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      Emre Can (Liverpool > Juventus)

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      heimdall
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      Re: Emre Can Player Thread
      Reply #2310: May 22, 2018 09:35:27 am
      Deceptive player, looks slow but covers ground. I think he would have been good under Klopp's system. Maybe he wants to play a different type of football.I don't know but his back injury is a worry, if its kept him out this long. Maybe Serie A is better for him in respect of this injury. who knows.... next!!!

      What do you mean by "I think he would have been good under Klopp's system"? This isn't a player who we missed out on signing but a player who has played under Klopp's system for several seasons and by and large he's only done OK, fairly average. The ONLY thing I'm annoyed about is that we are not getting any money for him, other than that good luck at Juve Emre.
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      Reply #2311: May 22, 2018 10:14:47 am
      We have a replacement in Gruijic. Shame as I liked Emre as could score the odd goal, unfortunately the same can't be said for captain fantastic. Weird decision, presume tied to his ego.

      As is every decision everybody makes - ultimately connected to ego and how we process options / choices etc.

      Like your decision to come into this thread and have a pop at the skipper in the week of a UCL final...... :confused-smiley-013:

      Presumably you thought that woul make you look witty?

      Oh and I think Gruijic is a way off yet and I’m not Emre’s biggest fan :)
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      Reply #2312: May 22, 2018 02:20:07 pm
      Good player but not a huge loss to the squad.

      With Keita's arrival I think Emre would struggle for game time next season anyway.
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      Reply #2313: May 22, 2018 06:32:06 pm
      This whole saga has been weird from start to finish and I find it strange to have an player who has pledged his future to another Club anywhere near our most important game for over a decade.

      Truth is I have never heard him pledge anything except it was not going to be discussed until after the season was over, Klopp brought him  to the training in Spain so if there were any attitude issues I don't think he would of.

      I think we have a situation being handled by both parties in a very mature way..which is rare in football and probably why it seems so strange to all of us.
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      Reply #2314: May 22, 2018 06:39:41 pm
      Truth is I have never heard him pledge anything except it was not going to be discussed until after the season was over, Klopp brought him  to the training in Spain so if there were any attitude issues I don't think he would of.

      I think we have a situation being handled by both parties in a very mature way..which is rare in football and probably why it seems so strange to all of us.

      Not that strange at all.

      I can think of at least two players immediately off the top of my head who never kicked a ball again for the club post Istanbul who I'm sure would have 100% known so in the build up

      This like every thing nowadays people are making a massive deal about

      I actually think Can is staying in this country which is why nothing has been said publically
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      Reply #2315: May 22, 2018 06:41:54 pm
      Not that strange at all.

      I can think of at least two players immediately off the top of my head who never kicked a ball again for the club post Istanbul who I'm sure would have 100% known so in the build up

      This like every thing nowadays people are making a massive deal about

      I actually think Can is staying in this country which is why nothing has been said publically

      I meant strange in the fact that nowadays Sterling, Coutinho etc is the rule vs the exception when it comes to players moving on.

      This one from both the player and the manager has been very adult...which is a good thing.

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      Reply #2316: May 22, 2018 07:17:49 pm
      Truth is I have never heard him pledge anything except it was not going to be discussed until after the season was over, Klopp brought him  to the training in Spain so if there were any attitude issues I don't think he would of.

      I think we have a situation being handled by both parties in a very mature way..which is rare in football and probably why it seems so strange to all of us.

      Quoted for truth. If Can ends up leaving as expected i will hold no grudge against him because all along it has been handled very professionally and he will have fulfilled the contract he signed. If he wants to seek other opportunities he did it the right way.
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      Reply #2317: May 22, 2018 07:20:31 pm
      Deceptive player, looks slow but covers ground. I think he would have been good under Klopp's system. Maybe he wants to play a different type of football.I don't know but his back injury is a worry, if its kept him out this long. Maybe Serie A is better for him in respect of this injury. who knows.... next!!!

      i actually think he is too slow for a proper Klopp team. He lacks acceleration though i like him as a physical presence breaking up place.
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      Reply #2318: May 22, 2018 07:31:41 pm
      i actually think he is too slow for a proper Klopp team. He lacks acceleration though i like him as a physical presence breaking up place.

      You think he's slower than Gundagon, Sahin or Gotze?
      He covers the ground fine.. 
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      Reply #2319: May 22, 2018 08:23:53 pm
      You think he's slower than Gundagon, Sahin or Gotze?
      He covers the ground fine.. 

      You can add Milner to that list too, I wonder how he has been playing in a "proper" Klopp team? ;)
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      Reply #2320: May 22, 2018 09:04:29 pm
      You can add Milner to that list too, I wonder how he has been playing in a "proper" Klopp team? ;)

      Only thing I question with Can when it comes to his agility is his mental agility...playing back at the 6 where you see Jordan take a pass and then one-touch snap it off with a long diagonal, when you watch emre it is take a pass..look up..take another touch look up and then fire it down field. Whereas some just instinctively do it I feel like he has to think about it first before he does it.

      As far a barreling downfield with a ball at his feet Emre is pretty decent once he gets going.
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      Reply #2321: May 22, 2018 09:16:38 pm
      You think he's slower than Gundagon, Sahin or Gotze?
      He covers the ground fine..

      Don't know, never clocked them myself, have you? and why is Gotze in this comparison? he is a very different player than what Can offers.

      And Can's speed may be fine, but his acceleration is that of a freight train. I think we'd be better off with more agile midfielders, but i guess that's why we have Keita coming in and rumored for Fekir. Would need to replace his physicality which i think is very helpful, though. He has a beast in the 4-3 win vs. City earlier in the year out muscling and breaking up play.
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      Reply #2322: May 22, 2018 09:29:47 pm
      Don't know, never clocked them myself, have you?

      No

      I've just watched them and I know they played integral parts in Klopp teams and that simple speed isn't the only quality that the manager looks for

      It's about balance and to say that he's too slow for a Klopp team is simply just the wrong way to look and judge a player
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      Reply #2323: May 22, 2018 09:37:11 pm
      Only thing I question with Can when it comes to his agility is his mental agility...playing back at the 6 where you see Jordan take a pass and then one-touch snap it off with a long diagonal, when you watch emre it is take a pass..look up..take another touch look up and then fire it down field. Whereas some just instinctively do it I feel like he has to think about it first before he does it.

      As far a barreling downfield with a ball at his feet Emre is pretty decent once he gets going.

      For me, that isn't the problem when he plays #6, I actually perfer that from our deepest lying midfielder. Wijnaldum is a great example of how it should be done imo.

      The problem with Emre for me is, he just isn't a very good footballer and limited , pretty much the same bracket as Milner and Hendo. But with the attributes they have, they are just as important as specialists (playmaker and defensive mid).
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      Reply #2324: May 23, 2018 09:31:34 am
      Quoted for truth. If Can ends up leaving as expected i will hold no grudge against him because all along it has been handled very professionally and he will have fulfilled the contract he signed. If he wants to seek other opportunities he did it the right way.
      No he has not been professional, he talked to the media and said he has qualities to play for a very big club.
      In reality, he is already at a very big club and he spent some of time being the sh*tist player at it. He spent quite a while injured too. He's got a big opinion of himself.

      If he said, he would like to move for a fresh challenge where he feels more suited to the football, I would understand that.. but what he said is not okay.

      We got Can on the cheap, he's a bit of a douchebag and he's going because he thinks he is too good for Liverpool.
      We can buy better in the window.
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      Reply #2325: May 23, 2018 09:57:06 am

      he's a bit of a douchebag and he's going because he thinks he is too good for Liverpool.


      Sorry but how do you know this? You're his agent? His mate? He calls you to keep you abreast of his inner feelings?

      Or you're just making sh*t up again, dealing in absolutes and hyperbole?

      May be he agrees with you that's he's not quite good enough to start week in week out for Liverpool and that's what he wants so he's going somewhere he feels he will get that?

      May be he's a young lad from a different culture who ultimately isn't happy living here, doesn't feel ultimately settled and is making a move that will make him happy in his life away from football?

      No don't consider anything else just call him a douchebag and that he's not good enough yet thinks hes better than he is and selfish

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      Reply #2326: May 23, 2018 10:04:33 am
      Sorry but how do you know this? You're his agent? His mate? He calls you to keep you abreast of his inner feelings?

      Or you're just making sh*t up again, dealing in absolutes and hyperbole?

      May be he agrees with you that's he's not quite good enough to start week in week out for Liverpool and that's what he wants so he's going somewhere he feels he will get that?

      May be he's a young lad from a different culture who ultimately isn't happy living here, doesn't feel ultimately settled and is making a move that will make him happy in his life away from football?

      No don't consider anything else just call him a douchebag and that he's not good enough yet thinks hes better than he is and selfish

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      I know what Emre Can thinks about Liverpool. This is a direct quote. No editing.

      "I have the self-confidence to say that my qualities are sufficient to play in a very big club next season"

      I am not the only Liverpool fan that got VERY annoyed to hear such disrespect. If you have your head in the sand and did not see that, I will understand it. Accusing me of making stuff up is simply uncalled for since I have a basis to form an opinion on.

      I don't need to be his agent to get information out of the Echo.
      Out of curiosity, not a dig.. why are you even saying "how do you know this? You're his agent? His mate? He calls you to keep you abreast of his inner feelings?" and accusing me of  making things up when I clearly said he spoke to newspapers
      If you have some issue to take in information I understand that, just wondering if it's something I should consider in future replies. Not a dig. I suspect some difficulty in understanding since I clearly said my opinion was based on what Emre Can said to newspapers.

      I will break down Cans qoute

      "I have the self-confidence to say that my qualities are sufficient to play in a very big club next season"

      next season he would like to play for a very big club. He did not say another very big club and with saying he has confidence to, it sounds like he thinks he is ready for a step up.
      It's like working as an assistant and saying, "I have the confidence to be a full manager".
      Therefore, he feels he can play for a better club than Liverpool.

      Like I said, I have no problem with him moving on, but I have a problem with him publicly disrespecting us.
      I he thinks Juventus is a bigger club, he should keep that in his head.
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      Reply #2327: May 23, 2018 10:15:34 am
      I know what Emre Can thinks about Liverpool. This is a direct quote. No editing.

      "I have the self-confidence to say that my qualities are sufficient to play in a very big club next season"

      I am not the only Liverpool fan that got VERY annoyed to hear such disrespect. If you have your head in the sand and did not see that, I will understand it. Accusing me of making stuff up is simply uncalled for since I have a basis to form an opinion on.

      I don't need to be his agent to get information out of the Echo.
      Out of curiosity, not a dig.. why are you even saying "Who do you think you are? his agent blah blah and accusing me of  making things up when I clearly said he spoke to newspapers
      If you have some issue to take in information I understand that, just wondering if it's something I should consider in future replies. Not a dig.

      You called him a douchebag who thinks hes too good to play for Liverpool where that is absolutely 100% not in that quote

      So yeah I was asking you if you had inside information

      Seems not and that you are just making up stuff from one quote to a newspaper and then speaking with absolute confidence on the subject

      You do not know 1% of what's going on so you can't speak in absolutes

      Not difficult

      How do you that he has spoken t9 the manager and asked for guarantees on his position next season which the manager won't give him? And he wants to play regular football? But he can't be guaranteed that.. but that is being told to him from another (top) club? The money to most extremes is probably a side note at the level they're at and playing regular is probably more of an Incentive

      So how do you know that the manager had said to him, you will get games but no guarantee
      But Hendo is my captain and I rate him for the 6.. Naby is coming in.. then there's Milner, Lallana, Gini (possibly Fekir)
      So no guarantees

      So Can being told by say Juve

      Yeah you will start Here, Khedera is getting on and we see you as the man to take over from him

      So he says

      Yeah I have the self confidence to start at a big club

      As him thinking he's too good for Liverpool?

      You don't need to be his agent to get the information out of the echo but you need a brain to interpret  it and not a closed mind to think more than one way about it and in absolutes and hyperbole
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      Reply #2328: May 23, 2018 10:39:42 am
      I don’t think Can has done anything wrong or dis respected the club.
      He could have signed a pre contract in January if he wanted.

      So the club has been given enough time to convince him to stay.

      If he leaves, with his skill set he is one who can be relatively easily replaced so not too fussed either way.
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      Reply #2329: May 23, 2018 10:44:55 am
      From the responses it seems people have a different interpretation of;

      "I have the self-confidence to say that my qualities are sufficient to play in a very big club next season"

      Regardless what conversations were backstage, this is the quote we have seen.
      I'd be interested in what other people make of this sentence.
      If there are any alternate meanings, perhaps I have personally overlooked something here.
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      Reply #2330: May 23, 2018 10:48:18 am
      From the responses it seems people have a different interpretation of;

      "I have the self-confidence to say that my qualities are sufficient to play in a very big club next season"

      Regardless what conversations were backstage, this is the quote we have seen.
      I'd be interested in what other people make of this sentence.
      If there are any alternate meanings, perhaps I have personally overlooked something here.

      Do you have children?

      If you do or when you do I really hope beyond hope that you teach them to look at things with an open mind rather than a closed one

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      Reply #2331: May 23, 2018 10:52:27 am
      From the responses it seems people have a different interpretation of;

      "I have the self-confidence to say that my qualities are sufficient to play in a very big club next season"

      Regardless what conversations were backstage, this is the quote we have seen.
      I'd be interested in what other people make of this sentence.
      If there are any alternate meanings, perhaps I have personally overlooked something here.

      He has confidence in playing at a big club?
      You would think he would have belief in his ability.

      You are coming at it as a LFC fan, Emre is not a a life long Red and sees Juve or whoever as big as LFC.

      Footballers unless it’s their home town club don’t have the loyalties you or I would to the team we support.....simple.

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      Reply #2332: May 23, 2018 12:00:25 pm
      No he has not been professional, he talked to the media and said he has qualities to play for a very big club.
      In reality, he is already at a very big club and he spent some of time being the sh*tist player at it. He spent quite a while injured too. He's got a big opinion of himself.

      If he said, he would like to move for a fresh challenge where he feels more suited to the football, I would understand that.. but what he said is not okay.

      We got Can on the cheap, he's a bit of a douchebag and he's going because he thinks he is too good for Liverpool.
      We can buy better in the window.

      Do you have children?

      If you do or when you do I really hope beyond hope that you teach them to look at things with an open mind rather than a closed one



      And do you have a mirror?
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      Reply #2333: May 23, 2018 12:02:21 pm

      A mirror?

      Go on..
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      Reply #2334: May 23, 2018 12:05:16 pm
      He has confidence in playing at a big club?
      You would think he would have belief in his ability.

      You are coming at it as a LFC fan, Emre is not a a life long Red and sees Juve or whoever as big as LFC.

      Footballers unless it’s their home town club don’t have the loyalties you or I would to the team we support.....simple.
      You see this is where I understood his quote differently, from what it felt like, he was coming across as he isn't at a big club yet but he could be next season. I am not alone in this view, it got wide spread condemnation when it was said, Emre never came out to clarify what he actually meant if he didn't mean that.
      I am not saying I have all the answers, but there is a real possibility Emre just thinks we aren't a "very big club".
      I don't have a problem with him thinking that if he believes it, but I do have a problem with our players saying that.
      To me it is worse than Sakho on snapchat, but this is my opinion only.

      I think the problem here is people are treating Emere on how they want him to be and not how he really could be.
      On Merit, he's been quiet other that his snide remark about us that he never apologised or clarified.
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      Reply #2335: May 23, 2018 12:10:28 pm

      To me it is worse than Sakho on snapchat, but this is my opinion only.

      Same thing?

      Tell me how you're comparing the two please
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      Reply #2336: May 23, 2018 12:12:13 pm
      Ok so here you are saying what Emre said is equally as bad as what Sakho said, yet you fully condemned Sakho but you gave Emre a free pass? Why?
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      Reply #2337: May 23, 2018 12:14:17 pm
      Ok so here you are saying what Emre said is equally as bad as what Sakho said, yet you fully condemned Sakho but you gave Emre a free pass? Why?

      Where am I?

      Im asking you how you are comparing the two
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      Reply #2338: May 23, 2018 12:19:05 pm
      Where am I?

      Im asking you how you are comparing the two
      Sakho, posted on Snapchat that he was annoyed at being frozen out the first team because Klopp said he is not fit enough. Dig at Klopp. Gone.
      Emre Can tweeted he feels good enough to take a step up from Liverpool, in enough words.

      To me it is comparing bad against bad, so... it really is comparable in my opinion.
      We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, you clearly think he is untarnished but I didn't appreciate his comments.
      Regardless, we'll be fine without him and this is probably why fans have no hard feelings.
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      Reply #2339: May 23, 2018 12:21:32 pm
      Sakho, posted on Snapchat that he was annoyed at being frozen out the first team because Klopp said he is not fit enough. Dig at Klopp. Gone.
      Emre Can tweeted he feels good enough to take a step up from Liverpool, in enough words.

      To me it is comparing bad against bad, so... it really is comparable in my opinion.

      But that's not why Klopp got rid of Sakho

      There was far more to it. The two aren't comparable

      What are you on about I think he's untarnished ?

      I haven't  made comment on it. I was simply questioning your implicit view on it

      You saying that he thinks he's too big for Liverpool and he's a douchebag etc etc etc

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