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      Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Apr 28, 2014 11:12:39 am
      Everywhere I go, everything I read people are always saying or writing that this is our BEST chance to win it....

      Main reasons seem to be;

      A) Chelsea will spend big
      B) City will spend big
      C) Man Utd will not be as sh*te
      D) Ditto Spurs
      E) Arsenal will spend big

      But more importantly people seem to think we have massivley over acheived and we will slip back....

      My thoughts on A-E are that this is absolutley no change for the past few years, with the possible exception of Utd getting better....

      So really the question is have we over achieved or can we have another go next year??

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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #1: Apr 28, 2014 11:16:55 am
      can't agree whit this. I think we'll get better and better. We have strong first team, but problem is that we do not have quality subs. So whit few good transfers I can only see more progress.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #2: Apr 28, 2014 11:20:59 am
      Everywhere I go, everything I read people are always saying or writing that this is our one and only chance to win it....

      Main reasons seem to be;

      A) Chelsea will spend big
      B) City will spend big
      C) Man Utd will not be as sh*te
      D) Ditto Spurs
      E) Arsenal will spend big

      But more importantly people seem to think we have massivley over acheived and we will slip back....

      My thoughts on A-E are that this is absolutley no change for the past few years, with the possible exception of Utd getting better....

      So really the question is have we over achieved or can we have another go next year??



      A & B - when do those 2 teams not spend big? City had a net spend of around £90m over the course of the season, Chelsea had a net spend of about £55m, ours was about £20m.

      C - Nobody can predict how sh*t United will be next season, they're about to lose Evra, Ferdinand and possibly Vidic. They're 3 experienced leaders and without Champions League football who knows who they will sign.

      D - Spurs have only finished in the top 4 once I think, says it all.

      E - Knowing Arsene Wenger he will waste all of his budget on midfielders again like he usually does.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #3: Apr 28, 2014 11:26:00 am
      Well, "Everyone" can F**k off then.
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      Reply #4: Apr 28, 2014 11:35:18 am
      1. With the success of this season FSG will release some cash to Brendan. New players WILL come in. This does not necessarily mean we will be better, especially if a new back line does not gel right.
      2. The team HAS overachieved considering where we finished last year. It's rare that teams go for hoping for Europe to challenging for the top spot in one season. Next year we won't be underdogs and this will add to the pressure.
      3. SAS(AS) demolished teams this year because oppositions did not know how to defend against them. Chelsea proved how to play against us successfully yesterday and I see more teams using similar tactics against us


      I'm not being pessimistic. Just tried to be as unbiased as possible with this reply. Give me a few weeks after the league ends this year and I'll be itching to go again to hopefully defend a title!!
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #5: Apr 28, 2014 11:41:15 am
      To an extent we have overachieved but not to the extent others believe.

      We have a very small squad in terms of depth, we will buy in the summer so that will improve.

      We have a very young squad, they'll be more experienced and will improve.

      We have a very inexperienced and young manager, he will improve.

      We are on an upward curve but just because it's surprised a few people doesn't mean we're going to turn back without completing the journey.

      In a way I'm glad they think it's a one off, being underdog this season has kept off unwanted pressure.
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      Reply #6: Apr 28, 2014 11:50:33 am
      I think it is a reflection of a couple of a few things really:

      1/ We've been in the doldrums for some time now so our mentality as fans has altered somewhat. It used to be automatic top 4 and an expectation that we could/would put in a challenge for the top but our expectations (for the majority at least) have had to be altered the past few years.

      2/ The competition for the top 4 is now so fierce. Just staying there will be a challenge next season, let alone bringing a full title challenge once again because it is effectively 5/6 teams trying to squeeze into 4 spots.

      3/ But ultimately I think it reflects the sheer surprise and euphoria of being in the position we were in (this this time yesterday) compared to the situation we wake up too today.

      It has certainly affected me, I still feel completely flat and deflated today. If we don't go on and win it I will certainly be able to be more philosophical about what has been an excellent season but it'll taker a bit of time. If that is how I feel I have got no idea how the skipper must be feeling right now.

      But, I have to say that based on yesterday's performance, we looked like a side who will be up there once again next season. Particularly with youngsters like Sterling and Coutinho looking ready to become the next 'world class' Liverpool players. People just need a bit of time to process I think.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #7: Apr 28, 2014 12:08:29 pm
      There's no way this was our "only" chance, but this was surely our best chance in a long, long time. So "IF" it slips away, it's going to hurt even more than normal.

      It's been a long wait afterall, and to slip up at the last hurdle is painful.

      As for "people" (cynical fans / opposition fans), they didn't believe we could do it this year, yet we did!
      They won't believe it next year, and we'll surprise them again!  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #8: Apr 28, 2014 12:25:15 pm
      Only?! Ridiculous statement, best could well prove to be correct but only is 100% incorrect.

      Like I keep harping on though this Summer is absolutely crucial to how we progress. "Best" could be true for many factors that aligned this year to give us that "best" chance:

      1. So many changes of manager at the top clubs (City/Chelsea/United/Spurs).
      2. Our lack of any European football.
      3. The fall of United from top to midtable.

      With our small squad that lack of European football equalised the squad gap between us and the top tier of teams. We have proven this year that our first XI is capable of challenging for the title but it has also been proven that our back-up / squad players simply aren't good enough to cut it.

      When we've called upon Cissokho, Jones, Aspas, Alberto, Moses they've made little to no positive impact in any of our games.

      It could easily lead you to question the loaning of Suso, Borini, Ibe as they'd probably all be better options than those we have at our disposal but that's a statement made through hindsight. At the beginning of the year virtually none of us could foresee a title challenge and Brendan could well have been planning for next season at the beginning of this. That could of course come to bite him in the arse but it's equally as probable that having sat on the bench for most of the year that those lads would also have had a limited impact on games.

      What it will do though is give us a an advantage in the Summer because it will be like having some new signings on day one of preseason, Ilori, Ibe, Suso, Borini, Wisdom all coming back in from successful loan spells will boost our squad tremendously. I suspect each of them will push aside one of their counterparts and allow us to boost the coffers in shipping out those surplus and bringing in players of great quality. That's all we lack now from being consistently up there, a few quality players in the right positions.

      So this talk of "only" is complete and utter bollocks! The talk of "best" is even stretching it a little.
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      Reply #9: Apr 28, 2014 12:31:00 pm
      Only?! Ridiculous statement, best could well prove to be correct but only is 100% incorrect.

      Like I keep harping on though this Summer is absolutely crucial to how we progress. "Best" could be true for many factors that aligned this year to give us that "best" chance:

      1. So many changes of manager at the top clubs (City/Chelsea/United/Spurs).
      2. Our lack of any European football.
      3. The fall of United from top to midtable.

      With our small squad that lack of European football equalised the squad gap between us and the top tier of teams. We have proven this year that our first XI is capable of challenging for the title but it has also been proven that our back-up / squad players simply aren't good enough to cut it.

      When we've called upon Cissokho, Jones, Aspas, Alberto, Moses they've made little to no positive impact in any of our games.

      It could easily lead you to question the loaning of Suso, Borini, Ibe as they'd probably all be better options than those we have at our disposal but that's a statement made through hindsight. At the beginning of the year virtually none of us could foresee a title challenge and Brendan could well have been planning for next season at the beginning of this. That could of course come to bite him in the arse but it's equally as probable that having sat on the bench for most of the year that those lads would also have had a limited impact on games.

      What it will do though is give us a an advantage in the Summer because it will be like having some new signings on day one of preseason, Ilori, Ibe, Suso, Borini, Wisdom all coming back in from successful loan spells will boost our squad tremendously. I suspect each of them will push aside one of their counterparts and allow us to boost the coffers in shipping out those surplus and bringing in players of great quality. That's all we lack now from being consistently up there, a few quality players in the right positions.

      So this talk of "only" is complete and utter bollocks! The talk of "best" is even stretching it a little.

      Agree fully with this. People seem to forget that we'll be strengthening ourselves, our loanees will come back and be decent squad players replacing the likes of Aspas etc, whilst we will also be signing first team quality, forcing those in our line up, that have already proven they can challenge to the bench. Next year defensively we will surely be much stronger than this year having adjusted to fitting in Mignolet and Sakho not forgetting the amount of disruption we've had this year in defence with injuries.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #10: Apr 28, 2014 12:41:12 pm
      So really the question is have we over achieved or can we have another go next year??

      We have over-achieved, don't think anyone can dispute that.  We have a very small squad and no doubt would have struggled with the same 11 if we had been in the Europa League and had good runs in both cups.  An extra 20 games and this team wouldn't be where they were.

      Liverpool will only make a success next year if they buy proven quality in the summer rather than quantity, and keep their focus on the Premier League. 

      A lot more teams will probably defend even at home against us next season, and it is more likely the top teams will come to Anfield, like Chelsea, aiming for a point.

      We need to be prepared for that.
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      Reply #11: Apr 28, 2014 01:17:55 pm
      Arsenal, Man Utd, chelsea, Man city, with the occasional drop in form or period of transition, all have sufficient income to challenge strongly most seasons.

      Despite not really challenging for the title, Tottenham have strengthened somewhat in recent years, giving them hope of a top four finish.

      We failed to win the Premier League when we were a part of the so-called Big Four, it can be argued that there are now a Big Six fighting it out.

      This is clearly not our only chance to win the title, but there have been few genuine challenges over the last couple of decades which make falling short harder to take.

      The increased level of competition in England, and huge income of our direct rivals, surely mean that it will be hard for any club to be in contention every year.

      It will be vital that our prize money and sponsorship earnings be carefully spent this summer.
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      Reply #12: Apr 28, 2014 03:17:47 pm
      To some extent, this season does i think provide one of the best opportunities - Man U in dissaray, Chelsk in middle of rebuilding, Spurs dropped the ball when appointing Sherwood, Arse have to come good one season in the end + LFC had no Euro football this season. So as i see it next year is gonna be tougher
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      Reply #13: Apr 28, 2014 06:09:29 pm
      One thing we have that other teams don't is Brendan Rodgers. He seems to be the great equalizer and with decent investment over the summer we will be right back at the top next season.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #14: Apr 28, 2014 06:13:11 pm
      Sorry, but what?

      We put together an 11-game winning run this season and made it look EASY.

      We could potentially do the same (or an even longer streak) twice or more next season! We're capable, we're virtually unplayable and we're Liverpool.

      People either hate us or rate us. That's how it's always been.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #15: Apr 28, 2014 06:21:56 pm
      We have been the best team in England over the last 18 months.  You could make the argument that we may have been less effective in the league if we'd had European football to worry about or if we'd gone deeper into some of the domestic cups, but that is really down to a lack of quality depth.  With the likes of Suso and Ilori both getting good experience in Spain and Borini looking like a decent option up front we will have some additional quality next season before we even buy anyone!!  If we can be effective and efficient in the summer transfer window then I see no reason why we will not continue as one of the best teams across all of the domestic and European competitions that we compete in!! 
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #16: Apr 28, 2014 06:30:03 pm
      So as i see it next year is gonna be tougher

      But it will be for everyone else too. 

      Where we will flourish is by having a manager entering his 3rd season with a young but more experienced squad of players who are now used to his methods. 

      We won't be bringing in a shed load of new players who need to adapt, we'll be bringing back our loanees who have had a season to get used to playing at high intensity every week.  We'll add 2 or 3 quality players who if Brendan gets it right should slot straight into the starting 11, like Cou and Sturridge did.

      Arsenal don't need many new players, what they need is a proper medical team to stop them getting so many injuries or change their training regime.

      The mancs are starting all over again with another new manager, same with spuds and they don't have an £80m player to sell this time.

      City and the chavs will strengthen but that's nothing new, they spend tens of millions every summer and we've kept up with them both this season.

      Let others think this was our best/only chance of winning the title, they wrote us off all season this time but with 2/3 games remaining we can still win it  ;)

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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #17: Apr 28, 2014 06:45:45 pm
      Nah, with some good summer signings we'll defend our title I think.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our only chance to win the PL?
      Reply #18: Apr 28, 2014 07:29:10 pm
      I've been having the very same conversation with a few people, and my answer here is the same as it is to them: look at our results since BR started to get his team together by bringing in Sturridge and Coutinho. We've averaged over 2 points per game for 15 months or so. That's not a flash in the pan or a one season wonder. That is the basis for long term success.
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      Reply #19: Apr 28, 2014 07:36:27 pm
      Baffling (desperate?) argument being made by some sets of supporters that this is a one-season blip for us. First and foremost: Look at the football and the results since January 2013. Maybe they could've said that the second half of last season was a purple patch with no pressure, etc. Then how do they explain our form this *entire* season? In most pressure situations, we've passed with flying colors this season. The Chelsea lost yesterday was the first we really slipped up.

      Also, gotta laugh at the ridiculous argument "Chelsea and City will spend." Of course they will. But what, we're not going to make additions? Some of these supporters act as if the squad we have now is the squad we're going to have forever. Stupid, really.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #20: Apr 28, 2014 07:59:45 pm
      comments duly noted and agreed, our best chance to win it.

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      Reply #21: Apr 28, 2014 08:05:24 pm
      I think that having a manager who has instilled a very definitive style of play is also another reason why we will be up for the next few years. This side has a real identity, not to mention some very talented young players. I don't believe we will be one season wonders but clearly it is another important transfer window ahead this summer and it is up to FSG to back the manager and its up to Brendan to get the right players in.

      There, I'm feeling a bit more philosophical already.

      Guess we are all Newcastle fans tonight then!
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #22: Apr 28, 2014 08:09:15 pm
      Its a great chance, how  any can say its our best chance I don't know? Nobody knows whats ahead for any club. Utd might fade for a few years. Arsenal are Arsenal. Chelsea might be deducted a heap of points for being c*nts and city well city hold no fear  for me at all

      Oh and Id bet were only going to keep improving 
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      Reply #23: Apr 28, 2014 08:13:23 pm
      With the right signings, I believe we'll have more opportunities in the near future, more than when Rafa was in charge. Whether it's next season or the season after next, I can see us being up there on a consistent basis and challenging.

      We have some exceptional kids coming through, a young team, back in champions league (able to attract better players) and more experience.
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      Reply #24: Apr 28, 2014 08:26:26 pm
      We will need investment as well as youth coming through, but will we get enough investment......
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      Reply #25: Apr 28, 2014 10:21:20 pm
      Ladies. & Gentlepersons this is only the beginning,
      We have genuinely over achieved with our small but very adequate squad,
      There is no doubt that without the endurance of midweek football we have had a very slight advantage over those who had, but only when we played them after a midweek match, bet that didn't happen to often if at all,

      I think we will only get better and better, add 3/4 top quality individuals in the correct positions and bring in our loan players, and of course promote one or two young academy lads suddenly our squad looks strong,

      Let them all think what they want, who f***in cares  ?
      I bet deep down that they are worried we continue to improve, because it threatens there chances and know that we are miles better than them , in a word the are f***in brickin it already,

      I can see us right up there again fighting for the title for the foreseeable future,

      Next season we will be fighting on four fronts, people reckon that will hamper us, for me it will be the making of us,

      Young team plying their trade in the best league on the planet, coupled with gaining experience in the biggest club competition on the planet , a young manager another year experienced in the EPL cutting his teeth in the CL without fear,

      Just watch what happens, I'm betting we thrive in the CL, we are a unknown entity , foreign clubs will not cope with the pace and power we have especially the earlier rounds ,

      To those who don't see us as a working progress,

      BE AFRAID , BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!!!'


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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #26: Apr 28, 2014 10:30:21 pm
      This is the best chance we've seen in a while, but it won't be the last.
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      Reply #27: Apr 28, 2014 10:35:42 pm
      Don't think anyone is doubting we will improve, another Summer for Hendo, Studge, Coutinho, Flanno, Sakho and my personal favourite Sterling will see all those improve massively. We have to do though:

      Man City: Seem to have a capable manager now as oppose to a bit of a loon and of course will spend some more Mansour millions.
      Arsenal: They'll actually buy a striker, everyone can see they're really lacking in that department. I think they've also been quite unlucky with injuries this season, especially to Walcott and Ramsey. They could well win the F.A. Cup and get into the CL so they'll have the chance to invest again and now the debt from the stadium is disappearing I suspect they will.
      Chelsea: They'll buy a striker or 4 and on top of that squad that will improve them without doubt, a Costa there (which looks guaranteed) will be a tough nut to crack.
      Spurs: I'm not particularly bothered about them, they need a manager first of all and I suspect it will be another transition season for them.
      Everton: Martinez appears to know what he's doing but they're going to lose plenty if they can't secure the likes of Lukaku and Deulofeu. If they don't get CL footy either they wont be investing too much as always and I think we can keep them at arms length.
      United: They're of course the strange one because if they do go out and grab a decent manager and spend £200m well then it could propel them back up there, but here's hoping for plenty of Bebes!

      So yeah we'll improve but with the heavier work load absolutely have to. Get this Summer right and we we can start to think about buying a few accessories for our perch because we'll be back there for a while.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #28: Apr 29, 2014 01:40:55 am
      It's easily been our best in the Premier League (so far), but will it be 'the best' in the long run? It's hard to say unless you own a crystal ball.

      We'll strengthen in the summer, with or without the title and I can only see us getting better. As previously noted, our rivals will definitely throw their weight around in the transfer market. I wouldn't worry too much about depth, we have quite a few lads on their way back who will be hungry, and will play their part(s) when the time is right.

      It's going to be an interesting finish to the current campaign, no doubt.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #29: Apr 29, 2014 02:29:27 am
      If there is anything that this season has shown us, it's that this exact question is highly unpredictable.

      Far too many variables here to be able to forecast anything with any kind of solidarity in the answer.

      Based on speculation, I think that we'll have many more opportunities to win in the future. We've got a quality manager, many flourishing prospects (Sterling, Hendo, Flanno, etc), indications for our owners to reasonably desire to invest and more money will be coming in so hopefully we'll improve the squad and clear away some deadwood, and a reinstilled belief in the club and the fortress that is Anfield from top to bottom.

      But like I said up top, who knows really? Football is a very unpredictable game.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #30: Apr 29, 2014 02:32:32 am
      If they think this is the height of our and Brendan's ambition, well, they can go F**k themselves.

      We've got the best manager in the league - everything falls into place after that.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #31: Apr 29, 2014 03:00:57 am
      It's a great chance to win the PL. I am sure there will be others.

      Chelsea: Abramovich wanted glamour an glitz when he took them over. Now he realises the infinite sink of a not greatly supported team, needs to get results to stay solvent. Mourinho is back to but for how long. It won't be like last time. They can't outspend Citeh. If we win or city win this season, is Mourinho's season branded a failure? What then?

      Man City: How much better can they get. It seems teams like them and chelsea, just churn out results on the basis of their deep squads. Hardly inspiring for the players. They have a huge squad now, same next year.

      Arsenal: death throes under Wenger, hanging on for fair play or something to cut them loose. It won't happen.

      Tottenham: If they get Rafa or Klopp or even Martinez; managers who can work with restricted budgets maybe. But they won't get them.

      Everton: Don't have the money.

      Man Utd: Haven't got the money of Chelsea or City, have got a defence needing a major overhaul and are pinning their collective hopes of Louis 'wreck the place' Van Gaal. I think they will struggle.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #32: Apr 29, 2014 03:43:52 am
      This is the way I look at this season.

      We have been the fresh air.

      Maureen and Chelsea are the cancer.

      Man City are the cigarettes.

      Man Utd are the AIDS, used to be a big thing, people got wise.

      We are the fresh air.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #33: Apr 29, 2014 10:52:13 am
      Everyone will spend money.
      But equally everyone may buy a Fellani, a Torres, a Robinho or indeed a Carroll. Certain clubs might spend £100m and have little to show for it.

      Biggest worry for me next season is that we are going to be sending 5-6 English players to the World cup, the majority of whom have been used to taking the summer off. Early season burn out is a risk.
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #34: Apr 29, 2014 10:55:55 am
      l just hope in my life time we win pleague, feel really piss off if we lose league on goal difference, and other teams be lot better nextyear, l feel luis be in real madrid next season, but if we get right players in summer hopeful be up their again nextseason, l feel like it be death in family if we dont win these year, lt hurt so bad, l taught for 96 and things like bit luck were going our way, maybe we never win pleague, anyhow life will go on
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      Re: Everyone thinks this is our BEST chance to win the PL?
      Reply #35: Apr 29, 2014 10:57:42 am
      l understand few players be in world cup, but they wont need prseason so they can get few weeks off after world cup

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