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      waltonl4
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20447: Nov 19, 2014 09:42:37 pm
      The same fans were singing Brendans name only 4 months ago.... You have to take the bad with the good.

      the same fans also know that we have fu**ed up big time.
      We have dreamed of having big money to spend and laughed at Spurs when they spunked ÂŁ100mil on dross and then we go and do exactly the same.
      Fans are entitled to be upset and disappointed by how poorly the club has managed its player recruitment this season, last season and for the last twenty seasons.
      Which idiot pushed for the Balotelli signing when all the footballing world couldn't believe we could be so desperate.
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20448: Nov 19, 2014 09:43:13 pm

      Whether ridiculous or not it's very likely that the injury will be in the back (or front) of his mind when he comes back which very likely could affect his form.
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20449: Nov 19, 2014 09:49:14 pm
      Whether ridiculous or not it's very likely that the injury will be in the back (or front) of his mind when he comes back which very likely could affect his form.

      It will probably affect his rehabilitation time too, as he and no doubt the staff will be very wary of pushing him too quickly or too hard.   
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20450: Nov 19, 2014 09:50:39 pm
      the same fans also know that we have fu**ed up big time.
      We have dreamed of having big money to spend and laughed at Spurs when they spunked ÂŁ100mil on dross and then we go and do exactly the same.
      Fans are entitled to be upset and disappointed by how poorly the club has managed its player recruitment this season, last season and for the last twenty seasons.
      Which idiot pushed for the Balotelli signing when all the footballing world couldn't believe we could be so desperate.


      Some of our transfers have been shocking, that no one can deny. The whole transfer system needs to be stripped back and rebuilt. I dont believe brendan should be the man to buy anyone anymore. BUT, he is the manager and he has the tools (no pun intended) to get us out of this mess. On the pitch EVERYONE of the players he bought have under performed. He cant be held accountable for that.

      He has his flaws.... but I persist, he is the manager of the club we support.... not abandon!

      Suppose we change the manager now... 4years time we will still be in a shambles of uncertainty with more than likely 2 more manager having come and gone. We will 100% not replace him with a Klopp or anyone of that Ilk... and the new manager will want their own team, players and backroom staff - more changes, we cant afford. Each requiring 2 seasons minimum to CHANGE their predecessors work.

      We need consistency to fix this mess.
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      Reply #20451: Nov 19, 2014 10:17:11 pm
      "Supporters" of Liverpool football club, should get behind the manager and team when we are struggling... not sharpen their knives and prepare "I told you so's"!

      Disgrace the sh*t some people are saying/inferring. 3 months ago we nearly won the league!

      Closest we've come to winning in recent memory. Though folks memory's are getting shorter and shorter.
      Tough times just at the moment - some questions for BR no doubt - but the man did enough for me last season to deserve the time, space and support to try answer them.
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20452: Nov 19, 2014 10:26:18 pm
      Closest we've come to winning in recent memory. Though folks memory's are getting shorter and shorter.
      Tough times just at the moment - some questions for BR no doubt - but the man did enough for me last season to deserve the time, space and support to try answer them.

      time isn't going to mend the problems we have and changing the manager isn't going to help either.
      Its about time the players showed some balls
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20453: Nov 19, 2014 10:26:39 pm
      Closest we've come to winning in recent memory. Though folks memory's are getting shorter and shorter.
      Tough times just at the moment - some questions for BR no doubt - but the man did enough for me last season to deserve the time, space and support to try answer them.

      That's the way I see it too mate.
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      Reply #20454: Nov 19, 2014 10:42:52 pm
      time isn't going to mend the problems we have and changing the manager isn't going to help either.
      Its about time the players showed some balls

      It really is. We need players to stop playing like deflated bitches and start earning that wage. Take some risks. ... although centre backs trying to lob forwards in our own half is a bit extreme...
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20455: Nov 19, 2014 10:49:50 pm
      It really is. We need players to stop playing like deflated bitches and start earning that wage. Take some risks. ... although centre backs trying to lob forwards in our own half is a bit extreme...

      cometh the hour cometh the man its time for someone to stand up and be counted
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20456: Nov 19, 2014 10:52:34 pm
      Hmmm....


      Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers losing patience with Daniel Sturridge injury woes, says Alan Brazil
      Alan Brazil has suggested Brendan Rodgers is losing patience with Daniel Sturridge's injury problems, with the Liverpool striker set for another spell on the sidelines.

      Sturridge suffered a recurrence earlier this week of the thigh problem he first suffered in September while on England duty.
      He is awaiting scan results and it is not yet known how long he will be out of action but it is almost certain he will be ruled out of this week's Barclays Premier League game at Crystal Palace.

      Rodgers has not been able to select Sturridge - who has also had a calf injury in between his thigh issues - since August 31 and Brazil, on his daily breakfast show on TalkSPORT, hinted that the Liverpool manager is becoming irritated by being without his first-choice striker.

      In conversation with co-host Mike Parry, Brazil said: 'I have heard that the staff, I won't say who but, are getting just a little bit fed up of what is going on there with Sturridge.'

      Parry replied: 'Erm, the staff, Al? You are going to have to tell us a little bit more about that. That's just a taster.'

      Brazil, who is friends with Rodgers, then said: 'Well, let's put it this way. I think Brendan is very, very upset… I mean, what is going on here? Why is he (Sturridge) always injured?'

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2840757/Brendan-Rodgers-losing-patience-Daniel-Sturridge-striker-prepares-spell-says-Alan-Brazil.html#ixzz3JWfFwEF7

      Brazil knows F**k all about what goes on at our club.

      Actually I could have ended that sentence at all.
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20457: Nov 21, 2014 12:31:09 pm
      Here's a good piece from Tony Barrett.

      Why Liverpool must avoid the lure of January sales
      For more than twenty years, the scenario has been the same. As soon as Liverpool encounter problems, they look to the transfer market for a solution only to end up creating new ones. If the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, an army of psychiatrists should head to Anfield in January for football’s bi-annual outbreak of lunacy.

      Having spent ÂŁ120 million on players in the summer but turned the second best team in the country into the kind of uninspiring mid-table fodder that they were sweeping aside with contemptuous ease last season, Liverpool have conspired to put themselves in a position in which new signings are seen as the panacea to all their ills. Demands for further spending are inevitable given what is at stake but they also fly in the face of prevailing logic. The last thing Liverpool should do in six weeks time is get involved in the January sales.

      At some point, someone at the club has to call a halt to one of the most ill-advised sprees since pools winner Viv Nicholson famously vowed to “Spend, spend, spend” and order an audit of all of the signings that Liverpool have made since Brendan Rodgers. The review should begin with an appraisal of every recruit and their impact on the team but it should not stop there. Before Liverpool shell out another penny, their entire transfer strategy and its implementation by committee needs to be assessed because the risks of allowing the current situation are far too great.

      The best that can be said of the nine signings that Liverpool made last summer is that it is still to early to judge them,, even if the early signs are not positive. Equally, it is damning that only Alberto Moreno could be regarded as a qualified success. The argument that the others will improve in time is all well and good but Liverpool cannot claim that they were not expecting an encouraging impact from at least some of them. Nor can they hide behind transition given that other clubs, Southampton being the most obvious example, are flourishing despite profound change.

      By common consensus, out of the 23 signings that Liverpool have made over the last two and a half years, only two – Daniel Sturridge and Philippe Coutinho – have been a resounding success. Given Sturridge is now a long- term absentee as a result of the injuries that have blighted him throughout his career and Coutinho is, like most at Liverpool, becoming an increasingly fitful and less effective presence without Luis Suárez, even their success stories are not without drawbacks. It is an appalling record.

      Clearly, something is not working. Depending on personal choice, responsibility for Liverpool’s failings in the transfer market lies at the feet of either Rodgers, the club’s scouts or the committee. But if there are any fingers to be pointed, they should first be aimed in the direction of the club’s owners, Fenway Sports Group (FSG) who not only determined Liverpool’s transfer strategy, they also put in place the young, up-and-coming manager, committee and scouting system that they wanted.

      If FSG are given credit for signing the cheques, as they should be, then they should also be questioned if the structure they implemented fails to provide value for money.

      The complex, almost clandestine, nature of how Liverpool go about their transfer business makes it almost impossible to assign each signing to either the manager or the committee, even if the setup that isn’t as great a departure from the traditional model as some would have us believe. The reality is that, as Rodgers himself freely admits, with the possible exception of Oussama Assiadi, not a single player has been signed against his wishes. He might have had to have his arm twisted on a few, Sturridge, Mario Balotelli and Mamadou Sakho being the most obvious examples, but, one way or another, they have all arrived with his blessing.


      Many questions remain unanswered . What exactly does Rodgers have the final say on? How much choice does Liverpool’s strict wages policy afford him and his scouting team who are competing for talent with some of the highest payers in world football? If, as Rodgers has claimed, the “calculated gamble” on Balotelli was forced by a lack of options, what does that say about Liverpool’s strategy? Why, when Suárez signed a contract that guaranteed his departure if a club met his release clause, did their list of attacking options have a Plan A in Alexis Sanchez with the only Plan B being Loïc Remy, a player with historic and well documented medical issues, and little else? You could go on and on.

      All of these issues would not be such a mounting concern if so many of the first-choice signings that Liverpool have made have not been so counterintuitive. After Rodgers said whereas other teams play with ten men and a goalkeeper his philosophy was “to play with eleven,” Liverpool went and signed Simon Mignolet who has shown no signs of being a sweeper keeper since his arrival. After he said last summer that he “would rather have one or two world class players than seven or eight who might not be able to help us,” Liverpool did the opposite.

      After paying £17 million for Sakho – described by Ian Ayre at the time as a “marquee signing” – Liverpool spent £20 million on another left sided centre back, Dejan Lovren, just 12 months later. Neither the departure of Suárez nor longstanding concerns about Sturridge’s durability prompted moves for players of their ilk, instead two of the most mobile forwards around have been replaced by two of the most immobile with Balotelli and Rickie Lambert being asked to fill a considerable void.

      None of this adds up. In the fullness of time, we might come back to look at Liverpool’s current transfer strategy as an object lesson in proving people wrong, as a case study in spotting, nurturing and fulfilling talent for the long term betterment of a team which critics had claimed was destined to fail. Alternatively, the status quo could continue and the failings which by now appear all too obvious will continue to undermine their chances of success.

      While the latter remains a genuine concern, Liverpool should examine what is going wrong and endeavour to put it right before even considering throwing good money after bad.

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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20458: Nov 21, 2014 12:38:04 pm
      Here's a good piece from Tony Barrett.

      Why Liverpool must avoid the lure of January sales
      For more than twenty years, the scenario has been the same. As soon as Liverpool encounter problems, they look to the transfer market for a solution only to end up creating new ones. If the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, an army of psychiatrists should head to Anfield in January for football’s bi-annual outbreak of lunacy.

      Having spent ÂŁ120 million on players in the summer but turned the second best team in the country into the kind of uninspiring mid-table fodder that they were sweeping aside with contemptuous ease last season, Liverpool have conspired to put themselves in a position in which new signings are seen as the panacea to all their ills. Demands for further spending are inevitable given what is at stake but they also fly in the face of prevailing logic. The last thing Liverpool should do in six weeks time is get involved in the January sales.

      At some point, someone at the club has to call a halt to one of the most ill-advised sprees since pools winner Viv Nicholson famously vowed to “Spend, spend, spend” and order an audit of all of the signings that Liverpool have made since Brendan Rodgers. The review should begin with an appraisal of every recruit and their impact on the team but it should not stop there. Before Liverpool shell out another penny, their entire transfer strategy and its implementation by committee needs to be assessed because the risks of allowing the current situation are far too great.

      The best that can be said of the nine signings that Liverpool made last summer is that it is still to early to judge them,, even if the early signs are not positive. Equally, it is damning that only Alberto Moreno could be regarded as a qualified success. The argument that the others will improve in time is all well and good but Liverpool cannot claim that they were not expecting an encouraging impact from at least some of them. Nor can they hide behind transition given that other clubs, Southampton being the most obvious example, are flourishing despite profound change.

      By common consensus, out of the 23 signings that Liverpool have made over the last two and a half years, only two – Daniel Sturridge and Philippe Coutinho – have been a resounding success. Given Sturridge is now a long- term absentee as a result of the injuries that have blighted him throughout his career and Coutinho is, like most at Liverpool, becoming an increasingly fitful and less effective presence without Luis Suárez, even their success stories are not without drawbacks. It is an appalling record.

      Clearly, something is not working. Depending on personal choice, responsibility for Liverpool’s failings in the transfer market lies at the feet of either Rodgers, the club’s scouts or the committee. But if there are any fingers to be pointed, they should first be aimed in the direction of the club’s owners, Fenway Sports Group (FSG) who not only determined Liverpool’s transfer strategy, they also put in place the young, up-and-coming manager, committee and scouting system that they wanted.

      If FSG are given credit for signing the cheques, as they should be, then they should also be questioned if the structure they implemented fails to provide value for money.

      The complex, almost clandestine, nature of how Liverpool go about their transfer business makes it almost impossible to assign each signing to either the manager or the committee, even if the setup that isn’t as great a departure from the traditional model as some would have us believe. The reality is that, as Rodgers himself freely admits, with the possible exception of Oussama Assiadi, not a single player has been signed against his wishes. He might have had to have his arm twisted on a few, Sturridge, Mario Balotelli and Mamadou Sakho being the most obvious examples, but, one way or another, they have all arrived with his blessing.


      Many questions remain unanswered . What exactly does Rodgers have the final say on? How much choice does Liverpool’s strict wages policy afford him and his scouting team who are competing for talent with some of the highest payers in world football? If, as Rodgers has claimed, the “calculated gamble” on Balotelli was forced by a lack of options, what does that say about Liverpool’s strategy? Why, when Suárez signed a contract that guaranteed his departure if a club met his release clause, did their list of attacking options have a Plan A in Alexis Sanchez with the only Plan B being Loïc Remy, a player with historic and well documented medical issues, and little else? You could go on and on.

      All of these issues would not be such a mounting concern if so many of the first-choice signings that Liverpool have made have not been so counterintuitive. After Rodgers said whereas other teams play with ten men and a goalkeeper his philosophy was “to play with eleven,” Liverpool went and signed Simon Mignolet who has shown no signs of being a sweeper keeper since his arrival. After he said last summer that he “would rather have one or two world class players than seven or eight who might not be able to help us,” Liverpool did the opposite.

      After paying £17 million for Sakho – described by Ian Ayre at the time as a “marquee signing” – Liverpool spent £20 million on another left sided centre back, Dejan Lovren, just 12 months later. Neither the departure of Suárez nor longstanding concerns about Sturridge’s durability prompted moves for players of their ilk, instead two of the most mobile forwards around have been replaced by two of the most immobile with Balotelli and Rickie Lambert being asked to fill a considerable void.

      None of this adds up. In the fullness of time, we might come back to look at Liverpool’s current transfer strategy as an object lesson in proving people wrong, as a case study in spotting, nurturing and fulfilling talent for the long term betterment of a team which critics had claimed was destined to fail. Alternatively, the status quo could continue and the failings which by now appear all too obvious will continue to undermine their chances of success.

      While the latter remains a genuine concern, Liverpool should examine what is going wrong and endeavour to put it right before even considering throwing good money after bad.



      Ah... good old Tony - he always pays particular attention to what's being written in here - maybe JD should 'hit' him for royalties?  >:D



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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20459: Nov 21, 2014 01:07:23 pm
      Here's a good piece from Tony Barrett.

      Why Liverpool must avoid the lure of January sales

      Many questions remain unanswered . What exactly does Rodgers have the final say on? How much choice does Liverpool’s strict wages policy afford him and his scouting team who are competing for talent with some of the highest payers in world football? If, as Rodgers has claimed, the “calculated gamble” on Balotelli was forced by a lack of options, what does that say about Liverpool’s strategy? Why, when Suárez signed a contract that guaranteed his departure if a club met his release clause, did their list of attacking options have a Plan A in Alexis Sanchez with the only Plan B being Loïc Remy, a player with historic and well documented medical issues, and little else? You could go on and on.


      And Tony Barrett certainly does ''go on and on''.
      The above is common knowledge while the remainder is opinionated comment with a leaning of allocated blame, a subtle lynch mob article no more, no less.

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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20460: Nov 21, 2014 01:23:35 pm
      I don't think many people are looking forward to the January transfer window
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      Reply #20461: Nov 21, 2014 01:46:21 pm
      I don't think many people are looking forward to the January transfer window

      I'm certainly not, because if the manager fails to sign a striker, this place will go into meltdown.
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      Reply #20462: Nov 21, 2014 01:47:13 pm
      Tony must be on here cause that's a decent summary of much discussion that's not always reflected in the mainstream media.

      This para is what concerns me most ...
      "Many questions remain unanswered . What exactly does Rodgers have the final say on? How much choice does Liverpool’s strict wages policy afford him and his scouting team who are competing for talent with some of the highest payers in world football? If, as Rodgers has claimed, the “calculated gamble” on Balotelli was forced by a lack of options, what does that say about Liverpool’s strategy? Why, when Suárez signed a contract that guaranteed his departure if a club met his release clause, did their list of attacking options have a Plan A in Alexis Sanchez with the only Plan B being Loïc Remy, a player with historic and well documented medical issues, and little else?"

      Don't agree fully, example re. the signings -- in addition to Moreno, I rate Sahko and Lovren - just think we lack the defensive organisation/coaching to get the best out of them/make them into a more solid unit. And I like Can and Lallana too.   In saying that, there's no 'costa/cesc/sanchez' level signing in midfield/up front, which ties back into the strategy question.
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      Reply #20463: Nov 21, 2014 02:13:11 pm
      Big week.
      Unlike the 'Madrid/Chelsea week', the C Palace/Ludogrets games are ones people will be looking for 3 points in.
      So imo, more pressure on BR now for these latter two games, that the former two.

      Will he 'rest' guys pre the CL match? Or vice versa. With the lines between 'PL XI' and 'Cup XI' (you know what I mean) so blurred, hard to predict who will play in each. Both important games. For me, PL pretty much always trumps CL - but we'll see what he does.
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      Reply #20464: Nov 21, 2014 02:14:12 pm
      Tony must be on here cause that's a decent summary of much discussion that's not always reflected in the mainstream media.

      This para is what concerns me most ...
      "Many questions remain unanswered . What exactly does Rodgers have the final say on? How much choice does Liverpool’s strict wages policy afford him and his scouting team who are competing for talent with some of the highest payers in world football? If, as Rodgers has claimed, the “calculated gamble” on Balotelli was forced by a lack of options, what does that say about Liverpool’s strategy? Why, when Suárez signed a contract that guaranteed his departure if a club met his release clause, did their list of attacking options have a Plan A in Alexis Sanchez with the only Plan B being Loïc Remy, a player with historic and well documented medical issues, and little else?"

      Don't agree fully, example re. the signings -- in addition to Moreno, I rate Sahko and Lovren - just think we lack the defensive organisation/coaching to get the best out of them/make them into a more solid unit. And I like Can and Lallana too.   In saying that, there's no 'costa/cesc/sanchez' level signing in midfield/up front, which ties back into the strategy question.

      Well, if there is a buy them young, sell them at their peak strategy as Lyon use, then BR would have known this when he took the job.
      I remember man u had a policy of not signing players over the age of 26, only for ferguson to bypass it whenever he felt he needed to.
      I don't think it's a matter of not paying the wages, it's more that we (allegedly) have highly incentivised contracts, with a relatively low basic wage (although still competitive), then loads of add-ons, which means the more successful the team is, the more players earn, although my understanding is that players who perform well consistently will also get improved contracts and add-ons.
      I've always said that this will cause problems when trying to attract established, class players, and so far I've seen/read nothing to change my mind about this.
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      Reply #20465: Nov 21, 2014 02:48:31 pm
      Very good press conference from Brendan.
      Seems bullish.
      He'll need to be.
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      Reply #20466: Nov 21, 2014 02:54:16 pm
      Very good press conference from Brendan.
      Seems bullish.
      He'll need to be.

      I missed it mate, what did he say?
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      Reply #20467: Nov 21, 2014 02:59:00 pm
      Here are the quotes from the boss on Sturridge, Palace and More

      On Daniel Sturridge’s injury:

      “Daniel has just been extremely unfortunate. He’s a player who doesn’t want to be out for this period of time with the quality he has.

      “I spoke to Daniel at length and he’s as down as I’ve seen anyone. We need to go away and find answers so he can perform consistently.

      “He looked very, very good in training, but one strike of the ball caused the issue. It was a slight tear of the same thigh he’s had problems with before. It’s unfortunate for both Daniel and us.”

      On Divock Origi’s possible return from Lille in January:

      “(Divock) Origi was a young player we signed last summer, and we had an agreement he had to stay at Lille until the summer.

      “That was one of the main reasons we were able to sign him. As far as I’m concerned that’s still the case with him.”

      On the struggling strikers at the club:

      “I have great trust in them. I would be more concerned if they were moping around or didn’t care.

      “They (Lambert and Borini) are working tirelessly despite not getting much playing time. Rickie is a player with great qualities who can give us something different.”

      On last season’s 3-3 draw at Palace, and Sunday’s game:

      “That wasn’t the game that cost us. The damage was always done in the Chelsea game. That was the one that changed it for us. But on reflection I was extremely proud.

      “Maybe the excitement to claw back the goal difference on Manchester City overtook us.

      “It will be equally as tough against Palace this season. Neil Warnock is a wonderful manager with big experience. We will look to start off an exciting run of games with a win.”

      On Jordan Henderson and Mario Balotelli‘s fitness:

      “I expect Jordan to be fit for Sunday’s game. He is fine. Mario will be assessed before the match.”

      I strongly disagree with this bit ..."Neil Warnock is a wonderful manager"
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      Reply #20468: Nov 21, 2014 03:03:25 pm
      I'm certainly not, because if the manager fails to sign a striker, this place will go into meltdown.

      His 3 strikers have a few weeks to start finding the net.
      If you gave me ÂŁ50 mil to go and buy a striker who do you buy that can fit in and make an impact added to which its clear Brendan isn't able to go into the market with a free hand that's why I am not looking forward to it
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      Re: Brendan Rodgers - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #20469: Nov 21, 2014 03:31:13 pm
      “That wasn’t the game that cost us. The damage was always done in the Chelsea game. That was the one that changed it for us. But on reflection I was extremely proud."

      I was lambasted earlier for pointing out that the manager had this view.

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