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      The final battle

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      Alicus
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      The final battle
      Oct 29, 2010 12:51:32 pm
      Money issues solved; new owners who want to go forward with the club and re-unite it with the fans.. Sounds like a fresh start.

      Sadly it's not entirely fresh. We still have a negative minded manager who alienates both players and fans. His ego is getting way out of hand, and he is so un-Liverpool it's disgusting. Anyways to the point.. I think we should start one last email campaign, to NESV and the board and even the press. Hodgson needs to go. Would be nice if someone types up an email & includes all the recipients so we can get started with the finall blow for a new Liverpool.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #1: Oct 29, 2010 02:56:21 pm
      Sorry.  There is no way on Earth we are going to even contemplate some kind of email campaign against the manager on this forum.

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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #2: Oct 29, 2010 03:06:22 pm
      The opening poster asked me why I locked the topic as launching an email campaign was apparently a valid idea.

      So I have decided to unlock this topic to see what happens.
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      Reply #3: Oct 29, 2010 03:08:19 pm
      Thanks for unlocking, i realize the concept of making a campaign against a manager is at first sight somewhat inappropriate, but i don't really recognize Hodgson as a Liverpool manager. He has never done anything for us; he actually insulted our intelligence on several occasions. Alienated both us and the players. Plays with sh*t tactics, gets crappy results and then says we were outstanding when we get a goalless draw.

      We already made campaigns against the owners and they were forced out, and it was in order to move on with the club. So let's do it one last time, or do we want all these efforts gone for nothing?
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #4: Oct 29, 2010 03:09:28 pm
      I'm pretty sure the owners are aware of our concerns about woy.

      They are still getting settled in, but I would expect woy to be replaced sooner rather than later.

      then we'll see woy slagging us in the press.
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      Reply #5: Oct 29, 2010 03:09:53 pm
      For all I do not think Roy Hodgsonm is the man to lead us forward, an e-mail campaign would not sit too comfortably with the majority of fans and for that reason would not gain too much momentum or have a significant effect for that very reason.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #6: Oct 29, 2010 03:10:02 pm
      Can't agree with this to be honest.

      I'm out.
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      Reply #7: Oct 29, 2010 03:18:56 pm
      Booing is bad enough.  The chanting of Dalglish was moderately acceptable.

      Personally, I would never engage in any direct action campaign to remove a manager or player from the club.  It just isn't the Liverpool way of doing things.

      Liverpool have exceptionally high standards on the pitch to maintain an illustrious history.  The press and media deliver their verdict far more powerfully than we can in the form of the League Table. 

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      Reply #8: Oct 29, 2010 03:35:32 pm
      Yet we have committed to direct action against the owners, so why not against a manager who hasn't done sh*t for us?
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      Reply #9: Oct 29, 2010 03:37:47 pm
      Its a bit hypocritical to say that a email campaign would be direct when most comments directly ask him to be removed and we also have a poll asking if he is the rightman.
      I think it is a sign of how badly he has done that we are prepared to openly ask the board to remove him. I really hope that it doesnt come to that but as he has already stated he will NEVER resign ,if we  feel strongly enough about him leaving what other actions are open to us. If we loose the next couple of games which is a distinct possibilty we will be in sh*t street what then.
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      Reply #10: Oct 29, 2010 03:56:57 pm
      I think we should at least give him till December.

      I think we need a manager who plays attacking football, but getting rid of a manger this early into a campaign is just not the Liverpool way.
      For sure the new owners will want their own Manager and whether it will be this December or the summer will depend on the forthcoming results.

      If you look at the table we're 3 wins away from the top 4
      Arsenal, Man City and Man U. If we won those 3 we would be sitting there and no way is our squad better than theirs atm.

      So all(ahem) we need is to put a run together, and for Roy to get his act together and stop being so pessimistic!
      I think its a confidence issue heavily tainted by our negative tactics.

      I think Roy was always meant to be a stop gap manager until the new owner came in anyway.


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      Reply #11: Oct 29, 2010 03:59:18 pm
      Yet we have committed to direct action against the owners, so why not against a manager who hasn't done sh*t for us?

      There is a big difference between the past owners and our interim manager.
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      Reply #12: Oct 29, 2010 04:01:33 pm
      It's 100% disgusting I would have nothing to do with it and any Liverpool supporter who thinks this is a good idea is not a supporter in my opinion.
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      Reply #13: Oct 29, 2010 04:05:28 pm
      It's 100% disgusting I would have nothing to do with it and any Liverpool supporter who thinks this is a good idea is not a supporter in my opinion.

      And why may that be?

      I support Liverpool, the club. Liverpool FC. Not Hodgson FC.
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      Reply #14: Oct 29, 2010 04:11:15 pm
      TBH I think an email campaign would have to be a last resort tactic. While I agree that he is not the right man for the job and should be removed ASAP, I also think our owners will be more than aware of the fans opinion of him and our position in the table is pretty plain for all to see.

      NESV, I'm sure, will be already making moves behind closed doors to fix this current problem. They are quite shrewd business men after all and will not want the current situation to go on longer than necessary. They keep saying that they want us to be winners and they will be able to see for themselves Roy does not fit into this category.

      I think we should be a little more patient and give them time to rectify this issue before engaging in any such campaign.
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      Reply #15: Oct 29, 2010 04:19:09 pm
      It's a bit premature to be lining up such a campaign. We have all be expressive in our desire to have a higher calibre manager appointed at the club. The new owners seem to be doing there homework on all aspects of the club right now and as such should be given the time to make the crucial decisions.

      Some on here have already been in contact with those close to J Henry, so I would say have some patience. Things will come right for us
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #16: Oct 29, 2010 04:26:57 pm
      I'm hoping we've seen the back of email campaigns for a long long time. If we're going to launch one every time we see something we don't like in the club then we will indeed become an 'irritating noise' and they would become completely ineffective anyway. I just want to go back to the old ways of having a good bi*ch about things between fans and trusting in the owners to do the right thing.
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      Reply #17: Oct 29, 2010 04:30:05 pm
      It's a bit premature to be lining up such a campaign. We have all be expressive in our desire to have a higher calibre manager appointed at the club. The new owners seem to be doing there homework on all aspects of the club right now and as such should be given the time to make the crucial decisions.

      Some on here have already been in contact with those close to J Henry, so I would say have some patience. Things will come right for us

      It took nearly  3 years of sitting around to get shut  of Hicks and Gillette will you be happy for Roy to be here in 3 years.
      I am uneasy about a direct approach but given the number of postings calling him allsorts of bafoons ( my particular favourite) it doesnt seem to far a stretch to ask for him to be removed as if they (the owners )check any of the forums they will see 75%+ want him out.
      If the owners continue their vow of silence I can see things getting very vocal and direct by the Chelsea game if Bolton turn us over tomorrow.
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      Reply #18: Oct 29, 2010 04:32:06 pm
      No way i would do this, granted we are not where we want to be but such a campaign at this time is not the answer. i,m out.
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      Reply #19: Oct 29, 2010 04:32:49 pm
      The campaign against the owners was necessary, because they were at the top of the totem pole and were responsible for the heap of sh*t we found our club in.  However, new owners have been tasked with the responsibility of taking the club forward.  I don't feel Roy is the right man for the job, but I am behind the team 100% and want to see us win every time we take the field.  If NESV relieves Roy of his post, they will do so when the time is right.  I am giving my backing to them to make the right decisions to take the club forward.  If they do not uphold their end of the bargain, then we can resort to protests and email campaigns.  Until then, get behind the team, the staff, and the owners and show them why LFC fans are the best fans in the world!

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      Reply #20: Oct 29, 2010 04:45:26 pm
      No way should we resort to this type of action, We are Liverpool FC, we do not force anyone from our club,With the exception of H & G, Roy has to be given the benefit of the doubt as far as the new owners are concerned and i think they will do just that, how can we say we stand above all other fans if we go down this route, this is yet another example of the new type of fan that seem to be establishing themselves with this club, no disrespect Alicus but that is not the Liverpool way, you do make some good points however and most will agree with your sentiments including myself, but this is purely down to the owners and we must trust them to deliver the right decision whenever that happens, until then tho we still have to back our manager despite our feelings towards his methods, i am most definately against this type of action. YNWA
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      Reply #21: Oct 29, 2010 04:48:02 pm
      Hey - If you want to take direct action against a manager thats your call... I dont like Woy, im not his biggert fan. I did think it could work, but hell, we have all been wrong before!

      I can slate the owners, investors, banks and potiential backers - but the manager? Thats too far for me, I just couldnt stomach that.

      In my best Duncan Bannatine - Im out
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      Reply #22: Oct 29, 2010 04:52:15 pm
      Just spray paint the walls outside melwood!

      Nesv know what the fans are capable of and going about an email campaign to get shot of woy will certainley undermime what they are trying to achieve.

      Put it this way before the takeover was announced do you not think they done thier homework of woy and what the fans felt towards his appointment.

      This one is for nesv to call.
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      Reply #23: Oct 29, 2010 04:52:44 pm
      I am really glad that the majority of you guys are against such actions. I also thing that this would not be the right thing to do. There is a line between boycotting the owners and the team. Although we all do not like Roy, he is part of the team, we may have different views on tactics, style, performance but we can not start campaigns for such things.
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      Reply #24: Oct 29, 2010 04:55:48 pm
      Does not sit well with me either but again reinforces the need for supporter representation on the board, we are the fans and should have a say in our club. While I believe NESV have a great business pedigree they do not have a clue about football and I believe Henry admitted as much, they need help and the fans should represent part of the planning and decision making process, we should be a stakeholder in this.
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      Reply #25: Oct 29, 2010 05:01:23 pm
      new owners who want to go forward with the club and re-unite it with the fans..

      Precisely.

      So let the new owners do their job, and hire the right manager at the right time.


      Count me well and truly out.
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      Reply #26: Oct 29, 2010 05:37:42 pm
      IMO, doing so (the e-mail campaign against Roy) is not help much, even could making us look worse for other people around the world (not Liverpool supporters) so like many opinions above, give our new owner a bit more time for them to decide on this. I did not believe the new owner now happy with Roy's performance on the pitch the same we the fans do.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #27: Oct 29, 2010 05:45:18 pm
      Precisely.

      So let the new owners do their job, and hire the right manager at the right time.


      Count me well and truly out.


      When is the right time though? That's the problem, I am truly scared of the damage he will do this club, should he still be here in January. He's already speaking on the Echo as spending "big", and god knows how many players he will of get rid of, so he can bring in yet more 30plus Fulham type players. While I don't agree with an e-mail campaign, I can see something kicking off, if he isn't removed soon.   
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #28: Oct 29, 2010 05:47:46 pm
      Why we are at it let's send an email saying who should start every game , why stop there let's decide who we want to buy and bombard them until they give in. How about who should be on the subs bench let's have full control F**k it.

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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #29: Oct 29, 2010 05:47:49 pm
      Hodgson at the very most will be here till the Summer I suspect though he will be gone by January. No need for this.
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      Reply #30: Oct 29, 2010 05:56:54 pm
      When is the right time though? That's the problem, I am truly scared of the damage he will do this club, should he still be here in January. He's already speaking on the Echo as spending "big", and god knows how many players he will of get rid of, so he can bring in yet more 30plus Fulham type players. While I don't agree with an e-mail campaign, I can see something kicking off, if he isn't removed soon.   

      Fair point.

      If he is still here after January/at the end of the season, something like this will be a lot more reasonable that it is right now.

      And I know i'll get knocked for this, but Roy's potential impact on the January transfer market is being HUGELY blown out of proportion. Our most important additions will most likely be next summer. And assuming that our targets are all "30plus Fulham type players" isn't just showing a lack of faith in Hodgson, it's also showing a lack of faith in all of the club scouts and the new owners. Assuming he will go for the same players now when he has reasonable funds, as he did when he had virtually no funds, is something i think even Roy isn't stupid enough to do.

      I'm not a hodgson supporter. But I am not willing to start bombarding our brand new owners, who have stated already that they will do what is right for the club and what the fans want, with these type of campaigns.


      I know its infuriating, and Hodgson clearly isnt the man for our future. But try and have some patience with NESV, I'm confident they will do what is right.
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      Reply #31: Oct 29, 2010 05:59:42 pm
      When is the right time though? That's the problem, I am truly scared of the damage he will do this club, should he still be here in January. He's already speaking on the Echo as spending "big", and god knows how many players he will of get rid of, so he can bring in yet more 30plus Fulham type players. While I don't agree with an e-mail campaign, I can see something kicking off, if he isn't removed soon.   

      I wouldn't get involved in a campaign but I echo the concerns.  I would guess Roy has a list of distinctly average transfer targets along the lines of Poulsen and Konchesky (e.g. Carlton Cole) and this cannot be allowed to happen.

      I'd much rather Mr Henry be alerted to our feelings about a certain Mr Aquilani returning!
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #32: Oct 29, 2010 06:01:21 pm
      Lazy. You want someone else to get the e-mail address, and format a letter for your idea. FFS!

      No this is ridiculas, never heard the like.

      JD was 100% spot on. This should be locked and deleted.
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      Reply #33: Oct 29, 2010 06:10:25 pm
      I don't think Hodgson is the right man for us but I am totally against an email campaign to get rid of him.

      It's the owners job to appoint the best man for the job and the League Table will not lie, even if we do have to be patiant. I would rather they got a new manager in pretty soon who will build for the future but I'm sure if we are still in this position at Decemeber the owners will act accordingly.

      An email campaign against the owners was right as they were destroying the club but Roy is only doing the job he was appointed to do to the best of his ability. I don't think for one minute that he is not trying to get the team to do well it's just his methods are clearly not right for this club.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #34: Oct 29, 2010 06:13:50 pm
      This is completely wrong and is not the Liverpool way. Where are your principles man?
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      Reply #35: Oct 29, 2010 06:19:30 pm
      For all I do not think Roy Hodgsonm is the man to lead us forward, an e-mail campaign would not sit too comfortably with the majority of fans and for that reason would not gain too much momentum or have a significant effect for that very reason.

      Exactly.
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      Reply #36: Oct 29, 2010 06:22:51 pm
      Think it would be totally wrong to start any sort of campaign against RH, although fully realising he is not the right person for the Liverpool manager's position patience is virtue until the right choice is made, by the new owners.
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      Reply #37: Oct 29, 2010 06:51:22 pm
      There is a big difference between the past owners and our interim manager.

      and.....

      Precisely.

      So let the new owners do their job, and hire the right manager at the right time.


      Count me well and truly out.


      Sooner rather than later.

      The email campaign was righteous, Hodgson will dig his own hole of mediocrity by being just that.
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      Reply #38: Oct 29, 2010 07:10:14 pm
      An email campaign to prevent Hicks refinancing? Proud to say I was part of that.
      An email campaign to get rid of our manager...? No way.  No matter how bad he is.
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      Reply #39: Oct 29, 2010 07:15:33 pm
      If they are as pro active as they say the owners will already know what most fans think of him and they will already know his limitations, he will be brought down by his own actions and words, he already makes himself out to look like a tit with his comments ,they wont need our help to get rid of him, with a bit of luck that process is under way already, although i dont think it will be any time soon.

      count me out.   
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      Reply #40: Oct 29, 2010 07:17:25 pm
      I think the idea of starting an email campain to oust the manager (whom I don't think is the right man ) is also very "un-Liverpool like". I cannot support this action, I'm out.

      I don't hate the man but he' not good enough for us. The owners will see this.
      « Last Edit: Oct 29, 2010 07:37:49 pm by ORCHARD RED »
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      Reply #41: Oct 29, 2010 07:28:28 pm
      Pretty much echoing what everyone else has said.  It's a no from me, keep monitoring the situation for now but I'm confident NESV will handle this the right way.  He'll be gone in a few weeks max.
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      Reply #42: Oct 29, 2010 07:31:33 pm
      I was one of the first to tell people to support him before he made decisions. But you are right to critise him and i will back you and your idea. But starting a campaign against him isn't right. We knoe that that is not the way of lfc.

      NESV know the situation with our manager but they won't rush decision before they are 100% sure, and I agree with it.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #43: Oct 29, 2010 08:49:52 pm
      I think we should at least give him till December.

      I think we need a manager who plays attacking football, but getting rid of a manger this early into a campaign is just not the Liverpool way.
      For sure the new owners will want their own Manager and whether it will be this December or the summer will depend on the forthcoming results.

      If you look at the table we're 3 wins away from the top 4
      Arsenal, Man City and Man U. If we won those 3 we would be sitting there and no way is our squad better than theirs atm.

      So all(ahem) we need is to put a run together, and for Roy to get his act together and stop being so pessimistic!
      I think its a confidence issue heavily tainted by our negative tactics.

      I think Roy was always meant to be a stop gap manager until the new owner came in anyway.




      That's only if we are winning, and everyone between us and fourth are losing !
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #44: Oct 29, 2010 09:09:43 pm
      John Henry is no fool ,he will be monitoring the way the players perform and how they are managed ,it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise this job is too big for Roy ...think he may be the recipient of an e-mail from John Henry ....bye Roy
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      Reply #45: Oct 29, 2010 10:40:27 pm
      I personally think he will be gone before the Jan window comes along..

      I am pretty sure John W Henry is aware of our opinions againsts him....

      Matter of time people...
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      Reply #46: Oct 29, 2010 10:49:28 pm
      Totally agree, monitor things - we'll show any discontent with matters on the pitch at the time anyway - let the owners do their job..simples
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      Reply #47: Oct 30, 2010 12:27:30 am
      Hodgson may be a tit of the highest order but as long as he sits in the manager's chair he deserves to be treated with decorum.

      On top of that, Liverpool fans of all people don't treat their own in such a way. If we did go for it and he got sacked we'd all end up looking like a right bunch of fickle, plastic c**ts.
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      Reply #48: Oct 30, 2010 12:46:37 am
      There's only one way out of this "final battle". We have a troop abroad who needs to come "home":
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHC7lIfvk4
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #49: Oct 30, 2010 12:48:41 am
      Woy said he will never resign and I believe his word. Why? because i can think of only one time when he has not been fired from a job (I mean with a decent club in a competitive league) and that's with fulham. Other than that he has mostly been fired. I guess he wants the firing streak to continue and anyway if he resigned then he would have to settle for little or no compensation and at Woy's age such comforts cannot and should not be easily given away.
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      Reply #50: Oct 30, 2010 12:49:39 am
      Maybe They cant find anyone better or whom they are comfortable with to lead the team to replace RH.
      Even The King has some pros and cons. The big negative would be he hasnt been taking charge of a club since very long?
      IF too long, playing and management style changes some said before.

      To me the best currently would be Hindink. small team low budget, max output. Damn i liked his Psv, where Pak jin song was bought by the scums from there.
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      Reply #51: Oct 30, 2010 03:57:40 am
      There's only one way out of this "final battle". We have a troop abroad who needs to come "home":
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHC7lIfvk4

      People like you are fast becoming laughable objects on this forum. Yes he was the good guy, but please this massive 'Rafa love in' campaign is now becoming sickly.

      It's not going to happen. F**k the past. Embrace the future.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #52: Oct 30, 2010 04:09:37 am
      As much as I love Rafa, we need a new manager we can fall in love with. Rafa is great and will forever be a legend, but why can't we have a new Rafa?
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #53: Oct 30, 2010 04:31:13 am
      Why we are at it let's send an email saying who should start every game , why stop there let's decide who we want to buy and bombard them until they give in. How about who should be on the subs bench let's have full control f**k it.



      You hit the nail on the head.  We made history when we managed to throw the owners out of the club. We told the world that anything is possible.  To start to abuse our passions will weaken this great tool for the future if our LONG TERM FUTURE is in serious jeapordy. 

      I hope Roy Hodgson is gone before i post this message, but this isn't the way to get rid of him.  In the last month we have made history the measures that have been taken will hopefully never need to be taken again.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #54: Oct 30, 2010 05:24:29 am
      Hodgson may be a tit of the highest order but as long as he sits in the manager's chair he deserves to be treated with decorum.

      On top of that, Liverpool fans of all people don't treat their own in such a way. If we did go for it and he got sacked we'd all end up looking like a right bunch of fickle, plastic c**ts.

      So if Sam F***ing Allardyce was sitting in our chair, would we suddenly treat him with decorum?! F**k THAT! I hate this "If they are here they deserve our respect" - THEY HAVE TO F***ing EARN IT!!! :mad:

      Yes, the Liverpool way is to give people a chance. I think i can speak for eveyrone, or most, that even those of us very unhappy with the appointment of Hodgson were all willing to give the man a chance.

      Well he got that. And what has he done with that chance? He has completely and utterly fu**ed IT UP. He has plauyd the shittest football i have ever seen as a suuporter of the team, and he has said all the wrong things and shown zero undertsanding of what this club means to those in Liverpool and arround the world. Hell, i think my manc mate knows more about Liverpool supporters than Hodgson F***ing does.

      He earnt himself a period of support when he stepped into the hot seat, as every manahger does. He completely fu**ed it up, and now deserves no respect at all unless he earns it. Which, on current evidence, i cant see him doing that.

      I would gladly walk into the office myself and tell him to F**k right off and never set foot in the club again. It would give me pleasure almost on sexual levels, thats how F***ing much i would love it. I hate the guy right now.

      HOWEVER

      I do not believe an email campaign against members of the team, including the manager, are warrented. Honestly, that kind of action to me is reserved for things like the owners we have jst gone through. Email campaigns against managers would just be taking the power we garnered too far.

      Our new owners im fairly confident have got things going on behind the scenes. And if it doesn;t improve on the field, im sure as hell Anfield itself will let them know what we want on game days.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #55: Oct 30, 2010 08:51:00 am
      I've stated before that I won't be actively calling for Roy's head. I certainly wouldn't put my weight behind an e-mail campaign to get rid of him (much as I believe he's wrong for our club) - I just wouldn't feel right.
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      Reply #56: Oct 30, 2010 09:18:59 am
      slagging off the manager and players is bad enough and not the liverpool way

      now email campaign wanted against the manager what kind of reds are you,

      embarrassing it is
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #57: Oct 30, 2010 09:24:21 am
      I've stated before that I won't be actively calling for Roy's head. I certainly wouldn't put my weight behind an e-mail campaign to get rid of him (much as I believe he's wrong for our club) - I just wouldn't feel right.

      What he said.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #58: Oct 30, 2010 10:36:00 am
      I really don't think an email campaign against the manager is the Liverpool way. Even though Hodgson is nothing like what we expect a Liverpool manager to be, I don't think it's how we should ever act against 'one of the holy trinity'.

      The media would have a field day if we had an email campaign to sack the manager.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #59: Oct 30, 2010 10:44:31 am
      JD was 100% spot on. This should be locked and deleted.
      I think leaving it open was the best thing to do. Now it's plain for all to see that those who would be willing to take part in such action are in a tiny minority and it's not just a bad idea because JD says so.
      Hopefully now anyone with similar ideas will read this thread and realise it's a non-starter.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #60: Oct 30, 2010 11:06:33 am
      From what Ive seen of JH so far, is that when and not if he gets rid of Woy then his replacement will have already been interviewed and selected. I don't think we are going to witness much knee jerk antics from JH & Co Inc.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #61: Oct 30, 2010 02:48:46 pm
      ;D - This forum/thread is like the People's Front of Judea.......discussions about discussing topics, polls and plans of actions without anything ever getting achieved. Farcical, to say the least!
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #62: Oct 30, 2010 02:50:26 pm
      ;D - This forum/thread is like the People's Front of Judea.......discussions about discussing topics, polls and plans of actions without anything ever getting achieved. Farcical, to say the least!

      And you're Brian!!
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #63: Oct 30, 2010 04:37:12 pm
      From what Ive seen of JH so far, is that when and not if he gets rid of Woy then his replacement will have already been interviewed and selected. I don't think we are going to witness much knee jerk antics from JH & Co Inc.
      Making a decision based on the fact we are 3rd bottom of the league after 9 games with our worst points total and a goal diff of -5 is  nnot a knee jerk reaction.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #64: Oct 30, 2010 04:49:33 pm
      can"t stand the w**ker myself but let the owners decide ,they"ve given him a vote of confidence for the time being ,i dont think us stirring the sh*t will help at the moment ,especially if we start winning.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #65: Oct 30, 2010 04:53:44 pm
      There's only one way out of this "final battle". We have a troop abroad who needs to come "home":
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHC7lIfvk4

      A "troop"? What the Hell is a troop?

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      People like you are fast becoming laughable objects on this forum. Yes he was the good guy, but please this massive 'Rafa love in' campaign is now becoming sickly.

      It's not going to happen. F**k the past. Embrace the future."

      Well said Frank.
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      Reply #66: Oct 30, 2010 04:58:40 pm
      I'm pretty sure the owners are aware of our concerns about woy.

      They are still getting settled in, but I would expect woy to be replaced sooner rather than later.

      then we'll see woy slagging us in the press.

      Either way- he gets sacked.

      Then slaggs us off anyway for not being `patient!`
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #67: Oct 30, 2010 05:24:16 pm
      ;D - This forum/thread is like the People's Front of Judea.......discussions about discussing topics, polls and plans of actions without anything ever getting achieved. Farcical, to say the least!

      Nothing achieved??? Do we or do we not have new owners?
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #68: Oct 30, 2010 05:31:27 pm
      Nothing achieved??? Do we or do we not have new owners?
      Ignore him, he's on a wind up!
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      Reply #69: Oct 30, 2010 07:43:50 pm
      Never actively campaign against someone at LFC who have not intentionally done any wrong doing to the club or the fans.

      Reira and the Yanks obviously do not fit the above criteria. Sadly, Hodgson does. Sing Rafa's name. Sing Kenny's name. Do not sing Roy's name. Booing is borderline and not something I agree with personally.
      « Last Edit: Oct 30, 2010 07:54:19 pm by LFC-LCFC »
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #70: Oct 30, 2010 08:13:31 pm
      ;D - This forum/thread is like the People's Front of Judea.......discussions about discussing topics, polls and plans of actions without anything ever getting achieved. Farcical, to say the least!

      :roll:

      You have no idea, do you? I do not at all agree with this particular point of action, but to say nothing has been achieved?! You obviously w*nk off to your sky subscription and take all of it as gospel eh? Got yourself a Norwich scarf yet?
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #71: Oct 30, 2010 08:26:59 pm
      ;D - This forum/thread is like the People's Front of Judea.......discussions about discussing topics, polls and plans of actions without anything ever getting achieved. Farcical, to say the least!
      Another muppet on here trying to stir it. Do one you tw*t.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #72: Oct 30, 2010 09:38:19 pm
      Whatever we feel about Hodgson they are a few points to consider...

      We are only two weeks in from our greatest victory... getting rid finally of the wrong owners for this club.
      This is not a time or place to transfer our blood lust onto an individual.

      We are not his employers NESV are. They will be only too aware of Hodgson's performance to date.

      They will be also only too aware of getting all the info and buzz going, so it is clear to them what we think of RH. Look at the Poll and the votes on here.

      They will be only too aware of the financial ramifications to the club if a Contract is terminated.

      They will be only too aware of the greater  financial ramifications to the club if a Contract is not terminated if league position is at risk.

      We dont know the Contract.
      We are only second guessing Martin Broughtons comments.  If the date of the expiry of the break clause is as I have entered below on the "signature" line and to not take decisive action could risk us our Premiership position or even an outside chance of getting a CL berth then I have every confidence that they will take it.
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      Reply #73: Oct 30, 2010 09:48:07 pm
      Yet we have committed to direct action against the owners, so why not against a manager who hasn't done sh*t for us?

      The 'owners' did not care if they destroyed the club, the same can not be said for Hodgson.  I'm far from impressed with his tactics so far and gutted to see us in the bottom three, but Hodgson is not willfully trying to wreck the club I love.  For me, it's a question of intent.  If a person walks up to me and punches me, I'm likely to be mightily pissed off; if somebody accidentally bumps into me and apologises, my reaction will be very different.  To be honest, the idea of an email campaign against Hodgson is embarrassing.  This club had a history of handling itself with decorum and class; the Hicks and Gilette era changed that, we were forced to act to save our club, and that was messy but necessary.  Now is the time to restore our club as one that people respect and admire.  Some tacky and disproportionate email campaign against the manager isn't the Liverpool way. 

      If Hodgson continues to fail, despite his best efforts, then I'm confident he will be sacked, and that may well be the best thing for us, but I will definitely not be part of some clumsy campaign against him.
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      Reply #74: Oct 30, 2010 09:52:14 pm
      ;D - This forum/thread is like the People's Front of Judea.......discussions about discussing topics, polls and plans of actions without anything ever getting achieved. Farcical, to say the least!

      The People's Front of Judea!  Fark orf, we're the Judean People's Front!
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #75: Oct 30, 2010 11:36:13 pm
      The People's Front of Judea!  Fark orf, we're the Judean People's Front!
      About right mate,but surely is it not Scal Quaeda?
      Whatever we feel about Hodgson they are a few points to consider...

      We are only two weeks in from our greatest victory... getting rid finally of the wrong owners for this club.
      This is not a time or place to transfer our blood lust onto an individual.

      We are not his employers NESV are. They will be only too aware of Hodgson's performance to date.

      They will be also only too aware of getting all the info and buzz going, so it is clear to them what we think of RH. Look at the Poll and the votes on here.

      They will be only too aware of the financial ramifications to the club if a Contract is terminated.

      They will be only too aware of the greater  financial ramifications to the club if a Contract is not terminated if league position is at risk.

      We dont know the Contract.
      We are only second guessing Martin Broughtons comments.  If the date of the expiry of the break clause is as I have entered below on the "signature" line and to not take decisive action could risk us our Premiership position or even an outside chance of getting a CL berth then I have every confidence that they will take it.
      Mates this is not a battle,the incompetent old tw*t will hang himself.No need to abuse our beliefs for this nomark.
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      Reply #76: Oct 31, 2010 12:32:10 am
      Mates this is not a battle,the incompetent old tw*t will hang himself.

      Agree. He is doing it
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #77: Oct 31, 2010 12:38:58 am
      Skip mate ,we all know who the "warriors" are,so I have no problem in backing off until we are needed.
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      Reply #78: Oct 31, 2010 01:11:52 am
      So we are marching to the Reebok stadium in protest against Roy....  :f_whistle:  :f_whistle:

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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #79: Oct 31, 2010 06:19:15 am
      I think leaving it open was the best thing to do. Now it's plain for all to see that those who would be willing to take part in such action are in a tiny minority and it's not just a bad idea because JD says so.
      Hopefully now anyone with similar ideas will read this thread and realise it's a non-starter.
      That was the best way to see how we, the fans, feel.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #80: Oct 31, 2010 06:38:23 am
      I'm not his biggest fan, in fact i'm one of his biggest haters, but i wouldn't feel comfortable getting involved in something like this.

      We're fans and supporters and have been taught how to deal with things.

      On the forum we can air our opinions and such but a direct campaign against a manager is demeaning and 'playing God' in a way. Doesn't sit right with me.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #81: Oct 31, 2010 07:40:44 am
      Maybe a poll would put this topic to bed once and for all!
      Wonder how that would go?? :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #82: Oct 31, 2010 09:18:04 am
      I've been informed this morning that there will be no change in the management or coaching staff at the club until the boardroom has been fully assembled. NESV do not want to jump the gun on any footballing decisions without having the appropriate people in place to assist in making such decisions as any changes they make at the club, will obviously have a direct impact on the future success they hope to achieve both on the field and off it.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #83: Oct 31, 2010 10:46:37 am
      I honestly believe that his poor results speak for themselves and unfortunately for the team and the supporters, Roy may be found out far too late.  The fact we are languishing down the bottom of the table is surely as much the players fault as the managers in some cases?
      I have been to games where the players strolled round looking so disinterested (Blackpool, Everton for instance) and it annoyed me that much I left early.
      Is that the manager's fault?  Not sure but it can't help when he looks tactically naive and out of his depth, lying to the media about "best performances" when to anyone with eyes knows they were awful.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #84: Oct 31, 2010 10:48:20 am
      I've been informed this morning that there will be no change in the management or coaching staff at the club until the boardroom has been fully assembled. NESV do not want to jump the gun on any footballing decisions without having the appropriate people in place to assist in making such decisions as any changes they make at the club, will obviously have a direct impact on the future success they hope to achieve both on the field and off it.

      Who sponsors your dreams blood?
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      Reply #85: Oct 31, 2010 11:05:16 am
      I've been informed this morning that there will be no change in the management or coaching staff at the club until the boardroom has been fully assembled. NESV do not want to jump the gun on any footballing decisions without having the appropriate people in place to assist in making such decisions as any changes they make at the club, will obviously have a direct impact on the future success they hope to achieve both on the field and off it.

      She has you whipped  :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #86: Oct 31, 2010 11:44:44 am
      Skip mate ,we all know who the "warriors" are,so I have no problem in backing off until we are needed.

      Aye. Keep our powder dry for now.
      A proud member of Scal Qaeda to another.
      I salute you Sir.
       ;D
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #87: Oct 31, 2010 01:03:43 pm
      We don't need an e-mail campaign against Woy, for the simple reason he's doing a fine job of F***ing things up on his own.

      Everytime the old fart speaks he's just digging his grave further.
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      Re: The final battle
      Reply #88: Nov 14, 2010 01:26:56 am
      I decided to bump this up, as I was thinking about it today.

      I don't really feel comfortable getting involved in something like this, but I now believe that some sort of action has to be taken by us - the supporters - to get him out, given JH's recent comments about having 'no issues' with Hodgson as manager. It's certainly a fine dilemma.

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