After that, (Liverpool 0-2 Arsenal) what's the worse case scenario this season?

 Sobering stuff that was. Outplayed, outfought and outhought on our own patch by an Arsenal team who realistically have zero pretensions on finishing top 3. It could have been worse too, we were another goal away from it turning into a really embarrassing result, our heads were already down and we could have lost by a cricket score.

 So the question is, how bad could it get this season? Obviously we cannot buy anyone until January, and even shrewdly picking up non contract players would require a miracle in order to cover the obvious holes in our squad. Could we possibly flirt with relegation, could we be easily bottom half?

 My guess is that we could be in a bit of trouble if today is anything to go by. We looked a poor team to me, dispirited very easily, lacking in ideas going forward. Gerrard looks to me to be nowhere near at 100% fitness, ditto Sahin, while Luis looks like the type of player for whom it wouldn't take too much for him to start casting glances towards warmer climbs. I fear it's going to be a much longer and rockier road than many of us thought.

 I feel for the manager on this. He has been stitched up by Kenny/Commolli (I know that will be controversial but I believe it to be so) in that he's been left with a bunch of expensive players on big money who are sh!te. Secondly he's been stitched up by the Yanks, who have made him reduce the wage bill drastically but haven't allowed him to bring replacements in. I back Brendan Rogers 100%. I think he's a good manager, and what's more I think he's a good man. I want him to be given however long it takes and however much it costs to rebuild our great club. It's time for everyone to pull together, but we are going to take a few beatings and we need the fans to be far better at supporting the team than they were today.   

what we cannot do is rely on our home form thats as bad as our away form.
The heads are down there is an apathy in the club an atmosphere of fear and we have nobody to lift it.

  He has been stitched up by Kenny/Commolli (I know that will be controversial but I believe it to be so) in that he's been left with a bunch of expensive players on big money who are sh!te.

I agree with everything apart from this bit. Those "sh*te players " got 4 more points against the same 3 teams in the same fixtures last season.

I have no argument with Brendan selling players that do not fit his style of play, just with people dismissing players as sh*te then drooling over tiki taki and our new signings..... when we are doing WORSE.

It will take time with Brendan..... a lot of time if FSG don't F***ing get their finger out. We were sold short last season when we had no quality replacement for Lucas and didn't get the striker we so badly needed, if we are unlucky with injuries I can see us struggling again this season as we are now two strikers short after the recent debacle with Carroll.

O.K............ I KNOW .........BACK IN THE BOX till we win.       

What's happened to us in a week?
Last Sunday we were fantastic and if we never gave that pass to Tevez we would have won the game against last seasons champions and the biggest spenders there is.
So what have we done, got rid of Adam, Spearing & Carroll but who out of those were the reason for the great display last week?
Yes I know when we went behind and we had to find a goal from somewhere we are left well short but for me the most disappointing thing was how it looked like our heads went down when the players on the pitch looked like they knew we didn't look like scoring and their work rate lowered and made us look like a very poor team.
So what do we do?

Suddenly a trophy, two cup finals, European football & an 8th place finish would seem like a great achievment for this season..

Massive task ahead for BR.

Worse case scenario struggling at the wrong end of the table, with an inadequate squad, to cope in the Premier league. January is a  long way off to find a striker to add to a rather threadbare squad. Brendan has been let down badly by the owners as everyone knows.

But Werner said we coul dcompete with any club .What a liar complete tw*t.
What will be left to play for come january and now we are being linked with Owen God knows what will become of us in the years ahead if these muppets stay.

I think we could be in for our worst season in the prem. Baffling transfer window, top players playing poorly. I am very worried.

I hope we don't pay for not signing a strker this summer. Not looking good upfront, same as last year, looking midtable at best

I HOPE we can hopefully patch things up, still in push for european places come January. If not I really do fear the worst, if we do stay around the bottom half of the table, Im sure we wont get relegated but I would definitely warm myself for a tough battle.

I feel that we are in for a struggle this season. Very similar to last season. BR is the right man I get us playing football again and I believe to get us challenging for te champions league again. It's obvious something went wrong with the transfers because BR was not answering the question. Will Owen help? Maybe in Europa league and league cup but I think we need much more then a striker to fix our problems. We can on wait and see!

 

If we have a couple of injuries to forward players relegation to be honest. If U can't score goals your fu**ed.

Was worried how we struggled against hearts midweek

The words from the owners was "stabilise" this season, think we all realised that they were driving expectations down but honestly "stabilise" translates to putting a hole in the ship with what has transpired. We're sinking and the most annoying factor is that we have the right manager who has brought in an exceptional player in Allen so obviously has an eye for talent and wasn't backed. Unfortunately I see us struggling to score goals until January and then hopefully it will be addressed but don't hold your breath.

Sobering stuff that was. Outplayed, outfought and outhought on our own patch by an Arsenal team who realistically have zero pretensions on finishing top 3. It could have been worse too, we were another goal away from it turning into a really embarrassing result, our heads were already down and we could have lost by a cricket score.

 So the question is, how bad could it get this season? Obviously we cannot buy anyone until January, and even shrewdly picking up non contract players would require a miracle in order to cover the obvious holes in our squad. Could we possibly flirt with relegation, could we be easily bottom half?

 My guess is that we could be in a bit of trouble if today is anything to go by. We looked a poor team to me, dispirited very easily, lacking in ideas going forward. Gerrard looks to me to be nowhere near at 100% fitness, ditto Sahin, while Luis looks like the type of player for whom it wouldn't take too much for him to start casting glances towards warmer climbs. I fear it's going to be a much longer and rockier road than many of us thought.

 I feel for the manager on this. He has been stitched up by Kenny/Commolli (I know that will be controversial but I believe it to be so) in that he's been left with a bunch of expensive players on big money who are sh!te. Secondly he's been stitched up by the Yanks, who have made him reduce the wage bill drastically but haven't allowed him to bring replacements in. I back Brendan Rogers 100%. I think he's a good manager, and what's more I think he's a good man. I want him to be given however long it takes and however much it costs to rebuild our great club. It's time for everyone to pull together, but we are going to take a few beatings and we need the fans to be far better at supporting the team than they were today.   

I find it strange that we can start random threads on how bad things could be when we lose to Arsenal in our 3rd league game whilst performing badly but cannot start threads to talk about how good things could get after holding and outplaying the uber rich Premier league Champions a week earlier in our 2nd.

Maybe its just me though, but I'm not too sure.

Get a grip everyone, we will get there, it's going to be tough, but we will get there    eventually.

I agree with everything apart from this bit. Those "sh*te players " got 4 more points against the same 3 teams in the same fixtures last season.

I have no argument with Brendan selling players that do not fit his style of play, just with people dismissing players as sh*te then drooling over tiki taki and our new signings..... when we are doing WORSE.

It will take time with Brendan..... a lot of time if FSG don't f**king get their finger out. We were sold short last season when we had no quality replacement for Lucas and didn't get the striker we so badly needed, if we are unlucky with injuries I can see us struggling again this season as we are now two strikers short after the recent debacle with Carroll.

O.K............ I KNOW .........BACK IN THE BOX till we win.       

I'm with Saint on this one - as I said in another thread the time to blame Kenny & DC went when they were sacked. Culpability now sits with the remaining senior management in-situ at that time.

We were manifestly unlucky from day 1 last season but ultimately it wasn't good enough - thus far we haven't been unlucky, we've been toothless in attack and shallow in depth and failed to address either in the window.

 I also feel for BR - the money men shifted shifted units and failed to recognise or understand the ares that needed cover

And in answer to the question - I honestly don't know right now.

blaming Kenny and Comoli is a joke.
That team today had Brendans players in it playing Brendans tactics.The fact is we are sh*te because we dont have a team of sufficient quality and have ZERO chance of top 4 without having a goalscorer in the side.It doesnt take 2 years to work that one out.What is going on has nothing to do with football and everything to do with fsg and there cost cutting.

3 games played,  refusing to panic.

Ideally not the best start, but we haven't been handed the easiest of fixtures to start.

Cue the relegation doomsayers!

Worst case scenario?


FSG scouting League 2 and Norway for our clinical striker come January.

Reina's form is worrying

Defense needs improving.

Midfield isn't far away from ideal, Gerrard needs to up his game.

Forwards need shooting practice.

Only wolves had a worse record than us after Christmas last year.

Joe Allen for Striker!

Why not he does everything.

Only wolves had a worse record than us after Christmas last year.

I don't see the relevance to what might happen this season.

I honestly think the worst case scenario is we could be around mid table come January and then the onus will be on FSG again to fund the manager and get some attacking options in.

Reina's form is worrying

Defense needs improving.

Midfield isn't far away from ideal, Gerrard needs to up his game.

Forwards need shooting practice.

My thoughts exactly

Expecto Patronum!

Expecto Patronum!

For Narnia!

Only wolves had a worse record than us after Christmas last year.

Christ! Someone should have said!

I don't see the relevance to what might happen this season.

I honestly think the worst case scenario is we could be around mid table come January and then the onus will be on FSG again to fund the manager and get some attacking options in.

I do when its the same problem goals taken into account Carroll Bellamy kuyt and maxi are gone which is a third of our goals and assists last season. Think it's very relevant.

By then no player of quality wuld want to join our glorious club so we'll still end up with average or mediocre players and probably the few good ones would be preparing to leave for pastures new

robbie fowler ‏@Robbie9Fowler

Hold my hand up.Top 4 is a long long long way off,honestly thought there was half a chance,just felt other team were not that great,

Reina's form is worrying

Defense needs improving.

Midfield isn't far away from ideal, Gerrard needs to up his game.

Forwards need shooting practice.

Bingo.

Worst case scenario for this season? We finish on the lower end of the table, behind Swansea and behind West Ham, after we lose to each of them both times, to Swansea as a result of Laudrup's new tactics and to West Ham as a result of Andy Carroll hat-tricks both games.

Worse case scenario? We finish where we did last season; 8th position.

BUT: We will strengthen in January. Jermaine Defoe or Darren Bent. Proven premiership goal scorers

Ya premiership proven have we learnt nothing.

Really poor start to the season  and understandably emotions and expectations are confused. Any new manager likes to put his own stamp on their new club and the road ahead looks rocky . To achieve a top 4 is unrealistic and I think a top 6 would be a result to build on . We got rid of experienced players to make way for the younger players and put our striker option on loan . Bold moves for Brendan which he needs time to prove his ideas, not panicking just yet ...

Ya premiership proven have we learnt nothing.

Yeah, lets go and get a Morientes or Baros type, because  foreigners always work.  Our best player so far this season, what league did he play in last season?

 Things we know for certain number one: Whoever it is, we need SOMEONE ELSE who is at least an option off the bench or as a starter as a forward. If it's not Morgan (and I've barely seen the lad play but my guess is it isn't) and it's not the young kid we've just bought (ditto), then we need to get somebody who's available. Don't know who it is, I'd rather it not be Owen or Drogba, but needs must.

Yeah, lets go and get a Morientes or Baros type, because  foreigners always work.  Our best player so far this season, what league did he play in last season?

Reserves

If our top players sort themselves out and start performing like they should we''ll definitely be in the top 10 come January. But if we continue to play like we did today,  we're fu**ed.

3 games played,  refusing to panic.

Ideally not the best start, but we haven't been handed the easiest of fixtures to start.

Get a grip everyone, we will get there, it's going to be tough, but we will get there    eventually.

Craiglad and  Gareth have it sussed this is a Marthon and not a Sprint, I'll put money on Swansea and Liverpool not being in there current positions come the seasons end !
As dark as it may seem there are people on this fourm Who've seen us in the 2nd Division !
Lets see how the Chavs and the Scum go on against Citeh and the Arse at home !

Craiglad and  Gareth have it sussed this is a Marthon and not a Sprint, I'll put money on Swansea and Liverpool not being in there current positions come the seasons end !
As dark as it may seem there are people on this fourm Who've seen us in the 2nd Division !
Lets see how the Chavs and the Scum go on against Citeh and the Arse at home !

I totally agree Steve,we could/should of had the game won at half time.Some of our players need to take a leaf from the Shelvey book and shoot on sight when near the goal area.Disappointed with the result but what sort of supporters would we be if we were not disappointed with a loss.

Ya premiership proven have we learnt nothing.

Is it me, or do your views follow the popular opinions now? Will the real 'slim shady' please stand up?

Or do popular opinions follow his views now? 

Say what you like corbally's seemingly rash words last season have ended up spot on.

brendan rogers has to take some blame he let kuyt , bellamy go, and didnt fancy carroll if he is that good he should have made carroll better . i looked at bench today and was very worried is drogba a free agent yet

brendan rogers has to take some blame he let kuyt , bellamy go, and didnt fancy carroll if he is that good he should have made carroll better . i looked at bench today and was very worried is drogba a free agent yet

Kuyt had a clause in his contract which was triggered by Fenerbache, he even stated himself he was open to new challenges. Deal was effectively done and dusted before Rodgers came through the door. Can't blame BR.

Bellamy had his heart set on a return back to Cardiff before Kenny had packed his belongings. Stated he was moving back for purely family reasons and nothing or no-one could of changed his mind. Again nothing BR could of done.

He let Carroll go because he was fully expecting the hierarchy at the club to push through the transfer which he was assurred would happen on the back of Carroll's loan. It didnt, and he was badly let down by the club, as you could tell by todays interview.

There are many directions to point the fingers, none of them should be at Rodgers though.

sorry dont agree clubs like us should not be in this position, rogers didnt fancy carroll whenn he came to the club why wait, can we recall him

Kuyt had a clause in his contract which was triggered by Fenerbache, he even stated himself he was open to new challenges. Deal was effectively done and dusted before Rodgers came through the door. Can't blame BR.

Bellamy had his heart set on a return back to Cardiff before Kenny had packed his belongings. Stated he was moving back for purely family reasons and nothing or no-one could of changed his mind. Again nothing BR could of done.

He let Carroll go because he was fully expecting the hierarchy at the club to push through the transfer which he was assurred would happen on the back of Carroll's loan. It didnt, and he was badly let down by the club, as you could tell by todays interview.

There are many directions to point the fingers, none of them should be at Rodgers though.

Top post Danny and spot on, the bashers are already coming out and it will get worse before it gets better, the only one we have left to trust is the gaffer.

It's sure as hell not the owners/director/ board.

2 years ago we had played 3, won 1 drew 1 and lost 1, scored 2, conceeded 4 and had 4 points, last year after 3 games we had won 2 drew 1 lost 0 scored 6 conceeded 2 and had 7 points, today we have played 3, won 0 drew 1 and lost 2, scored 2 and conceeded 7 and have 1 point. 2 years ago we knew Woy wasn't up to the job, I'm getting that Déjá Vu feeling ! But the most worrying thing for me is that by the time the January window opens no-one will want to join us because we won't be challenging for any CL places but more likely fighting our way into a relegation battle ! I'm worried, very worried !

Ask yourselves this, are we weaker or stronger this season or last, rodgers has to take some blame if he came in and said he doesnt fancy carroll that was a month ago ,everyone and his dog new it but nothing happened, no sigings except for midfield players and unknown wingers, disappointing

Top post Danny and spot on, the bashers are already coming out and it will get worse before it gets better, the only one we have left to trust is the gaffer.

It's sure as hell not the owners/director/ board.

This forum is getting filled with self-righteous, intolerant fans that resort to labelling fans who dare voice a different opinion from the one they hold.

You are not a better fan by being more optimistic or less critical. That is why it is called a forum. If everyone shared your view, the forum would be a boring place to come to.

No need calling anyone a basher.

Ask yourselves this, are we weaker or stronger this season or last, rodgers has to take some blame if he came in and said he doesnt fancy carroll that was a month ago ,everyone and his dog new it but nothing happened, no sigings except for midfield players and unknown wingers, disappointing

The only thing I ask myself is why a 2 year member with 150 posts/-5 rating comes in to contribute on a down day; post 1/2 dozen times bashing the manager and Joe Allen after 3 matches.

That to me is much more concerning than the lack of goals.

Very curious indeed.

Today could have very well been a bad day at the office. Our first XI is not terrible. But today did show that if the starters have a sh*t show as a group, we don't have much on the bench to change games.

When was the last time Pepe Reina had an outstanding game for the reds?

Not looking to blame or argue but I'm struggling to remember when...

to be honest, you need only look at the bench to see that we are in a bit of trouble! wouldn't mind seeing Drogba in a Liverpool shirt!!

This forum is getting filled with self-righteous, intolerant fans that resort to labelling fans who dare voice a different opinion from the one they hold.

You are not a better fan by being more optimistic or less critical. That is why it is called a forum. If everyone shared your view, the forum would be a boring place to come to.

No need calling anyone a basher.

If you can't sniff a wind up this obvious that's a you problem. 2 years on this board, only posting when things are bad with never anything good to say.

Your right the forum would be boring, I have taken more sh*te on this board then most for my opinions, so I don,'t need you to remind me.

He posts are not about opinions they are about a wind up, because in 2 years that's the only time he posts.

if your more concerned with me only having 150 posts than our lack of goals (strkiers) you must have made some interesting observations in  your 1st 2940 posts

Heads went down after Arsenal scored their first and unfortunately our captain needs a rocket up his arse, Gerrard was absolutely sh*te today, I don't think even he knew whether he was playing midfield or as a second striker today.

Not getting Dempsey in has seriously hurt our striking options, even a blind man would know we needed an extra striker (this may get continued in the Ian Ayres thread!!)

i aint on a wind up i disallusioned at what we have become,

If you can't sniff a wind up this obvious that's a you problem. 2 years on this board, only posting when things are bad with never anything good to say.

Your right the forum would be boring, I have taken more sh*te on this board then most for my opinions, so I don,'t need you to remind me.

He posts are not about opinions they are about a wind up, because in 2 years that's the only time he posts.

Didn't you just accuse me of pushing an anti-BR agenda? You need some air really.

Didn't you just accuse me of pushing an anti-BR agenda? You need some air really.

4,000+ posts and here all the time like you are, holds a lot more credibility (whether I agree with you or not) then someone who contributes jack sh*te to this forum 150 times over a 2 year period.

He doesn't need your protection Sol, he will disappear for another 6 months soon enough.

im not against BR im just unhappy that he would discard players as soon as he arrives and then doesnt replace them, i looked at bench today and was very worried,even more worried now

i dont post as much as you as im travelling to and from matches home and away, if posting gives you a better knowledge than some one who has missed 10 games in 30 years your the man

Glad the players don't give up as easily as some on here.

I know things look pretty dire right now but we still have plenty of time to get the ship righted.

If I remember correctly people wrote off the Gunners after a month or so last season?

IBWT

Glad the players don't give up as easily as some on here.

I know things look pretty dire right now but we still have plenty of time to get the ship righted.

If I remember correctly people wrote off the Gunners after a month or so last season?

IBWT

think the players did today ,and the gunners did nothing last season no trophy for six years

Glad the players don't give up as easily as some on here.

I know things look pretty dire right now but we still have plenty of time to get the ship righted.

If I remember correctly people wrote off the Gunners after a month or so last season?

IBWT

It was utterly F***ing sh*te today and we were so devoid of ideas it was untrue, so much so I fu**ed off back to the boozer with ten minutes to go and it's a long time since I've done that

4,000+ posts and here all the time like you are, holds a lot more credibility (whether I agree with you or not) then someone who contributes jack sh*te to this forum 150 times over a 2 year period.

He doesn't need your protection Sol, he will disappear for another 6 months soon enough.

I wasn't protecting him. Didn't read his post. I read yours. The 'basher' thing caught my attention.

I support BR 100%. I was pissed at the way he handled Carroll; like it or not, Carroll is the best header in the premiership, he is also very aware of the locations of players around him, he knos how to hold the ball and shield it too. He defends corners well. Was it too much to work with him till January? Then we end up letting him go without adequate cover, no thanks to the moneymen.

But I want him to prosper as LFC Manager.

^AZ quoted the wrong post, i think his reply was meant for Davepolo

Its even worse than last year,there are no easy answers. There is more pain on the way, the reds are living in the past. We are no longer a great club, thats a fact.Wake up and smell the coffee.why do we even pick players who are underperforming. There has been major errors in the transfer market, which affects the dressing  room morale.which must be at an all time low.You well my brain is not getting enough blood for one

Glad the players don't give up as easily as some on here.

You did watch the game today didn't you?

Plenty of those players looked as if they had given up from what I seen and it's a poor thing when the younger players are showing those who should know better, including our captain, how it should be done.

This is a forum,everyone is entitled to their opinions.As supposed Liverpool supporters,all views are valid.They may not be agreed with or respected,but no-one has the right to dismiss them because of predudice against "posting numbers".Our Daz has many thousand posts,but if he ever talked sh*te,I would post against him.Respect the member,or prove them wrong,before dismissing.We already have too many rightious "Mods",no need for un-official moderators.

You did watch the game today didn't you?

Plenty of those players looked as if they had given up from what I seen and it's a poor thing when the younger players are showing those who should know better, including our captain, how it should be done.

Actually didn't get to see much today srs....away from a computer, was it that bad?

Even still, I just think we all need to try and highlight the positives and get behind the manager and the team as its going to be a long season. Does us no good to moan and be negative about everything does it?

Aside from Joe Allen no positives

We let Diaby boss the show. We should have had a peno or 2 but that woud only paper over the cracks

Going to be a tough few months but we need to support the boss and the lads

It's hard not feeling dispondent even though it's only 3 games into the season.

If something happens to Suarez we are in royal sh*t. If he has a bad game like he did last night we are in royal sh*t. No Plan B, C or even D.

It's not because we have only played three games , today's team were more or less the same team that played on Thursday and they looked knackered today they played badly against Hearts and today we looked worse than Thursday, Rogers then says Carroll should not have been let go, what is going on when last week he said we can't have a 35mill striker as third choice, if that's the case where is the second choice, I think Rogers is out of his depth and the people around him have no experience at this level, the Welsh No.2 he brought with him was coaching in league one not long back what experience does he have, I despair when I look at the start we made it could have been avoided so easily but we seem to be learning by mistakes  and that's no way to run a football club of this magnitude and if the owners are not careful we may take years to recover. We are supposedly one of the biggest club sides in Europe according to the people who bought us yet they run us like a corner shop while even Everton are getting players in we seem to let them go without replacements, what game are FSG playing .

Im not panicking just yet , Brendan couldnt have had worse luck really, we got a man sent off in the first game, should have beaten the champions in the second and just played badly in the third.

The transfer dealing in the transfer window is a big screw up, i dont care who is at fault...thats a mess.

But i have faith and always try and think that sterling, Allen ect will step up and it will start to go our way.

Im not sure on FSG but i think they are clearly stabilising the club financially, clearing out all excess players, lowering the wage structure, and then rebuilding from the ground up.

 For me the worst case scenario is that we are in a relegation dogfight all season. The next month or so are vital in terms of avoiding that, and we need to pick up some solid results over our next half dozen matches. I think the likelyhood is that we will improve, particularly if we get a bit more pragmatic in our approach and "build from the back" in time honoured style. If we don't get credible reinforcements in though before January, my feeling is that a top half finish is the absolute pinnacle of our realistic ambition.

For me the worst case scenario is that we are in a relegation dogfight all season. The next month or so are vital in terms of avoiding that, and we need to pick up some solid results over our next half dozen matches. I think the likelyhood is that we will improve, particularly if we get a bit more pragmatic in our approach and "build from the back" in time honoured style. If we don't get credible reinforcements in though before January, my feeling is that a top half finish is the absolute pinnacle of our realistic ambition.

I defo dont think we will be in a relegation dogfight, but i will reserve full judgement until we have played 10+ games in the PL, playing two top four teams and a third game with a sending off is not good grounds for a prediction just yet.

Cue the relegation doomsayers!

After 10 games if we are still in the bottom 3 will you join them if not at what point because after away to Sunderland and home to UTD I dont think we will be adding more than a point.
Now the club is bathed in mediocrity and depression you can see the players needed a lift and all we can come up with is Michael Owen.
Soon the well known phrase of "too big to go down" will start.

After 10 games if we are still in the bottom 3 will you join them if not at what point because after away to Sunderland and home to UTD I dont think we will be adding more than a point.
Now the club is bathed in mediocrity and depression you can see the players needed a lift and all we can come up with is Michael Owen.
Soon the well known phrase of "too big to go down" will start.

Jeez thats optimism for you

we dont know whats going to happen, i think this is all way too early to talk about relegation, lets review it after 10 games instead of being down all the time ey?

Damn there are some doom merchants one here A week ago we were world class almost beating the champs, then after the last game we are up for relegation? Please get a grip.... I knew that without a striker in the window, we would struggle up front, but dont think for one moment that this players will just roll over or hide in the next few games.

Funny enough, should we somehow be able to get 2 strikers (anybody proven), im certain this team would look like world-beaters again.
Confidence is low and will remain low until somebody walks in the door who the players believe will score goals, but i think we as supporters can do alot better in actually being supportive.

Jeez thats optimism for you

we dont know whats going to happen, i think this is all way too early to talk about relegation, lets review it after 10 games instead of being down all the time ey?

You will find that some folks thrive on doom and gloom. Even when things are going well there will be a certain contingent of the forum that will find things to gripe about.

Job to believe that the same team played against City and Arsenal. Gerrard seems to thrive on the moments of inspiration he is always capable of. He needs to raise his game when he is being challenged for superiority in midfield. If he is on anything but top form, he drifts in and out of games, his head goes down and the oposition take advantage. He needs to stop feeling sorry for himself when things aren't so good and get some fight in him which helps to lift players around him. He was bossed against the Arse and didn't have the fight in him to respond. Mabey that comes with age, or maybe he just picks his moments agains lesser oponents. who knows. We defo need our inspirational captain back, as at the moment he doesn't seem to want to be on the park.
Obviously if things don't improve rapidly, we will be in a relegation fight, if we can perform more like we did against City we could survive until Jan. Then we have the problem of finding a decent striker who would leave his club, mid season and join us, and for what price. The longer the problem goes on, the less atractive we become, we have no other choice but to turn things around with what we've got. A big ask, but putting aside the W.B.A. Debacle, we have had one terrific performance against City, and a dour performance against Arsenal. Can we up the confidence and belief and raise our game again, only time will tell. We will now see what sort of man manager Brendan is, as well as a football manager. He has to lift his troops, and if he can and we can also avoid any more injuries, we could turn things around, if only to avoid the drop but as things are forget a top 4. We could make top 10 and rebuild for next season but we need NSV to get the cheque book out. Not for the crazy money spent on Carroll, Henderson and Downing, Aquilani,  but decent money for decent proven players. we've been playing on potential for far too long now, time we played with some real class in the squad.
We can do it, the players need to sit and watch that City game over and over to remind them of how it's done.  Hard bloody graft, chasing every ball and closing down opponents when they have the ball. Keep pressing and forcing mistakes, bully, boss, and terrify teams. Attack with pace, more movement off the ball in last third, pull defenders around a bit. We don't vary our attacks enough and are becoming so predictable, we make it easy for teams.
 I know we can recover from this, although at the same time i'm worried shitless.

We cant score F***ing goals, thats our problem. I can see a bottom half finish coming our way. I was looking at the Everton team the other day and I would happily swap 5 of their players for any of our starting line up.

Howard for Reina
Baines for Johnson
Fellaini for Gerrard
Piennar for Downing
Jelavic for Borini

We cant score f**king goals, thats our problem. I can see a bottom half finish coming our way. I was looking at the Everton team the other day and I would happily swap 5 of their players for any of our starting line up.

Howard for Reina
Baines for Johnson
Fellaini for Gerrard
Piennar for Downing
Jelavic for Borini

Fellaini for Gerrard !!!, even with a broken leg Gerrard would still be better than the most overrated player in the history of the premiership.

We cant score f**king goals, thats our problem. I can see a bottom half finish coming our way. I was looking at the Everton team the other day and I would happily swap 5 of their players for any of our starting line up.

Howard for Reina
Baines for Johnson
Fellaini for Gerrard
Piennar for Downing
Jelavic for Borini

Strange that cause yesterday someone on my twitter feed re-tweeted some thing from an Everton fan club twitter an they said this was the best merseyside XI...

Howard, Johnson, Agger, Jagielka, Baines, Fellaini, Osman, Gerrard, Pienaar, Suarez, Jelavic.

Obviously its gonna be bias towards Everton but I think swap Allen/Lucas for Osman then thats probably right. Maybe Skrtel instead of Jagielka but Skrtel has made a few howlers soo far.

We cant score F***ing goals, thats our problem. I can see a bottom half finish coming our way. I was looking at the Everton team the other day and I would happily swap 5 of their players for any of our starting line up.

Howard for Reina
Baines for Johnson
Fellaini for Gerrard
Piennar for Downing
Jelavic for Borini

Nice. Go ahead swap away, and you may as well change allegiances.

You can keep all that rot. I'll keep supporting who we have, as we will improve.

I wouldn't piss on an Everton player if he was on fire and I would never compare them to any of our players.

I agree with everything apart from this bit. Those "sh*te players " got 4 more points against the same 3 teams in the same fixtures last season.

I have no argument with Brendan selling players that do not fit his style of play, just with people dismissing players as sh*te then drooling over tiki taki and our new signings..... when we are doing WORSE.

That's a bit of a ridiculous comparison, isn't it? "Same fixtures" mean nothing at all, and some of our new signings that people are supposedly "drooling over" have not even played a single game yet.

I agree with everything apart from this bit. Those "sh*te players " got 4 more points against the same 3 teams in the same fixtures last season.

I have no argument with Brendan selling players that do not fit his style of play, just with people dismissing players as sh*te then drooling over tiki taki and our new signings..... when we are doing WORSE.

It will take time with Brendan..... a lot of time if FSG don't F***ing get their finger out. We were sold short last season when we had no quality replacement for Lucas and didn't get the striker we so badly needed, if we are unlucky with injuries I can see us struggling again this season as we are now two strikers short after the recent debacle with Carroll.

O.K............ I KNOW .........BACK IN THE BOX till we win.       

If we had invested in a proper replacement for Lucas and a striker last January we could have got 4th place.
No doubt especially if you look at where we were in relation to Newcastle at the time.

We will need investment come January not hollow words.

Heard some people say relegation is worst case which even with our lack of a striker is almost laughable. I think if like last season a lot does go wrong we'll end up just outside the Europa League spots.

Worst case scenario is this: 

If Suarez gets injured and misses a large chunk of the season, we will struggle for creativity and goals and could finish as low as 10th.  As long as Luis stays healthy, we have enough depth in the other areas of the pitch to cope with injuries and still finish in the top 6. 

Best case scenario is if we can keep all of our best 16 players (Reina, Johno, Kelly, Skrtel, Agger, Coates, Enrique, Lucas, Allen, Gerrard, Sahin, Shelvey, Sterling, Borini, Downing and Suarez) healthy for the entire season then we could possibly pip 4th place. 

Most likely scenario:  We have a few injury problems and suspensions, but we manage to finish 6th while bringing a few future stars such as Shelvey and Sterling into the 1st team on a regular basis. 

Could be better, but could also be worse.....  I'll hope for the best and go into every game believing that we will win!! 

I dont this team has what it takes to make a top 4 place.

City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea all have better teams, deeper teams, Spurs are deeper too and Swansea have reloaded very well.
Teams that are of comparable depth are Newcastle, Everton........and even then, you would have to consider that there is the little case of Europa League fixtures that are bound to give the team some type of fatigue going forward.

Best case scenario is that the team does not get injuries going forward, one will argue that there is depth, but quality is lacking in so many areas.

One only had to look at the benches at the weekend....all Liverpool had to look forward to was Lucas and Maybe Assaidi. Arsenal on the other hand could say they had Gervinho, Walcott, Sagna, Koscielny, Rosicky, Wilshere and several keepers who could have gotten into their team for that specific match.