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      Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold Player Thread
      Reply #874: May 31, 2021 09:57:11 pm
      Literally one of the best players in the world not being selected for a national team. Very strange - I hope this doesn’t knock his confidence

      If I were him  would retire from England duty whilst he is the manager. I really hope England get humiliated . F***ing Trippier FFS not fit to lace his boots. Walker has won plenty and young james is looking good but nobody is close to Trent in terms of affecting  a game in a positive way.
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      Reply #875: May 31, 2021 09:57:12 pm
      Shocking the way it’s been managed by Southgate he’s treated Trent like a F***ing amateur here. Dropped then called up to provisional squad to be dropped again. Given no kudos to his status or performance since he was initially dropped his change in form has been phenomenal.
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      Reply #876: May 31, 2021 10:27:13 pm
      Is it any wonder the majority of LFC supporters do not give a F**k about Engerland?
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      Reply #877: Jun 01, 2021 01:48:33 am
      Shocking the way it’s been managed by Southgate he’s treated Trent like a f**king amateur here. Dropped then called up to provisional squad to be dropped again. Given no kudos to his status or performance since he was initially dropped his change in form has been phenomenal.

      Pathetic and Southgate severely exposing himself if he does go down that route. It's astounding you'd not choose someone of Trent's level and talent. The man's a f**king idiot.

      In what is essentially a home tournament for England, anything less that the semi finals is sackable.

      Would love it if they went crashing at the group stages (and got embarrassed by Scotland in the process)
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      Reply #878: Jun 01, 2021 11:43:42 am
      They are all good fullbacks, but Trent is hands down the best of them. It’s not even close really, look at the stats if you need convincing.

      Also, if Hendo is likely to be playing in midfield wouldn’t you want Trent at Fullback as they understand each other and partner well?

      Southgate is an idiot.

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      Reply #879: Jun 01, 2021 11:45:44 am
      christ on a bike, I wish scotland could afford to leave one of the best footballers in the world out of our team. We might even have a chance of beating england this month at this rate.  :lmao:

      southgate must be brain dead.
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      Reply #880: Jun 01, 2021 11:47:39 am
      If I were him  would retire from England duty whilst he is the manager. I really hope England get humiliated . F***ing Trippier FFS not fit to lace his boots. Walker has won plenty and young james is looking good but nobody is close to Trent in terms of affecting  a game in a positive way.


      One of the best in the world, not just england. all round brilliant footabller, full package, defends, attacks, takes corners, free kicks. ffs. after saying all that hes englands best player, let alone full backs. ;D
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      Reply #881: Jun 01, 2021 01:21:08 pm
      One of the best in the world, not just england. all round brilliant footabller, full package, defends, attacks, takes corners, free kicks. ffs. after saying all that hes englands best player, let alone full backs. ;D

      oh come on mate.
      He's not very good defensively, let alone world class.
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      Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold Player Thread
      Reply #882: Jun 01, 2021 01:26:44 pm
      Southgate is a clown and how on Earth, he's not selecting him ??? But hey, he will be rested.
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      Reply #883: Jun 01, 2021 01:35:48 pm
      oh come on mate.
      He's not very good defensively, let alone world class.

      Defending is only part of the modern full backs job. His defending is fine, whne you consider how many different CB's he has played with this season id say hes done very well, also considering he had covid and seemed to take a while to recover properly, he has been outstanding for past 2 months now.

      Anyway from a slefish scottish point of view its fantastic the southgate is a moon unit. ;D
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      Reply #884: Jun 01, 2021 01:51:19 pm
      Defending is only part of the modern full backs job. His defending is fine, whne you consider how many different CB's he has played with this season id say hes done very well, also considering he had covid and seemed to take a while to recover properly, he has been outstanding for past 2 months now.

      Anyway from a slefish scottish point of view its fantastic the southgate is a moon unit. ;D

      There are times that he's not even PL defending material, and they happen more often than should. Because he's so good at other areas of the game it makes him a very good overall player, but his defense can be truly shocking.
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      Reply #885: Jun 01, 2021 01:51:28 pm
      This isn’t confirmed yet is it? I cannot get my head around the idea of him not making the squad. His form has been very good since Southgate dropped him and I actually thought it did us a favour. I never considered that he wouldn’t make the final 22. England have looked laborious and lacking in creativity recently so dropping Trent would make no sense at all. I hopE Kliopp tells him he’s a feckin idiot If it really is true.
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      Reply #886: Jun 01, 2021 01:52:45 pm
      Defending is only part of the modern full backs job. His defending is fine, whne you consider how many different CB's he has played with this season id say hes done very well, also considering he had covid and seemed to take a while to recover properly, he has been outstanding for past 2 months now.

      Anyway from a slefish scottish point of view its fantastic the southgate is a moon unit. ;D

      He's pretty bad defensively.
      Always has been.
      Maybe he'll get better as he gets older.


      His attacking play is excellent though.

      But I'm glad as well that he's not going.
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      Reply #887: Jun 01, 2021 02:10:19 pm


      It's a tired narrative that he's not a good defender. He is a good defender. But his defensive partnership in midfield was lacking this season due to our injury issues and he sometimes suffered because of it. He's shown on many occasions that he can pocket some pretty good attackers.
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      Reply #888: Jun 01, 2021 02:37:27 pm


      It's a tired narrative that he's not a good defender. He is a good defender. But his defensive partnership in midfield was lacking this season due to our injury issues and he sometimes suffered because of it. He's shown on many occasions that he can pocket some pretty good attackers.

      Its becuase he is seen as an attaking win back, but he is actually a decent defender. as you say this season has been very difficult with all the disruption to the team.
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      Reply #889: Jun 01, 2021 02:38:29 pm
      There are times that he's not even PL defending material, and they happen more often than should. Because he's so good at other areas of the game it makes him a very good overall player, but his defense can be truly shocking.

      ok. would you swap him for any other english RB ?
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      Reply #890: Jun 01, 2021 02:53:01 pm
      ok. would you swap him for any other english RB ?

      No, but that is irrelevant to the discussion about his defensive game.

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      Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold Player Thread
      Reply #891: Jun 01, 2021 03:06:48 pm
      Trent Alexander-Arnold is defending better than last season – his Liverpool team-mates just need to cover him more

      https://theathletic.com/2516066/2021/04/13/trent-alexander-arnold-is-defending-better-than-last-season-his-liverpool-team-mates-just-need-to-cover-him-more/


      By Caoimhe O'Neill and Mark Carey Apr 13, 2021 54
      Everybody is still talking about Trent Alexander-Arnold.

      He is regarded by the footballing fraternity as one of the best full-backs in the world — and has been for a while. His numbers and medals speak for themselves. However, when Gareth Southgate omitted the 22-year-old from his England squad last month it cast doubt over Alexander-Arnold’s capabilities.

      A young player who has been on the scene since 2017 has become tangled in a seemingly endless debate. Will Alexander-Arnold be named in the England squad for the European Championship this summer? Should he be? Is he good enough defensively?

      A lot of questions are now being asked as Alexander-Arnold is placed under a microscopic level of scrutiny. Beer gardens, which opened across England on Monday, will now be among the newest venues to play host to these ongoing debates. Over freshly poured pints and from in front of TV screens and mobile phones, Alexander-Arnold’s every move for Liverpool is being lambasted or worshipped. There seems to be nothing in between.

      Every defensive mistake he makes sees him called into question. Every stunning moment — like his late winner against Aston Villa — sees him idolised.

      “Are you not entertained?!” he playfully captioned a picture he shared to social media on Saturday after the 2-1 win at Anfield. It’s entertaining, alright. But, after seeing how Real Madrid clearly targeted the right channel and Liverpool’s high line, should Jürgen Klopp be worried about the return leg? Should he be adapting his tactics and abandoning his high line? Should the right-back’s team-mates be doing more to protect him in these situations? Should Alexander-Arnold go forward less often?

      Liverpool will need to offer him more support in the second leg against Real is one quickfire answer. The right side was repeatedly exposed by searching balls from Thibaut Courtois, Toni Kroos and Luka Modric among others. The pace and control of Vinicius Junior, combined with support from full-back Ferland Mendy, saw Alexander-Arnold often outnumbered, particularly when Karim Benzema would wade across.

      Right from the off at Valdebebas, Real looked to set Vinicius to work on Liverpool’s right flank. With Alexander-Arnold out of position in this instance, and Ozan Kabak and Andrew Robertson’s attention focused on Marco Asensio, Lucas Vasquez launched a searching ball over the top targeting the space in behind — a warning sign of what was to come.



      Nathaniel Phillips, still inexperienced at this level, was able to read the pass and get in front of it. Liverpool came away with possession momentarily before Real won it back in the opposition half.

      A few minutes later and Liverpool were bunched up on their left-hand side. Kroos, who later played the direct ball between Alexander-Arnold and Phillips that Vinicius was able to control and finish beyond Alisson to make it 1-0, played a quick pass into Vinicius. Alexander-Arnold moved across to put pressure on Vinicius, who had Mendy charging on the overlap.



      Liverpool were sluggish to react and support Alexander-Arnold at this moment. Phillips got across but was unable to stop Vinicius before Fabinho eventually intervened and kicked the ball out for a corner to momentarily relieve the pressure of what might easily have been an easy finish for Benzema or Asensio.



      Fabinho getting back to deal with the danger is a timely reminder of his importance in defensive midfield, having spent much of the season covering injuries at centre-back. However, the responsibility of providing support for Alexander-Arnold on the right and Robertson on the left is crucial and falls to everyone. It is not just the central defenders who need to be shifting across but Liverpool’s forward line and all of their midfielders need to be lending a hand in rooting out possession.

      When Asensio played a ball over to Mendy, Liverpool shifted across to support Alexander-Arnold. Mohamed Salah raced back to support his full-back as the midfield trio of Naby Keita, Fabinho and Georginio Wijnaldum — who was covering for Robertson — also came across.



      Though, as we can see from their positioning, they didn’t all sprint across with the intensity Liverpool fans are used to seeing. Vinicius is goalside and Mendy can play a ball in the direction of the forward given the fact Keita pushed out towards the wing and vacated the space.



      Klopp is not going to abandon his high line and will still want Alexander-Arnold him hurtling forward — because he offers so much to Liverpool’s attack.

      Even though his goal and assist figures have dropped off this season, the risk is ultimately more often than not worth the reward. In the first leg, Alexander-Arnold made costly errors for both first-half goals and could have reacted a lot better to Real’s third goal, but he also showed his excellence in abundance when getting back to prevent a high-quality chance.

      Another goal would have all but ended Liverpool’s chances of progressing into the semi-final stage of the Champions League. Asensio is in a position to tap the ball in for an easy chance, but Alexander-Arnold raced back…



      …and did just enough to put him off, getting a touch on the ball before it was collected by Alisson.



      His defensive skill set is being placed under the microscope during every game. However, the data suggests his duel win rate has increased in most areas this season compared with the 2019-20 campaign.

      His amount of “true” tackles (tackles plus challenges lost plus fouls committed) is at an all-time low (4.8 after adjusting for possession) compared with previous seasons, which does suggest he is putting a foot in less than he has in recent years. However, he is winning those challenges at a better rate than in previous seasons.



      In fact, he ranks among the top 10 full-backs in the Premier League for tackle win rate, which indicates his impressive timing.



      Winning aerial duels might not be his forte, but Alexander-Arnold is difficult to dribble around. It is a misconception that he is unable to stop opposing players running beyond him. His “dribbled past rate” of 28.8 per cent shows he is beaten far less than he was last term (43.3 per cent).

      Despite playing in an unsettled Liverpool team missing their first-choice centre-backs through injury, his defending has actually improved. He has made mistakes, but without Joe Gomez for company as the right-sided centre-back, as well as Virgil van Dijk and Joel Matip, there are mitigating factors.

      Liverpool’s aggressive defensive line has not helped at times, either. It has benefited the attack, but when the midfielders and forwards lose the ball and the opposition beats the press, it leaves Liverpool’s high defenders even more exposed. If Kroos isn’t being pressed, for example, he has all the time in the world to pick out his pacey team-mates.


      As the season has progressed, Liverpool have looked gradually weaker at the back. However, even in an impressive collective defensive performance, the warning signs could be seen in the 1-1 draw away to Manchester City in November.

      Liverpool do seem to press their opponents with less intensity this season, which could be down to any number of things — a seemingly never-ending season, a lack of rotation from Klopp. But against City, they were at the peak of their pressing game. When Raheem Sterling had the ball and cut inside Alexander-Arnold, Diogo Jota was there to put pressure on Sterling.



      Jordan Henderson also worked back and eventually, Liverpool came away with possession. Defending and pressing as a team has been Liverpool’s strong point in recent seasons and their failure to do so against Madrid is what cost them.



      There are plenty of instances when Alexander-Arnold has committed to an attack and won’t get back in time as the opposition break. This is the risk of playing with such attacking full-backs. And it almost cost them against City as Kevin De Bruyne’s cross located Sterling at the far post.



      Alisson was able to make a block on the attempted shot as Matip covered in behind and cleared the ball.



      With Alexander-Arnold having raced back into position just as the shot was played, this could have easily been viewed as a costly error had it been a goal — but Liverpool dealt with the danger, which is something they usually do for the most part.

      As Liverpool made a clearance, Joao Cancelo won the race to the ball up against Alexander-Arnold and had a lot of space to run into.



      Out came Matip who was unable to get a touch on the ball. Roberto Firmino, as Jota did in the earlier instance, had sprinted back to help out. The ball found Sterling before Henderson was able to get across and break up play.



      Later in the game, a pass from Matip intended for Alexander-Arnold was cut out by Sterling, who then broke forward.



      A familiar pattern was Liverpool’s ability to swarm the ball. They did so again here and Matip was able to retain possession before getting a pass to Alexander-Arnold at the second time of asking.



      Klopp is not going to abandon his footballing philosophy. His high line and attacking full-backs have helped Liverpool to conquer England, Europe and the world. The hope is that once he has Van Dijk, Gomez and Matip back at his disposal, things will get easier for Alexander-Arnold on the right.

      One thing the defender could benefit from immediately is more intensity from his team-mates in midfield and attack. If Liverpool do not press the ball against Real and look as absent in midfield as they did in the first leg, they will see Alexander-Arnold targeted again and will have no hope of making it into the last four of the competition.

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      Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold Player Thread
      Reply #892: Jun 01, 2021 03:17:03 pm
      I don’t get the arguing

      We know he’s one of the best talents in world football

      I’m just surprised some reds question him let alone anyone else
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      Reply #894: Jun 01, 2021 03:44:52 pm
      If true delighted for him personally but being selfish I would have been happier with him sitting at home with his feet up .Now watch the pundits savage every mistake he makes
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      Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold Player Thread
      Reply #895: Jun 01, 2021 03:46:27 pm
      Probably wont kick a ball. ;D
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      Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold Player Thread
      Reply #896: Jun 01, 2021 03:46:51 pm
      Literally one of the best players in the world not being selected for a national team. Very strange - I hope this doesn’t knock his confidence

      couldn't agree more he is quite unique in his abilities . Lets see what happens at 4pm

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