If that's backing him I'd love to see what not backing him looks like. Fsg are praying JĆ¼rgen stays because they know we are f**ked when he leaves. You fancy brendan coming back? That's the callibe of manager we will end up with.

      So is there a specific amount that has to be reached before itā€™s considered ā€œbackingā€ ? Ā£1bn ? Ā£2bn ?

      And when Klopp goes why wonā€™t the club be able to attract the best managers 🤷ā€ā™‚ļø

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      You are going on mute. A total tool. You can spout your rubbish away from these eyes. Happy Christmas.

      You have a good Xmas - reading what you post I suspect it will be playing football games on your computer
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      Reply #29718: Dec 19, 2021 07:57:23 am
      Ha ha ha ā€¦ only concern is the table this seasonā€¦

      Conveniently forgets last seasonā€¦😂

      Why are you still crying about last season ? Itā€™s happened - we had a season ripped apart by unprecedented levels and got through it


      We are now onto this season and challenging once again for trophies - you can carry on throwing your dummy about last season if you want
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      Reply #29719: Dec 19, 2021 08:00:02 am
      I love it how some people say we will be in a strong position when FSG do leave. They bought it for Ā£300mil they will sell it for Ā£3billion
      how the f**k does that make us stronger unless someone  finds some spare change down the back of the Sofa or potential new owners will have to be richer than the almighty or they will finance the purchase with borrowed money which means the club will be  footing the bill. Hello they are here to make money for themselves nothing else .

      People have tried to explain it to you countless times - you either donā€™t want to understand or as I suspect is closer to the truth you canā€™t understand
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      Reply #29720: Dec 19, 2021 09:37:09 am
      So our recent success, you think that's more down to FSG, than JĆ¼rgen? Obviously FSG have been a safe enough pair of hands, but people are trying to give them wayyy more credit than they are due, particularly when you look at the backing (or lack thereof) JĆ¼rgen got in the summer.
      Utd have plenty of cash, but are rubbish. Think they're chop their right arms off for a manager like ours. Its the foundation to build success on. Once in place, just back them.

      Thanks for the question, when you could have made a statement. Hereā€™s me clarification.

      Iā€™ve said we are having quite a moment with the match results and every little thing adds up. Youā€™ve asked if I think itā€™s down to more JĆ¼rgen or FSG.

      Iā€™ll be objective to say that a large part of the match results are down to JĆ¼rgen and the lads who put the ball into back of the net and minimising goals conceded themselves. Direct credit. Everybody plays a part including Pep, Peter, the physios etc. Theyā€™re paid to bring home the points and thatā€™s their role. Thatā€™s on-field success - what most of us are focused on anyway.

      Now, at the higher management level, theyā€™ve also done things that did add up. They havenā€™t exactly destroyed the club. More sponsorship revenue, more match day revenue (some of us are occupying the new seats and more of us have the opportunity to be there on match day). These were good things. They did disrespect us. Iā€™ll put that down to pissing off its customers. No business wants to chase customers away. However there was some level of service recovery. In life, one thing usually leads to another. The decision to sack  Brendan now starts to add up. If weā€™re going to be objective, theyā€™ve had success in generating higher revenue, success in hiring the right manager (who delivered results) and retaining him till 2024. Everybody has a part to play. Appoint a monkey or an owl as manager and our lives would be hell as well. Yes? Indirect credit for on-field results but direct credit for making the club financially stronger as seen in the recent financial reports. This is also why the market believes weā€™re worth Ā£3b. They added value to the club.

      Some extreme posts (not you reading this) Iā€™ve read are simply emotional to the extent that FSGā€™s appointment of Klopp and Mike Edwards is overlooked. If we recognise that player recruitment is important to our on-field results, then their success in recruiting Mike and JĆ¼rgen is evidence that they appointed the right people in the business that subsequently led us to where we are.

      Two models: 1) owner financed not for profit model and 2) a self-sustaining business that spends what it can earn.

      FSG is running on 2) and hired a brilliant manager who is able to compete with clubs running on 1). To go on 2) and be able to compete with clubs running on 1) is brilliant. For benefit of doubt, we have JĆ¼rgen who is doing a fantastic job. Imagine JĆ¼rgen operating on 1). We should be miles better than we are now. Agree but FSG decided to operate on 2). Itā€™s a management and owner decision. If the individual judges FSG that itā€™s a crime to operate on 2) then it is a crime to operate on 2). Everything else they do on 2) is indeed criminal. Iā€™ll rest me case if that is so.

      Iā€™d say where we are now is a result of all stakeholders (including us fans as customers) coming together to make our position today happen. JĆ¼rgen is very important in the overall picture as heā€™s the man who picks the lads who directly make the results happen. FSG will be walking away with Ā£3b if they found someone to pay up. Central to all these is their top level planning and execution to make the club worth Ā£3b. Their decisions (including adding seats) made our club Ā£3b. Matche results are whatā€™s important to us. But itā€™s not the only thing that lifts the valuation to Ā£3b. If success refers to off-field commercial business, then JĆ¼rgenā€™s role in this is much less.

      Remember that our revenue is Ā£500m. Matchday Ā£70m, Media Ā£200m and Sponsorship Ā£220m. Sponsorship is close to half of our revenue and JĆ¼rgen is not directly involved in this area. He might have some influence on media and matchday revenue for extra matches played at Anfield due to his CL and cup exploits. But in perspective JĆ¼rgen has a lot of on-field influence but off it, he accounts for less than half of our revenue. Weā€™re Ā£3b because all of us stakeholders chipped in. Not just JĆ¼rgen even though he is very important to us.

      If me was emotional, Iā€™d say ā€œyou ran us on 2), itā€™s criminal and you donā€™t deserve your Ā£3b.ā€ ;D

      Hope that clarifies.
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      Reply #29721: Dec 19, 2021 11:42:23 am
      By bringing in two Cbā€™s 🤷ā€ā™‚ļø

      And I'm still trying to work out what that Davies signing was all about!!
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      Reply #29722: Dec 19, 2021 11:44:20 am
      Ha ha ha ā€¦ only concern is the table this seasonā€¦

      Conveniently forgets last seasonā€¦😂

      As Ronnie Moran would of said last season is gone now all that matters is this season!!
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      Reply #29723: Dec 19, 2021 02:57:51 pm
      And I'm still trying to work out what that Davies signing was all about!!

      Iā€™m guessing he was expected to play more but Phillips and to a lesser extent Williams stepped up
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      Reply #29724: Dec 20, 2021 05:08:06 pm
      Iā€™m guessing he was expected to play more but Phillips and to a lesser extent Williams stepped up

      Not sure that was even the case, IMO it was a case of attempting to appease fans as cheaply as possible whilst having a bit of potential to make their money back on him. The fact that he was lucky to even make the bench and then barely played in Pre-Season too speaks volumes about his ability and who Klopp wanted in his team.
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      Reply #29725: Dec 20, 2021 08:17:04 pm
      Not sure that was even the case, IMO it was a case of attempting to appease fans as cheaply as possible whilst having a bit of potential to make their money back on him. The fact that he was lucky to even make the bench and then barely played in Pre-Season too speaks volumes about his ability and who Klopp wanted in his team.

      We needed to fill a need (healthy bodies) and the player we were after (Konate) was not available until the summer when we could trigger his release clause.

      This team doesnā€™t buy out of desperation and is willing to wait for the right players. Did it for Van Dijk, did it for Keita, did it for Konate. That this is still not understood boggles the mind.
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      Reply #29726: Dec 20, 2021 08:25:55 pm
      mate your wasting your time with him he has a shrine to FSG with John Henry bathed in Angelic light.

      Itā€™s sad that some people are more concerned with defending and shielding the owners from ANY criticism than engaging in honest debate about how they could be better owners.
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      Reply #29727: Dec 20, 2021 08:32:19 pm
      Itā€™s sad that some people are more concerned with defending and shielding the owners from ANY criticism than engaging in honest debate about how they could be better owners.

      Yet when it was mentioned that we stood up and walked out of a game in protest at ticket prices which was us actually doing something you dismissed it as nothing.

      Can you explain how that is ā€œshielding the owners from any criticismā€ ?


      What have you done about making them ā€œbetter ownersā€
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      Reply #29728: Dec 28, 2021 10:37:40 pm
      No doubt no financial support from our minge owners ā€¦again
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      Reply #29729: Dec 28, 2021 10:39:37 pm
      Just keep drinking from the milk cow eh
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      Reply #29730: Dec 28, 2021 10:40:17 pm
      Like clockworkā€¦

      FSG barrister & arse rimmer in chief no doubt will be defending robustlyā€¦ 😂
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      Reply #29731: Dec 28, 2021 10:44:03 pm
      And I'm still trying to work out what that Davies signing was all about!!

      Us needing a CB and the mingebags getting one that was for free
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      Reply #29732: Dec 28, 2021 10:46:00 pm
      We lose so hey presto this thread comes back to life
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      Reply #29733: Dec 28, 2021 10:47:47 pm
      Need to be careful that we don't go mad at them every time we drop points.

      I think we need some big investment though and that might not necessarily win us any more league titles either. But if we want to stay relevant and within the top 3 or 4 teams for years to come we will have to begin a rebuild of the squad soon.

      The age of our key players demands it.
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      Reply #29734: Dec 28, 2021 11:06:59 pm
      so are people saying that we dont need a Gerrard or a Souness or a Hughes. The problem is they come at a price and no we dont wait for players we buy players for economic reasons which is fine we have done well selling players for profit but if FSG want to own a competitive side then we need new blood .
      11 years has brought a League Cup a CL and a League title
      City 5 league titles 2 FA Cups 6 league Cups anyone see the difference? Money buys titles in this modern era. so either accept it and invest or dont try to piss on my leg and tell me its raining
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      Reply #29735: Dec 29, 2021 02:50:47 pm
      We lose so hey presto this thread comes back to life

      Funny how that works.

      And now that we have dropped points: we should have replaced Gini!

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      Reply #29736: Dec 29, 2021 04:52:54 pm
      anyone seen a bag with a load of cash in it float around Anfield area
      "The agreement will see RedBird invest $750m (Ā£538.6m) into FSG to enable them to continue operating at the cutting edge of Premier League football "
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      Reply #29737: Dec 29, 2021 05:33:57 pm
      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


      Imagine this thread coming alive again after points are dropped


      If only Henry hadnā€™t missed that penalty or Werner shot wildly over when one on one with the keeper.
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      Reply #29738: Dec 29, 2021 07:07:11 pm
      anyone seen a bag with a load of cash in it float around Anfield area
      "The agreement will see RedBird invest $750m (Ā£538.6m) into FSG to enable them to continue operating at the cutting edge of Premier League football "

      No donā€™t Lallana has banked it

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