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      Reply #39750: Jun 15, 2019 12:52:45 am
      Who'd have thought that we'd have said Phillipe Coutinho is now completely irrelevant to Liverpool Football Club. There are some players like Suarez and Alonso where you can look back and think "damn!" if only we had kept them. With Coutinho though, wow, who'd have thought we would have gotten so much better without him. He leaves and we go on and have 2 Champions League finals and get 97 points in the league. Just highlights how much we relied on him and how he was actually holding us back IMO.

      Even if he wanted to come back, I don't hink us fans have anything to be even remotely concerned about or even need to give it a thought because I don't think there is a chance in hell Klopp would even want him back with the amount of disrespect Coutinho showed towards him and the club. Klopp said Coutinho could have had a statue with us but would just be an ordinary player anywhere else, but to be fair, Klopp was maybe a little bit wrong there...he's not even ordinary at Barca, he's almost as irrelevant there as he is here. Will go down in history though, biggest ever transfer failure.

      It quickly dawns that the thing with Coutinho was that he was a player of great moments but he was never a great player. More an exhibitionist than anything and maybe, given how much we've improved with him gone and how bang average he is at Barca, an exhibitionist is all he will ever be.

      Re signing him (which we won't do because I think Jürgen would rather eat his own nutsack than retread tracks that led us nowhere) would be a step back for us.
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      Reply #39751: Jun 15, 2019 12:57:21 am
      Re signing him (which we won't do because I think Jürgen would rather eat his own nutsack than retread tracks that led us nowhere) would be a step back for us.

      I remember reading around the time Arsenal signed Aubameyang that Klopp refuses to look at signing players he's previously worked with. You could argue that wasn't the case with Gotze but there's talk that we were never actually after him and Mane was the target all along. Makes sense, why work with past players when you are trying to move forward.
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      Reply #39752: Jun 15, 2019 01:02:14 am
      I remember reading around the time Arsenal signed Aubameyang that Klopp refuses to look at signing players he's previously worked with. You could argue that wasn't the case with Gotze but there's talk that we were never actually after him and Mane was the target all along. Makes sense, why work with past players when you are trying to move forward.

      Likewise with Mkhitaryan before he joined United. He said:

      “I had that player. If you have had players, you know more about them. You want to learn about other players. That's how it is. We didn’t look for players we had already worked with. If you do that, you know their good, their bad and you wonder whether you will do it again."

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-liverpool-didnt-sign-manchester-11683381
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      Reply #39753: Jun 15, 2019 08:26:13 am
      Who'd have thought that we'd have said Phillipe Coutinho is now completely irrelevant to Liverpool Football Club. There are some players like Suarez and Alonso where you can look back and think "damn!" if only we had kept them. With Coutinho though, wow, who'd have thought we would have gotten so much better without him. He leaves and we go on and have 2 Champions League finals and get 97 points in the league. Just highlights how much we relied on him and how he was actually holding us back IMO.

      Even if he wanted to come back, I don't hink us fans have anything to be even remotely concerned about or even need to give it a thought because I don't think there is a chance in hell Klopp would even want him back with the amount of disrespect Coutinho showed towards him and the club. Klopp said Coutinho could have had a statue with us but would just be an ordinary player anywhere else, but to be fair, Klopp was maybe a little bit wrong there...he's not even ordinary at Barca, he's almost as irrelevant there as he is here. Will go down in history though, biggest ever transfer failure.

      I agree with pretty much everything you said here except throwing Xabi’s name In.  Rafa pretty much tied Xabi’s hands together and forced him out.

      The other two were lifting up their skirts for Barca.  One with his fangs in the World Cup and the other going to the physio table for a hangnail.
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      Reply #39754: Jun 15, 2019 09:10:54 am
      I remember reading around the time Arsenal signed Aubameyang that Klopp refuses to look at signing players he's previously worked with. You could argue that wasn't the case with Gotze but there's talk that we were never actually after him and Mane was the target all along. Makes sense, why work with past players when you are trying to move forward.

      A good player is a good player. If he adds something to the team then why not.
      I don't agree with that you can't use past players to take the club forward. It all depends on the player. Ian rush is a very good example of that.

      If jk thinks that then be it, but I disagree.
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      Reply #39755: Jun 15, 2019 09:33:45 am
      What is the odds of Coutinho finishing up at Newcastle with Rafa.
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      Reply #39756: Jun 15, 2019 09:42:19 am
      A good player is a good player. If he adds something to the team then why not.
      I don't agree with that you can't use past players to take the club forward. It all depends on the player. Ian rush is a very good example of that.

      If jk thinks that then be it, but I disagree.

      Surely you are not comparing Ian Rush to Coutinho,I don't think I am being  biased when I look at the cups Rushie won with us compared to what Coutinho won.
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      Reply #39757: Jun 15, 2019 10:17:51 am
      Surely you are not comparing Ian Rush to Coutinho,I don't think I am being  biased when I look at the cups Rushie won with us compared to what Coutinho won.

      OH come on. Don't take that road. You know what I meant.
      the point is that a good player whom have played for us in past. Can take the club forward and help us win things.
      it all depends on the player and the price.
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      Reply #39758: Jun 15, 2019 10:46:49 am
      OH come on. Don't take that road. You know what I meant.
      the point is that a good player whom have played for us in past. Can take the club forward and help us win things.
      it all depends on the player and the price.

      I think you are missing the point Ian Rush had Liverpool F.C. blood running right through his body Coutinho has not.My memory of Ian Rush signing for Juventus was it was a pay off for him for his service to our club.
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      Reply #39759: Jun 15, 2019 10:49:43 am
      I agree with pretty much everything you said here except throwing Xabi’s name In.  Rafa pretty much tied Xabi’s hands together and forced him out.

      Sorry I probably didn’t explain it too well. I didn’t mean in terms of players forcing a move or being out in a situation where they aren’t wanted anymore, just in terms of how we were after their departure. I don’t think it’s any coincidence we went down hill the year Xabi left. Been gutted to see plenty of players leave but Xabi is right up there for me.
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      Reply #39760: Jun 15, 2019 11:52:33 am
      Lawro making the point many of us have made about signing anyone. ITs not only the quality of the footballer its the quality of the  man that counts equally. He said one bad apple can cause chaos and the current squad are superb together will Couthino coming back upset a few players quite possibly.
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      Reply #39761: Jun 15, 2019 12:59:32 pm
      Lovren off to Milan? Will be interesting to see the CB profile we'll be after..

      Personally, someone like Nathan Ake or Malang Sarr would cover as the 4th CB and 2nd LB, and could be brought in for a similar fee we sell Lovren for.
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      Reply #39762: Jun 15, 2019 01:05:25 pm
      Lovren off to Milan? Will be interesting to see the CB profile we'll be after..

      Personally, someone like Nathan Ake or Malang Sarr would cover as the 4th CB and 2nd LB, and could be brought in for a similar fee we sell Lovren for.

      I would be DeLigted if he's gone
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      Reply #39763: Jun 15, 2019 01:44:17 pm
      Would be foolish to let Lovren go unless we were signing DeLigt.

      Lovren is a good player.
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      Reply #39764: Jun 15, 2019 01:46:41 pm
      Would be foolish to let Lovren go unless we were signing DeLigt.

      Lovren is a good player.

      Only he can't string 3 games together without getting injured.

      If we sell and sign de Ligt or a good young CB we will improve the squad.
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      Reply #39765: Jun 15, 2019 02:17:33 pm
      Only he can't string 3 games together without getting injured.


      This is why they’d sell him.

      Oh yeah - he also hid that World Cup injury from Klopp last summer. That might still rub the boss the wrong way.

      However, if he’s a good character guy who already knows the system, maybe you keep him around as your 4th CB for the sake of he team? 
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      Reply #39766: Jun 15, 2019 03:29:13 pm
      I think you are missing the point Ian Rush had Liverpool F.C. blood running right through his body Coutinho has not.My memory of Ian Rush signing for Juventus was it was a pay off for him for his service to our club.

      That's some Liverpool propaganda right there. Take a breath, and try to look from a neutral standpoint.
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      Reply #39767: Jun 15, 2019 03:39:10 pm
      Only he can't string 3 games together without getting injured.

      If we sell and sign de Ligt or a good young CB we will improve the squad.
      One of the problems with De Ligt that some news outlet brought up this week is his wage and the problems it might cause within the squad. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but he apparently will be looking to cash in and pocket a monstrous weekly wage that would shatter anything we are currently giving to VVD or Salah for example. It's exactly the type of nonsense we need to stay away from. We saw what this leads to with teams like Arsenal or utd.

      Also, I'm pretty sure Klopp has placed his faith in Gomez to be his main man alongside VVD and with the amazing season Matip managed, if Lovren is to leave then Klopp will logically be looking for somebody that will compete for a spot, but that will have no problem staying on the bench.

      With that said you almost feel like the reality is almost ''disappointing'' because the prospect of a VVD-DeLigt pairing is just mouth watering. Something you would come up with on your career mode on FIFA or something.

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      Reply #39768: Jun 15, 2019 04:41:49 pm
      Looks like Maxi Gomez is joining West Ham for £29m, hmmm. Will be interesting to see how he does in the PL.
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      Reply #39769: Jun 15, 2019 06:44:37 pm
      Regarding Petite Philippe Coutinho, I can't imagine any team coughing up the reduced 90 mill for what I consider an incredibly flawed player.

      Positives: Big right foot, quickness, creativity

      Negatives: Slow, doesn't defend, lack of stats (5 goals, 2 assists in 34 La Liga matches this past season), benched, considered expendable, little demonstration of leadership skills, attitude (mopey diva who faked injuries to gain exit from LFC + some Brazilian entitlement DNA)

      Ignoring Coutinho's mental configuration / attitude deficiencies and simply focusing on his football skills/flaws, I see many similarities with Salah
      Mo +: quick, big motor, knack for the net, assists
      Mo - : limited to left foot, lacks speed vs top team defenders, turnover machine, defensive effort/skills are minimal, lack of big match stats
      Mo's intangibles:  off the charts

      Strictly from a valuation stand point....I would sell Mo at his 150 mill valuation in a millisecond because his 2018-19 game resembled more his Roma stats than his 2017-18 LFC stats.
      Looking at the highest valuation players in the world in which Mo is tied for 3rd....Mbappe, Neymar, Hazard, Messi, Sterling......all can beat their defenders handily either with speed or dribbling or both.
      Despite, Salah's 17 PL (non PK) goals this past season, most were clean up scores with few earned based on superior speed and/or dribbling during this past season, unlike the season before.
      Harry Kane is considered a top 6 valuation guy as well and I just classify him as a pure + proven goal scorer in the box, with a history of scoring vs top teams.
      In my view, Mo is a big step below all these guys. Again, just looking at this in terms of valuation.
      IMO, the best teams have easily stifled his game and the vast majority of his stats are vs weaker teams. The world's elite score vs all competition, not just bottom dwellers.
      Valuing Mo as top 3 in the world is insane and I would readily discuss a transfer if approached.
      Of course, I don't see fit and bankroll out there to make such an approach.

      Look at it this way....with 150 mill in the bank, could you buy a 17 goal scorer who will be fed balls at a ridiculously high rate like Mo is?
      My verdict..........Hell ya.
      All you need is 80 mill with 70 mill to spare....Coutinho style.

      Sell at the highs when valuations get ridiculous and buyers get stupid.

      « Last Edit: Jun 15, 2019 07:04:37 pm by Borg »
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      Reply #39770: Jun 15, 2019 08:25:07 pm
      Regarding Petite Philippe Coutinho, I can't imagine any team coughing up the reduced 90 mill for what I consider an incredibly flawed player.

      Positives: Big right foot, quickness, creativity

      Negatives: Slow, doesn't defend, lack of stats (5 goals, 2 assists in 34 La Liga matches this past season), benched, considered expendable, little demonstration of leadership skills, attitude (mopey diva who faked injuries to gain exit from LFC + some Brazilian entitlement DNA)

      Ignoring Coutinho's mental configuration / attitude deficiencies and simply focusing on his football skills/flaws, I see many similarities with Salah
      Mo +: quick, big motor, knack for the net, assists
      Mo - : limited to left foot, lacks speed vs top team defenders, turnover machine, defensive effort/skills are minimal, lack of big match stats
      Mo's intangibles:  off the charts

      Strictly from a valuation stand point....I would sell Mo at his 150 mill valuation in a millisecond because his 2018-19 game resembled more his Roma stats than his 2017-18 LFC stats.
      Looking at the highest valuation players in the world in which Mo is tied for 3rd....Mbappe, Neymar, Hazard, Messi, Sterling......all can beat their defenders handily either with speed or dribbling or both.
      Despite, Salah's 17 PL (non PK) goals this past season, most were clean up scores with few earned based on superior speed and/or dribbling during this past season, unlike the season before.
      Harry Kane is considered a top 6 valuation guy as well and I just classify him as a pure + proven goal scorer in the box, with a history of scoring vs top teams.
      In my view, Mo is a big step below all these guys. Again, just looking at this in terms of valuation.
      IMO, the best teams have easily stifled his game and the vast majority of his stats are vs weaker teams. The world's elite score vs all competition, not just bottom dwellers.
      Valuing Mo as top 3 in the world is insane and I would readily discuss a transfer if approached.
      Of course, I don't see fit and bankroll out there to make such an approach.

      Look at it this way....with 150 mill in the bank, could you buy a 17 goal scorer who will be fed balls at a ridiculously high rate like Mo is?
      My verdict..........Hell ya.
      All you need is 80 mill with 70 mill to spare....Coutinho style.

      Sell at the highs when valuations get ridiculous and buyers get stupid.



      Stopped reading when I read you would sell Mo in a millisecond.

      Not for all the money in the world pal.

      Get fu**ed with that.
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      Reply #39771: Jun 15, 2019 09:25:49 pm
      Strictly from a valuation stand point....I would sell Mo at his 150 mill valuation in a millisecond because his 2018-19 game resembled more his Roma stats than his 2017-18 LFC stats.
      ..........
      In my view, Mo is a big step below all these guys. Again, just looking at this in terms of valuation

      F***ing FUCCCKKKKINGGG hell!!

      Only he can't string 3 games together without getting injured.

      If we sell and sign de Ligt or a good young CB we will improve the squad.

      Exactly this. We replace him with a younger versatile CB for a similar price. Its a no-brainer!
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      Reply #39772: Jun 15, 2019 10:40:01 pm
      Regarding Petite Philippe Coutinho, I can't imagine any team coughing up the reduced 90 mill for what I consider an incredibly flawed player.

      Positives: Big right foot, quickness, creativity

      Negatives: Slow, doesn't defend, lack of stats (5 goals, 2 assists in 34 La Liga matches this past season), benched, considered expendable, little demonstration of leadership skills, attitude (mopey diva who faked injuries to gain exit from LFC + some Brazilian entitlement DNA)

      Ignoring Coutinho's mental configuration / attitude deficiencies and simply focusing on his football skills/flaws, I see many similarities with Salah
      Mo +: quick, big motor, knack for the net, assists
      Mo - : limited to left foot, lacks speed vs top team defenders, turnover machine, defensive effort/skills are minimal, lack of big match stats
      Mo's intangibles:  off the charts

      Strictly from a valuation stand point....I would sell Mo at his 150 mill valuation in a millisecond because his 2018-19 game resembled more his Roma stats than his 2017-18 LFC stats.
      Looking at the highest valuation players in the world in which Mo is tied for 3rd....Mbappe, Neymar, Hazard, Messi, Sterling......all can beat their defenders handily either with speed or dribbling or both.
      Despite, Salah's 17 PL (non PK) goals this past season, most were clean up scores with few earned based on superior speed and/or dribbling during this past season, unlike the season before.
      Harry Kane is considered a top 6 valuation guy as well and I just classify him as a pure + proven goal scorer in the box, with a history of scoring vs top teams.
      In my view, Mo is a big step below all these guys. Again, just looking at this in terms of valuation.
      IMO, the best teams have easily stifled his game and the vast majority of his stats are vs weaker teams. The world's elite score vs all competition, not just bottom dwellers.
      Valuing Mo as top 3 in the world is insane and I would readily discuss a transfer if approached.
      Of course, I don't see fit and bankroll out there to make such an approach.

      Look at it this way....with 150 mill in the bank, could you buy a 17 goal scorer who will be fed balls at a ridiculously high rate like Mo is?
      My verdict..........Hell ya.
      All you need is 80 mill with 70 mill to spare....Coutinho style.

      Sell at the highs when valuations get ridiculous and buyers get stupid.



      You are clueless
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      Reply #39773: Jun 15, 2019 11:18:33 pm
      So Paul Joyce has retweeted Mbappé saying he's arrived in the US.

      Now this wouldn't normally be a big deal, but people are asking two questions:

      1 - Why has he met with LFC shareholder LeBron James, who just happens to be wearing an LFC cap and giving Mbappé a gift?  (FYI, when James recommended Coutinho be sold to Barca, he was gone pretty much straight away. Make of that what you will.)
      2 - Why on earth has Joyce retweeted this? He's not exactly known for hyperbole and speculation, and is basically Tier 1 when reporting any kind of LFC-related news.

      Personally, I don't think Mbappé belongs at this club. He's a terrific player but he has a massive ego which I feel Klopp really wouldn't want.

      I guess time will tell.
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      Reply #39774: Jun 15, 2019 11:19:53 pm
      That's some Liverpool propaganda right there. Take a breath, and try to look from a neutral standpoint.


      I am trying to go from my memory and to how things happened at the time,what are you basing your facts on.Who can forget his goalsin the 1989 final against Everton.
      I had better get back on topic ,I am sure we will not resign Coutinho.

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