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      Daniel Sturridge Player Thread

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      JD
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4350: Sep 24, 2017 08:17:06 am
      Yes Firmino was poor yesterday and Studge did well when he came on. Good to see.

      Over the past 18 months he has looked far better as a 30 minute sub than starter and he seems to be available more often because of it.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4351: Sep 24, 2017 08:46:10 am
      Danny the Super sub, good assist, to lay on Henderson's goal.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4352: Sep 24, 2017 10:19:01 am
      I think Danny isn't the player he was two or three seasons ago, the injuries have taken their toll. I remain convinced though that from somewhere we are going to have to find a striker who offers a genuine goal threat. Whether we can coach it into Bobby or whether we have to go find someone else I don't either know or care, but top teams have centre forwards who score heavily.

      My feeling with Sturridge is that if he played regularly two things would happen.

      1. He would score far more goals than Bobby.
      2. He'd last about three games before he got injured again.

      The answer IMHO is find some more creativity from midfield, that way you don't need your centre forward to spend so much time and effort trying to unlock the door for others (if indeed that's what Bobby brings to it). As it is though having a centre forward who runs around a lot is well and good, but we need someone who scores more regularly, IMHO obviously.

      Sounds like you've practically given up on him mate, what with his injuries and all that. Fair enough, most have I suppose and I was very tempted to hold my hands up to that I must admit, but...

      I'm going on what Klopp has said by and large (to BS or not to BS that is the question), re both Danny's fitness and his importance to the team this season.

      He looks stockier to me and he has been working hard by all accounts on his fitness, and he recently completed his first 90 minutes in over 16 months. I'm hopeful that he is stronger now and is gearing up nicely for the season. There's no doubt he'll be needed much more than what we've seen already this season. Law of averages will tell you that at some point he's going to get a run in the side, flogging Firmino throughout the season isn't, or shouldn't happen with such a heavy fixture list.

      I totally agree about the need for a goalscorer up front and if Danny does disappoint on the fitness front this season then I think Klopp would be a fool not to bring in another striker next season.

      Mind you, if you read the new en vogue theory justifying why Sturridge shouldn't be in the team, then Klopp won't go out next season or thereafter and look for a new goalscorer. As apparently, a goalscorer through the middle will stop Mane and Salah from scoring goals. I have to laugh. The lengths people will go to in order to defend a player who doesn't score a lot of goals from such a key position, in so that it enables Mane & Salah to score more does give me a chuckle. Where in the world of footballing practice does it mean by having an out and out goalscorer in the team means that other players won't be able to chip in with their fair share of goals?
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4353: Sep 24, 2017 10:59:08 am
      Yep, total bollocks it is mate but I play along in the interests of harmony.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4354: Sep 24, 2017 12:15:28 pm
      It's a good problem to have, but it's a shame our forwards are so good, I'm desperate to see him in the starting eleven... he has flair and can get a good shot away from anywhere in and around the box even from a standing position.... but, apart from yesterday, Bobby has been fantastic so you can't replace him... for now I guess 30 minute super sub is what's best.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4355: Sep 24, 2017 02:17:13 pm
      I think he cause Newcastle and utd more problems then firmano in attack that reason l start him
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4356: Sep 24, 2017 02:50:13 pm
      The last appearance of Sturridge against Leicester look really promising for me, yes I means his football game not his hair cut ;D. Except his two occasions unforced error/poor decision is overall game is impressive. At this moment I hope he can keeping fit and start scoring goals (as everyone in this world know hes capable to do).

      I'm a bit surprise Danny still with us this season as I think at near the end of last season he's to leave definitely, no one come for him perhaps ;D, anyway I'm wrong about that one.

      Wishes the injuries away from you forever Danny and I'm waiting to see what you can do this season.     
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4357: Sep 25, 2017 06:48:51 pm
      If he gets a start tomorrow night, needs to get on the scoresheet.
      There's an ultimatum for you!
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4358: Sep 25, 2017 08:01:15 pm
      If he gets a start tomorrow night, needs to get on the scoresheet.
      There's an ultimatum for you!

      See I think he fits better as a sub. I just rather see him subbed in with 30 to play rather than 12-6 ;D. I would love to see him and Bobby swap off tomorrow around the 6o minute mark tomorrow and than him to put one in the back of the net from a Robo cross in the 61 minute.

      (I can dream right?)
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4359: Sep 26, 2017 10:43:34 pm
      Talk about putting yourself in the shop window as far as getting a start after he came on eh? He was absolutely f****** garbage too, although I do sympathize that he's being expected to find form and rhythm despite never getting a run of games. Despite all that though, sh!te tonight.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4360: Sep 27, 2017 09:13:16 am
      Talk about putting yourself in the shop window as far as getting a start after he came on eh? He was absolutely f****** garbage too, although I do sympathize that he's being expected to find form and rhythm despite never getting a run of games. Despite all that though, sh!te tonight.

      It's a cache 22 isn't it, a fit and firing sturridge would be a great front man to change the set up a bit and build around.

      But you risk ruining the team dynamic of what we're used to because if/when he gets injured you are forced to change your style again.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4361: Sep 27, 2017 10:34:22 am
      It's a cache 22 isn't it, a fit and firing sturridge would be a great front man to change the set up a bit and build around.

      But you risk ruining the team dynamic of what we're used to because if/when he gets injured you are forced to change your style again.

      I don't really buy this "fits our style" bollocks. It's been spouted so often on here people accept it as the truth, but I don't go for it. Our "style" last night would have benefitted from having a natural goalscorer who could put the ball in the back of the net, there were numerous opportunities to do so. Our "style" would benefit from having someone who anticipates things in the box, someone who scores goals more often than occasionally when they're playing centre forward, someone who goes in where it hurts, perish the thought someone who can hold the ball when it's played up to them, all those things would benefit our "style" immeasurably from where I'm sitting.

      The way people go on about Bobby on here, you get the impression that if we got the opportunity to buy Harry Kane they'd reject it as a bad idea as it wouldn't suit our "style". They'd reject it as a bad idea because even though Kane is a proper centre forward who scores very heavily, his presence would mean that Salah and Mane wouldn't score.

      It's all bollocks. The ONLY thing which Firmino does regularly that a Sturridge doesn't, is run around and close people down like his life depends on it (although he didn't even do that yesterday). other than that, the coming out of the position, the drifting wide, the "assisting", the "awareness" etc Strurridge can do just as well. In terms of anticipation, goal threat etc there truly is no comparison. Like Beer said, I'd like to see Sturridge given a go with our FIRST CHOICE wide men as opposed to a cardboard cutout at left wing. My guess is that until he gets injured he'd score far more regularly than Firmino.   
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4362: Sep 27, 2017 01:32:52 pm
      :lmao:

      Sturridge, after coming on and missing sitters can suddenly do everything Firmino can do, what a load of bollocks. Let's see him creating the most chances in open play, let's see him make the selfless runs that Firmino makes every single game. Let's see him link play from back to front as effectively, not even close, that's before we get onto the supposed negative that "he runs a lot".

      So apart from being quicker, running more, creating more chances, providing more assists, doing more defensive work, winning more aerial duels, tackling more, intercepting more, tracking runners more, Sturridge can do equally or more we're told. Let's forget all that though, Sturridge is obviously more clinical we're told, despite the fact he had comparable chances last night yet neither of his hit the target and Bobby's brought about a good save from their keeper. Sturridge had equally good chances in the game previous too and failed to convert those also. Strikers miss good chances all the time, including the 'clinical' Sturridge, the difference with Bobby in the team and Sturridge is that with Bobby we will create far more opportunities to score and that is a simple fact.

      Sad little vendetta being played out here, same poster was more concerned with typing sh*t about Firmino and bigging up Sturridge than he was in our first away CL game, pathetic.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4363: Sep 27, 2017 01:42:46 pm
      :lmao:

      Sturridge, after coming on and missing sitters can suddenly do everything Firmino can do, what a load of bollocks. Let's see him creating the most chances in open play, let's see him make the selfless runs that Firmino makes every single game. Let's see him link play from back to front as effectively, not even close, that's before we get onto the supposed negative that "he runs a lot".

      So apart from being quicker, running more, creating more chances, providing more assists, doing more defensive work, winning more aerial duels, tackling more, intercepting more, tracking runners more, Sturridge can do equally or more we're told. Let's forget all that though, Sturridge is obviously more clinical we're told, despite the fact he had comparable chances last night yet neither of his hit the target and Bobby's brought about a good save from their keeper. Sturridge had equally good chances in the game previous too and failed to convert those also. Strikers miss good chances all the time, including the 'clinical' Sturridge, the difference with Bobby in the team and Sturridge is that with Bobby we will create far more opportunities to score and that is a simple fact.

      Sad little vendetta being played out here, same poster was more concerned with typing sh*t about Firmino and bigging up Sturridge than he was in our first away CL game, pathetic.

      Same with the narrative being pushed by the same people about "the TC", which is strange, because Klopp has already stated multiple times he has pretty much total control over transfers, and that's on top of him bringing in his own scouts and analysts.

      It comes down to "I trust Jürgen, but... I'm going to ignore what he says when it suits me to do so"

      Bizarre

      No doubt there are "clinical strikers" who could improve our front line, but Sturridge unfortunately isn't one of them.
      Great player, but he has a different skill set than the one that Klopp requires, which is why Firmino gets the games.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4364: Sep 27, 2017 01:56:41 pm
      :lmao:

      Sturridge, after coming on and missing sitters can suddenly do everything Firmino can do, what a load of bollocks. Let's see him creating the most chances in open play, let's see him make the selfless runs that Firmino makes every single game. Let's see him link play from back to front as effectively, not even close, that's before we get onto the supposed negative that "he runs a lot".

      So apart from being quicker, running more, creating more chances, providing more assists, doing more defensive work, winning more aerial duels, tackling more, intercepting more, tracking runners more, Sturridge can do equally or more we're told. Let's forget all that though, Sturridge is obviously more clinical we're told, despite the fact he had comparable chances last night yet neither of his hit the target and Bobby's brought about a good save from their keeper. Sturridge had equally good chances in the game previous too and failed to convert those also. Strikers miss good chances all the time, including the 'clinical' Sturridge, the difference with Bobby in the team and Sturridge is that with Bobby we will create far more opportunities to score and that is a simple fact.

      Sad little vendetta being played out here, same poster was more concerned with typing sh*t about Firmino and bigging up Sturridge than he was in our first away CL game, pathetic.

      It's absolutely exhausting and of putting having to battle with the same few idiots with a f**king agenda.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4365: Sep 27, 2017 02:14:06 pm
      I like Studg, be he just doesn't fit. To much ISO and not enough passing. When we are right we make the extra pass and move well without the ball. Daniel doesn't do that. All he does is look to score. Those calling for Bobby's head and wanting Daniel to start over him are silly!
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4366: Sep 27, 2017 02:23:29 pm
      I like Studg, be he just doesn't fit. To much ISO and not enough passing. When we are right we make the extra pass and move well without the ball. Daniel doesn't do that. All he does is look to score. Those calling for Bobby's head and wanting Daniel to start over him are silly!

      That's what strikers generally do.

      And no, those who would like to see Daniel start a few games are not silly, far from it.

      The only people who are being silly are those who are having a coronary over a difference of opinion.


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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4367: Sep 27, 2017 02:33:40 pm
      It's absolutely exhausting and of putting having to battle with the same few idiots with a f**king agenda.

      Must be exhausting watching Firmino play whilst trying to think of new ingenious excuses to defend his performances to those with the agenda..  ;D
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4368: Sep 27, 2017 02:37:25 pm
      Still our most natural finisher who just had one of those games, not sure if he is up to playing regularly as a starter hence why Klopp brings him on a sub.
      Should have come on earlier last night as you can pretty much tell with Firmino if he starts off badly he will stink the place out.

      Hopefully Firmino was kept on last night as he will be dropped to the bench at the weekend and Sturridge starts, will also give Bobby a rest.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4369: Sep 27, 2017 02:41:48 pm
      That's what strikers generally do.

      And no, those who would like to see Daniel start a few games are not silly, far from it.

      The only people who are being silly are those who are having a coronary over a difference of opinion.




      I really like Bobby - he's a grafter, has a little bit of stardust now and again mixed with a first touch that literally veers from the sublime to the ridiculous......oft in the same game!

      However - I think with his style his physical condition needs managing and personally I've no problem with Danny getting a few starts through the middle.

      Makes good sense. It's just sound rotation and gets Bobby sharp again whilst giving Danny a chance to do what he does best - stick the ball in the pokey. Remember the international breaks for the South Americans are no picnic either in terms of physical recuperation.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4370: Sep 27, 2017 02:53:16 pm
      That's what strikers generally do.

      And no, those who would like to see Daniel start a few games are not silly, far from it.

      The only people who are being silly are those who are having a coronary over a difference of opinion.

      I agree. You and I differ and that's fine. The silly people are those who loved Bobby until 10 days ago and act like Studg is all of a sudden light years better. I'm not saying you are one of these silly people, but rather that they do exist. When Studg comes in other players disappear, and not by their own doing. Our attack will be better if we look to link up and attack the box. Daniel is a skilled player, and in a different system and with a clean bill of health he could be a top striker. However, I feel he just muddles up our attack when he comes in. However, maybe he does just need more time with the top dogs. I'm okay with seeing him more. Maybe run a Christmas tree form? Cant do that with Bobby, but can with Dan.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4371: Sep 27, 2017 03:09:44 pm
      :lmao:

      Sturridge, after coming on and missing sitters can suddenly do everything Firmino can do, what a load of bollocks. Let's see him creating the most chances in open play, let's see him make the selfless runs that Firmino makes every single game. Let's see him link play from back to front as effectively, not even close, that's before we get onto the supposed negative that "he runs a lot".

      So apart from being quicker, running more, creating more chances, providing more assists, doing more defensive work, winning more aerial duels, tackling more, intercepting more, tracking runners more, Sturridge can do equally or more we're told. Let's forget all that though, Sturridge is obviously more clinical we're told, despite the fact he had comparable chances last night yet neither of his hit the target and Bobby's brought about a good save from their keeper. Sturridge had equally good chances in the game previous too and failed to convert those also. Strikers miss good chances all the time, including the 'clinical' Sturridge, the difference with Bobby in the team and Sturridge is that with Bobby we will create far more opportunities to score and that is a simple fact.

      Sad little vendetta being played out here, same poster was more concerned with typing sh*t about Firmino and bigging up Sturridge than he was in our first away CL game, pathetic.

      He's a striker and not a 'space creator'.. he's played as a striker and should be judged on what a striker does -> score goals.. anything else should be a bonus and not to be used as an excuse when he's missing sitters.

      I don't have anything against Firmino, I think he is decent in that role giving the fact that he is an attacking midfielder playing there and I definitely don't have have an agenda bigging up Sturridge.. I actually think he should have been sold in the summer with another striker being bought.

      One thing is obvious and that is both of them aren't good enough for a title challenge.. saw a stat that we scored 6 times from 126 chances or something like that.. let's put Aubameyang/Lewandowski/Torres/Suarez in Firmino's place.. surely the stat is not the same now ???
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4372: Sep 27, 2017 03:12:18 pm
      Bobby needs some rest as he has been playing continuously. He has not been in great form either in the recent past.
      Studge is fit (not sure for how much longer) and needs a run of games anyway.
      Can't we settle this amicably? :)
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      Reply #4373: Sep 27, 2017 03:40:11 pm
      Got to laugh at these lads and their "agendas". My only agenda is that I think the bloke who plays centre forward ought to provide a goal threat.

      Firmino is currently the Brazilian Emile Heskey ;D.
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      Re: Daniel Sturridge Player Thread
      Reply #4374: Sep 27, 2017 03:42:07 pm
      He's a striker and not a 'space creator'.. he's played as a striker and should be judged on what a striker does -> score goals.. anything else should be a bonus and not to be used as an excuse when he's missing sitters.

      I don't have anything against Firmino, I think he is decent in that role giving the fact that he is an attacking midfielder playing there and I definitely don't have have an agenda bigging up Sturridge.. I actually think he should have been sold in the summer with another striker being bought.

      One thing is obvious and that is both of them aren't good enough for a title challenge.. saw a stat that we scored 6 times from 126 chances or something like that.. let's put Aubameyang/Lewandowski/Torres/Suarez in Firmino's place.. surely the stat is not the same now ???

      Well considering I said we should go for Aubameyang in the summer I guess we agree in some ways. Suarez is clearly out of reach, but he would have been ideal, Torres is way past it and Lewandowski again is out of reach.

      See I disagree when it comes to Firmino, I think he's a creator more than a goal scorer, hence why he plays the false 9 role, hence why he does indeed create so many chances (doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves on this one). I've no problem with putting a pure number 9 in there either but if people think we get the same amount of goals/chances created for Mane/Salah then they're quite simply wrong and are pushing an agenda. Strikers are naturally selfish, they don't create nearly the same chances as they need providing for them and usually only create chances for themselves. This is where I see the likes of Sanchez/Suarez/Firmino in a different league to others because they do create as much or more than they score.

      Now I've no problem with people saying that Bobby isn't clinical enough, because that is clearly the case but when they start pretending that Sturridge can do all the things Firmino can do plus also score more I draw the line because at that point they're quite simply talking complete and utter bollocks.

      Firmino on form is one of the best players in the entire league but he has had a dip recently and his last two performances have been poor, but using that as a narrative to pretend Sturridge would be this great all around player, again, it's boring and nothing more than silliness. The player who could come in and actually do a job is probably Solanke and if we were to drop Bobby for a rest then I'd like to see him start. The basis behind this is that Sturridge has had a couple of starts recently and has looked underwhelming, from the start of a game his lack of pace and stamina are both much more clear as he plays against players full of energy. When he comes on later in the game these deficiencies which are now clear in his game are more easily hidden and he is a potent threat, as we have seen in recent times. While Sturridge's fans cling onto the hope he can return to being the player he was with Suarez (1 season out of how many?!?), the truth is that was lightning in a bottle that year and injuries have robbed him of pace, confidence in himself and he is what he is.

      We either accept that and move on to use him as best we can or we keep pushing this boring and predictable, circular, agenda.

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