Lucas Digne (PSG)

He's just a professional footballer by luck then?

it happens.  Look at Poulsen.

it happens.  Look at Poulsen.

Carroll

Moreno isn't talented.  He can't cross, he can't pass, he has an awful first touch, he can't defend, he has zero positional awareness, zero discipline. 

We need a new starting LB, ASAP.

He can and has done all those things, what he hasn't done is, excluding a couple of games at the beginning of last season, is do it all consistently over 90 minutes. That said, I don't think he'll ever be top drawer, he's better than Enrique at present, our only option.

Any chance you can switch your hyperbolic overdrive off?

Moreno and Digne bring it on.

Moreno isn't talented.  He can't cross, he can't pass, he has an awful first touch, he can't defend, he has zero positional awareness, zero discipline. 

We need a new starting LB, ASAP.

Moreno was no worse than anybody else last season. Not a single player covered themselves in any sort of glory.

Moreno was no worse than anybody else last season. Not a single player covered themselves in any sort of glory.

So the way we judge players now is by saying "he's sh*te but so are a bunch of other players"?

So the way we judge players now is by saying "he's sh*te but so are a bunch of other players"?

No, but you can't just keep singling out and creating a vendetta against Moreno when like I say, the entire squad was crap from start to finish.

No, but you can't just keep singling out and creating a vendetta against Moreno when like I say, the entire squad was crap from start to finish.

I didn't single out Moreno.

Allen, Mignolet, Johnson, Gerrard, Lambert, Henderson, Markovic, Lovren, they were all terrible last season.

Stevie and Johnson are already gone.  Lambert looks like he'll be going too.  Allen I regularly call out for his lack of quality; I have said on countless occasions how I feel about Mignolet and us needing a better keeper; you all know how I feel about Henderson; Lovren and Markovic, the less said the better.

I don't know why you think I only have a go at Moreno.

Maybe the reason is because everyone is in consensus that players like Lovren etc are terrible whereas some people for some reason still think Moreno is a good player.

I didn't single out Moreno.

Allen, Mignolet, Johnson, Gerrard, Lambert, Henderson, Markovic, Lovren, they were all terrible last season.

Migs and Henderson were two of our better players in the second half of the season along with Coutinho, Sakho, and Can.

Rest were gash.

I don't know why you think I only have a go at Moreno.

I don't know either, I mean it's not like you are constantly on about him or anything...

Having more of a competition for his place might improve his game, his and Digne hopefully.

Migs and Henderson were two of our better players in the second half of the season along

Mignolet was one of the worst keepers in the league the first half the season; he absolutely improved in the second half but it's sort of like saying your 30 stone wife lost weight and now she's only 25 stone.  You still have a whale as a wife.

Henderson scored a couple of good goals but that's about it.  He did his usual disappearing act in the big games in the second half of the season and was mostly anonymous for the rest of them.  If that's considered good then our standards have truly dropped beyond all recognition.

Sakho, Can and Coutinho were the only one who really did well last season.

Moreno isn't talented.  He can't cross, he can't pass, he has an awful first touch, he can't defend, he has zero positional awareness, zero discipline. 

We need a new starting LB, ASAP.

Thanks for clearing that up!! Now we can all sleep easy knowing that poor Joe Allen has some company on your sh*t list 

If only we could find a way to sign Mo Diame and Moussa Sissoko then we might have a shot at the title this year!! 

Get it done.

If only for the reason it saves me £20m+ on footy manager every time.

If being better than Moreno is the criteria then we have plenty of options. But we need proper quality. If this guy is it then great, if not then swerve and keep searching.

Mignolet was one of the worst keepers in the league the first half the season; he absolutely improved in the second half but it's sort of like saying your 30 stone wife lost weight and now she's only 25 stone.  You still have a whale as a wife.

Henderson scored a couple of good goals but that's about it.  He did his usual disappearing act in the big games in the second half of the season and was mostly anonymous for the rest of them.  If that's considered good then our standards have truly dropped beyond all recognition.

Sakho, Can and Coutinho were the only one who really did well last season.

I agree. Henderson was dogshit for me a lot of the time.

I agree. Henderson was dogshit for me a lot of the time.

What was it about Jordan that made him "dogshit", in your opinion, LR: not consistent enough: not enough goals: too few assists maybe? 

What, for example, made Sakho, Can and Coutinho the only players who did well last season?  I mean: Sakho hardly played [1419 mins - roughly the same as the season before btw]; Can started well but was soon found out [admittedly out of position] and Coutinho scored 5 with 7 assists [to Jordan's 6 goals and 10 assists] so what was it - what made Jordan "dogshit" compared with these three? 
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Anyhow - back on topic:

The 'problem' (as I see it) with Moreno is that, like the overwhelming majority of young players [under 25]; he's nowhere near the finished article and the truth is; he may well never be.

At this age most players are still 'boys'; still raw; still learning. With a few exceptions (and there are exceptions) very few will have the nous to be consistent at a high level. Most need to be nurtured alongside more experienced pros - not alongside someone with the same level of experience; the same issues and problems.

And that, I'm afraid, is the problem I have with Digne. He too is still raw; still inexperienced; still learning.

My question: should Liverpool F.C. be looking or, indeed, should we [club/fans] be expecting 'boys' to not only, perform consistently at the highest level but to do their learning as they play at that level (and from other inexperienced players, at that)?

It seems to me that, if this goes through, what Brendan and the club are hoping for is that at least one gamble pays off; that this one [Digne] will be the exception but personally I'd rather we mitigated the risk: I'd rather we looked at a more experienced player - someone like Filipe Luis, for e.g.

Expecting a group of young lads to be all consistent, at the same time, at a high level and for a full season is a big ask. They can come good but let's give them a fighting chance for F**k's sake - give them more 'experience' to learn from.

Here endeth the sermon. 

So the way we judge players now is by saying "he's sh*te but so are a bunch of other players"?

If the entire team is playing like a bag of sh*te you expect the new young LB to stand out?

Mignolet was one of the worst keepers in the league the first half the season; he absolutely improved in the second half but it's sort of like saying your 30 stone wife lost weight and now she's only 25 stone.  You still have a whale as a wife.

Henderson scored a couple of good goals but that's about it.  He did his usual disappearing act in the big games in the second half of the season and was mostly anonymous for the rest of them.  If that's considered good then our standards have truly dropped beyond all recognition.

Nah, because she was a supermodel in the second half. That averages out to a mediocre looking bird over the year, but lets not downplay how good Migs was in the second half of the season.

Re: Hendo, Even if he was "anonymous", he was still our most consistent source of goals (scored or assisted), so I reckon you have a weird definition of anonymous.

You have a weird vendetta against Henderson. I don't get it mate.


Edit: for OT

I don't think getting Digne means giving up on Moreno. Competition for the LB place can only be a good thing.

What was it about Jordan that made him "dogshit", in your opinion, LR: not consistent enough: not enough goals: too few assists maybe? 

Ok dogshit is a bit strong for Henderson. But I know what I saw when watching Liverpool games last season and I genuinely thought he went missing a lot. You can throw as many stats as you want. He had a good little run, like the whole team did after christmas, but that was it. I was underwhelmed by a lot of his performances

Wisdom set for a season-long loan at Norwich! Loan fee £1.25mil

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-defender-andre-wisdom-9743642

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/28/andrew-wisdom-liverpool-norwich-loan-season-long-loan

Another defender, the Paris Saint-Germain left-back Lucas Digne, has been linked with a summer move to Liverpool but it is understood the Anfield club are not pursuing a deal for the France international.

So we're going into the season with Gomez as our main LB? Based on the pre-season performances? Not saying he wouldn't crack it but hope we have a deal lined up for this lad. Though I can see Joe starting LB at Stoke, would prefer a specialist LB like Digne before Sep 1

Wisdom set for a season-long loan at Norwich! Loan fee £1.25mil

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-defender-andre-wisdom-9743642

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/28/andrew-wisdom-liverpool-norwich-loan-season-long-loan

Another defender, the Paris Saint-Germain left-back Lucas Digne, has been linked with a summer move to Liverpool but it is understood the Anfield club are not pursuing a deal for the France international.

So we're going into the season with Gomez as our main LB? Based on the pre-season performances? Not saying he wouldn't crack it but hope we have a deal lined up for this lad. Though I can see Joe starting LB at Stoke, would prefer a specialist LB like Digne before Sep 1

What's the source for the Digne news?

What's the source for the Digne news?

The last paragraph in that Guardian article

Wisdom set for a season-long loan at Norwich! Loan fee £1.25mil

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-defender-andre-wisdom-9743642

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/28/andrew-wisdom-liverpool-norwich-loan-season-long-loan

Another defender, the Paris Saint-Germain left-back Lucas Digne, has been linked with a summer move to Liverpool but it is understood the Anfield club are not pursuing a deal for the France international.

So we're going into the season with Gomez as our main LB? Based on the pre-season performances? Not saying he wouldn't crack it but hope we have a deal lined up for this lad. Though I can see Joe starting LB at Stoke, would prefer a specialist LB like Digne before Sep 1

Moreno & Enrique still at club no ? 

Moreno & Enrique still at club no ? 

Might as well be one though, Enrique has decided to form a career in social media by the looks of things.