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      Emre Can (Liverpool > Juventus)

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      Shabs
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      Re: Emre Can Player Thread
      Reply #2300: May 17, 2018 06:33:04 pm
      He want's to play every game, he wants a team built around him...not going to happen here.

      You sure mate?..

      I don't think he's asking for the above other than a buyout clause in his contract...

      If Can wanted out he could have signed with Juve Jan onwards..Still hope he stays..
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      Reply #2301: May 17, 2018 06:51:38 pm
      You sure mate?..

      I don't think he's asking for the above other than a buyout clause in his contract...

      If Can wanted out he could have signed with Juve Jan onwards..Still hope he stays..

      I think they are making an offer he can't refuse, I also think he hasn't signed yet because 1.) a bit unsure 2.) not disrupting his current team...which I think is the right way to act, hence saying f**k of Emre will not come out of my mouth.

      I'd rather he stay, gives us options....he has a unique build and set of football skills; that being said to me his mind and reactions are just a bit behind what we are doing (that's how i see him)

      Hope he stays but if he goes then I think both parties will end up being just fine.
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      Reply #2302: May 17, 2018 10:05:45 pm
      If that is true isn't that more or less what he's on now with us isn't it, in which case why on earth does he want to leave?

      Because hes a cock?
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      Reply #2303: May 17, 2018 10:13:23 pm
      Thought it was a release clause that was stopping him from signing. He's always been pretty much a regular for Klopp, even when he's been shocking, more often than not he's stayed in the team so I can't see the reason for going there as more playing time, he's captained us hasn't he. Klopp wants him to stay so I can't see it being anything other than for the release clause, which if he wants one of them then he isn't exactly fully committed to us if he wants an assurance he can leave at some point.

      Might be taking a lower wage than what was on offer here, I'm sure the nice big signing bonus will more than balance that out though.
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      Reply #2304: May 18, 2018 07:25:24 pm
      At this point I would not offer Emre a contract. People who say he is worth 40m and that is simply not true, he is worth about 25m. He has not grew much here, he's stagnating and won't get much better. He refused to sign a contract so needs binning off. He doesn't merit 5 million a year in wages. Would we pay 40m for Emre Can from another club? Not at all.
      Henderson is on his level and he is the minimum standard we can accept here and Henderson has a good attitude, so this one is an easy decision. In a few years, he will be at a club around West Hams level.

      He can stay away from the final, no doubt he'd mess up and leave.
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      Reply #2305: May 21, 2018 05:25:27 pm
      https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/21/emre-can-to-move-from-liverpool-to-juventus-on-five-year-contract?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

      Well that’s curtains for him at LFC, I’ll probably never understand it but best of luck to him. He enfuriated me at times and then picks himself up again with a touch of class. As others have said, not a key player for us but a damned fine squad player and I hope we replace him with somebody better.
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      Reply #2306: May 21, 2018 09:18:15 pm
      Regardless of his contract situation and whether he leaves the club its a real bonus if he is back training and potentially available for Saturday. I can't imagine he could be fit to contribute for more than 30 minutes but given the poor state of our bench just having a Can and a Lallana in reserve should the game got to extra time could make all the difference.
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      Reply #2307: May 22, 2018 01:47:01 am
      We have a replacement in Gruijic. Shame as I liked Emre as could score the odd goal, unfortunately the same can't be said for captain fantastic. Weird decision, presume tied to his ego.
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      Reply #2308: May 22, 2018 05:08:01 am
      Deceptive player, looks slow but covers ground. I think he would have been good under Klopp's system. Maybe he wants to play a different type of football.I don't know but his back injury is a worry, if its kept him out this long. Maybe Serie A is better for him in respect of this injury. who knows.... next!!!
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      Reply #2309: May 22, 2018 09:16:52 am
      This whole saga has been weird from start to finish and I find it strange to have an player who has pledged his future to another Club anywhere near our most important game for over a decade.
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      Reply #2310: May 22, 2018 09:35:27 am
      Deceptive player, looks slow but covers ground. I think he would have been good under Klopp's system. Maybe he wants to play a different type of football.I don't know but his back injury is a worry, if its kept him out this long. Maybe Serie A is better for him in respect of this injury. who knows.... next!!!

      What do you mean by "I think he would have been good under Klopp's system"? This isn't a player who we missed out on signing but a player who has played under Klopp's system for several seasons and by and large he's only done OK, fairly average. The ONLY thing I'm annoyed about is that we are not getting any money for him, other than that good luck at Juve Emre.
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      Reply #2311: May 22, 2018 10:14:47 am
      We have a replacement in Gruijic. Shame as I liked Emre as could score the odd goal, unfortunately the same can't be said for captain fantastic. Weird decision, presume tied to his ego.

      As is every decision everybody makes - ultimately connected to ego and how we process options / choices etc.

      Like your decision to come into this thread and have a pop at the skipper in the week of a UCL final...... :confused-smiley-013:

      Presumably you thought that woul make you look witty?

      Oh and I think Gruijic is a way off yet and I’m not Emre’s biggest fan :)
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      Reply #2312: May 22, 2018 02:20:07 pm
      Good player but not a huge loss to the squad.

      With Keita's arrival I think Emre would struggle for game time next season anyway.
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      Reply #2313: May 22, 2018 06:32:06 pm
      This whole saga has been weird from start to finish and I find it strange to have an player who has pledged his future to another Club anywhere near our most important game for over a decade.

      Truth is I have never heard him pledge anything except it was not going to be discussed until after the season was over, Klopp brought him  to the training in Spain so if there were any attitude issues I don't think he would of.

      I think we have a situation being handled by both parties in a very mature way..which is rare in football and probably why it seems so strange to all of us.
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      Reply #2314: May 22, 2018 06:39:41 pm
      Truth is I have never heard him pledge anything except it was not going to be discussed until after the season was over, Klopp brought him  to the training in Spain so if there were any attitude issues I don't think he would of.

      I think we have a situation being handled by both parties in a very mature way..which is rare in football and probably why it seems so strange to all of us.

      Not that strange at all.

      I can think of at least two players immediately off the top of my head who never kicked a ball again for the club post Istanbul who I'm sure would have 100% known so in the build up

      This like every thing nowadays people are making a massive deal about

      I actually think Can is staying in this country which is why nothing has been said publically
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      Reply #2315: May 22, 2018 06:41:54 pm
      Not that strange at all.

      I can think of at least two players immediately off the top of my head who never kicked a ball again for the club post Istanbul who I'm sure would have 100% known so in the build up

      This like every thing nowadays people are making a massive deal about

      I actually think Can is staying in this country which is why nothing has been said publically

      I meant strange in the fact that nowadays Sterling, Coutinho etc is the rule vs the exception when it comes to players moving on.

      This one from both the player and the manager has been very adult...which is a good thing.

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      Reply #2316: May 22, 2018 07:17:49 pm
      Truth is I have never heard him pledge anything except it was not going to be discussed until after the season was over, Klopp brought him  to the training in Spain so if there were any attitude issues I don't think he would of.

      I think we have a situation being handled by both parties in a very mature way..which is rare in football and probably why it seems so strange to all of us.

      Quoted for truth. If Can ends up leaving as expected i will hold no grudge against him because all along it has been handled very professionally and he will have fulfilled the contract he signed. If he wants to seek other opportunities he did it the right way.
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      Reply #2317: May 22, 2018 07:20:31 pm
      Deceptive player, looks slow but covers ground. I think he would have been good under Klopp's system. Maybe he wants to play a different type of football.I don't know but his back injury is a worry, if its kept him out this long. Maybe Serie A is better for him in respect of this injury. who knows.... next!!!

      i actually think he is too slow for a proper Klopp team. He lacks acceleration though i like him as a physical presence breaking up place.
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      Reply #2318: May 22, 2018 07:31:41 pm
      i actually think he is too slow for a proper Klopp team. He lacks acceleration though i like him as a physical presence breaking up place.

      You think he's slower than Gundagon, Sahin or Gotze?
      He covers the ground fine.. 
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      Reply #2319: May 22, 2018 08:23:53 pm
      You think he's slower than Gundagon, Sahin or Gotze?
      He covers the ground fine.. 

      You can add Milner to that list too, I wonder how he has been playing in a "proper" Klopp team? ;)
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      Reply #2320: May 22, 2018 09:04:29 pm
      You can add Milner to that list too, I wonder how he has been playing in a "proper" Klopp team? ;)

      Only thing I question with Can when it comes to his agility is his mental agility...playing back at the 6 where you see Jordan take a pass and then one-touch snap it off with a long diagonal, when you watch emre it is take a pass..look up..take another touch look up and then fire it down field. Whereas some just instinctively do it I feel like he has to think about it first before he does it.

      As far a barreling downfield with a ball at his feet Emre is pretty decent once he gets going.
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      Reply #2321: May 22, 2018 09:16:38 pm
      You think he's slower than Gundagon, Sahin or Gotze?
      He covers the ground fine..

      Don't know, never clocked them myself, have you? and why is Gotze in this comparison? he is a very different player than what Can offers.

      And Can's speed may be fine, but his acceleration is that of a freight train. I think we'd be better off with more agile midfielders, but i guess that's why we have Keita coming in and rumored for Fekir. Would need to replace his physicality which i think is very helpful, though. He has a beast in the 4-3 win vs. City earlier in the year out muscling and breaking up play.
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      Reply #2322: May 22, 2018 09:29:47 pm
      Don't know, never clocked them myself, have you?

      No

      I've just watched them and I know they played integral parts in Klopp teams and that simple speed isn't the only quality that the manager looks for

      It's about balance and to say that he's too slow for a Klopp team is simply just the wrong way to look and judge a player
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      Reply #2323: May 22, 2018 09:37:11 pm
      Only thing I question with Can when it comes to his agility is his mental agility...playing back at the 6 where you see Jordan take a pass and then one-touch snap it off with a long diagonal, when you watch emre it is take a pass..look up..take another touch look up and then fire it down field. Whereas some just instinctively do it I feel like he has to think about it first before he does it.

      As far a barreling downfield with a ball at his feet Emre is pretty decent once he gets going.

      For me, that isn't the problem when he plays #6, I actually perfer that from our deepest lying midfielder. Wijnaldum is a great example of how it should be done imo.

      The problem with Emre for me is, he just isn't a very good footballer and limited , pretty much the same bracket as Milner and Hendo. But with the attributes they have, they are just as important as specialists (playmaker and defensive mid).
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      Reply #2324: May 23, 2018 09:31:34 am
      Quoted for truth. If Can ends up leaving as expected i will hold no grudge against him because all along it has been handled very professionally and he will have fulfilled the contract he signed. If he wants to seek other opportunities he did it the right way.
      No he has not been professional, he talked to the media and said he has qualities to play for a very big club.
      In reality, he is already at a very big club and he spent some of time being the sh*tist player at it. He spent quite a while injured too. He's got a big opinion of himself.

      If he said, he would like to move for a fresh challenge where he feels more suited to the football, I would understand that.. but what he said is not okay.

      We got Can on the cheap, he's a bit of a douchebag and he's going because he thinks he is too good for Liverpool.
      We can buy better in the window.
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