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      Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool > FC Barcelona)

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2970: Oct 29, 2017 12:36:01 am
      Our record without him this season is pretty damn good. Get £100M for him and get a new keeper, defender and Keita early

      120 Million mate, f**k them Barca Cu*ts!!
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2971: Oct 29, 2017 01:33:39 am
      Our record without him this season is pretty damn good. Get £100M for him and get a new keeper, defender and Keita early

      RBL are not going to let Keita leave early...you can make book on that
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2972: Oct 29, 2017 12:32:00 pm
      Trade! If Barca still wants him, then let them give you someone in exchange, e.g. Suarez plus 20 Mio. €. I'd do this trade.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2973: Oct 29, 2017 03:50:29 pm
      http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/872370/Barcelona-Liverpool-star-forward-Philippe-Coutinho-January-bid

      The Express go with Barca being convinced they can get Coutinho in January for £132m with a down payment of £75m.

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-board-promise-jurgen-klopp-11427926

      The Mirror reports the LFC board have promised Klopp he can use every penny of the potential £130m for rebuilding.






       
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2974: Oct 30, 2017 09:41:30 am
      2017-18 LFC Competitive games

      Without Coutinho P7 W5 D1 L1 (71% win)

      With Coutinho P9 W2 D5 L2 (22% win)

      Think I'd expect more impact from a £130M signing?
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2975: Oct 30, 2017 09:58:22 am
      2017-18 LFC Competitive games

      Without Coutinho P7 W5 D1 L1 (71% win)

      With Coutinho P9 W2 D5 L2 (22% win)

      Think I'd expect more impact from a £130M signing?

      Meant to post that the other day JD.

      I do think he distorts our set up - great players often do but.......

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2976: Oct 30, 2017 04:49:30 pm
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2977: Oct 30, 2017 05:41:29 pm

      Is it just me that thinks hes not really that good.
      Don't get me wrong hes a very good player but he comes up short if you compare him against the creme in my opinion (Hazard, De Bruyne).
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2978: Oct 30, 2017 05:53:06 pm
      Is it just me that thinks hes not really that good.
      Don't get me wrong hes a very good player but he comes up short if you compare him against the creme in my opinion (Hazard, De Bruyne).

      Barca and apparently PSG think highly of him, maybe they are of the opinion that surrounded by quality team mates he can really shine.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2979: Oct 30, 2017 06:22:30 pm
      Is it just me that thinks hes not really that good.
      Don't get me wrong hes a very good player but he comes up short if you compare him against the creme in my opinion (Hazard, De Bruyne).

      He is very good in our team so how good would he be in a better team, phil's figures compare very favourably to hazard
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      Reply #2980: Oct 30, 2017 06:31:12 pm
      Is it just me that thinks hes not really that good.
      Don't get me wrong hes a very good player but he comes up short if you compare him against the creme in my opinion (Hazard, De Bruyne).

      I never have the feeling he's going to change a game and do something special like I did with Stevie, Torres or Luis.

      Not sure if that's what you are talking about though.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
      Reply #2981: Oct 30, 2017 06:44:56 pm
      2017-18 LFC Competitive games

      Without Coutinho P7 W5 D1 L1 (71% win)

      With Coutinho P9 W2 D5 L2 (22% win)

      Think I'd expect more impact from a £130M signing?

      I'll trust my own eyes rather than stats over such a small sample of matches. Coutinho is our best player, along with Mane.
      If we sell him, we'll miss him. We shouldn't sell until/unless we've got a replacement lined up, which isn't likely to be until the summer ( if we're lucky, knowing FSG). So Barca and PSG can wait.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2982: Oct 30, 2017 07:12:06 pm
      Barca and apparently PSG think highly of him, maybe they are of the opinion that surrounded by quality team mates he can really shine.

      PSG or Neymar? :p

      Anyway, I do hope we sell him for 120m+ and end up using that money to buy 2 exceptional players, players such as, Jorginho and VVD.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2983: Oct 31, 2017 12:47:00 am
      I'll trust my own eyes rather than stats over such a small sample of matches.

      Entirely fair enough.  He's a very good player.  I was just pointing out that we haven't won 7 of the 9 games he's played in.  Of course it's a team sport, there are 10 other players to have good games or sh*t games - just thought it was interesting to point out that for a player supposedly valued at £130M he doesn't seem to have a transformative effect on Liverpool's actual results.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2984: Oct 31, 2017 02:02:03 pm
      Entirely fair enough.  He's a very good player.  I was just pointing out that we haven't won 7 of the 9 games he's played in.  Of course it's a team sport, there are 10 other players to have good games or sh*t games - just thought it was interesting to point out that for a player supposedly valued at £130M he doesn't seem to have a transformative effect on Liverpool's actual results.

      He can be up there with the likes of Iniesta, Thiago, Isco etc, but why isn't he? How many times have we seen him do the job of Hendo's where he is dropping in to dictate from deep? And when played in midfield, why do we need him to interchange with Hendo or Wijnaldum/Can where we will see him as the deepest lying midfielder covering defensively? Combination of unsuited tactics and average players perhaps is the reason why we seem to struggle with him, and/or why he is stagnated as a player for us.

      There is no doubt once Coutinho moves to a bigger club, he will notch it up a level or 2 because there are far better players than what we have in midfield and defence which would lead to less defensive work and better possession play. As much of a c**t he is for doing what he did, I can understand why he wants to f**k off.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2985: Oct 31, 2017 02:19:28 pm
      I never have the feeling he's going to change a game and do something special like I did with Stevie, Torres or Luis.

      Not sure if that's what you are talking about though.

      Nope never changed a game for us  :lmao:

      You want to watch a few more LFC games mate!

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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2986: Oct 31, 2017 02:25:39 pm
      Nope never changed a game for us  :lmao:

      You want to watch a few more LFC games mate!



      Of course he has, but he is not even near to the kind of player Gerrard or Luis were in terms of winning a game singlehandedly. Phil still needs the team to be playing fairly well to create the openings for him whereas Stevie and Luis could score goals out of nothing.

      If offered £130 million rip their bloody hands off, for that amount we can buy some players which are much more important to our current team than Phil is, for starters a top notch goalie and central defender.
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      Reply #2987: Oct 31, 2017 02:36:18 pm
      Of course he has, but he is not even near to the kind of player Gerrard or Luis were in terms of winning a game singlehandedly. Phil still needs the team to be playing fairly well to create the openings for him whereas Stevie and Luis could score goals out of nothing.

      Coutinho could score goals out of no where (he has done this many times) whether he or the team are playing poor or not. The huge difference between Coutinho and Suarez/Gerrard is the consistency levels, but I wonder if that's down to a combination of tactics and the quality of players we have in midfield and defence.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2988: Oct 31, 2017 03:25:09 pm
      I just don't know how much I trust Phil at this point to put the club first. When he scores and plays well I am happy, but I wouldn't say I truly root for him, not the way I do for the other 10 men that are on the pitch. I get that he wants to move to Barca, and I don't fault that desire either. However, I question his effort since being back. I question how he went about trying to get gone. I want to see LFC do what is best for the club, but there is a part of me that would love to see him gone because I know he doesn't love this club. Hopefully we can get £130M + for him and get a FEW players that would help our club. I really would love to get Draxler in the MF and VVD plus another CB. Perhaps a striker if we see it fit. In the end I want us to make Phil's exist a way to improve our club and take the next step forward. Building a good squad is the way to go IMO.
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      Reply #2989: Oct 31, 2017 04:13:06 pm
      I just don't know how much I trust Phil at this point to put the club first. When he scores and plays well I am happy, but I wouldn't say I truly root for him, not the way I do for the other 10 men that are on the pitch. I get that he wants to move to Barca, and I don't fault that desire either. However, I question his effort since being back. I question how he went about trying to get gone. I want to see LFC do what is best for the club, but there is a part of me that would love to see him gone because I know he doesn't love this club. Hopefully we can get £130M + for him and get a FEW players that would help our club. I really would love to get Draxler in the MF and VVD plus another CB. Perhaps a striker if we see it fit. In the end I want us to make Phil's exist a way to improve our club and take the next step forward. Building a good squad is the way to go IMO.

      In total agreement with you. Don't know if you or others have noticed but he doesn't look happy playing for you anymore. He still plays with 100% commitment but that smile has gone. It's best for all parties concerned he goes. You can buy 1 or 2 very good players with that kind of money and then move on.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2990: Oct 31, 2017 04:29:09 pm
      Nope never changed a game for us  :lmao:

      You want to watch a few more LFC games mate!



      Where did I say he never changed a game for us? 
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2991: Oct 31, 2017 07:08:18 pm


      If offered £130 million rip their bloody hands off, for that amount we can buy some players which are much more important to our current team than Phil is, for starters a top notch goalie and central defender.


      But the problem is that £130 million in today's market doesn't really get you that much does it? Sell Coutinho and then spend the cash on Van Dyke and Tomas Lemar (and the fee alone wouldn't even cover the cost of those two). So it's hardly a squad changing sale that transforms the fortunes of the team. It's one player out and two maybe three at a push players in.
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      Reply #2992: Oct 31, 2017 07:47:44 pm

      But the problem is that £130 million in today's market doesn't really get you that much does it? Sell Coutinho and then spend the cash on Van Dyke and Tomas Lemar (and the fee alone wouldn't even cover the cost of those two). So it's hardly a squad changing sale that transforms the fortunes of the team. It's one player out and two maybe three at a push players in.

      Bit confused, are you agreeing with me or not? Even if you 'only' get 2 top players for £130m surely that's better than 1 player who irrespective of how good they are wants to leave.
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2993: Oct 31, 2017 10:44:41 pm
      Don't care what stats are thrown out, the guy is our best player imho.
      And though not 'measurable', I really like watching him play and will miss hugely if he goes.
      You might not rate him that highly but it's not for no reason that Barca (and PSG?) want him for >100mill.
      We'll get a wad of cash, just hope we use it wisely.

      Don't want to be that selling club, but he obviously wants to go and we'll have to let him eventually - this season ain't going so well, so maybe club will feel not a bad time to move him on in January without to many objections and having to wait until next summer.
      Whether we actually sign someone in Jan am not so sure (just going on our record last summer when had money to spend). Don't want us prematurely ejaculating cash all over the place, but would give us a boost for the 2nd half of the season to get some new blood in (and gives a half season to bed in before next full season).
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2994: Oct 31, 2017 10:58:02 pm
      In total agreement with you. Don't know if you or others have noticed but he doesn't look happy playing for you anymore. He still plays with 100% commitment but that smile has gone. It's best for all parties concerned he goes. You can buy 1 or 2 very good players with that kind of money and then move on.

      Our record of replacing our best talent isn't particularly encouraging, i find it bizarre that some people here rate him so little and are so easily prepared to sell him
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2995: Nov 01, 2017 02:05:57 pm
      In total agreement with you. Don't know if you or others have noticed but he doesn't look happy playing for you anymore. He still plays with 100% commitment but that smile has gone. It's best for all parties concerned he goes. You can buy 1 or 2 very good players with that kind of money and then move on.

      I'm of the opinion that the smile will come back IF we went out and signed those very good players in January (or better still last summer would have been nice). I'm glad we said no to Barca, it was about time so kudos to FSG for that BUT it's all for nothing if the club don't spend the funds on players of a similar ability level to play alongside him.

      Bit confused, are you agreeing with me or not? Even if you 'only' get 2 top players for £130m surely that's better than 1 player who irrespective of how good they are wants to leave.

      I'm disagreeing with you. We should be buying those 2 top players to play alongside Coutinho rather than to replace him.
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      Reply #2996: Nov 04, 2017 04:57:02 pm
      Our record of replacing our best talent isn't particularly encouraging, i find it bizarre that some people here rate him so little and are so easily prepared to sell him

      The majority appreciate Coutinho for the flashes of brilliance he shows and game changing performances, it is indeed bizarre that anyone could underestimate his talent and his value to LFC.
      On the other hand if the lad wants away there's not much Jürgen or anyone else can do about it.

      According to reports Barca, PSG and now Real Madrid could be in for the player.

      http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20171103/432544652366/coutinho-barca-liverpool-barcelona.html
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      Re: Philippe Coutinho Player Thread
      Reply #2997: Nov 05, 2017 12:28:38 am
      Real Madrid are ready to compete with Barcelona to sign Liverpool and Brazil midfielder Philippe Coutinho, 25


      http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20171103/432544652366/coutinho-barca-liverpool-barcelona.html

      If the rumors are true that's Real, Barca and PSG coming in for Coutinho we could score in excess of £150 m for him  ;D
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      Reply #2998: Nov 05, 2017 12:29:55 am
      The majority appreciate Coutinho for the flashes of brilliance he shows and game changing performances, it is indeed bizarre that anyone could underestimate his talent and his value to LFC.
      On the other hand if the lad wants away there's not much Jürgen or anyone else can do about it.

      According to reports Barca, PSG and now Real Madrid could be in for the player.

      http://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/fc-barcelona/20171103/432544652366/coutinho-barca-liverpool-barcelona.html

       As I posted I saw your post LOL... Beat me to it again  :f_wah:
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      Reply #2999: Nov 05, 2017 07:06:46 am
      As I posted I saw your post LOL... Beat me to it again  :f_wah:

      Haha, it is only a Spanish link and might be a bag of sh*te but the rumblings of a bidding war are there mate.

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