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      Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)

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      redindian
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2790: Sep 02, 2017 11:41:55 am
      Putting him straight back in the match day squad, let alone starting 11, will send such wrong signals.

      Needs to earn his way back.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2791: Sep 02, 2017 11:44:18 am
      He does not go straight back in for me.

      Gini can and hendo doing great and the front 3 are tearing it up.

      At the end of the day the lad has sabotaged our start to the season. He has faked an injury and basically gone on strike in a strop.

      When he comes back he owes everyone a big apology for his conduct in what has been a vital opening to the season where he made himself the sideshow attraction.

      It he comes back, makes his peace then we begin the process ... but that starts from the bench.

      With regard to the booing ... i probably put it wrong ... i meant more peoole getting on his back. If he looks disinterested ... pulls out of a 5050 or 2 ... it wont be pretty ... thats what i was meaning.

      I will support him as he wears our shirt ... just lost my respect and love for him.

      On we go eh.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2792: Sep 02, 2017 11:47:04 am
      Why would people lower themselves to booing someone like this. Ignore him.

      Dont applaud pases goals etc. If hes being subbed dont clap sing the name of the man coming on for him. Before kick off in the team announcement dont react to his name at all.

      Blank him
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2793: Sep 02, 2017 12:02:46 pm
      Why would people lower themselves to booing someone like this. Ignore him.

      Dont applaud pases goals etc. If hes being subbed dont clap sing the name of the man coming on for him. Before kick off in the team announcement dont react to his name at all.

      Blank him

      Never boo your own mate. It doesnt get lower than that.

      If he scores then we are cheering a goal for the team.

      He had the love and goodwill of all ... now its very different. I just hope he doesnt make a show of himself between now and the end of the season ... not because im ars*d about him ... but because it will affect the team and the squad.

      Klopp im sure will bench him against city and then look at him from there. Klopp will know him inside out ... when he is on it and training well and when he is phoning it in.

      He is a great man manager and im sure he will have some good conversations with him in the coming weeks.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2794: Sep 02, 2017 09:11:54 pm
      Putting him straight back in the match day squad, let alone starting 11, will send such wrong signals.

      Or the right one, you're a professional footballer, our highest paid player to do so, so dry your eyes mate and be professional and get on with the job at hand..

      If were going to cut our noses off to spite our face and not play him and run the risk of further inflaming the situation, we may as well have just sold him to Barca.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2795: Sep 02, 2017 10:09:33 pm
      But, Blud, look at it this way. Forget the fans for a moment and think about the team mates, the players with whom he bonds every day.
      As the highest paid player and as a professional, the player has a responsibility towards the team. The vibes that the fans have been getting from the players are that this is going to be a special season and that they are going to make history. And, when his team mates are thinking about all this, right before the start of the season and a few days before an important qualifier, he creates unrest in the team (well, the players may not have been affected by all this and maybe they must have been affected - I would never know). If we had not qualified for CL group stages and had Coutinho got his wish to leave for Barcelona, the remaining players would have played in Europa (All hypothetical scenarios).

      And, then there was the Sakho situation. Coutinho may not be as popular as Sakho with the team mates. If Coutinho goes straight back into the team, what would be the signals? That coming late to a meeting is a bigger sin than filing a transfer request anytime (two different issues and of course Sakho situation may be a bigger issue, but, the end result is similar). Klopp keeps saying he is building a friendly, familial atmosphere etc... But, his actions targeted the very core of Klopp's philosophy. If it was me, I would rather he rot in the ressies (But, I am not the manager, thankfully). Practically speaking, against City and Sevilla we may not really need the magic to break stubborn defences as they are going to be open games. Against Burnley, we might, and one and half weeks is probably a good enough time to probably send the signals that the manager doesn't play favourites.

      you're a professional footballer, our highest paid player to do so, so dry your eyes mate and be professional and get on with the job at hand..


      I agree. But, we do it on our own terms. No body can be allowed to get away with a transfer request, refusal to play and get back to the team straight afterwards. He is no Suarez and this is not the team of 2 years ago which is dependent solely on him. For the last one month or so Coutinho did cut our noses.But, we have been able to breathe. I think we will be able to breathe for some more time without him.

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      Reply #2796: Sep 02, 2017 10:35:49 pm
      But, Blud, look at it this way. Forget the fans for a moment and think about the team mates, the players with whom he bonds every day.
      As the highest paid player and as a professional, the player has a responsibility towards the team.

      I'm looking at it logically without emotion, he's an employee as are his team mates, do you genuinely think any of them will carry any malice towards Phil?

      End of the day majority of these lads have moved/wanted to move clubs in their careers and will see things from a completely different perspective to us common folk.

      We've no Carra's, Gerrard or even died in the wool Aggers in the squad who'd probably have an outlook closer to your suggestion.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2797: Sep 02, 2017 11:00:26 pm
      Straight in to the first XI against City for me, simplest way to draw a line under the matter and stop it dragging on.

      Scamming a back injury and with a cl qualifier to be played he showed his true colours, yellow.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2798: Sep 02, 2017 11:03:25 pm
      I'm looking at it logically without emotion, he's an employee as are his team mates, do you genuinely think any of them will carry any malice towards Phil?


      Yesterday it was Suarez. Today it is Coutinho. Tomorrow, it will be...

      Unfortunately, LFC "corporation" seems to be having a big "attrition"  problem when compared to other conglomerates. If the "company" needs to increase its "market capitalization" and become a "Fortune5" company and rub shoulders with the big boys like it used to, it may have to address this problem.
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      Reply #2799: Sep 02, 2017 11:05:27 pm
      Scamming a back injury and with a cl qualifier to be played he showed his true colours, yellow.

      Blue and Maroon would be more precise...

      However he'll be wearing red this season whether we like it or not, so lets make the best use of him just as we did Suarez..
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      Reply #2800: Sep 02, 2017 11:10:15 pm
      it may have to address this problem.

      We addressed it by refusing the transfer request and money on offer, now we have to show some balls and tell Coutinho in no uncertain terms to man up, he's an employee and to get on with the job he's paid handsomely to do.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2801: Sep 02, 2017 11:33:55 pm
      We addressed it by refusing the transfer request and money on offer

      I think we addressed the situation, Blud. Only time will tell if we have addressed the problem.

      And, I am sure if the payment structure had not been as stupid as this and had it been better than what was on offer (16mn£ in first year out of 140mn£), we would have sold him because every player has his price. That 16mn£ is way lesser than what we would have earned by qualifying for the CL group stages. 
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2802: Sep 03, 2017 01:40:07 am
      Putting him straight back in the match day squad, let alone starting 11, will send such wrong signals.

      Needs to earn his way back.

      Agreed with this but hasn't he got a phenomenal record of scoring against Citeh?

      I say play him, let him score the winner, get the 3 points and then what happens, happens.

      Want that 3 points more then anything.
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      Reply #2803: Sep 03, 2017 08:00:37 am
      Agreed with this but hasn't he got a phenomenal record of scoring against Citeh?

      I say play him, let him score the winner, get the 3 points and then what happens, happens.

      Want that 3 points more then anything.

      But, not the only source of goals in this team.
      Win this game and we will be top of the table (until Munts play).
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2804: Sep 03, 2017 09:32:17 am
      Liverpool manager Jürgen Klopp is to hold talks with playmaker Philippe Coutinho, 25, next week after his move to Barcelona failed to materialise in the transfer window. (Star)

      And Coutinho is upset Liverpool have given him no assurances he will be able to move to Barcelona next summer. (Mirror)

      But the 25-year-old could be available for the Reds' trip to Manchester City next week. (Liverpool Echo)
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2805: Sep 03, 2017 11:29:55 am
      Putting him straight back in the match day squad, let alone starting 11, will send such wrong signals.

      Needs to earn his way back.

      He can have Origi's spot on the bench.

      If we're 1-0 down with 20 to play on Saturday and Coutinho isn't an option off the bench i'll be well and truly pissed, and I won't be the only one! And i'll bet his teammates will all be thinking the exact same thing.
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      Reply #2806: Sep 03, 2017 11:32:03 am
      He can have Origi's spot on the bench.

      If we're 1-0 down with 20 to play on Saturday and Coutinho isn't an option off the bench i'll be well and truly pissed, and I won't be the only one! And i'll bet his teammates will all be thinking the exact same thing.

      Origi wasn't even getting on the bench mate
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      Reply #2807: Sep 03, 2017 01:36:43 pm
      If we're 1-0 down with 20 to play on Saturday and Coutinho isn't an option off the bench i'll be well and truly pissed, and I won't be the only one! And i'll bet his teammates will all be thinking the exact same thing.

      Well, they should realize that the manager trusted them and put them on the field thinking that they are capable enough of getting the 3 pts and instead of being pissed off with him, they should probably repay his faith in them by making sure that they are not in that particular situation. :)
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2808: Sep 03, 2017 03:59:44 pm
      Agreed with this but hasn't he got a phenomenal record of scoring against Citeh?

      I say play him, let him score the winner, get the 3 points and then what happens, happens.

      Want that 3 points more then anything.
      His mental state won't be there to even get on the sub bench. If he wants to play and not sulk it is fine to use him, otherwise he will get a chance in the league cup I think
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      Reply #2809: Sep 03, 2017 05:22:33 pm
      “We have our situation and Dortmund has another,” he said to German media outlet SPORT1, when asked about why his former club sold Ousmane Dembele but we kept Phil.

      “Don’t believe everything in the press or that there are offers here and there and that the minute after the offer has been entered, it should already be over.

      “We are not like George Orwell where everybody knows everything immediately. We have exactly the situation we wanted and no other.

      “Dortmund decided the player (Dembele) would leave them, so I cannot compare the two situations.

      “We still have a really good player in the squad who can play.”
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2810: Sep 03, 2017 10:29:54 pm
      Think i'm in a minority but I can't be arsed hating players these days. They are all in a bubble and until/unless we are put in his situation nobody knows how they will react.

      Said elsewhere he did everything he could to get a move (the type of things we ask players looking to move to us to try) but the window is closed now so it's time to knock all the nonsense on the head.

      He hasn't got it so bad and he should reflect on that, he is one of the lucky ones.

      Personally looking forward to seeing him back in the team as soon as possible.

      We are a better side with him in it and of we are going to be turning down 140 million or whatever it was, there's no point in not playing him.

      Get him back in training and back in the side. We have a great XI and some good depth (besides at CB) to be working with.

      Other than United I can't see much in this league that worries me. Time to win a title before he departs!
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2811: Sep 04, 2017 02:38:48 am
      Coutinho was complicit in Barca's tactics. Day before season starts, threw in a transfer request.. then bids coming in for him just before each game. Their goal was to make Klopp lose his head? Liverpool lose games? Mess our CL qualification game up?
      Then he fakes a bad back...
      He is getting benched and you guys know it. Klopp is not going to unsettle the whole team just because of him.
      He's going to come back sulking and being rubbish or getting sent off on purpose etc... I don't trust him.
      Ox, Can, Woodburn, Hendo, Gini can be in midfield and when Lallana is back so can he... not to forget Grujic is pushing for a spot.
      We are not short in midfield, if we get injuries he gets a chance, if he messed that up he can rot in the reserves like Sakho did and then we can sell him 100m+ after he misses the world cup.
      I can totally see this being his come back.

                             Ings       
            Coutinho              Markovic
                 
                    Ejaria       Grujic     
                              Ox

            Flanno Lovren    Gomes   Moreno

                            Ward

      Stick him in the league cup, forget champions league.. where was he against Hoffemheim.
      « Last Edit: Sep 04, 2017 02:46:00 am by Ribapuru »
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      Reply #2812: Sep 04, 2017 07:18:03 am
      He's going to come back sulking and being rubbish or getting sent off on purpose etc...

      Behave...

      He's had his World cup warning, he was a Brazil sub solely due to lack of games and that came straight from the Brazil managers lips.

      Stick him in the league cup, forget champions league..

      Taking Klopps words at face value, that's not going to happen..

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2813: Sep 04, 2017 12:11:32 pm
      He will probably start from the bench for a few games but due to lack of match sharpness rather than as any punishment.
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      Reply #2814: Sep 04, 2017 01:00:24 pm
      I'd also have him as an option on the bench, he should not be starting though, I mean why disrupt a team that's playing so well.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2815: Sep 05, 2017 09:41:16 am
      I feel the same as most of ye on here. Starts on the bench and stays there until needed. Our midfield three of Can, Hendo and Gini works against the bigger teams gives us a solid base for our pacey forwards to run riot. Against the smaller sides Phil works better with them sitting deeper. He is still our player and as long as he trains well and puts a shift in when called upon then he gets my support. Klopp will know exactly how to handle this situation.
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      Reply #2816: Sep 05, 2017 07:29:45 pm
      I hope it isn't discussed somewhere else already, but german media report that Coutinho wants to strike and not play for us in CL to force a transfer in January. If he played for us in CL he couldn't next year for anybody else.

      How should LFC deal with that if it's true?
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      Reply #2817: Sep 05, 2017 07:31:15 pm
      I hope it isn't discussed somewhere else already, but german media report that Coutinho wants to strike and not play for us in CL to force a transfer in January. If he played for us in CL he couldn't next year for anybody else.

      How should LFC deal with that if it's true?

      Well if he went to that extreme then you cease paying him and let him sit at home for the next year...see how a year off from playing football enhances his career.
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      Reply #2818: Sep 05, 2017 07:37:24 pm
      Well if he went to that extreme then you cease paying him and let him sit at home for the next year...see how a year off from playing football enhances his career.

      Sorted then. Nothing much to add 😊
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      Re: Coutinho strike?
      Reply #2819: Sep 05, 2017 07:37:55 pm
      How does German media know about a Brazilian player playing for a club in England to force a move to a club in Spain?
      Think even Marca will have more credibility than this..

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