Leave me out of this!!!
Nobody said a word to or about you, so no idea what this is about.
I don't think he is sh*t. He has proven on a number of occasions that he is certainly a capable player. However, he plays for himself a bit too much for most on here. Milner has come out and said that he didn't want to play at LB, but the team required it and he puts the team first. There have been talks of moving Can to permanent defense only to hear of him not wanting to do it, what kind of message does that send to the boys?. I also think he is a tad to slow and knuckle headed for me. His play the last few months outside of the lower CL teams has been erratic at best. His challenge after losing the ball in the Spurs match changed the game completely. We had just scored and started getting forward with pressure. The momentum was swinging in our favor. Then he gives up the free kick and any chance of a point for the club. If we want to be better than we need improvement in personal. If you rate Can highly than cool, more power to ya. He doesn't suck. But I don't want dudes who "don't suck". I want top class players.
Just a few counter points, to show where I stand, and why.
First and foremost, I don't take much notice of what "most people on here say", and what others say certainly has little bearing on my assessment of a player.
Can is actually one of the quickest players in our squad; I know he looks like he's lumbering along, but don't let that fool you, he's pretty quick.
Last season he was carrying an injury pretty much the whole season, and still did well once he moved deeper (less running, there's an interview with him somewhere)
This time round he had no pre-season at all, and if anything he looks a little jaded, after playing a tournament in the summer.
Not excuses, but mitigating factors if you like.
I have no idea where this "he plays for himself" comes from, but I suspect there's a bit of bias due to his contract situation.
That's fair enough (the bias), but I don't see him playing for himself, I see a guy trying to make something happen.
He's 23, he's going to make errors.
Players in their prime make errors as well, and generally, young players make more.
For his age, Can makes fewer errors than most.
Finally, when were these "talks" of him moving into defense? On here? An interview?
It's perfectly acceptable for a player to have a preference as to where he plays, and IMO Can is fine where he is.
A different shape in midfield might benefit him, but he has shown he can play, and play well in any of our 3 midfield positions.
I'm not trying to persuade you; like I said, just some counter points to ponder (or not).