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      Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Jul 28, 2011 07:19:21 am
      Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Matt Scott

      European clubs will break away from Fifa and Uefa and create their own super league unless the world governing body urgently addresses their growing concerns over international fixtures and finances. It would be the most radical development in the history of football since the first World Cup in 1930, ripping up the established world order of the game and seizing power from Sepp Blatter, Fifa's president.

      The Guardian can reveal the background to Karl-Heinz Rummenigge's comments on Tuesday about a "revolution" for football: a European super league that would see the clubs seize control of their own affairs from the regulators. The European game is currently ordered through a memorandum of understanding between clubs and Uefa that was signed three and a half years ago. It runs until 2014, and when it expires the top European clubs will no longer be legally bound to play in Uefa's Champions League or, crucially, to release their players for international friendlies or tournaments, including the World Cup.

      In a reflection of their belief that Fifa lacks legitimacy – especially in the wake of the damaging bribery allegations currently surrounding the organisation – the clubs will not shrink from breaking away if they do not receive sufficient guarantees.

      A board member of the European Club Association of which Bayern Munich's Rummenigge is president told the Guardian on Wednesday: "The fact that Bayern Munich, who have always been close to the institutions, are being so vocal and loud about the situation is a clear sign we're very close to breaking point. We have a memorandum of understanding with Uefa that expires in 2014. After that time we can no longer be forced to respect Fifa statutes or Uefa regulations. And we won't be obliged to compete in their competitions."

      When asked what that would mean for clubs' finances if they were to withdraw from the Champions League, which generates tens of millions of pounds a year for his organisation's richest and most influential members, the ECA board member responded: "Don't be naive. Don't think there would be no alternative competition."

      Although the ECA has a broad constituency, representing 197 European clubs, it is the interests of nine in particular that will drive this agenda. They are Real Madrid, Milan, Liverpool, Internazionale, Manchester United, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea and Rummenigge's Bayern. When the Guardian contacted the four English clubs for their views on the matter, all declined to comment. However, a director at one of the clubs said: "[Financially] there is a lot of unfulfilled potential in football as it stands."

      The English experience of the past 20 years, since a breakaway group of the leading clubs withdrew from the Football League to form the Premier League (albeit under the auspices of the Football Association), has been exceptionally lucrative for the game domestically and the hawks within the ECA are pushing for a replica at European level.

      The news will not come as a surprise at Uefa where in some quarters there is a long-held view that the clubs will seek to go their own way. This has arisen from a number of points of conflict with the world football authorities. As revealed by the Guardian last month there is considerable disquiet about perceived moves to expand the international calendar, forcing clubs to release their expensively remunerated players to national associations without any payback. Fifa denies there have been any discussions about the subject but the ECA source claimed that the matter will be ratified at a Fifa executive-committee meeting in the autumn. As is consistent with relations between Fifa and the clubs, the decision will have been taken without any formal negotiations with the clubs about how the additional fixtures would be accommodated.

      There is a further grievance, this time with Uefa about insurance. The ECA alleges Uefa has pulled back from its commitment to provide insurance for players who are called up for international duty. "Uefa said we would have our insurance after their presidential elections [in March]," the source said. "Now the elections have taken place and we're still waiting for talks." A spokesman for Uefa did not respond to the Guardian's call.

      Yet despite the details of the enduring dispute between the clubs and Fifa and Uefa, there is an overriding financial motive. "When you have every club losing money every year and the only winners the players and Fifa," the source said, "how can that be allowed to go on?"

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/27/european-clubs-breakaway-fifa-uefa

      Six key questions on why top clubs could stage a European revolt
      Matt Scott

      Who are the teams involved?

      It is the biggest brands in football that are driving this agenda. Between them Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Internazionale, Milan, Manchester United, Liverpool and Barcelona have won 36 European Cup and Champions League titles, almost two-thirds of those played. Where these clubs play money will undoubtedly follow.

      Added to this are Arsenal and Chelsea who, despite never having won Europe's elite trophy, boast international fanbases that would assist in driving the revenues of a competition. There would also be invitations to the other big names from across Europe: Juventus, Roma, Ajax, Porto, Marseille and a few others — Manchester City perhaps?

      Why do they want to do it?


      The short answer is: money. And lots of it. A new breed of football owner has emerged who does not see the proprietorship of their sporting assets as a benevolent activity. Men such as Silvio Berlusconi have used football club ownership to push a popular political agenda, or Roman Abramovich to raise his profile overseas with a trophy asset. Both have been content to sustain huge losses in support of their clubs. But the US owners who began entering the football market with the 2005 Glazer takeover of Manchester United are used to generating cash from their sports franchises. They consider it insane that almost every entity at the top of the world's most popular sport haemorrhages cash.

      How could they make a breakaway actually happen?


      Legally they would be entitled to break away from football's existing structures in 2014 when the current accord between the clubs and Uefa, which in the Champions League runs the club game's most lucrative competition, elapses.

      Eyeballs follow Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney and Fernando Torres wherever they go. And with fan interest come the dollars of sponsors and broadcasters – as Fifa has found with the explosion of its revenues over the past decade and a half.

      In 1997 Fifa's entire annual revenue was $22.5m; by 2009, at the same stage in a World Cup cycle because it was also one year before a tournament took place, Fifa had generated $1bn from their events. With that amount of money to share between them the clubs could make anything happen.

      How would a breakaway work?

      To maximise revenues and to provide security of income for those clubs involved, access to the tournament is likely to be restricted. Although a closed league would probably not play well with European fans used to promotion and relegation, a simple play-off system for a single place may be the kind of sop that clubs aim to get away with.

      Similarly to the existing Uefa Champions League, it would probably be a midweek tournament. Already Real Madrid and Barcelona operate B teams in lower leagues – top clubs would hope to employ such second strings in their national-league commitments. Domestic competitors may not like the elite breaking away but are unlikely to tell them they cannot play in traditional competitions since their incomes are tied to those of the big guns.

      What about international football and the World Cup?


      Arguably the biggest gripe among clubs is the international fixture calendar. The early‑August friendly date has angered the game's employers since they must release their players at exactly the time they want to be organising friendly matches of their own: lucrative pre-season tours overseas.

      If 20 teams are to participate in a fixed tournament, as well as the introduction of an end-of-season knockout competition along the lines of US sports' play-offs, there will be no room for the top players to commit to biennial international tournaments. This, clearly, would be the most politically sensitive area of the elite clubs' plans but its impact may be softened by the clubs pooling their players in a separate tournament played in international shirts – but without Fifa involvement.

      Why is it different this time?

      Clubs have indeed been down this route before, when the combative Florentino Pérez of Real Madrid was chairman of the G14 movement. A strategy document developed in 2007 by the G14's then general manager, Thomas Kurth, talked of "a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs".

      The threat petered out after Uefa pledged to distribute a bigger share of Champions League income to the clubs. But they regretted not taking on Fifa at the time and, in the world governing body's moment of weakness, the clubs are sensing their opportunity anew. The arrival of US owners, Uefa's dirigiste financial fair play rules and the lack of profitability for clubs are combining to create a critical mass.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/27/uefa-champions-league-european-revolt?intcmp=239
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #1: Jul 28, 2011 10:02:35 am
      Could be interesting, getting out of FIFA/UEFA cartel. As long as we remained in the PL, FA & league cups and some Euro Super League replaced the CL, I'd be happy.
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      Reply #2: Jul 28, 2011 10:23:30 am
      Any chance they could blow sky off while they're at it? if sky lost footy that would be the end of them.
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #3: Jul 28, 2011 10:26:40 am
      That would be the deal breaker for me, football back on terrestrial. Unfortunately, as this move is motivated purely by money (and not a stance against corrupt organisations, as they would have us believe), TV rights will once again go to the highest bidder - ie Sky and it wouldn't surprise me if more games went to pay-per-view on the teams' individual channels.
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #4: Jul 28, 2011 03:13:09 pm
      Well the internet is here so balls to sky love to see an end to FIFA it would be great
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #5: Jul 28, 2011 03:15:38 pm
      If only. Then again in this day and age it's a question of being careful what you wish for.
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #6: Jul 28, 2011 03:19:08 pm
      Like everything all it is less about football and more about money grab for the top clubs. The say this every year but nothing ever really comes of it so I take these sort of things with a gran of salt.
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      Reply #7: Jul 28, 2011 03:26:34 pm
      Like everything all it is less about football and more about money grab for the top clubs. The say this every year but nothing ever really comes of it so I take these sort of things with a gran of salt.

      First time I've heard it being threatened in years mate.
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      Reply #8: Jul 28, 2011 05:49:45 pm
      First time I've heard it being threatened in years mate.

      Really? Every year they seem to talk about it, when Platini was going to change the format of the UCL there were rumors of break away from UEFA and that was in 2009.
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #9: Jul 28, 2011 05:57:21 pm
      I wouldn't support a European Super League instead of our current Premier League. It would ruin English football.
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      Reply #10: Jul 28, 2011 06:05:32 pm
      I wouldn't support a European Super League instead of our current Premier League. It would ruin English football.
      Sorry but your 20 years too late Sky 1992 R.I.P football as we knew it.
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      Reply #11: Jul 28, 2011 06:39:26 pm
      I would support a breakaway. I think the way FIFA and UEFA run the game is shocking.
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      Reply #12: Jul 28, 2011 06:40:44 pm
      I wouldn't support a European Super League instead of our current Premier League. It would ruin English football.

      I highly doubt whether it would replace national leagues - recipe for disaster.  It would likely run on Wednesday nights in conjunction with national weekend games.  I would fear slightly for the FA cup and certainly the league cup though. 

      Sadly, it will likely result in a compromise that benefits both the clubs and the bureaucrats, but not fans.
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      Reply #13: Jul 28, 2011 07:15:28 pm
      If this happens we will be paying through the nose.
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      Reply #14: Aug 31, 2011 01:11:41 am
      This topic has been around for a couple of years now.
      Starting a League with the Top Clubs from the Top European Leagues could be the answer to the disparity that has taken hold over Europe in the last years.
      The money gap between the big clubs and the rest seems to have anihilated the competitions.

      Who has a shadow of a doubt that either Madrid or Barcelona will win the title in Spain
      More competition in England, but cant think past the Manchesters, Chelsea and maybe Liverpool( i hope)
      In Italy, still no super money season( in todays terms,  Milan and Inter have been known to throw in a couple of euros, but even Berlusconi and Moratti fail to compete with the mega millionaires )but who can think past Milan, Inter, or Roma (with their new management they might have a shot)

      French clubs will struggle to compete with PSG in the comming years and who knows who will be the next rich kid on the block.

      I was astonished to read what Villareal President said after their 5-0 defeat to Barca, and I believe he is 100% right( he sais Barca and Real should play their 2 matches, and decide the title, and the rest play for the scraps)

      So...European Super League, is it possible, is it desireable? Or is there another solution?
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      Reply #15: Aug 31, 2011 01:17:44 am

      The Champions League was created by UEFA with a specific objective to prevent the creation of the European Super League ... In terms of global marketing, the European Super League has strong financial logic, and will inevitably be created, at some point in the future ...
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      Reply #16: Aug 31, 2011 01:19:25 am
      Would be the death knell for me. I like European Cup competitions, really don't think I couldn't stomach a European Super League.
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      Reply #17: Aug 31, 2011 01:26:03 am
      I agree it's almost inevitable and the money men will do everything to make it happen but it would be a disaster for most fans. It's expensive enough to follow your team around the country, not too many could follow them around Europe.
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      Reply #18: Oct 12, 2011 06:50:02 pm
      Liverpool's demand for greater share of TV rights 'part of a mission to create European Super League'

      By Luke Edwards
      12 Oct 2011

      Wigan chairman Dave Whelan believes Liverpool's attempt to change the rules which ensure Premier League clubs equally share the proceeds from the selling of overseas television rights is part of a wider mission to form a European Super League.

      Whelan is furious at a proposal by Liverpool chief executive Ian Arye which would allow the most popular clubs in the country to negotiate their own deals, or at least make sure they received a larger proportion of the collective income.

      In an exclusive interview with the Telegraph Sport Whelan has promised to fight the idea and claimed the vast majority of Premier League chairman agree with him.

      He said: "They want to create a European Super League and this is the first step towards trying to do that.

      "They want to take all the money for themselves, but they know the top six cannot play each other every week, so they will eventually look to Europe and the creation of a European league.

      "The next step will be to only receive money when your game is shown on television, the top six are on television all the time, so they will receive all the money.

      "If this happened, it would lead to the destruction of the Premier League, I have no doubt about that."

      Liverpool's idea would need the support of at least two thirds of Premier League owners to be ratified and Wigan is confident most chairman will take a wider view of the need to protect the league's competitiveness and its integrity.

      He said: "I'm not speaking as the chairman of Wigan, I'm speaking on behalf of English football.

      "A lot of Premier League chairman think like me. It would wreck the game, but they don’t care about that, they care about money.

      "You wouldn't watch a league of six clubs in it, but they only want to look after themselves."

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8822517/Liverpools-demand-for-greater-share-of-TV-rights-part-of-a-mission-to-create-European-Super-League.html

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      Reply #19: Oct 18, 2011 06:11:02 pm
      You get clubs like Burnley and Blackpool coming in, lasting one season. Hardly spend any of the TV money on parachute payments trying to get back in the Prem. Top clubs are filling the coffers of these one season wonders. What do they spend the money on?

      I mean we have shed blood, sweat & tears to earn our following in Europe. Our overseas fans spend money following the club thru TV or buying merchandise, they want the club to benefit from their support.

      How much support would we have got from the Wigans etc of this world if we had gone into administration under H & G as Purslow said we might have. None.
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      Reply #20: Oct 18, 2011 06:39:17 pm
      You get clubs like Burnley and Blackpool coming in, lasting one season. Hardly spend any of the TV money on parachute payments trying to get back in the Prem. Top clubs are filling the coffers of these one season wonders. What do they spend the money on?

      Well, I really despise the "take the money and run" approach by some of these one-season wonders. I am certainly if favor of introducing some serious conditions for the clubs to be playing in the Premier League. A serious investment into the stadium infrastructure and capacity is certainly one of those conditions. It might sound like an utopia, but if you introduce a 30,000 stadium capacity minimum as a condition, you will still have clubs like Leeds, Middlesbrough, both Sheffield clubs, Coventry, Birmingham, Derby, Leicester, Forest, Ipswich, Southampton and West Ham competing for a place in the Premier League.
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      Re: Top European clubs threaten to break away from Fifa and Uefa
      Reply #21: Oct 18, 2011 10:06:11 pm
      Unfortunately, I can see it happening. Money runs the game now. We will be left with the choice of join or be left behind.
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      Reply #22: Oct 19, 2011 04:06:03 pm
      I am not a big fan of FIFA or UEFA. I think they have have become self Important and seem to think that they are the end all when it comes to world football. With that comes a massive amount of curruption, as we have seen in the WC voting and the courting of FIFA officials to name host nations. Which was glaringly apparent in the naming of Qatar over England.

      But on the flip side the game does need some sort of governing body to keep the integrity of the game and to monitor fair play and trade practices. Over the years how many corruption scandals have come out?

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