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      Those who have lead us down a very shakey road

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      neilo
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #23: Feb 13, 2012 03:12:01 pm
      We should have fought it all the way or just apologised from day 1 and none of this happens,in not appealing but maintaining innocence we gave them ammunition to drag it on and on where as if we had appealed at least we actually stood up for what we believed instead we are a laughing stock and I feel sick about it as I think Luis will be off in the summer as he will feel betrayed.
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      Reply #24: Feb 13, 2012 03:15:59 pm
      At the end of October things looked a lot different than they do now to be fair to FSG. This situation should have been sorted out long before Saturday but whoever is in charge of running the club in Liverpool has some culpability as well. They were given leeway by the owners to take care of it and instead of taking care of it, it got worse. There is enough blame to go around in this situation, I think it best at this point if folks just moved on.....it's getting to the point where even the supporters are starting to turn on each other. Slur Alex is probably loving this.

      Our reputation as a club right now is shot to peices and those statements do nothing to clear the clubs reputation just the hope that now its swept under the carpet it slowly goes away.

      The media and other fans will now feel that their side of it has been proven and we were wrong all along and we have through handling the situation wrongly all along not got what our problems were all along out in the open.


      Again I have to say I'm not wanting the owners out or will be vocally against them. Just that I am very disappointed how it has been handled.
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      Reply #25: Feb 13, 2012 03:29:24 pm
      Our reputation as a club right now is shot to peices and those statements do nothing to clear the clubs reputation just the hope that now its swept under the carpet it slowly goes away.

      The media and other fans will now feel that their side of it has been proven and we were wrong all along and we have through handling the situation wrongly all along not got what our problems were all along out in the open.


      Again I have to say I'm not wanting the owners out or will be vocally against them. Just that I am very disappointed how it has been handled.

      If we'd apologised straight away, do you really think the media or FA would of backed off?  I see the same outcome happening over and over again.  Sometimes in this world, and it's a good lesson to learn, life isn't fair, innocence isn't enough, perception is king, even if warped.

      Sticking to our guns wouldn't have helped this situation whatsoever at present.  I still believe Suarez to be innocent of the racism charge, guilty of mentioning a players skin tone and a tad naive Saturday.
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      Reply #26: Feb 13, 2012 03:38:27 pm
      If we'd apologised straight away, do you really think the media or FA would of backed off?  I see the same outcome happening over and over again.  Sometimes in this world, and it's a good lesson to learn, life isn't fair, innocence isn't enough, perception is king, even if warped.

      Sticking to our guns wouldn't have helped this situation whatsoever at present.  I still believe Suarez to be innocent of the racism charge, guilty of mentioning a players skin tone and a tad naive Saturday.

      For fear of repeating myself Rodders, I think as soon as the report came out we should have challenged the parts that couldn't have been proven.. The parts that have wrecked Luis's reputation because that was the right thing to do. Take the ban and move on but try and have those parts removed and apologised for.

      There have been many things wrong since that point but that's my main gripe. We should have come out and been honest with our problem rather than hint at it constantly. Had we done that no the media may have not let go but we could sleep well at night that it would be out in the open that Luis didn't say the worse of the things he has been accused of and maybe Saturday may not have happened.

      I said at the time I felt Luis should have shaken his hand but I feel we have handled the whole situation badly.
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #27: Feb 13, 2012 03:45:36 pm
      for me its simple.You are in the right in which you defend yourself to the end or you are guilty in which case you humbly apologise for your error.We did not stick to either and ended up nowhere and now even worse have left ourselves open to all and sundry to have a pop.
      This has gone way past the involvement of Luis then Kenny this is now about the running of the club and on this evidence we have
      lacked leadership and bounced from one crisis to another.

      This is a story that has still to be concluded and it will continue because we still have no closure.What we have is the site of Kenny having to apologise for his behaviour and Luis apologising for his mistake neither of which should have happend.
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      Reply #28: Feb 13, 2012 03:45:50 pm
      For fear of repeating myself Rodders, I think as soon as the report came out we should have challenged the parts that couldn't have been proven.. The parts that have wrecked Luis's reputation because that was the right thing to do. Take the ban and move on but try and have those parts removed and apologised for.

      There have been many things wrong since that point but that's my main gripe. We should have come out and been honest with our problem rather than hint at it constantly. Had we done that no the media may have not let go but we could sleep well at night that it would be out in the open that Luis didn't say the worse of the things he has been accused of and maybe Saturday may not have happened.

      I said at the time I felt Luis should have shaken his hand but I feel we have handled the whole situation badly.

      I think the problem with going after parts of the report, appealing, etc... is that we'd have the situation we now have where football isn't the focus...the media and Ferguson and now our ownership are the focus. It's going to be hard for the team to focus as all of this swirls around them. I think that's why it was decided early on to basically accept it and move on...but unfortunately we've now had another incident and this is what's come of it.

      One key question here that we may never know the answer...what if Suarez had just made the effort and shook Evra's hand......would we be talking about this today? As much as Evra didn't deserve it, may have been the smarter thing to do.
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      Reply #29: Feb 13, 2012 04:03:12 pm
      I think the problem with going after parts of the report, appealing, etc... is that we'd have the situation we now have where football isn't the focus...the media and Ferguson and now our ownership are the focus. It's going to be hard for the team to focus as all of this swirls around them. I think that's why it was decided early on to basically accept it and move on...but unfortunately we've now had another incident and this is what's come of it.

      One key question here that we may never know the answer...what if Suarez had just made the effort and shook Evra's hand......would we be talking about this today? As much as Evra didn't deserve it, may have been the smarter thing to do.

      I think my issue though is have we accepted it or buried our heads in the sand hoping it goes away?



      On the handshake very briefly and for the record I think he should have done it even if there was no meaning in it, I said so last week before the game.

      But the things Evra has accused him of that there is not one shred of eveidence of shouldn't be in that report, he should have been banned for the use of the word once and everything else in it shouldn't be there for him to be presumed guilty of.
      Would you respect a man that made stuff up about you and have potentially ruined his character for good? Maybe the emotion of that when stood right in front of him spilled over.
      Had it only been in the public he said that word once which he admitted to and said he would never use again on the pitch in England then he may have said sorry to Evra months ago and shaken his hand. But if he feels he completely lied about other things and he hasn't been able to clear his name?
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      Reply #30: Feb 13, 2012 04:37:12 pm
      I think my issue though is have we accepted it or buried our heads in the sand hoping it goes away?



      On the handshake very briefly and for the record I think he should have done it even if there was no meaning in it, I said so last week before the game.

      But the things Evra has accused him of that there is not one shred of eveidence of shouldn't be in that report, he should have been banned for the use of the word once and everything else in it shouldn't be there for him to be presumed guilty of.
      Would you respect a man that made stuff up about you and have potentially ruined his character for good? Maybe the emotion of that when stood right in front of him spilled over.
      Had it only been in the public he said that word once which he admitted to and said he would never use again on the pitch in England then he may have said sorry to Evra months ago and shaken his hand. But if he feels he completely lied about other things and he hasn't been able to clear his name?

      I agree for the most part man.....it's unfortunate that it's all come to this. I still contend that the initial problem here is the over-sensitivity to this whole "racism" issue. Not saying racism isn't bad...just saying this is turning more into political correctivism than racism. Saying something you shouldn't have is one thing, meaning to say something racist to hurt someone else is completely different.

      And let's not kid ourselves...Suarez "reputation" from the handball to the biting has not helped his cause. It was like a perfect storm conspiring against LFC.
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #31: Feb 13, 2012 04:50:18 pm
      I agree for the most part man.....it's unfortunate that it's all come to this. I still contend that the initial problem here is the over-sensitivity to this whole "racism" issue. Not saying racism isn't bad...just saying this is turning more into political correctivism than racism. Saying something you shouldn't have is one thing, meaning to say something racist to hurt someone else is completely different.

      And let's not kid ourselves...Suarez "reputation" from the handball to the biting has not helped his cause. It was like a perfect storm conspiring against LFC.

      Luis is a good kid, you can see that with how he is with his family. His passion however sometimes gets the best of him and he needs to take decision making 101 or something because some of decisions no matter the circumstance have been an issue and will continue to be, only he can fix that.
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #32: Feb 13, 2012 04:51:45 pm
      Luis is a good kid, you can see that with how he is with his family. His passion however sometimes gets the best of him and he needs to take decision making 101 or something because some of decisions no matter the circumstance have been an issue and will continue to be, only he can fix that.

      Yep I understand that, I always had a short temper playing basketball growing up. It's good that he's got passion and you can tell he's not a mean spirited person, just passionate about his craft. I've got no problem with that, just saying it unfortunately adds fuel to the fire of his detractors.
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      Reply #33: Feb 13, 2012 05:06:49 pm


      The protocol for the pre-match handshake states that it is the home team who move along shaking the hands of the away team.

      This was not the case on Saturday at OT. Again, and on top of anything else, the media have failed to highlight this.

      Apologies if this has been posted/covered in another thread. I just thought it was worth mentioning. Pic is from @BrianDurand56 on Twitter.
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      Reply #34: Feb 13, 2012 05:22:36 pm


      The protocol for the pre-match handshake states that it is the home team who move along shaking the hands of the away team.

      This was not the case on Saturday at OT. Again, and on top of anything else, the media have failed to highlight this.

      Apologies if this has been posted/covered in another thread. I just thought it was worth mentioning. Pic is from @BrianDurand56 on Twitter.

      I think Phil Dowd may have had something to do with the reversal in the way its normally done, he wanted to stay right next to Evra and have Luis come to them rather than Evra go down to Luis incase anything happened and he would be about 15 people away..

      Thats all i think it was.
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      Reply #35: Feb 13, 2012 05:26:59 pm
      I think Phil Dowd may have had something to do with the reversal in the way its normally done, he wanted to stay right next to Evra and have Luis come to them rather than Evra go down to Luis incase anything happened and he would be about 15 people away..

      Thats all i think it was.

      Ah okay, that makes sense.
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #36: Feb 13, 2012 09:08:16 pm
      Damned if we do & Damned if we dont.....either way all those against Kenny,Suarez & club have got exactly what they wanted and must be rejoicing in the very fact.

      Piss off the lot.
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #37: Feb 13, 2012 10:08:08 pm
      Its far from the Liverpool way but we need a Spin doctor these days.. A slimey c**t like Alastair Campbell because we're getting mullered right now?
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #38: Feb 15, 2012 08:29:48 pm
      What would we do with a spin doctor
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      Reply #39: Feb 15, 2012 09:39:07 pm
      What would we do with a spin doctor

      Make him sing Two Princes... Constantly....
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      Reply #40: Feb 15, 2012 09:44:36 pm
      What would we do with a spin doctor
      We had one until September, Paul Tyrrell, his job was "Public Relations Manager" that is basically a spin doctor. His job was to make us look good in the media

       We are actively looking for a replacement
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #41: Feb 15, 2012 09:49:02 pm
      We had one until September, Paul Tyrrell, his job was "Public Relations Manager" that is basically a spin doctor. His job was to make us look good in the media

       We are actively looking for a replacement

      Id love that job.

      Be a right load of fookers banned from the Anfield press room thats for sure
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      Reply #42: Feb 15, 2012 09:50:41 pm
      Id love that job.

      Be a right load of fookers banned from the Anfield press room thats for sure

       ;D

      Tell me about it Brian..

      Kenny would be asking, quiet in here today?

      Yeah i banned the lot... Dickheads..
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #43: Feb 15, 2012 09:59:18 pm
      Id love that job.

      Be a right load of fookers banned from the Anfield press room thats for sure
      You have just failed the interview

       You have to be really really nice to those horrible, slimly, biased, creepy mother F***ing reporters
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #44: Feb 15, 2012 10:02:48 pm
        You have to be really really nice to those horrible, slimly, biased, creepy mother f**king reporters

      Do ye balls.

      You can be nice as pie to them doesnt mean they wont write all kinds of shi*e about ye. Fook em we know who they are just tell them you aint welcome here anymore
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      Re: Those who have lead us down a very shakey road
      Reply #45: Feb 15, 2012 10:05:22 pm
      Do ye balls.

      You can be nice as pie to them doesnt mean they wont write all kinds of shi*e about ye. Fook em we know who they are just tell them you aint welcome here anymore
      Your right !

       The job is yours

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