A message to Sky, the media and this generation

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Were teams seeded and protected from other big guns in the early rounds,of the original European Cup?

Or was it you get who you get?

You get who you were given. Every contender a league champion.

Sir Bob to me, has been for ages. Bloke was an absolute hero to me. I really don't need some toff's telling me to call him Sir or not. I do see why people want him knighted though, obviously. Personally I'm just not bothered about any Knighthoods. I really don't get why people think the media & Sth in particular are in anyway anti Paisley??? Yes, they pander to the team that the bandwagon jumpers want them too, but I have never seen anything but praise for Sir Bob & that great team. As for Fergie.... Hmmmm, its hard to admit but he must go down as one of the best managers the game has ever seen, let alone this country. He took Utd from a pretty bad place to one of the worlds best teams in 10 years & then kept them their for another decade.

As far as the Champs League being easier to win, it's quite obviously not. Look at the depth & what teams are in it now compared to days gone by. Like I said, the Europa is easier to win than the old UEFA cup as well. Yes, you might get a chance in the group stage, on the whole that means the better teams get through & then fight it out in the knockout stages like days gone by. You normally get the best 8 teams in the last 8 of the Champs League. That never, ever used to happen in the old European Cup. NEVER, it NEVER happened. FACT

Come on now. Yes he's the manager of the enemy, but give respect where it's due. Fact of the matter is, for the last however many years, he has been the best manager in football. His success speaks for itself. Simple as that. As usual there are far too many who cannot stand to give him his dues. Yes, it is a real shame that the legend that was Bob Paisley seems to not get the recognition he deserves from the media. But if you take the fact that even Fergies personal goal is to emulate what Mr Paisley managed to achieve, then surely that speaks volumes?

Personally I don't think it matters what we do in terms of trying to change Sky's and the London prawn sandwich munching media mafia's opinion of things.

The simple fact of the matter is they will promote the most successful club at any given time because it sells papers and subscriptions.

What we need to do is stick to what we are best at, educate the new generation of the Liverpool family and make sure they know our history, beliefs and the Liverpool way.

The way to get the Liverpool greats back in the headlines and get their recognition both new & old is to perform on the pitch and start to win Trophies, if we can achieve that then the Media whether its Sky TV or the London Media will start to draw comparisons between the Liverpool of today and the Liverpool of Yesteryear for the simple reason it sells column inches and subscriptions.

Fantastic. Very well said

As far as the Champs League being easier to win, it's quite obviously not.

No, it quite easily is.

Lets give you a one in four chance of qualifying to begin with.
Lets then give you a seeding system meaning you're going to avoid any real big sides.
Lets then give you a country protection rule as well just to ensure you don't face any of the better sides in the second batch.
Lets then give you six games against the mighty Panathiakos, Rangers and Ruben Kazan.
Lets then in the next round, still not give you a straight knockout but instead runners up of groups.
Lets then continue with the country protection theme just to ensure no potential banana skin.
Lets then finally scrap all that and go to a straight knockout by which time we've got all the big money clubs in therefore more money for UEFA and television companies.

Whereas when the European Cup was actually a difficult competition to win you had to;
Firstly win your own League.
Face whoever the F**k you got from round 1 regardless of their reputation or which country the club was from.
Start from round 1 in a straight two legged knockout affair.

Also back then things called tackles were allowed. Pitches weren't the carpets they are now but instead mud baths. Players weren't super fit human beings. Traveling was an issue because it wasn't so easy to just pop over to Spain within a few hours but instead took F***ing days, so fatigue played a much bigger part.

Quite simply, the Champions League is a lot easier to win than the old European Cup ever was.

Come on now. Yes he's the manager of the enemy, but give respect where it's due. Fact of the matter is, for the last however many years, he has been the best manager in football. His success speaks for itself. Simple as that. As usual there are far too many who cannot stand to give him his dues. Yes, it is a real shame that the legend that was Bob Paisley seems to not get the recognition he deserves from the media. But if you take the fact that even Fergies personal goal is to emulate what Mr Paisley managed to achieve, then surely that speaks volumes?

The whole point is that everyone recognises his success, but what you have forgotten is that Paisley had more class in his flat cap than Ferguson will ever have. Plus the fact it's taken him how long to try and win three European Cups.

Quite simply Ferguson is a bully, tyrant, classless tw*t of a man and a champagne socialist to boot!

I cant even think of comparing them two.

No, it quite easily is.

Lets give you a one in four chance of qualifying to begin with.
Lets then give you a seeding system meaning you're going to avoid any real big sides.
Lets then give you a country protection rule as well just to ensure you don't face any of the better sides in the second batch.
Lets then give you six games against the mighty Panathiakos, Rangers and Ruben Kazan.
Lets then in the next round, still not give you a straight knockout but instead runners up of groups.
Lets then continue with the country protection theme just to ensure no potential banana skin.
Lets then finally scrap all that and go to a straight knockout by which time we've got all the big money clubs in therefore more money for UEFA and television companies.

Whereas when the European Cup was actually a difficult competition to win you had to;
Firstly win your own League.
Face whoever the f**k you got from round 1 regardless of their reputation or which country the club was from.
Start from round 1 in a straight two legged knockout affair.

Also back then things called tackles were allowed. Pitches weren't the carpets they are now but instead mud baths. Players weren't super fit human beings. Traveling was an issue because it wasn't so easy to just pop over to Spain within a few hours but instead took f**king days, so fatigue played a much bigger part.

Quite simply, the Champions League is a lot easier to win than the old European Cup ever was.

Like I said, so much more depth now. Indeed you have to play a league format (with some tricky games as we well know) just to get though to the knockout stage that is then basically as we were in years gone by. Thing is, when you are in the knockout stage most of the time the cream has risen & then it is so much harder. The very fact you give the 'better' clubs more chance means it is harder to win. Its like you saaying the FA cup is harder to win the the EPL as if you fukk up you are out. So is the FA cup harder to win than the EPL?

like I said "You normally get the best 8 teams in the last 8 of the Champs League. That never, ever used to happen in the old European Cup. NEVER, it NEVER happened. FACT"

Do you argue that case?

Then of course you bleet on about it was only the winners... Well that is true & the winners are STILL in, but guess what! Thats right! The rest of the best from the top leagues join  them as oppossed to just the winners of the swiss & swedish leagues. Very obvious what is harder to win!!!

And then we have it, easier now because of what? Progression? Football is easier now is it as we dont kick a pigs bladder about anymore!

You might have a point about the game being more physical (I'm all for that btw) but its so much faster now, different game, to compare is folly. And without doubt you arguement leads me to the conclusion that you do indeed think it was harder to win the FA cup in years gone by than winning the EPL now or do you change tack for that?

Like I said, so much more depth now. Indeed you have to play a league format (with some tricky games as we well know) just to get though to the knockout stage that is then basically as we were in years gone by. Thing is, when you are in the knockout stage most of the time the cream has risen & then it is so much harder. The very fact you give the 'better' clubs more chance means it is harder to win. Its like you saaying the FA cup is harder to win the the EPL as if you fukk up you are out. So is the FA cup harder to win than the EPL?

like I said "You normally get the best 8 teams in the last 8 of the Champs League. That never, ever used to happen in the old European Cup. NEVER, it NEVER happened. FACT"

Do you argue that case?

Then of course you bleet on about it was only the winners... Well that is true & the winners are STILL in, but guess what! Thats right! The rest of the best from the top leagues join  them as oppossed to just the winners of the swiss & swedish leagues. Very obvious what is harder to win!!!

And then we have it, easier now because of what? Progression? Football is easier now is it as we dont kick a pigs bladder about anymore!

You might have a point about the game being more physical (I'm all for that btw) but its so much faster now, different game, to compare is folly. And without doubt you arguement leads me to the conclusion that you do indeed think it was harder to win the FA cup in years gone by than winning the EPL now or do you change tack for that?

The FA Cup is harder to win than the League (in some ways) because you can't go playing for draws, unless you're expecting to defend for 210 minutes (including replay and extra time) then go through on penalties. You have to go for a win because you only get one chance at it, not 38 where you can afford the odd slip up.

The League is harder to win than the FA Cup (in some ways) because it's a 10 month grilling of having to be consistently the best in the country.

The Champions League combines the two and makes it's much easier to win than either or the old European Cup. Also in the League, FA Cup and old European Cup you didn't get people saying "I'd rather come second in this group as to avoid ..." That's what the Champions League gives people, it gives them the opportunity to play weakened sides, rest players and all the rest of the bollocks that comes with it. Therefore making it easier to win than the FA Cup in the same way the League is easier than the FA Cup on that basis. Days gone by you had no choice but to play your best XI at all times in almost every competition. That also made the old European Cup harder to win.

European Cup winning sides (for us)
2005 (3 players played in over 50 games that season)
1984 (10 players played in over 50 games that season, 8 of the 10 playing over 60 games, 5 of the 8 playing in all 67 games)
1981 (8 players played in over 50 games that season, 4 of the 8 playing over 60 games, 1 of the 4 playing in all 63)
1978 (7 players played in over 50 games that season, 4 of the 7 playing in over 60 games, 2 of the 4 playing in all 62 games)
1977 (7 players played in over 50 games that season, 4 of the 7 playing in over 60 games, 2 of the 4 playing in all 62 games)

They played more games on worse pitches in a more physical game in worse physical condition while having worse traveling conditions. All playing a part on fatigue. It was much harder to win back then.

If you think otherwise, that's up to you. Can't be arsed going over the same argument anymore. It's getting tedious.

If you think otherwise, that's up to you. Can't be arsed going over the same argument anymore. It's getting tedious.

I do & it is up to me. Just as your view is up to you.

I agree going over the same is tedious, so why do you - not just here but time & time again? You think its harder to win in days gone by & I dont. I couldnt give a fukk tbh.

I will just add that I have answered your points, yet you fail to respond to basic ones of mine & just spout out more rhetoric. Its getting us nowhere, you are right. so I will ask one more time & if you can't answer, walk away. I have taken on board your old ways theory & physical element & dont just dismiss it, so why do you dismiss reasonable arguement placed at your door? How can you dismiss the depth? How can you dismiss the FACT that now the last 8 tends to be the top 8 or so European sides & not just 3 or perhaps 4 & then a Swiss or Austrian club (as an example)