West Ham could create monster - Lambert

Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert is concerned that a ''monster'' could be created if West Ham succeed in getting Andy Carroll's red card overturned.
WH are to take legal action after the FA rejected their appeal over the striker's dismissal against Swansea.
Lambert said ''if it is overruled then you create a monster of everybody wanting the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26077406

If Lambert is referring to all club's wanting to see justice done he is entirely correct; there is some distance between the FA's idea of justice and the legal interpretation.
As for it setting a negative precedent, the opposite could very well transpire and some middle ground could be achieved between the FA's affected judgement and a legal ruling.
For the record the reaction to the severe provocation Carroll was subjected to was farcical and without doubt affected the official's decision, of course an official decision is binding when under scrutiny such as this.
Remember Luis Suarez and the perjury by Vidic & co?

West Ham are embarrassing themselves to be honest. It was a clear red IMO even taking Chicos' antics into the equation. They have no case here.

Still firmly believe if we had gone above the FA over the Luis case though things would have been very interesting, just a shame we lost our bottle at the last minute.

never a red in my opinion just a tangle with some tosser throwing himself on the floor like he had been shot.If anything he should of had the card for unsportsman like behaviour.Good on West Ham its about time the FA was right royally fu**ed.It needs a total overhaul.

It was a clear red

Really?

Really?

using the wrong clip its the one where he turns around and smashes him with his forearm...oh sorry that's what Webb saw.

using the wrong clip its the one where he turns around and smashes him with his forearm...oh sorry that's what Webb saw.

To be fair Carroll does knock his hair bobble off

Webb must have seen the headlock applied before the incident Carroll was carded for, the muppet made no attempt to book Chico for that or the theatrics played out.
What was funny was seeing Allardyce head to head with the wopper on the touchline laughing uncontrollably at his antics - surprised Webb didn't book fat Sam for that.   

To be fair Carroll does knock his hair bobble off

 

It's the right arm punch he gets sent off for, not the flailing arm. You can see Webb's reaction raising his finger before Carroll's arm even comes around to tickle his head, Chico's reaction does nothing to influence the decision and on this occasion Webb is spot on.

West Ham are embarrassing themselves to be honest. It was a clear red IMO even taking Chicos' antics into the equation. They have no case here.

Still firmly believe if we had gone above the FA over the Luis case though things would have been very interesting, just a shame we lost our bottle at the last minute.

It wasn't we mate it was JWH.
 We had a stronger case than this but with our owner being 3,000 miles away and unaware what a bag of sh*te the FA really are; as well as under an exaggerated fear of the repercussions of querying their decisions, caved in and threw Kenny Dalglish and Luis Suarez to the jackals.
The FA do what they do, as Ferguson did, because nobody will challenge their self-held belief they are untouchable.
One word describes that attitude - arrogance.

It's the right arm punch he gets sent off for, not the flailing arm. You can see Webb's reaction raising his finger before Carroll's arm even comes around to tickle his head, Chico's reaction does nothing to influence the decision and on this occasion Webb is spot on.

Looked like Carroll was trying to get him to release the stranglehold he had on him Luke.

Their is a reason West Ham have withdrawn their threat to take it to court and why we didn't pursue it.

It's called Article 64 of the FIFA statutes.

The Confederations, Members and Leagues shall agree to recognise CAS as an independent judicial authority and to ensure that their members, affiliated Players and Officials comply with the decisions passed by CAS. The same obligation shall apply to licensed match and players’ agents.

2 Recourse to ordinary courts of law is prohibited unless specifically provided for in the FIFA regulations.

3 The Associations shall insert a clause in their statutes or regulations, stipulating that it is prohibited to take disputes in the Association or disputes affecting Leagues, members of Leagues, clubs, members of clubs, Players, Officials and other Association Officials to ordinary courts of law, unless the FIFA regulations or binding legal provisions specifically provide for or stipulate recourse to ordinary courts of law. Instead of recourse to ordinary courts of law, provision shall be made for arbitration. Such disputes shall be taken to an independent and duly constituted arbitration tribunal recognised under the rules of the Association or Confederation or to CAS.  The Associations shall also ensure that this stipulation is implemented in the Association, if necessary by imposing a binding obligation on its members. The Associations shall impose sanctions on any party that fails to respect this obligation and ensure that any appeal against such sanctions shall likewise be strictly submitted to arbitration, and not to ordinary courts of law.

Their is a reason West Ham have withdrawn their threat to take it to court and why we didn't pursue it.

It's called Article 64 of the FIFA statutes.

The Confederations, Members and Leagues shall agree to recognise CAS as an independent judicial authority and to ensure that their members, affiliated Players and Officials comply with the decisions passed by CAS. The same obligation shall apply to licensed match and players’ agents.

2 Recourse to ordinary courts of law is prohibited unless specifically provided for in the FIFA regulations.

3 The Associations shall insert a clause in their statutes or regulations, stipulating that it is prohibited to take disputes in the Association or disputes affecting Leagues, members of Leagues, clubs, members of clubs, Players, Officials and other Association Officials to ordinary courts of law, unless the FIFA regulations or binding legal provisions specifically provide for or stipulate recourse to ordinary courts of law. Instead of recourse to ordinary courts of law, provision shall be made for arbitration. Such disputes shall be taken to an independent and duly constituted arbitration tribunal recognised under the rules of the Association or Confederation or to CAS.  The Associations shall also ensure that this stipulation is implemented in the Association, if necessary by imposing a binding obligation on its members. The Associations shall impose sanctions on any party that fails to respect this obligation and ensure that any appeal against such sanctions shall likewise be strictly submitted to arbitration, and not to ordinary courts of law.

Am employer can't stop you going to a court of law, no matter how much they put it in a contract.

The FA are reopening the case it seems. Definite red though still for me, typical Andy Carroll. Clumsy and ungainly. Could easily have got Chico bang in the nose if he could hit the target.

Am employer can't stop you going to a court of law, no matter how much they put it in a contract.

FIFA & The FA aren't the employer though.  They are simply the rules of the game and if you want to play in a FIFA, UEFA or FA recognised tournament, they are kind of set in stone.  In recent times the Scottish FA and the Thai FA have had pressure applied when clubs took 'football' matters to court and both times the clubs involved backed out when that pressure was passed down.  I'm in no way saying this closed shop mentality is right but it certainly seems to prevail.

FIFA & The FA aren't the employer though.  They are simply the rules of the game and if you want to play in a FIFA, UEFA or FA recognised tournament, they are kind of set in stone.  In recent times the Scottish FA and the Thai FA have had pressure applied when clubs took 'football' matters to court and both times the clubs involved backed out when that pressure was passed down.  I'm in no way saying this closed shop mentality is right but it certainly seems to prevail.

Nothing is mentioned in the agreement about a private prosecution, in the Luis Suarez debacle that option was always open to JWH to circumvent the FA agreement which had no legal ramifications whatever.
Instead of pursuing a private prosecution FSG caved in to the FA/Ferguson/Vidic complicity and Kenny Dalglish was used to appease their anti-LFC mind set. 
Suarez the alleged ''culprit'' was eventually given a huge pay rise to make sure he stayed where he was.
 His value increased while his tantrums were expunged, which in itself is an explanation as to why JWH refused to consider a private prosecution, their prized asset would eventually be forced to leave the Prem no doubt due to the attentions of the enraged FA.
Luis was given some assurances about CL qualification and job's a good'n.
That hypothesis while not being far from the truth I feel would not affect West Ham's case if they were to bring a P.P. - there is one bogey man to be wary of, the enraged FA post prosecution spite.

West Ham could create a monster?

Well they're already managed by one...

West Ham could create a monster?

Well they're already managed by one...

Jabba's Laugh

Crazy this, probably not a clear red but I think it's quite clear to see why it was given and it certainly doesn't warrant this type of reaction from West Ham. Would love it if those tw*ts went down.

Although this does make me think what would have happened about Suarez if we pushed it harder.

Crazy this, probably not a clear red but I think it's quite clear to see why it was given and it certainly doesn't warrant this type of reaction from West Ham. Would love it if those tw*ts went down.

Be careful what you wish for, who else is going to buy our duds?

who else is going to buy our duds?

Chelsea?

Shoud have been a yellow for both men, a talking to and that's that.

West Ham feel hard done I'm sure, but ridiculous to make such a big deal about it. Sometimes crap happens, deal with it. With all the stick that Suarez has taken, can't see how anyone else would have a reason to moan.

Shoud have been a yellow for both men, a talking to and that's that.

West Ham feel hard done I'm sure, but ridiculous to make such a big deal about it. Sometimes crap happens, deal with it. With all the stick that Suarez has taken, can't see how anyone else would have a reason to moan.

Long may it continue while the FA and it's deputies are shown for the inconsistent, hypocritical bigots they are, the whole system wants dismantling and any potential  unprofessional issues such as associations with specific clubs confronted, no matter how obscure.

If this card gets overturned, then they should have overturned half of Joey Bartons red cards. West Ham are looking crazy and if I was FA I would extends the ban for complaining, which they have the power to do. This is just about one of the only times I can remember saying this but, the fa have got it right. If FA do overturn this, then it will be very weak indeed.... When the clubs become more powerful than the governing body it is time for a new reform.

Shoud have been a yellow for both men, a talking to and that's that.

West Ham feel hard done I'm sure, but ridiculous to make such a big deal about it. Sometimes crap happens, deal with it. With all the stick that Suarez has taken, can't see how anyone else would have a reason to moan.

I disagree, his arm was high and he swung it around. How is it any different from David Beckhams sending off when he flung his leg out in WC 1998. It's about time players were dealt with. 100% Carrol's fault and I am guessing his chances of playing for England just nose dived.

I disagree, his arm was high and he swung it around. How is it any different from David Beckhams sending off when he flung his leg out in WC 1998. It's about time players were dealt with. 100% Carrol's fault and I am guessing his chances of playing for England just nose dived.

Carroll was already on the outs for England...they don't need him, his form is poor and he's been injured. Who really cares about that part of it.

As far as the arm swinging around....you, incidental...if he'd wanted to hit him he could have done a lot better job of it.

If this card gets overturned, then they should have overturned half of Joey Bartons red cards. West Ham are looking so stupid and if I was FA I would extends the ban for complaining, which they have the power to do. This is just about one of the only times I can remember saying this but, the fa have got it right... I feel a little sick now.

You must type with a bowl next to you 'cos you've posted far more perverse offerings than that.

Carroll was already on the outs for England...they don't need him, his form is poor and he's been injured. Who really cares about that part of it.

As far as the arm swinging around....you, incidental...if he'd wanted to hit him he could have done a lot better job of it.

Indeed and if anyone takes a smack obviously they will want to reduce movement and attempt to smother the pain.
Rolling about like a F***ing gymnast having a fit is unconvincing to say the least.

Shock FA do not change their mind.

 Andy Carroll: West Ham striker's three-match ban upheld by tribunal

An independent tribunal  has upheld the Football Association's decision to reject West Ham's appeal against Andy Carroll's three-match ban.

The Premier League side threatened legal action against the FA after their initial attempt to overturn the ban was turned down.

Carroll will now miss the Hammers' matches against Aston Villa, Norwich and Southampton.

He was sent off during his side's 2-0 win against Swansea last Saturday.

Before Friday's hearing, West Ham had promised to abide by the decision.

The Hammers, who lie 18th in the table, also suggested the FA-appointed panel "did not apply the correct test" under its rules when making the original decision.

The move to reconsider the upholding of the initial suspension with a further hearing is a highly unusual one, and is the last stage a dispute can reach under FA rules.

It is thought to be the first time in Premier League history that a rejected red-card appeal has then been referred to an independent arbitrator.

Carroll, 25, was dismissed after clashing with Swans defender Chico Flores at Upton Park.

According to the FA, West Ham failed to prove that referee Howard Webb had made "an obvious error" in dismissing the forward, whose arm hit Flores on the top of his head as he tried to untangle himself following an aerial challenge.

Flores went to ground clutching his face but West Ham felt he had overacted. Replays also suggested that the contact was unintentional.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26081791

the stupid bas**rds fell hook line and sinker for that one.

the stupid bas**rds fell hook line and sinker for that one.

There are fish that are harder to catch when they recognise the snaring paraphernalia, the line, the shot, the hook and even the appearance of the bait will alert them. They will arrogantly shunt the lead so your float sinks and you strike, these fish are 'wised up' and are rarely fooled.
The FA are the one's with the shredded mouth who even F***ing idiots catch day after day, lads out for a bit of sport avoid them like the plague on account of them fouling your F***ing day up.