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      Reslivo
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #23: Jul 14, 2014 12:40:06 pm
      Yes it did. Every team in the world strengthens its first eleven each and every Summer. You add depth by relegating those players displaced by new signings to squad player status. If teams didn't need to strengthen each and every Summer then there wouldn't be near the amount of movement there is each year.

      Perspective - our first XI was blitzing pretty much every team in the League. Our bench, however, was lacking severely in quality.

      Which to you needs strengthening?
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      Reply #24: Jul 14, 2014 12:46:11 pm
      Perspective - our first XI was blitzing pretty much every team in the League. Our bench, however, was lacking severely in quality.

      Which to you needs strengthening?

      Pretty simple answer - first XI. You improve that and resign last season starters to the bench. With our amount of money, you should be looking to improve the first XI regardless. Look at Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Barcelona - always attempting to improve their first XI. They are successful teams, are they not?
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      Reply #25: Jul 14, 2014 12:48:22 pm
      Perspective - our first XI was blitzing pretty much every team in the League. Our bench, however, was lacking severely in quality.

      Which to you needs strengthening?

      There's no right or wrong answer to that though is there?

      Both sides of the argument could be happily sided with

      The thought that you bring players in even better than your first 11 and therefore either have them wait on a chance to push themselves in the side and push some of last seasons players to the bench, therefore making the bench and squad stronger..

      Or

      You bring players in simply to strengthen your bench who you don't deem better than what you already have in the first 11 but better than you had as squad options

      You could argue that the first point would immediately improve you but also could cause disharmony to the squad that players who thought themselves as prime to be in the first 11 are shoved into the fringes more

      You could argue the second point doesn't really bring players in who are really going to either push the established players or improve the 11.

      There's points on both sides that make sense neither is right not wrong.

      I personally think like with everything a mix of the two would work best
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      Reply #26: Jul 14, 2014 12:53:25 pm
      Perspective - our first XI was blitzing pretty much every team in the League. Our bench, however, was lacking severely in quality.

      Which to you needs strengthening?
      Defence since Johnson and Flannagan aren't mouth watering fullbacks. Our defence cost us the league in my opinion. That is just my two pennies on the subject.
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      Reply #27: Jul 14, 2014 12:54:46 pm
      . That is just my two pennies on the subject.

      Cheers

      Let me just get your change
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #28: Jul 14, 2014 01:18:13 pm
      Perspective - our first XI was blitzing pretty much every team in the League. Our bench, however, was lacking severely in quality.

      Which to you needs strengthening?

      Strengthen the starting 11 and the bench then gets strengthened at the same time. Also, we have no Suarez and our defence was a shambles so there's places in the starting 11 that need improving.
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #29: Jul 14, 2014 01:28:43 pm

      Bwahahahahahahaha! :lmao:
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #30: Jul 14, 2014 01:58:39 pm
      Perspective - our first XI was blitzing pretty much every team in the League. Our bench, however, was lacking severely in quality.

      Which to you needs strengthening?

      Everything because everyone is strengthening so everyone has to strengthen proportionally to each other or be left behind. It's the natural order of things.
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #31: Jul 14, 2014 02:00:48 pm
      Jay Rod?

      Clearly world class, but doesn't suit our current needs.
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      Reply #32: Jul 14, 2014 02:32:05 pm
      The sad thing is that we're spending world class money on just above average players.

      Which 'average' players have we spent 'World Class' money on then?


      *Waits patiently on Ripu's response*
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #33: Jul 14, 2014 02:41:09 pm
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      Reply #34: Jul 14, 2014 02:51:14 pm

      *Waits patiently on Ripu's response*
      Lallana who cost 25m could be average in a good side. For your information 25m is the fee Chelsea paid for Fabrigas. Fabrigas can be standout in any side. Don't get me wrong, Lallana isn't a bad player but I have not been impressed in the lack of interest in targets that can take us to the next level. It has emerged we have no interest in Reus, but instead Rodriguez and Bony etc... from middle table sides. If we knew Suarez would be going this summer and that is why we got Suarez on a higher buyout clause, why did we sign Lambert. Why not show interest in  Falcao or get a deal in principle with Sanchez  etc... The next thing to happen will be teams coming in for Coutinho, Sterling and we look to replace them with players from more mid table sides. If you keep getting players from mid table sides you become a mid table side. Downing, Carrol... etc stand out in these sides but did they going to match the standard at LFC? I certainly wouldn't have paid big money on players that have not proved they can be valuble to a top team. If we go by that we could sign players that perform against big teams in the FA cup that don't even play in the PL. That doesn't mean they will fit into Liverpool.
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #35: Jul 14, 2014 02:54:10 pm
      Lallana who cost 25m could be average in a good side. For your information 25m is the fee Chelsea paid for Fabrigas. Fabrigas can be standout in any side. Don't get me wrong, Lallana isn't a bad player but I have not been impressed in the lack of interest in targets that can take us to the next level. It has emerged we have no interest in Reus, but instead Rodriguez and Bony etc... from middle table sides. If we knew Suarez would be going this summer and that is why we got Suarez on a higher buyout clause, why did we sign Lambert. Why not show interest in  Falcao or get a deal in principle with Sanchez  etc... The next thing to happen will be teams coming in for Coutinho, Sterling and we look to replace them with players from more mid table sides. If you keep getting players from mid table sides you become a mid table side. Downing, Carrol... etc stand out in these sides but are they going to match the standard at LFC? I certainly wouldn't have paid big money on players that have not proved they can be valuble to a top team. If we go by that we could sign players that perform against big teams in the FA that don't even play in the PL. That doesn't mean they will fit into Liverpool.

      So your only evidence of spending 'World Class' money on 'average' players is the £25M we didn't spend on Lallana.

      I've missed debating with you over the last week or so Ripu.

      Always good for a laugh.

      And by the way you still spell his name Fabregas.

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      Reply #36: Jul 14, 2014 03:07:20 pm
      So your only evidence of spending 'World Class' money on 'average' players is the £25M we didn't spend on Lallana.

      I've missed debating with you over the last week or so Ripu.

      Always good for a laugh.

      And by the way you still spell his name Fabregas.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27647888
      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/01/adam-lallana-move-southampton-liverpool
      http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/-spieler-gt-person-gt-getanzeigename-/transfers/spieler/43530/transfer_id/1076817
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2676296/Adam-Lallana-poses-Liverpool-shirt-completing-25m-Anfield-move.html
      http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-confirm-lallana-capture-14070199297
      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/386752/Liverpool-Adam-Lallana-Southampton

      In fact, I can't find a single link that doesn't say he signed for around £25 million. So how much did we pay if all these sources are wrong?

      It's clear that so far this Summer, this forum has developed two camps: Those of us who want experienced, World class players and those of us who are perfectly content with the mid-table and future prospect signings we've made so far who have never competed at the highest levels. Since it's obvious which camp I'm in, without trying to cause an argument here, I'm interested to understand why it is you think the level of player we're targeting so far is right for us? I would like to understand your point of view.
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      Reply #37: Jul 14, 2014 03:23:45 pm
      Fabregas cost is around £30m, plus future benefits that could make it higher.

      And the problem is that, even tough we did a great job last season, we are not on a level that the world class player would want to join us. It will take another few seasons to earn that.

      So, for now, we can hope that one of them would be interested in joining Liverpool, but we will have to look to "lower" markets in order to sign talents.
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      Reply #38: Jul 14, 2014 03:27:21 pm
      I'm interested to understand why it is you think the level of player we're targeting so far is right for us? I would like to understand your point of view.

      Because we went from 7th to 2nd in the league without buying a bench-load of "world class" players?
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #39: Jul 14, 2014 03:38:46 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27647888
      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/01/adam-lallana-move-southampton-liverpool
      http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/-spieler-gt-person-gt-getanzeigename-/transfers/spieler/43530/transfer_id/1076817
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2676296/Adam-Lallana-poses-Liverpool-shirt-completing-25m-Anfield-move.html
      http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-confirm-lallana-capture-14070199297
      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/386752/Liverpool-Adam-Lallana-Southampton

      In fact, I can't find a single link that doesn't say he signed for around £25 million. So how much did we pay if all these sources are wrong?

      It's clear that so far this Summer, this forum has developed two camps: Those of us who want experienced, World class players and those of us who are perfectly content with the mid-table and future prospect signings we've made so far who have never competed at the highest levels. Since it's obvious which camp I'm in, without trying to cause an argument here, I'm interested to understand why it is you think the level of player we're targeting so far is right for us? I would like to understand your point of view.

      I guess it's the same point of view shared by our manager who seems to know what he's doing so far. It's obvious to the even the most casual LFC supporters we need much more depth in the squad to be competitive this season. How exactly would blowing our entire budget on 2/3 "world class players" help us achieve this? And before you say Lallana cost £25 million (even though it's actually £18 million rising to £23m) remember Fabregas is on over twice the salary. We do not have mega rich owners so need to spread our budget wisely not spend it to appease fantasy football supporters.
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      Reply #40: Jul 14, 2014 03:44:27 pm
      Defence since Johnson and Flannagan aren't mouth watering fullbacks. Our defence cost us the league in my opinion. That is just my two pennies on the subject.

      Granted I agree about Johnson, but you're so wide of the mark about Flanno, 'mouth watering' what shithouse talk is that.

      He's a local lad trying to make it at his local club, who happened to be our best full-back last season. Get a F***ing grip!

      And as for the actual story, lad's out injured yet were monitoring him, is that the crux of it?

      Utter sh*te then, we've got £75 million to burn so I'm sure we'll be getting linked to every Tom, Dick and Harry!





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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #41: Jul 14, 2014 03:53:06 pm
      Granted I agree about Johnson, but you're so wide of the mark about Flanno, 'mouth watering' what shithouse talk is that.

      He's a local lad trying to make it at his local club, who happened to be our best full-back last season. Get a f**king grip!

      And as for the actual story, lad's out injured yet were monitoring him, is that the crux of it?

      Utter sh*te then, we've got £75 million to burn so I'm sure we'll be getting linked to every Tom, Dick and Harry!
      Johnson shouldn't be in our team. Flannagan is good enough but not starting 11. Just my opinion.
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      Reply #42: Jul 14, 2014 04:01:18 pm
      Johnson shouldn't be in our team. Flannagan is good enough but not starting 11. Just my opinion.

      As I said I agree about Johnson, but Flanagan should start the season for me, deserves it after last season.
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      Reply #43: Jul 14, 2014 04:04:55 pm
      Why don't we just buy Southampton!!!!. Ha ha.
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      Re: Jay Rodriguez (Southampton)
      Reply #44: Jul 14, 2014 04:19:21 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27647888
      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/01/adam-lallana-move-southampton-liverpool
      http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/-spieler-gt-person-gt-getanzeigename-/transfers/spieler/43530/transfer_id/1076817
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2676296/Adam-Lallana-poses-Liverpool-shirt-completing-25m-Anfield-move.html
      http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-confirm-lallana-capture-14070199297
      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/386752/Liverpool-Adam-Lallana-Southampton

      In fact, I can't find a single link that doesn't say he signed for around £25 million. So how much did we pay if all these sources are wrong?

      It's clear that so far this Summer, this forum has developed two camps: Those of us who want experienced, World class players and those of us who are perfectly content with the mid-table and future prospect signings we've made so far who have never competed at the highest levels. Since it's obvious which camp I'm in, without trying to cause an argument here, I'm interested to understand why it is you think the level of player we're targeting so far is right for us? I would like to understand your point of view.

      I was responding to a poster claiming we are spending big money on average players which simply isn't true so far this summer.

      My point of view always has been that I want the club to allow the manager to get the players he feels he needs not the one's I think we should be buying.
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      Reply #45: Jul 14, 2014 04:27:33 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27647888
      http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/01/adam-lallana-move-southampton-liverpool
      http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/-spieler-gt-person-gt-getanzeigename-/transfers/spieler/43530/transfer_id/1076817
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2676296/Adam-Lallana-poses-Liverpool-shirt-completing-25m-Anfield-move.html
      http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-confirm-lallana-capture-14070199297
      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/386752/Liverpool-Adam-Lallana-Southampton

      In fact, I can't find a single link that doesn't say he signed for around £25 million. So how much did we pay if all these sources are wrong?

      It's clear that so far this Summer, this forum has developed two camps: Those of us who want experienced, World class players and those of us who are perfectly content with the mid-table and future prospect signings we've made so far who have never competed at the highest levels. Since it's obvious which camp I'm in, without trying to cause an argument here, I'm interested to understand why it is you think the level of player we're targeting so far is right for us? I would like to understand your point of view.

      JD & LFC Reds are reporting 18 million + add-on up to 23 million.

      In 3.5 years here I don't ever remember the numbers he posted as being off the mark, so why don't you ask him.

      http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,46063.0.html

      Add-on's are a wash imo in that every club including us toss add-on's into contracts.

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