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      Stevie-G
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      Carroll's role for next season
      Jun 07, 2011 02:40:20 pm
      Just found this very interesting article and didn't know where to post, so created a new topic.

      Carroll's role key for next season
      We cannot get carried away by our performances in the final few months of the season. Since Kenny Dalglish took over the helm from Roy Hodgson, results and performances have hugely improved. More wins, more clean sheets, more goals, and far better performances on the whole. The pass and move style Dalglish favours has been a breath of fresh air, with the movement and quick incisive passing a delight at points. But we are still a lot of hard work away from a genuine title challenge.
      In reality, the performances towards the end of the season did show that we don’t have as bad a squad as the media had portrayed us to under Hodgson. There was some exciting play and the whole tactical feel was more flexible and fresh. With Hodgson there was always a feeling of trying not to lose rather than to go for the win. Under Rafa Benitez, there was a more controlled feel and the football was very intense. Both Benitez and Dalglish’ methods can be equally successful if done correctly. But it has been a breath of fresh air to see such lovely attacking football with beautiful interchanging of movement combined with quick incisive passing.
      There is less time taken to get forward. According to Opta under Hodgson the team had on average more possession than under Dalglish (53.2% under Hodgson – 50.6% under Dalglish) which seems bizarre at first but not as bizarre as you’d think; the team was more defensive and sat deeper, meaning and there was more passes between the defenders at the back, whereas now, the ball is usually played forward quickly, trying to create on a more regular basis rather than keep the ball and wait for gaps. However there is more attention on keeping the ball along the floor. Even Jamie Carragher, noted ‘hoofer’, has taken to a more simple passing game. The team has regained the higher defensive line that it had under Benitez and the flexibility of positions has been brilliant, most notably in the 5-2 win over Fulham. There has been a variety of different formations used; 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1, even a variation on 3-5-2 and 3-6-1 have been used since Dalglish took over.
      However, as said, there is still a long way to go. The hardest scenario at the moment is how to get the best out of Andy Carroll. Since his £35 million move in January, the team has been at its best when he’s not been in the side. While Kuyt and Suarez have thrived together with this new approach, Carroll’s directness hasn’t yet fitted in. There’s been a feeling of being unsure of what to do when he’s in the team. Against Braga, the team made far too many long balls to him and the football was poor and certainly not incisive. In theory, he should fit in just as well as Kuyt. He’s strong, surprisingly good with the ball at his feet, and even has an underrated amount of pace on him. He just hasn’t fitted in for some reason, other than in the 3-0 win at home to Manchester City.
      Of course it doesn’t help that his biggest strength is in the air and there are no proper wingers in the squad. This is something the team has lacked for years and is something that many fans are crying out for. This does bring its own problems. With a straight winger in the team they have more of a responsibility to stay out wide. The team therefore has more settled positions and less opportunity to interchange positions and the play becomes more predictable. Unfortunately the quick passing becomes harder to pull off because the positions become more rigid. The performance against Fulham was all about swapping and changing and it came so naturally meaning that the play could be quick. If positions are more rigid then the play has to become more patient.
      It is therefore very hard to get the best out of pass and move and also Carroll. One way you could possibly get the best out of both is to push the full backs high up the pitch, Barcelona style, and get them to get the crosses into the box, unBarcelona style whilst still having the movement form Kuyt, Suarez and Gerrard etc without a winger. It’s clear a left back is needed; Aurelio is the best we have but is extremely injury prone and a new quality left back is needed, with Jose Enrique the favourite at the moment. On the right, Glen Johnson is obviously there and his attacking assets could be more important than it has been at any other point since he has come here.
      Meanwhile in midfield a central playmaker may be what’s needed. Jordan Henderson is seemingly on his way already but it remains to be seen what type of role he will fill. If wingers are bought in, then someone who can spread the play with Lucas could be key in performances next season. It may seem stupid but looking at the model Manchester United have would be helpful – their central midfielders keep the ball ticking around from deep positions. They don’t have a genuine attacking midfielder who plays between the midfield and front line because their wingers are such a key part of their play – Nani topped the assists chart in the league this season with 18 and Valencia and Park are big players for them.
      Luis Suarez has been a brilliant buy not only for his ability but also his versatility. When we bought him people seemed to think that he would be in a deeper role, maybe out wide a bit more with Carrol up front. In fact when he and Carroll have played together, Suarez has been the one in the role higher up the pitch on the shoulder of the centre backs. This has been fairly clever tactically – defenders sit deeper because of his pace and skill and then Carroll can get into positions higher up the pitch to cause more damage in the air. When he wins the ball in the air further away from the goal then there is less danger for defenders because knock downs are in areas where it is easier to deal with and the play is still far away from the goal. When there are knock downs around the penalty area, the ball can go anywhere and if it lands in the right spots, chances and goals are created.
      Yet having Suarez in a higher role leads to a possible outnumbering in the centre of the field where most of our attacking play takes place. If one or two out and out wingers came in, then the middle of the pitch becomes more vulnerable.
      In fact the key to getting the best out of Carroll may lie in two teams of the early 2000s. The first of which being Rafa Benitez’s Valencia and in particular the 2-0 win over us in the first game of the 2002-03 Champions League Group stage campaign. Any who watched the match will remember how dominant Valencia were. Their passing was slick, the movement was quick and they pretty much tore us apart, especially in the first half. The thing most people remember from that night was their midfield of Baraja, Albelda and Aimar, similar to the lovely balance we had a couple of seasons ago with Mascherano, Alonso and Gerrard. The Spanish duo and the Argentine completely dominated play that night, most notably in the first goal with the trio combining in a lovely one touch move.
      Valencia-Liverpool 2:0 [Aimar] 17.09.2002
      However the pivot in attack for them that night was John Carew who gave them an out ball and allowed them to play it long for him to hold onto before their midfield pushed up and played their passing game again. For the second goal off the game, a long ball was played forward by Mauricio Pellegrino and Carew took it down with ease, held off a defender and laid it off to Ruben Baraja who burst forward and drove it into the corner. This was a great example of versatility that they showed and with players like Vicente and Rufete out wide they had a host of options. Yet Carew was the man in the centre who enabled their midfield to dominate.
      The exciting thing is that Carroll at just 22, looks a far better player than Carew and has a far better eye for goal whereas Carew was simply there to hold the ball up and lay it off for Valencia’s midfield to dominate proceedings rather than as a goalscorer where he is poor. Carroll could do both and is surprisingly good with his feet as well.
      The other model could lie with a less successful Bologna team at a similar time. zonalmarking.net put this team in their 20 teams of the decade and purely for a tactical reason. In attack they had the big front man Julio Cruz, who scored just 10 goals in the 2001/02 season and just 27 goals in his three seasons at Bologna. However, Cruz was key in Bologna’s 7th placed finish in the 2001/02 season. He was a handful for defenders and created space for other players to run into. His basic job with the ball at his feet was to lay it off to players who were breaking from midfield. The main one of these was the impressive Giuseppi Signori, an attacking player who was capped 28 times for Italy and was the main goalscorer for Bologna, scoring 66 goals in 142 games for them. He played a slightly deeper role than Cruz and often ran into the space created by Cruz as did the deeper lying midfielders.
      Even looking at this video from the 2001/01 season in a 2-1 win over Verona, you can see glimpses of this system in full flight, with Cruz the target man and midfielders running from deep.
      BOLOGNA VERONA 2-1 2001/02
      In fact, one clever way space was created for the deeper Bologna players to run into, was Cruz holding the ball and moving deep, dragging a defender or a midfielder with him. Thus players like Signori ran into the space and created big problems for defences.
      If you swap Cruz for Carroll and Signori for Suarez, there is a benefit in a system like that just like there is in Valencia’s. Valencia’s was far better to watch and more successful (they won a league title with John Carew as their front man!) but Bologna’s with less talented players was very impressive, especially considering that they only just missed out on fourth place at the end of the 2001/02 season by 3 points.
      Bologna’s system especially, helped set the mood for lone striker systems that have become prominent in the last decade with players who can hold the ball up and help teams keep possession. Rafa Benitez used this after poor away displays in his first season here and bought Peter Crouch, who could hold the ball up well.
      Thus, maybe using Carroll as a pivot for the team isn’t such a bad idea. Carroll is such a rounded player that he brings more to the table than Cruz and Carew did to their respective teams. He wouldn’t just be a battering ram up front. He’s a very talented striker and on top of it all, brings goals. If we get him working to his maximum then the team will be a big force next season. Until then we need to find a system to get the team working together and having him in a pivot role, with midfielders coming from deep and full backs creating overlaps could work really well.

      http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=33605
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #1: Jun 07, 2011 03:44:34 pm
      Hopefully his role will be a striker that scores goals....Not a £35M bench warmer....
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #2: Jun 07, 2011 05:23:01 pm
      Oh, I was expecting a useful insight. I've sat and read the whole thing and came to the conclusion that I could've bloody written that!
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #3: Jun 07, 2011 05:39:53 pm
      I think Carroll will be an old style forward. He'll annoy defenders a bit like ex Glasgow Rangers (and that other premiership team) player Duncan Ferguson. He's only young aswell. He can head the ball and has a mean strike aswell. Are we being over critical because of the price tag attached to him??
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #4: Jun 07, 2011 07:28:57 pm
      His role? Stick the ball inthe net we can discuss his other options after!!
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #5: Jun 07, 2011 07:32:09 pm
      Not going to read the article, but I agree with Brian.

      Score goals.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #6: Jun 07, 2011 07:39:11 pm
      for me the one area that we are not giving our oponents something to think twice  is in the 18 area in the air ,and I think if we can get good wingers  Caroll will be a good asset for us and he will get the gaols
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #7: Jun 07, 2011 08:06:33 pm
      Frans, I agree. We need a couple of good wingers
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #8: Jun 07, 2011 08:19:21 pm
      Score goals when he gets the chance, hold the ball up when he has his back to goal.

      Prove the doubters wrong.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #9: Jun 07, 2011 10:16:20 pm
      I know there has been a bit of a debate about this....but to me there is no debate.

      Let's just give the lad a chance and not examine his role in the team....He's a good player with a lot to learn,he excites the passions in us as supporters,i'm telling you the lad can play and we have a genuine threat in the box at set plays and corners,he's not just a big lump up front.....Remember Toshack and Keagan? well we can have a new pairing of Carrol and Suarez and they'll hopefully be just as effective..

      I think this may have stemmed from a couple of performances towards the end of the season where he looked a little slow and leggy and his touch was heavy,i'm not one to go around throwing excuses but there may have been one or two....those goals against City at home were just brilliant and i think that's what we have got to look forward too.....He's a war horse that lad....he'll not let us down.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #10: Jun 07, 2011 10:20:53 pm
      Agree with Brian.

      Carroll's role will be to score goals.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #11: Jun 08, 2011 02:02:38 am
      hmm, Raul Merieles didnt have any trouble planting the ball on Carroll's head for his goal against City. We obviously have not seen the best of Carroll yet but he has been injured for the most part since we signed him. He's not looked anywhere near match fit in a Liverpool shirt. I believe this is the reason we havnt seen him flourish as of yet. Although an out an out winger will offcourse benefit him personally as far as heading chances are concerned next season. I think people are quick to jump the gun though expecting the ball to be hoofed up to him all of the time. It is an option yes but he has  the ability to contribute in a different role rather than just a target man to wack the ball at.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #12: Jun 08, 2011 07:40:02 am
      To get fit?
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #13: Jun 08, 2011 09:37:21 am
      hold the ball and finish off chances......anything else is a plus
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      Reply #14: Jun 08, 2011 10:07:59 pm
      He will be a great player for us for a long time (if he can get past his injuries just as a certain Stevie G had to) give him the chances and he will score, it is great to have a forward defenders are genuinely going to be sh*t scared of facing.
      What an exciting prospect we have up front for next season COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #15: Jun 08, 2011 10:16:39 pm
      Score goals. End of.

      bit of a stupid question IMO
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #16: Jun 08, 2011 11:26:09 pm
      Score goals. End of.

      bit of a stupid question IMO

      Scoring goals would be a by-product of him being effective in his role, which is what the author is getting at.

      Would it sound better if the title was "how can we use Carroll effectively next season?"
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #17: Jun 09, 2011 12:03:49 am
      Hold up the ball,and score a sh*t load of goals,Dont think we paid 35 million to sit on the bench.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #18: Jun 09, 2011 12:56:42 am
      Carroll's role will be to partner Suarez and terrorise every defence in the League. With a good pre season together i think the prospect of these two assassins on song is going to be F***ing devastating!.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #19: Jun 09, 2011 11:20:36 am
      His role – Carroll plays like an old style centre forward and his role shouldn’t change. Bob Paisley once emphasised that he didn’t but players to change them but because he felt they would fit into the team.
      I want Carroll to do what he does best - be a big presence up front and fight like F**k for the team and us. Not just physically, bring other players into the game and partner Suarez. It’s unfair to label Carroll purely as a target man as he can play a bit.
      Despite doing all these things, (and being expected to do all these things), he will have to stick the ball in the back of the net as often as possible.

      All strikers are ultimately judged by goals and I don’t expect Carroll to be any different. 
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #20: Jun 09, 2011 11:55:10 am
      Scoring goals would be a by-product of him being effective in his role, which is what the author is getting at.

      Would it sound better if the title was "how can we use Carroll effectively next season?"
      Yeah, exactly.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #21: Jun 09, 2011 01:55:32 pm
      His role? Stick the ball inthe net we can discuss his other options after!!

      Thats the one Brian.

      Shankly talking.
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      Re: Carroll's role for next season
      Reply #22: Jun 09, 2011 03:01:04 pm
      Paisley talking

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