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      Emre Can (Liverpool > Juventus)

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      Re: Emre Can Player Thread
      Reply #1770: Sep 08, 2017 03:32:25 am
      I have been one of Emre's biggest critics and have never understood all the high praise he has received over the years.
      Until this season.
      For all the flaws in a 3 man midfield of him, hendo and Gini, the last few weeks have by and large worked pretty well.
      Yes, the current stagnation in his contract renewal has been poorly handled BUT I see no reason to drop him because Of this and jettison Phil straight back in. Can doesn't dersve to be dropped
      If his issues are playing time then I can kind of see his reasoning for it signing a long term deal yet BUT if it's purely because he wants to head to juventus and end up being Kheidera's longterm replacement, then it's kind of odd.
      I say keep selecting him until he warrants being dropped and allowing the club the opportunity to make their own mind up
      If he was to leave, I wouldn't be terribly disappointed because I think we are more than covered currently and going into 18/19 season.
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      Reply #1771: Sep 08, 2017 02:59:51 pm
      Just get him signed up - who cares about the release clause?

      I get the 'feeder club for Europe' and I would ask, 'hows that worked out for us lately'? We are a feeder club to Barca etal (Masch, Alonso, Suarez and almost Couthino) selling our best players. At least if he has the clause we can reinvest - if we get nothing for him does anyone thing our owners are going to replace him out of their own pocket?

      Sign the lad up, get him playing well and see what happens - way he is going this season he will be in demand. We have to ask, why the hell we are in this situation to be fair - why have we let it run on for so long.
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      Reply #1772: Sep 09, 2017 08:05:56 am
      Ultimately if he wants to stay he will find a solution and sign.
      The club may not want to give him a release clause  (if that's truly what's holding it up) but they certainly wont want him to leave for nothing



      Obviously. As if he should be able to go for f**k all. Major balls up but it's happened and I'd be stunned if they didn't give him the clause at this point.
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      Reply #1773: Sep 09, 2017 11:21:33 am
      Just get him signed up - who cares about the release clause?

      I get the 'feeder club for Europe' and I would ask, 'hows that worked out for us lately'? We are a feeder club to Barca etal (Masch, Alonso, Suarez and almost Couthino) selling our best players. At least if he has the clause we can reinvest - if we get nothing for him does anyone thing our owners are going to replace him out of their own pocket?

      Sign the lad up, get him playing well and see what happens - way he is going this season he will be in demand. We have to ask, why the hell we are in this situation to be fair - why have we let it run on for so long.


      You will when the big clubs around Europe start cherry picking our players each season. Did you see Coutinho sign for Barcalona this Summer? The owners made a stance and said we're the big club and we keep our best players. We sold Sterling but had we been investing in the squad like we are now, he wouldn't have been one of our best players. Suarez was sold to Barcelona I grant you so out of the last decade, we've sold two players to top European clubs. That hardly makes us a feeder club which will will be if every player has a release clause.

      This entire situation is another example of poor planning from the transfer department. Until that's overhauled we're going to continue seeing debacles such as this and Van Dyke.
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      Reply #1774: Sep 09, 2017 11:27:20 am
      Really can't see the problem if the lad wants a release clause built into a new deal, in fact you would have thought the owners would welcome such a move so as to ensure financial reward if Can decided to seek pastures new, how old is he 23 ? so plenty of quality years ahead of him of which we should see the best part of,
      i'd be inclined to put a minimum of £80m on his head and if he develops into the player we all hope, we can increase that figure as time goes on, the important thing is he's our player and a pivotal part of Jürgen's plans, so why sell him on, he's a top player and as recent events have shown we are no longer a selling club, we are building, and building something very special,

      with Naby imminent the quality in midfield will obviously improve, atm tho, its not too strong, with the Ox to come in also we can see that Jürgen is addressing the issues of a weak central area,

      Get this lad signed up asap, and make sure he knows he's a pivotal part of the grand plan, i think we have yet to see the best of him and bringing in players such as Keita will only bring the best out of Can.


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      Re: Emre Can Player Thread
      Reply #1775: Sep 09, 2017 11:27:35 am
      Obviously he watched recent Keita games and he predicted to be bench warmer next year, so he wants escape clause :)
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      Reply #1776: Sep 09, 2017 11:31:24 am
      Really can't see the problem if the lad wants a release clause built into a new deal, in fact you would have thought the owners would welcome such a move so as to ensure financial reward if Can decided to seek pastures new, how old is he 23 ? so plenty of quality years ahead of him of which we should see the best part of,
      i'd be inclined to put a minimum of £80m on his head and if he develops into the player we all hope, we can increase that figure as time goes on, the important thing is he's our player and a pivotal part of Jürgen's plans, so why sell him on, he's a top player and as recent events have shown we are no longer a selling club, we are building, and building something very special,

      with Naby imminent the quality in midfield will obviously improve, atm tho, its not too strong, with the Ox to come in also we can see that Jürgen is addressing the issues of a weak central area,

      Get this lad signed up asap, and make sure he knows he's a pivotal part of the grand plan, i think we have yet to see the best of him and bringing in players such as Keita will only bring the best out of Can.


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      Reply #1777: Sep 09, 2017 12:05:59 pm
      Really can't see the problem if the lad wants a release clause built into a new deal...

      ... i'd be inclined to put a minimum of £80m on his head
      What if he'd be inclined to make it £20m with a 'must sell' caveat Billy?

      I don't know why the "money men" don't want release clauses but my best guess (and only that) is that they are afraid that the price will always be set too low, if the player sets it. The price, not the quality of the player or his importance to the team, having priority with them.

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      Reply #1778: Sep 09, 2017 12:16:12 pm
      I don't know why the "money men" don't want release clauses but my best guess (and only that) is that they are afraid that the price will always be set too low, if the player sets it. The price, not the quality of the player or his importance to the team, having priority.

      Perhaps because of the way fee's are now changing so rapidly. £40/50mill is becoming the price for average players, we signed a bang average player in the final year of his contract for £40mill, that's madness and it wouldn't have happened a few years ago. Neymar 200mill, Mbappe 168mill despite only making his breakthrough 6 months ago and Dembele 130mill this summer alone, 2 of them to the same team so we set say 70/80mill for a players release clause then come the summer, that could be more of a common price like plenty of teams have been demanding 40/50mill this year.

      I remember when the Chavs signed Shevchenko for 30mill and thinking that was a ridiculous amount for him but 10 years later and sub-standard players are going for more than that.
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      Reply #1779: Sep 09, 2017 02:46:58 pm
      For most of that match my preference for a release clause was either a trap door or an ejector seat......
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      Re: Emre Can Player Thread
      Reply #1780: Sep 13, 2017 10:58:56 pm
      Stroll around Emre seems like he can't wait to leave to go to Juventus, let's give him some thinking time about his impending move on the bench.
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      Reply #1781: Sep 13, 2017 11:03:24 pm
      Christ he was utter w*nk tonight. I've seen slugs move with greater urgency than this fella.
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      Reply #1782: Sep 13, 2017 11:05:15 pm
      Stroll around Emre seems like he can't wait to leave to go to Juventus, let's give him some thinking time about his impending move on the bench.

      Funny how Sakho has been easily fcked off even though he wanted to be here but Emre and even Coutinho get a pass when they can't wait to f**k off this club..can't say Jürgen does not have his favourites :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #1783: Sep 13, 2017 11:39:25 pm
      Not good enough anyway. Good luck with him Juve. I preferred Momo Sissoko.
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      Reply #1784: Sep 14, 2017 12:23:56 am
      I think he's genuinely worried about his playing time for next season, rightly so, and that he'll be off to Juventus most likely. He's not worth it to change our policy regarding buy out clauses in contracts. It'll do more bad than good long term if we do allow it.

      If you look at the past two seasons with Klopp, he has only really ever been a starter because of injuries. Klopp's preferred midfield has always been Wijnaldum - Henderson - Lallana. With Henderson's foot problem having been a major issue and Lallana now out again for a few months, I think he has played more than Klopp planned to and that it might have been the plan to let him go anyway?

      We've been linked with so many midfielders during his time here, all midfielders that play the position he plays for us. Klopp has now brought in Alex, I'm assuming as an understudy to Lallana and thus a player for Can's position and next year Keita comes in, also for that position. That leaves us with Coutinho, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Keita, Alex and a few youngsters, Grujic and probably Woodburn for two positions.

      He's obviously a talented player,no denying that. I've defended him on here quite a few times. He has his strong points and he can be very good, but I still don't know wether he's actually a #6 or a #8. He has quite a few glaring weaknesses in his game too to play either position.  I said it in the match thread, his awareness of his surroundings is virtually non-existant. Runners have it so easy against him, he just never tracks them, it's ridiculous. Look back at tonight's 2nd goal, he's way too high up the pitch and he didn't even notice the runner. Henderson then has to try and make up for it and is too late. That awareness is really important if you play as a #6.

      For the #8 spot in our midfield, he just lacks the technical ability to do it. Compare him to Wijnaldum and Lallana and the difference in ability on the ball is clear as day. Both Wijnaldum and Lallana look to play the ball forward as quick as possible in transition. Either by quick one or two touch passing or on the half turn beating their players in one move allowing them to run in that space. Lallana is absolutely brilliant at this. Can needs too many touches on the ball for him ever to be useful in our midfield as a more advanced midfielder. He'll probably look a lot better in a team that offers him more protection and that plays a different system.
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      Reply #1785: Sep 14, 2017 03:57:47 am
      I would honestly not worry about losing him in the summer.
      He really isn't that good.
      A fit lallana, a focussed Coutinho, a hopefully brilliant player in Keita and we will be gold
      Hendo, Gini, Grujic and Woodburn as competition and it all feels better....not great but better.
      Never understood the love in that emre gets THOUGH I will say that he was pretty decent at the start of the season.
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      Reply #1786: Sep 14, 2017 07:09:55 am
      How much a week is he after?
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      Reply #1787: Sep 14, 2017 07:18:55 am

      The same as Lovren :D
      Pretty much sums it all up.
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      Reply #1788: Sep 14, 2017 07:40:44 am
      Not good enough anyway. Good luck with him Juve. I preferred Momo Sissoko.

      Spot on mate.

      Momo understood the principle of "self-sacrifice" for the greater good of a team.

      Emre showing zero evidence of this for most of last season and the start of this. Hugely self indulgent in my opinion.

      Has ability but nowhere near the player he could be and already thinks he is.

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      Reply #1789: Sep 14, 2017 11:51:40 am
      Hopefully Coutinho is up to speed for the weekend as Can seems to have given up.
      Virtually zero tracking of players and just strolling around in midfield.

      Said it before his work off the ball is poor and this has only been exaggerated recently with his mind else where.
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      Reply #1790: Sep 17, 2017 03:31:12 pm
      Defensive liability this lad. Only part of the midfield problem, but his marking from set pieces is shocking and I won't forgive him for bottling the 50/50 before Sevilla's first goal.

      Inconsistent going forward mind, but without a true defensive midfielder in our team that side of his game is getting exposed.

      Serie A will suit him, and us, a lot better.
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      Reply #1791: Sep 17, 2017 04:12:06 pm
      He did ok, however I don't see him playing in a deep role. His best moments were when he was able to go forward, something that shouldn't be coming up too often if he's a DM. Times when we needed him defensively he made a silly foul or let his man get away from him, costing us a goal (along with terrible defending from our centre backs).

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      Reply #1792: Sep 17, 2017 04:27:54 pm
      Defensive liability this lad. Only part of the midfield problem, but his marking from set pieces is shocking and I won't forgive him for bottling the 50/50 before Sevilla's first goal.

      Inconsistent going forward mind, but without a true defensive midfielder in our team that side of his game is getting exposed.

      Serie A will suit him, and us, a lot better.

      I think you're right. He's the biggest part of the midfield issues for me.

      For me he plays for Emre first and Liverpool 2nd.

      That's nowhere near good enough for me - needs to kick on massively.
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      Reply #1793: Sep 18, 2017 01:19:03 am
      I think you're right. He's the biggest part of the midfield issues for me.

      For me he plays for Emre first and Liverpool 2nd.

      That's nowhere near good enough for me - needs to kick on massively.

      Watching him versus Burnley, I see comparisons with Yaya Toure, except nowhere near as good!
      He seems to be box to box,  a big presence but he doesn't provide the magic moment. In that team yesterday he was there to cover the CB and help with the physical side and he didn't. With our team we would be better with specialists like Kante (or Keita whom we are getting). Lucas was a bad loss this year. I seriously think our team needs better DM/CM not necessarily CB's although Klavan and Lovren make a compelling case!
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      Reply #1794: Sep 18, 2017 10:41:24 am
      3 dangerous free kicks he gave away that put us under more defensive pressure then we needed.

      Didn't even need to give the free kick away on any one of those occasions. Use your f**king brain Emre!
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      Reply #1795: Sep 19, 2017 03:38:11 pm
      https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/910139892453269504

      So this guy wants around 150k/week(if that's what Coutinho is on) and a release clause ???
      Now I hope he doesn't sign and fucks off.. he hasn't done anything to warrant those wages, he's been bang average since coming here but acts like a superstar.. imagine him being on more than Mane :-\
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      Reply #1796: Sep 23, 2017 09:24:36 pm
      Not one of Emre's best today, thought he overcomplicated several times, but in saying that wasn't terrible by any means.
      Hit the post with a great shot in the first half, which should've been an assist/turning in by Salah (how did he miss that !?)
      Tough on the 3 lads (Can/Hendo/Gini) cause there really isn't much backup for them, so a lot on their shoulders,
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      Reply #1797: Sep 23, 2017 10:16:11 pm
      The sooner Lallana gets up to speed the better, apart from the shot against the post did nothing apart from giving the ball away usually in dangerous positions just outside our box.
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      Reply #1798: Sep 27, 2017 12:07:24 am
      F***ing twattish performance. Not the first time his dumbfuckery has directly cost us a goal and unlikely to be the last. Christ Emre - keep this up and maybe you'll descend to the sort of atrocious 'worst midfielder performance I've ever seen' type of display you put in at Sunderland back in New Year.

      Maybe he just isn't worth keeping?

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      Reply #1799: Sep 27, 2017 12:32:07 am
      F***ing twattish performance. Not the first time his dumbfuckery has directly cost us a goal and unlikely to be the last. Christ Emre - keep this up and maybe you'll descend to the sort of atrocious 'worst midfielder performance I've ever seen' type of display you put in at Sunderland back in New Year.

      Maybe he just isn't worth keeping?



      Agreed, I've held out hope that he'd produce his best performances consistently but he's so wildly inconsistent and his poor play is too poor to carry. Thought he was one of our worst players again tonight, between him and Wijnaldum (especially away), I just can't wait to get Lallana back.

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