Changing Managers' after a third of the season.

I am no fan of Roy, but he has a decent CV as a manager. He's managed Inter Milan whose standing in Italy/Europe is similar to LFC. He has done a useless job to datebut is not a useless manager. He won accolades for his coaching at Fulham.Mancini is a damn good manager but has been crap/sh*te/sh*t  at Mancity. Other than 'arry at Spurs ( and remember he came in after just 3 or 4 games) not too many clubs have enjoyed huge success by sacking a manager mid season. Note I use the word "huge success" as opposed to just success.

Look at Rafa in Seria A. He inherited a team that won the treble and he is 6th. No typo 5th in Serie A, 6 points behind the leaders and the great Napoli are ahead of Inter in the league. Not to mention the whooping Spurs gave him in Champions League a couple of  weeks ago.
To be clear, I don't think Roy is anything but a failure to date as coach of mighty LFC. Not having Alonso ( remember our slide down the table commenced last season) and Mash cannot be helpful. Lot's of hype re Joe Cole signing, reality is he was sub/squad player, not a starter at Chelski.

Finally, I wake up in a cold sweat when I read the posts to appoint King Kenny as Manager. Maybe the greatest LFC player of all time, but he hasn't managed in 2 decades. I'm reminded at the debacle at Newcastle. First bringing Kevin Keegan back after he hadn't managed in decades and when that failed ( remember the results before he quit) and rather than learning from that experience they hire King Alan Shearer as coach. And surprise,theyget relegated. Knee jerk descisions generally bring worse outcomes.

Who is available ? Best we could hope for is Guus to combine his International job with being manager of LFC, just like at Chelski when they fired Big Phil. My guess is most supporters have accepted that a mid table finish is the best we can hope for this season. The new owners are very professional operators. As we know, they are scouring the globe for a professional CEO.  They are no doubt getting advice on the top coaches aroud the globe. So, bottom line is changing Roy/Woy mid season is a recipe for disaster ( new coach WILL NOT get us Champions League Spot this season) and hiring King Kenny as interimn manager might take us down the path that Newcastle experienced 2 seasons ago

If we changed now and brought Kenny in the momentum and general feelgood factor created would in itself almost win 3 points on Saturday and continue on for a few weeks. That brings you towards the transfer window were we can strengten the team.

We cant keep this up as it is. Ill read its not the Liverpool way well guess what neither is the sh*te were getting on the field neither is mid table mediocrity. And the crap that went on the last 3 years wasnt the Liverpool way so that doesnt come into the argument for me

Change it now

Tottenham didnt do too bad after appointing Harry.The beauty of appointing Kenny is he is a shoe in no need to get up to speed learning how the club is run. It is such an absolute no brainer for me but obviously for our new owners its a bit too much of a problem to grasp.

Actually Spurs had 2 points after 8 games when Harry Redknapp came in, and he completely transformed them.  He brought in decent players in that January transfer window and they finished in the top half of the table.

Not only would Kenny lift everybody at the club, I'd trust him a lot more with money to spend in January.  Or else we'd be looking at the likes of Carlton Cole and Chris Brunt to change our season under Hodgson.

Give Kenny the job before Hodgson completely destroys our season.

I am no fan of Roy, but he has a decent CV as a manager. He's managed Inter Milan whose standing in Italy/Europe is similar to LFC. He has done a useless job to datebut is not a useless manager. He won accolades for his coaching at Fulham.Mancini is a damn good manager but has been crap/sh*te/sh*t  at Mancity. Other than 'arry at Spurs ( and remember he came in after just 3 or 4 games) not too many clubs have enjoyed huge success by sacking a manager mid season. Note I use the word "huge success" as opposed to just success. Look at Rafa in Seria A. He inherited a team that won the treble and he is 6th. No typo 5th in Serie A, 6 points behind the leaders and the great Napoli are ahead of Inter in the league. Not to mention the whooping Spurs gave him in Champions League a couple of  weeks ago.
To be clear, I don't think Roy is anything but a failure to date as coach of mighty LFC. Not having Alonso ( remember our slide down the table commenced last season) and Mash cannot be helpful. Lot's of hype re Joe Cole signing, reality is he was sub/squad player, not a starter at Chelski.
Finally, I wake up in a cold sweat when I read the posts to appoint King Kenny as Manager. Maybe the greatest LFC player of all time, but he hasn't managed in 2 decades. I'm reminded at the debacle at Newcastle. First bringing Kevin Keegan back after he hadn't managed in decades and when that failed ( remember the results before he quit) and rather than learning from that experience they hire King Alan Shearer as coach. And surprise,theyget relegated. Knee jerk descisions generally bring worse outcomes. Who is available ? Best we could hope for is Guus to combine his International job with being manager of LFC, just like at Chelski when they fired Big Phil. My guess is most supporters have accepted that a mid table finish is the best we can hope for this season. The new owners are very professional operators. As we know, they are scouring the globe for a professional CEO.  They are no doubt getting advice on the top coaches aroud the globe. So, bottom line is changing Roy/Woy mid season is a recipe for disaster ( new coach WILL NOT get us Champions League Spot this season) and hiring King Kenny as interimn manager might take us down the path that Newcastle experienced 2 seasons ago

I stopped reading after that. He has not got a decent CV as a manager, not for a club our size anyway!!

His CV read manager for 35 years won fuckall and Purslow said your the man for me.

Give Kenny the job before Hodgson completely destroys our season.

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I wouldn't normally think this was a good idea, but in saying that we've never had a Manager as sh*te as Hodgson before.

I heard we offered him to Tranmere and their response was, "It's sound, we've got our Physio".

We can't do much worse than we are at present, can we?  A new manager may not get us into 4th, but then again neither will Roy.

The comparisons to Newcastle are just silly - our team is much better than theirs was.

We've played a third of our season in the Premier League.

You note that not many clubs have achieved huge success after removing a manager mid-season.  That is indeed true.

Unfortunately, we are at the stage were we need to remove the manager to avoid a car crash of a season.  It is still, just, possible to get in to the top four, or even a Europa League spot for next year.

If we leave Roy in charge till January it will be too late.

Spurs, Villa and Newcastle are 3 of our 4 next games.  It could get very messy if we decide to invite those teams on to us for 90 minutes.

This is all new ground for us ridiculing our Manager but he is just so wrong for the club its hard to believe that the owners dont have doubts about his contiuing Media faux-pas.How do we make it clear to JH that this man is doing damage to his investment maybe that would wake them up where is our full time Chairman Tom Werner his only comment so far was about the 39th game.
We need these new people to get a grip and it starts by getting shut of Roy and bringing in Kenny on an interim basis to the end of the season and if he is upto it as I believe he is then appoint him full time. Its just that simple.

I stopped reading after that. He has not got a decent CV as a manager, not for a club our size anyway!!

Roy actually has a pretty sh*te CV in fairness. His media reputation + nationality are of greater benefit to him than his CV. Because he is friends with Alex Ferguson Sky love him and it gets him by really. He is faultless in many media sources' eyes. It's just not good enough. His biggest achievement is getting Fulham to the Europa League Final, getting to the final, not winning it. It's a second rate competition for crying out loud. Granted, the standard has improved a bit over the years but at the end of the day, it's still second rate. He didn't even win it. Even if he did, 1 trophy win doesn't make him a better manager.

Like his CV is based on what? Managing Inter, Blackburn and a few countries. He won F**k all there so it doesn't matter who he played for. Does it mean that a journeyman who played for a few top clubs is a world beater? no.

It is also pretty obvious that Purslow did not do his homework when appointing a successor to Rafa. It's like a foreigner to the sport came in, and looked for the flavour of the month, though 'hey, he must be good if everyone is talking about him' and appointed him. Did not check his background and showed that he has failed at any big club he has managed.

There were plenty other, better managers available. Guss Hiddink for example, he had 4 months at Chelsea and still managed to win a trophy in the FA Cup.

In a nutshell, Roy's CV is not good. he has 35 years of crap. We've heard of the media over-hyping a player, something Sky are geniuses at, surely it's the same case with Roy.

If we changed now and brought Kenny in the momentum and general feelgood factor created would in itself almost win 3 points on Saturday and continue on for a few weeks. That brings you towards the transfer window were we can strengten the team.

I disagree...

Kenny would bring a "Feel good factor" for a large proportion of the fans granted but who's to say it would the players?? There's nothing to suggest an 23 year old player from Spain would work much harder with King Kenny at the helm.
I honestly believe with 20 years away from management he'd be just as bad as "old man balls" in the current game.. The only difference would be how painful it would feel watching the fans turn on him..
Call me a cnut but I think in the current game Kenny is also severely under qualified.. I think getting in someone else to steady the ship again would be a mistake..
Anything less than a top manager and top players would see us not reach the top 4 again IMO..

Roy actually has a pretty sh*te CV in fairness. His media reputation + nationality are of greater benefit to him than his CV. Because he is friends with Alex Ferguson Sky love him and it gets him by really. He is faultless in many media sources' eyes. It's just not good enough. His biggest achievement is getting Fulham to the Europa League Final, getting to the final, not winning it. It's a second rate competition for crying out loud. Granted, the standard has improved a bit over the years but at the end of the day, it's still second rate. He didn't even win it. Even if he did, 1 trophy win doesn't make him a better manager.

Like his CV is based on what? Managing Inter, Blackburn and a few countries. He won f**k all there so it doesn't matter who he played for. Does it mean that a journeyman who played for a few top clubs is a world beater? no.

It is also pretty obvious that Purslow did not do his homework when appointing a successor to Rafa. It's like a foreigner to the sport came in, and looked for the flavour of the month, though 'hey, he must be good if everyone is talking about him' and appointed him. Did not check his background and showed that he has failed at any big club he has managed.

There were plenty other, better managers available. Guss Hiddink for example, he had 4 months at Chelsea and still managed to win a trophy in the FA Cup.

In a nutshell, Roy's CV is not good. he has 35 years of crap. We've heard of the media over-hyping a player, something Sky are geniuses at, surely it's the same case with Roy.

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Roy actually has a pretty sh*te CV in fairness. His media reputation + nationality are of greater benefit to him than his CV. Because he is friends with Alex Ferguson Sky love him and it gets him by really. He is faultless in many media sources' eyes. It's just not good enough. His biggest achievement is getting Fulham to the Europa League Final, getting to the final, not winning it. It's a second rate competition for crying out loud. Granted, the standard has improved a bit over the years but at the end of the day, it's still second rate. He didn't even win it. Even if he did, 1 trophy win doesn't make him a better manager.

Like his CV is based on what? Managing Inter, Blackburn and a few countries. He won f**k all there so it doesn't matter who he played for. Does it mean that a journeyman who played for a few top clubs is a world beater? no.

It is also pretty obvious that Purslow did not do his homework when appointing a successor to Rafa. It's like a foreigner to the sport came in, and looked for the flavour of the month, though 'hey, he must be good if everyone is talking about him' and appointed him. Did not check his background and showed that he has failed at any big club he has managed.

There were plenty other, better managers available. Guss Hiddink for example, he had 4 months at Chelsea and still managed to win a trophy in the FA Cup.

In a nutshell, Roy's CV is not good. he has 35 years of crap. We've heard of the media over-hyping a player, something Sky are geniuses at, surely it's the same case with Roy.

All of the above

I'm sorry but I think this thread is bollox!

Woy has a sh*te CV when it comes to the stature of Liverpool! We are not Fulham!

35 years and what has he won??

I stopped reading after that. He has not got a decent CV as a manager, not for a club our size anyway!!

Perhaps if you continued to read you might have posted something that actual resembled the truth/accuracy. Go to Wikepedia and compare Roy and Rafa's achievements as Managers. Not day and night the way you portray Hodgson's underachievements. And Roy won the Best Manager in Prem League last year?? Again, I'm not a fan of Roy, and the only reason I'm advocating no change is because history is a great predictor of the future. Does King Kenny even have his license to be a Manager? Other than King Kenny, I've not seen a single recommended name to replace Hodgson. Not one unless you count Guus

You need to read the posts more plenty of names have been put forward but many of them are snapped up by clubs. good managers dont hang around the dole que for long.

Wikipedia.  The font of all knowledge and accurate statistics, provided by every man and his dog.

Wikipedia.  The font of all knowledge and accurate statistics, provided by every man and his dog.

His win percentage etc, is verifiable via sites like statto etc and his away record is abysmal and the ones supplied this far have been accurate enough.

Redknapp joined Spurs on the 26th of october 8 games into the season, thats ony 5 less than we've played.

I'm normally all for giving a manager time (at least a season) and not changing managers in just a few months but this is a different case.

There are no signs whatsover that things are about to improve and we have consistently see sh*te tactics and strategies which are not what Liverpool FC is all about.

The only reason I want a change of  manager sharpish because I don't want Roy to put the club in a disastrous position and then the next manager would have a bigger mountain to climb.

We don't want to see Roy's idea of strenghtening the squad with the signings of Carlton Cole and such after seeing his purchase of Poulsen and Konchesky.

I,m all for giving a manager time but in this case, time is not on our side or on the side of Roy Hodgson. We have just been taken over by NESV for 300 million. The fans were trually thrilled when got rid of H+G and everything was starting to look rosey again. The new owners will now start to know that thier honeymoon period is well and trually over. If they want to protect thier investment ROY HODGSON MUST GO NOW. Take a look at what they are potencially going to loose if they keep thier faith in this manager.

The fans are starting to turn now and its starting to get ugly with fans chanting King Kennys name at the Stoke game. They know RH is,nt the man for the job are are now starting to vent thier anger.

The players are turning. We are running the risk of losing our best players, valluable assets that NESV can not afford to loose.

loosing face in the transfer market. Will we be able to attract the best players when we are mid table.

NESV must act now and try to save our season and not loose face with the majority of the fans.

You need to read the posts more plenty of names have been put forward but many of them are snapped up by clubs. good managers dont hang around the dole que for long.

Helloooo, TODAY, who would you suggest replace Roy..

If woy's is still hear by january I hope damian comolli sorts the transfers out I don't want woy bringing carlton cole, jay bothroyd and n'zogbia in there more average players who aren't good enough for are squad

Helloooo, TODAY, who would you suggest replace Roy..

"If not Roy who" thread 1285 posts 18000 views fill your boots.

No it is not the Liverpool Way.

The last two managers were on board for over 300 matches each.

However, we experienced a great change this year in the very ownership of this club which required unusual methods to accomplish.

EG. Three man board outvoting the owners.

Therefore to quote a saying : "It takes unusual methods to achieve unusual results"*

The ownership change is only the first part of it.  The manager is next ... to restart "The Liverpool Way"




(*Or: Unless you change ... if you continue to do what you are doing, you are going to continue to get the results you are getting.)

I disagree...

Kenny would bring a "Feel good factor" for a large proportion of the fans granted but who's to say it would the players?? There's nothing to suggest an 23 year old player from Spain would work much harder with King Kenny at the helm.
I honestly believe with 20 years away from management he'd be just as bad as "old man balls" in the current game.. The only difference would be how painful it would feel watching the fans turn on him..
Call me a cnut but I think in the current game Kenny is also severely under qualified.. I think getting in someone else to steady the ship again would be a mistake..
Anything less than a top manager and top players would see us not reach the top 4 again IMO..

If any player of any age and any nationality at the club couldnt be boosted by a man of the Kings status walking into the dressing room and calling the shots then quite frankly they shouldnt be ta the club.

Gerrard and Torres admire him greatly they'd respond. The king has every medal as player and a nice collection as manager to. If he couldnt get the attention of the squad well then that squad is as much a problem as the current manager

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=34551.new#new

New Thread with back up to do it from Tomkins.

On the basis of Chico's arguement Shankly and Paisley aswell as Fagan wouldnt be qualified to take over if they were available today.
Its starting to get weary banging on about Kenny but incase I and most of the people on here havent made it abundently clear        
  KENNY IS OUR MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now all we have to do is convince some people that havent got a f***in clue about football that we are right and Purslow was wrong.

 I do not believe LFC should change manager within a few months, I think any manager should be given at least two seasons but as new owners they can fire Roy and get there own man.
 If Roy had been employed by NESV the I would expect them to give him at least two years, if they fire Roy I would hope they give the next manager at least two years
 Sacking a manager after such a short time is not the Liverpool way, we do not want to end up like Newcastle

I do not believe LFC should change manager within a few months, I think any manager should be given at least two seasons but as new owners they can fire Roy and get there own man.
 If Roy had been employed by NESV the I would expect them to give him at least two years, if they fire Roy I would hope they give the next manager at least two years
 Sacking a manager after such a short time is not the Liverpool way, we do not want to end up like Newcastle

Well sadly your loyality may well leave us in the same boat as Newcastle found themselves relegated.

Sorry but I can't take any poster seriously who clearly ignores facts. How you can say Roy's CV is better than Rafa's or good enough for Liverpool in anyway.

I do not believe LFC should change manager within a few months, I think any manager should be given at least two seasons but as new owners they can fire Roy and get there own man.

I agree to a certain extent that sacking managers so soon is not the right action to take, but two seasons is a bit of a stretch in my eyes.

I agree to a certain extent that sacking managers so soon is not the right action to take, but two seasons is a bit of a stretch in my eyes.

  Two season is the least amount of time to give a manager (if you have employed him), I am sure as each game goes by a manager learns more about his player and how to get the best from each player
 I am not trying to defend Roy but he must be learning more ever game

  Two season is the least amount of time to give a manager (if you have employed him), I am sure as each game goes by a manager learns more about his player and how to get the best from each player
 I am not trying to defend Roy but he must be learning more ever game

I think thats were the problem lies Eddio. Roy Hodgsons tactics will never change so its upto the players to get use to him, so therefore will you accept Roy here for another two years with nando and Pepe gone, and Carlton Cole and whoever in their place whilst we are probably playing Tranmere in our future Derbies?

Im getting sick of the "its not the Liverpool way" comments

Sh*te football is not the Liverpool way
Outplayed and outbattled by Stoke, Wigan, Blackpool is not the Liverpool way
Mid table bottom half of the table is not the Liverpool way
and so on

So please stop going on about the Liverpool way when discussing the manager because he is not the Liverpool way

Hodgson was brought in under the old regime.  The entire outlook at the club is now different.

Removing managers is usually never a good idea, but the goings on at Anfield over the past 6 months have hardly been a normal situation.

He would never have got the job under NESV.  Sadly he is a small time manager from the days of us being run by small time owners. 

Not only is he lacking on the pitch, but his inability to distinguish being in charge at Fulham and Liverpool is embarrassing us all.  With Roy in charge we will continue to look small-time to the players and future transfer targets.

We deserve much better and unfortunately be it a third in to a season or not, a bad decision in the summer must now be corrected by men big enough to look at their famous 'stats'.

Im getting sick of the "its not the Liverpool way" comments

Sh*te football is not the Liverpool way
Outplayed and outbattled by Stoke, Wigan, Blackpool is not the Liverpool way
Mid table bottom half of the table is not the Liverpool way
and so on

So please stop going on about the Liverpool way when discussing the manager because he is not the Liverpool way

Brian I have just posted the exact same reply on another thread .Never in our history have we accepted mediocrity.

Sorry but I can't take any poster seriously who clearly ignores facts. How you can say Roy's CV is better than Rafa's or good enough for Liverpool in anyway.

I take it English is not your main language? Either that or perhaps you are , well how can I politely ask you re your mental capacity? I posted:

"Go to Wikepedia and compare Roy and Rafa's achievements as Managers. Not day and night the way you portray Hodgson's underachievements"

You responded, and again I suspect you are heavily medicated for any kind of intellectual deficiency your post suggests you have:


" How you can say Roy's CV is better than Rafa's ". Please ask a friend ( I know I'm assuming you have one" to explain to you my post in no way, shape or form said what you have posted. Good luck in your convalescense, science is accelarating reliable treatments for disadvantaged folks like you.

Brian I have just posted the exact same reply on another thread .Never in our history have we accepted mediocrity.

Its all too easy to hide behind the "not the Liverpool way" quote while we continue to fall behind.

  Two season is the least amount of time to give a manager (if you have employed him), I am sure as each game goes by a manager learns more about his player and how to get the best from each player
 I am not trying to defend Roy but he must be learning more ever game

Did you watch the Stoke game!? I severely doubt he is learning anything at all. Out of 105 games away from home in the premier league he has 13 wins. Yes, not all at Liverpool, but i think that shows he aint learning because nothing has changed here!

I take it English is not your main language? Either that or perhaps you are , well how can I politely ask you re your mental capacity? I posted:

"Go to Wikepedia and compare Roy and Rafa's achievements as Managers. Not day and night the way you portray Hodgson's underachievements"

You responded, and again I suspect you are heavily medicated for any kind of intellectual deficiency your post suggests you have:


" How you can say Roy's CV is better than Rafa's ". Please ask a friend ( I know I'm assuming you have one" to explain to you my post in no way, shape or form said what you have posted. Good luck in your convalescense, science is accelarating reliable treatments for disadvantaged folks like you.

Okay, he may have mis-understood your post. Doesn't mean you have to an arsehole.

I dont like big words but I understand what an arsehole is.

Did you watch the Stoke game!? I severely doubt he is learning anything at all. Out of 105 games away from home in the premier league he has 13 wins. Yes, not all at Liverpool, but I think that shows he aint learning because nothing has changed here!

Okay, he may have mis-understood your post. Doesn't mean you have to an arsehole.

Well said, I apologise. Timely reminder of my behaviour, cheers.

I do not believe LFC should change manager within a few months, I think any manager should be given at least two seasons but as new owners they can fire Roy and get there own man.
 If Roy had been employed by NESV the I would expect them to give him at least two years, if they fire Roy I would hope they give the next manager at least two years
 Sacking a manager after such a short time is not the Liverpool way, we do not want to end up like Newcastle

But we will end up like Newcastle if we keep with Roy, he will get us relegated to the championship they way he is carrying on.

As for the fans we've already turned into Newcastle, don't you remember drawing at home to West Ham 0-0 two years ago to go top of the league and our fans F***ing booed. So it's pointless saying we'll end up like that, we're already there.

We need to get shut of Roy if we want to progress as a club and F***ing pronto!!

 What all teams need is continuity and if we sack one manager after a few months will the next manager get the time he needs before everyone is calling for his head
 We could find ourselves on a slippy slop 
 

would you like our continuity to be loosing games against poor sides. That is what is on offer at the moment.

What all teams need is continuity and if we sack one manager after a few months will the next manager get the time he needs before everyone is calling for his head
 We could find ourselves on a slippy slop 

I vaguely remember Chelsea getting rid of a manager mid-season.

They're still doing okay aren't they.

We've got form on this.  Remember getting rid of the Roy Evans/Houllier partnership when it was palpably not working.  I seem to recall things also improving after that decision had been taken.

What all teams need is continuity and if we sack one manager after a few months will the next manager get the time he needs before everyone is calling for his head
 We could find ourselves on a slippy slop 
 

Soz for pulling you again, but what continuity?. Continuity of sh*te,or of constantly being outplayed by basically everyone? And as far as a slippery slope (I think thats what you meant), what are we on now?

 It is not a case of should we change managers mid season but a case of WE MUST change managers to get this club back where it belongs at the top.It is no coincidence but since Roy was appointed manager teams no longer fear coming to Anfield.Also when comparing the stats between Roy and RAFA please take a careful look at Roy"s  record for away wins it is diabolical.

With Dalglish back in charge and given his role in supporting the youth team development, we may also see some of the youngsters get more of a chance on the bigger stage.

I rather see the likes of Pachecho, Kelly, Wilson, Spearing, et al go out there and give their best and I can at least rest easy that the future of Liverpool is in sound hands rather than giving opportunity after opportunity to the likes of Cole, Poulsen and Konpesky and see them foul up time and again.

I disagree...

Kenny would bring a "Feel good factor" for a large proportion of the fans granted but who's to say it would the players?? There's nothing to suggest an 23 year old player from Spain would work much harder with King Kenny at the helm.
I honestly believe with 20 years away from management he'd be just as bad as "old man balls" in the current game.. The only difference would be how painful it would feel watching the fans turn on him..
Call me a cnut but I think in the current game Kenny is also severely under qualified.. I think getting in someone else to steady the ship again would be a mistake..
Anything less than a top manager and top players would see us not reach the top 4 again IMO..

Top post, I could not agree more. The overwhelming majority of supporters calling for Daglish to manager are just looking for change for change sake. I love King Kenny like all Liverpool Supporters do, but is he really qualified after being away from the game for so long, in a managerial role. Bringing in Daglish would bring a good feeling for supporters but I am not sure if he will necessarily manager the team, merely supervise and I believe this with further entitle Gerrard and Carragher.

Most people here just want to see Roy go down in flames and their extreme dislike of him is clouding the fact that we need a true manager, Not Daglish who will be an interim manager at the most. I am happy with what King Kenny does for us now (Scouting and Academy), and if making him manager jeopardizes that, I would rather see Roy here till Jan, then see King Kenny be tired out from managing a currently fast sinking ship.

I vaguely remember Chelsea getting rid of a manager mid-season.

They're still doing okay aren't they.

We've got form on this.  Remember getting rid of the Roy Evans/Houllier partnership when it was palpably not working.  I seem to recall things also improving after that decision had been taken.

Chelsea's mid season coaching changes included Grant and Hiddink.

No offense to King Kenny but their knowledge and experience in modern football is a bit more up to snuff.

Who's to say that it'll be Kenny replacing?

I'd much prefer somebody else anyway.

We simply can not continue being 'mugged' by lesser teams ! this season already is about survival and not about challenging for a top 4 slot , my fear is that Roy will get a transfer budget in january and blow it on some sh*te players !  and then when he gets sacked for poor performance the new manager has no money to speculate with ! the choice is simple we either keep Roy and blunder on the same way or we change manager and achieve a foundation to build upon .......sorry Roy ...shut the door on the way out !

Who's to say that it'll be Kenny replacing?

I'd much prefer somebody else anyway.

I agree I don't want Kenny being brought in on an interim basis. Bring in a new manager to take us through the next 2-3 years, not a scape goat for the underlying problems which is our squad needs more depth and strength, and Roy is not the man.

I take it English is not your main language? Either that or perhaps you are , well how can I politely ask you re your mental capacity? I posted:

"Go to Wikepedia and compare Roy and Rafa's achievements as Managers. Not day and night the way you portray Hodgson's underachievements"

You responded, and again I suspect you are heavily medicated for any kind of intellectual deficiency your post suggests you have:


" How you can say Roy's CV is better than Rafa's ". Please ask a friend ( I know I'm assuming you have one" to explain to you my post in no way, shape or form said what you have posted. Good luck in your convalescense, science is accelarating reliable treatments for disadvantaged folks like you.

There's no need to be an arrogant p***k about it, obviously using big words to try sound intelligent. All you're doing is coming across as condescending! Fair enough if he didn't fully understand your post. I think the fact that 95% of the posts on here are disagreeing with you has you a little upset.

We need a new manager NOW. Not tomorrow, not January, now. We keep trying to plough along with Roy and we're gonna find ourselves scrapping at the lower part of the table for the next few years. I don't agree with personal attacks on the man because he might be doing the job to the best of his ability but that says it all really. The best of his ability is not good enough for this football club. He's turning us into a small club, and this is evident in games where teams now see our small mentality are attack us. Which club honestly would fear playing us in the league at the moment. That's down to our tactics in previous games having a knock on effect to all our players.

ROY OUT NOW!!!!

Change now or our season will be finished before xmas, by then if NESV  were to F**k Roy off it would make the new managers task all the more difficult, we need CL football next season to keep hold of Torres, Pepe and whoever else has doubts over Liverpools ambitions, it's too much of a gamble letting Roy continue to F**k our club up, he has had enough games now to stamp his mark on LFC and clearly his methods are not working, the results speak for themselves, granted we have improved slightly but slighty is not good enough, he may have 35yrs experience in world football but he knows F**k all about the world of Liverpool FC.

After years of using his negative, defensive, narrow football for teams such as Fulham his methods are indoctrinated in his brain, its all he knows, he will say that his way has been tried and trusted over 3 decades and thats fine for mediocre mid table clubs happy to be in the top flight with no real ambition to climb any higher, but  he is in a totally different league in managing clubs of our stature, Purslime employed him because he was flavour of the month and his achievements with Fulham, but it just goes to show that if Purslime had the ambitions of a proper Liverpool fan there is just no way Roy would have been anywhere near Anfield.

He has to be shipped out ASAP, bring Kenny in with Thommo and instil the belief and confidence in the players that a top 4 spot is reachable, this a new era for our club so why are we been managed by someone who clearly does not hold the same ambitions as the rest of us.

So Roy ''get yourself to F**k out of our club'' and hand the reins to someone who knows what the they are doing!!!!

We need rid of Roy Hodgson asap.Not only because he doesn't deserve our job and clearly isn't up to the job to start with but look at the players he's brought in already and imagine the quality of players we'll have after he's been in charge of spending 20-30 million on new players in Jan?!
Eveyone knows even himself that he wont be in charge next season so why not get rid of him now and save the money for someone to deserves our job!

Chelsea's mid season coaching changes included Grant and Hiddink.

No offense to King Kenny but their knowledge and experience in modern football is a bit more up to snuff.

And what about winning, can either of them say they have won a Premier League. King Kenny can!

He'll be still up to date with football and i don't see the mancs rushing to get rid of Fergie, simply because he knows his sh*t, so does Kenny.

To say he does not have the knowledge or experience is really laughable.

The man can still do the job and was probably why he wanted to take over in the summer, when he should of been given the job.

i  disagree okay he has along experience but what  he win ! nothing........... kenny is the right person he was agreat player .and agreat manger and the most important thing he know what is liverpool is about

When was Kenny exiled on Mars?? Can someone enlighten me as to what has changed in football that Kenny would not be aware of having probably seen more football than all of us put together in the last 10 years. I just dont buy the Kenny has been out of the game too long.Might I remind you how he became a player Manager with no managerial experience and I see to remember a decent first season.

I personaly think Kenny's day has gone, but i would have him back anyday compared to Roy.

When was Kenny exiled on Mars?? Can someone enlighten me as to what has changed in football that Kenny would not be aware of having probably seen more football than all of us put together in the last 10 years. I just dont buy the Kenny has been out of the game too long.Might I remind you how he became a player Manager with no managerial experience and I see to remember a decent first season.

He did indeed do very well but let"s be honest Kenny had the wisdom and experience of that great man BOB PAISLEY guiding him.All the same he would be a dam sight better than Roy Hodgson.

I take it English is not your main language? Either that or perhaps you are , well how can I politely ask you re your mental capacity? I posted:

"Go to Wikepedia and compare Roy and Rafa's achievements as Managers. Not day and night the way you portray Hodgson's underachievements"

You responded, and again I suspect you are heavily medicated for any kind of intellectual deficiency your post suggests you have:

" How you can say Roy's CV is better than Rafa's ". Please ask a friend ( I know I'm assuming you have one" to explain to you my post in no way, shape or form said what you have posted. Good luck in your convalescense, science is accelarating reliable treatments for disadvantaged folks like you.

OK, I am sorry to stir this up again, and I promise English is the only language I know. But I still dont understand what you are saying here. You can call me what you like, I am married mate, I'm used to it.

Just Explain in simple terms for me will you, cause it does look to me like you are saying Roy's CV is comarable to Rafa's, now I know you cant be saying that.

No big words please.

Hello Roy if give two season would do the kind of damage which would give us nightmares to say the least. 2 of his signings for the first team are just sh*t to be honest. Imagine what 2 seasons would do. I cannot help but say he is completely not up to the task of managing liverpool. Of course in an ideal world i would like to see a manager given at least two seasons but only if i see a spark, a vision and the ability to achieve something concrete. I would like to see a manager who is honest and yet ruthless and importantly with a winning mentality. Have we ever read anything in history about somebody who has achieved something by being defensive? Winners take a chance, winners take risks, because the returns that accompany risks are higher. Ok, sometimes such an approach might fail but then with a measured approach one can strike a balance between risks and safety. To put things in perspective a club such as liverpool and with the team we have should find a balance between attack and balance. When we play teams such as Wigan, Stoke or West ham we got to attack even if that means we lose sometimes. Hodgson is the King of defense and as such should please leave our club because the longer he stays the more damage he causes. If it was up to me i would give a call right now to tell him to collect his severance package and I would give the job to Kenny even if for the short term and if he does do a job than why not give kenny the reins for the long term.

OK, I am sorry to stir this up again, and I promise English is the only language I know. But I still dont understand what you are saying here. You can call me what you like, I am married mate, I'm used to it.

Just Explain in simple terms for me will you, cause it does look to me like you are saying Roy's CV is comarable to Rafa's, now I know you cant be saying that.

No big words please.

Good morning ( Toronto time) and thank you for your post.

First of all, a couple of days ago someone chastised me ( meaning "verbally" beat the sh*t out of me) for my ignorant response to you. I did apologise and I'm grateful for the opportunity to apologise to you directly for my boorish note.

All I was trying to say is Hodgson and Rafa's records are not night and day. Rafa has been fired just as Woy has. I don't like Roy today and I didn't like him when he was appointed. On this string of messages, the overwhelming majority of posts suggest that the difference between Rafa and Roy is Rafa is a top Prem League manager and Roy is the old Second Division at best. My personal opinion ( which coupled with a few pounds will buy you a pint) is the difference is not that great. My other point is other than King Kenny, who would/ is available to replace Roy NOW/TODAY. Haven't seen a single name on this thread.
 
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to both apologise directly to you and clarify my thoughts ( many think daft thoughts....)

It wasnt me that you were on at the first time mate so there is no need to apologise to me, I just wanted clarification on what you were saying, and now you have, thanks for that.
I dont agree that the difference isnt that great, but I take your point, Roy is a premiership manager, I think that, like me, a lot of supporters belive that Roy is a premiership manager, but Rafa is a world class manager.
But Rafa is gone and we have to move on from that [much as I dislike it].

In answer to your other question "My other point is other than King Kenny, who would/ is available to replace Roy NOW/TODAY. Haven't seen a single name on this thread."

Personally, I dont feel Kenny would be the right man, for various reasons, mostly expressed by others already. An Alternative name, that could come straight in and do a better job, Frank Rijkaard.

Woy is a mid-table manager so actually he is performing to his ability

Now I have that out of my system I would support Kenny coming in to steady the 'steady' ship knowing that he is a giant of a man who will always do what is right for the club, and that will include stepping aside when it is the right thing to do.

YNWA

Kenny has the the knowledge/history/understanding of the club behind him.Football is a game
of 11 v 11 on the pitch. How difficult would it be for Kenny to pick our best 11 week in week
out? He for one has not lost that ability,but our current so called manager definetly has.FACT. 

Kenny has the the knowledge/history/understanding of the club behind him.Football is a game
of 11 v 11 on the pitch. How difficult would it be for Kenny to pick our best 11 week in week
out? 

Thank fook your not responsible for the appointment of our new manager..

Thank fook your not responsible for the appointment of our new manager..

what the fcuk is your point?

but I take your point, Roy is a premiership manager, I think that, like me, a lot of supporters belive that Roy is a premiership manager, but Rafa is a world class manager.

Personally, I dont feel Kenny would be the right man, for various reasons, mostly expressed by others already. An Alternative name, that could come straight in and do a better job, Frank Rijkaard.
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Thanks for the perspective re Prem manager versus world class Manager. I learnt/agree.
Not a big fan of Frank Rijkaard. Great, Great player, inherited super stars at Barca and did very credible job. Had average players in Turkey and got fired just recently ( I know press said he resigned, to pursue other opportunities) Regrettably, he'd inherit many average players at LFC and by the time he put his so called "sexy football/soccer" in practice, we'd have lost so many games that supporters at Anfield would sing out WoY HODGSON'S name without any reference to the C word which is synonomous with his name today. There's something about Neil Warnock that I like. Pay QPR a million, pay him double his salary and offer him a rolling contract. Can you imagine Glenn Johnson taking him on? Or Agger having the testicles ( dont think I'm allowed to type balls?) to question his tactics? Even Carra I think would think twice before calling him a Ku$t

His CV read manager for 35 years won fuckall and Purslow said your the man for me.

what do u mean? winning 2 swedish championships and a danish championship is awesome achievement in 35 years...

what do u mean? winning 2 swedish championships and a danish championship is awesome achievement in 35 years...

I read the posts. Nowhere do I read anyone suggesting Roy had
"awesome achievement".
My best guess is readin' and ritin' aint your strength, so whoever is readin' this to you hopefully will talk real slow,real,real,real slow.

Warnock as manager? Ha. Quality that.

@ azizdamji.
"theres somethingabout Warnock I like"

Theres a lot about Warnock I like, his hair makes me laugh, he hates Fergie more than we do and he is a Yorkshireman same as me. Unfortunately theres one thing he isnt, a premiership manager.
Anyway, can you imagine ANY manager talking to our players like Warnock does. You must be joking mate, our players are the best in Europe [mainly] but ALL football players these days are like big spoilt kids. One wrong word, the teddy gets thrown out of the cot and his agent is in the office within an hour with the transfer request. That goes for ALL footballers, it comes with the terrotory.

in a nutshell changing the manager will work, it's working right now a Leciester - and they got lumped with Sven!

So yes, lets change post haste!

I can see the original question of this topic about changing a manager mid-season appears to have been lost in a general debate about the manager and who his successor should be.

Of which there is already a few topics.

So this one is now locked.