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      Reply #15594: Jan 08, 2018 06:56:12 am
      I think that we kept him for six months as we knew what he could do for us, but Klopp didn't know how quickly they would fit in or what impact his other signings would have.  Six months later and they are settled and looking good, so we have let him go.

      While this may seem a big gamble, it is possibly less of a gamble than him going last summer.

      I think while we may have let "our best player" go, Klopp may think that he is not currently our most important (I certainly don't).

      All in all on balance if VVD has the impact we all hope, then I think that on balance we will have a better squad than before this window. Just my opinion on why I think Klopp may be ok with him going now.
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      Reply #15595: Jan 08, 2018 10:06:42 am
      Despite the cloud of the Coutinho saga hanging over us, there is no doubt in my mind that Klopp is the right man for the job.  Those saying he should go are deluded.  Who would you take over him that we could possibly get??!!!!
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      Reply #15596: Jan 08, 2018 10:11:56 am
      Our manager is more important than any of our players.

      I have complete faith that he knows what he's doing and all we need is a bit of patience.

      His transfer record so far has been really good and he showed he can wait to sign really good players that improve the team without resorting to panic buying.
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      Reply #15597: Jan 08, 2018 10:17:35 am
      I 100000% trust the boss. I would be more upset losing Klopp than I have been losing Coutinho.

      He’s the best fit for Liverpool and I can’t wait to see the players he (eventually) brings in.

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      Reply #15598: Jan 08, 2018 10:36:20 am
      But obviously there are people here who put more faith in Coutinho than the boss. I read a lot that we’ll finish fourth, lack ambition or play in the Europa league because we sold our best player. As if we will be on the way down without him. We must put our trust in Klopp not one best player. When the player goes, so will these people’s hope in their hearts.

      Walk on or walk off??? The individual fan decides.
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      Reply #15599: Jan 08, 2018 11:28:10 am
      How many players do we need bring in summer l look at goalkeeper other back with Phil gone other playmaker and forward maybe other young player as back up in squad
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      Reply #15600: Jan 08, 2018 12:03:53 pm
      How many players do we need bring in summer l look at goalkeeper other back with Phil gone other playmaker and forward maybe other young player as back up in squad

      That depends on how many we can bring in in Jan, but to answer the question in the spirit it was made, Goalkeeper, Center Back, Defensive Midfielder, attacking midfielder, and a forward who can play in a similar role to Firmino. We're upgrading on Can with Keita, that's great, but now we need to upgrade on Matip (he really is awful), replace Coutinho and have coverage of Firmino's role in the event he sustains a long term injury.
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      Reply #15601: Jan 08, 2018 12:28:03 pm
      I read a lot that we’ll finish fourth, lack ambition or play in the Europa league because we sold our best player. As if we will be on the way down without him.

      If your best player leaves then by logic you get worse. That said I think C. is not our best player, but Salah and Firmino and even Lallana (when 100%) are more valueable. C.'s problem is that his build and toughness are not suited for PL style. That's why Ronaldo went to Real, that's why C. escaped. At least that is my theory.

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      Reply #15602: Jan 08, 2018 12:57:20 pm
      If your best player leaves then by logic you get worse. That said I think C. is not our best player, but Salah and Firmino and even Lallana (when 100%) are more valueable. C.'s problem is that his build and toughness are not suited for PL style. That's why Ronaldo went to Real, that's why C. escaped. At least that is my theory.

      You can't seriously suggest size matters. Small build, nifty,pacey, tricky,intelligent feet..that describes Coutinho and he is perfectly suited to the Premier League.

      There is an issue regarding the strength and quality of teams in the Premier league in that playing for Barca is a much easier gig than playing in the Prem. There are very few easy games in the Prem, but in La Liga they come week in week out. This undoubtedly adds to the longevity of a players career.

      Messi would never play in the Premier league as he would not do half as well as he does with Barca. The other thing is when Messi plays in the C/L he hasn't played tough hard fought games in the run up to a C/L game. Coutinho, on the other hand will have had to battle in every game and then be expected to be as fresh as a daisy for the C/L. And that Pip, is the issue with the Premier League Verses La Liga....and not the size of the players.
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      Reply #15603: Jan 08, 2018 12:59:46 pm
      If your best player leaves then by logic you get worse. That said I think C. is not our best player, but Salah and Firmino and even Lallana (when 100%) are more valueable. C.'s problem is that his build and toughness are not suited for PL style. That's why Ronaldo went to Real, that's why C. escaped. At least that is my theory.

      Lallana more valuable to us then coutinho  :lmao:

      lallana is great when fit however he is nowhere near coutinho's level, weve not had a player with coutinho's vision and passing and skill for years and will not for years to come. His link up play was worth more to us alone then £142 million in the bank.
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      Reply #15604: Jan 08, 2018 01:27:10 pm
      We have the best manager in the country, perhaps even the continent, in my opinion. I have a lot of respect for the likes of Conte and Pep, but they would not  be as fitting to this club as Klopp.

      We invest Couts cash wisely on a goalkeeper and a top midfielder, we'll challenge for title next year.

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      Reply #15605: Jan 08, 2018 06:23:50 pm
      Tears, trophies and transfers - How Jürgen Klopp dealt with big name departures and what it means for Liverpool


      What Klopp's reaction is remains to be seen but Klopp has been here before

      The saga is over, finally.

      Philippe Coutinho is gone, his move to Barcelona done and dusted, the Spaniards' lengthy and at-times brazen pursuit complete.


      Liverpool bank a fair chunk of money - £105m up front, more to come via add-ons – but now have the unenviable task of replacing the Brazilian. It won't be easy.

      Speaking on Saturday, Reds boss Jürgen Klopp Klopp told fans the club had done “everything within our means” to keep the 25-year-old at Anfield, but that Coutinho had been “insistent” that the move happened immediately.

      In a lengthy statement posted on the club's official website, Klopp also insisted that Liverpool would “absorb” the loss of their star man.

      “Players will come and players will go, that is football,” he said. “But as a club we are big enough and strong enough to continue with our aggressive progression on the pitch, even when we lose an important player.

      “We have never been in a better position in recent times, as a club, to react in the right way.”

      What that reaction will be remains to be seen, of course, but Klopp has been here before. His latter years at Borussia Dortmund were marked by significant player departures.

      Here's how he handled them...

      Nuri Sahin - 2011

      What happened?

      Sahin was one of the key figures of Klopp's first Bundesliga title win in 2011.

      But soon after that success, the Turkish international was approached by Real Madrid and made the decision to leave Dortmund.

      Speaking last summer, Sahin revealed the conversation he had with Klopp ahead of that move.

      "Nuri, it is your choice," he told me. "But if you leave, you must know, I will always be on your side. You are my friend forever."

      Sahin completed his move to the Bernabeu in May 2011.

      How did Klopp react?

      Pretty well. Having showed his human side during his conversation with Sahin, Klopp and Dortmund displayed their eye for a player that summer.

      Ilkay Gundogan was the man they chose to replace him. At the time he was a 20-year-old playing with Nuremberg in the German Second Division. He would swiftly establish himself as a mainstay at Dortmund, playing a big role as they defended their Bundesliga title in 2011/12, adding the German Cup for good measure.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Sahin's move to Spain didn't work out. He spent just one season at Real, making 10 appearances. In August 2012 he was snapped up on loan by Liverpool, but that deal was cut short in January 2013 after a dozen outings and three goals.

      He returned to Dortmund, initially on an 18-month loan. That move was made permanent in 2014, though he has not regained anything like his best form since.


      Shinji Kagawa - 2012



      What happened?


      Another key figure of Klopp's golden era at Dortmund, Japan international Kagawa was instrumental in their back-to-back Bundesliga successes of 2011 and 2012.

      But like Sahin before him, the lure of one of Europe's big boys proved too great. He'd cost just €350,000 when signing from Cerezo Osaka, but Manchester United paid £12m to take him to the Premier League.

      “Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing,” moaned Klopp a year into Kagawa's Old Trafford career.

      “My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji’s best role. He’s an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw.

      “But for most Japanese people it means more to play for Man United than Dortmund. We cried for 20 minutes, in each other’s arms, when he left.”

      How did Klopp react?

      Well, after the tears subsided, he did pretty well! He picked up a young, talented attacker from Borussia Monchengladbach called Marco Reus, and guided Dortmund to the final of the Champions League in 2013.

      They lost unfortunately to Bayern – arguably the beginning of the end for Klopp at Signal Iduna Park – and finished second to the Bavarians in the Bundesliga. Reus, though, would become one of Europe's stars.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Like Sahin, his big move didn't work out as planned. Kagawa did win a Premier League medal in his first season at United, but struggled to find the kind of form he had shown at Dortmund.

      His second season at Old Trafford saw him fail to score in 30 appearances, and he returned to Germany on deadline day in August 2014.

      Since then, he's made a further 133 appearances for Dortmund, scoring 29 times and winning a German Cup in 2017.


      Mario Gotze - 2013


      What happened?

      A day after Dortmund's epic Champions League quarter final win over Malaga, Jürgen Klopp was brought crashing back down to earth.

      “I had one day of happiness,” he would later reflect. “And then somebody thought ‘enough, go back down on the floor.’”

      The reason? Mario Gotze.

      Klopp, still riding the emotions of the previous night’s triumph, had arrived at Dortmund’s Brackel training ground the following morning to be greeted by Michael Zorc, his sporting director.

      “He looked like someone had died,” he recalled. “He said....I have to tell you something.”

      The news was a dagger blow. Gotze, Dortmund’s bright young thing and the home-grown beacon of an emerging force, was leaving. For Bayern Munich.

      The Bavarians had activated a €37m release clause in Gotze’s contract. He would move to Munich that summer, having been at Dortmund since the age of eight. It was, Klopp, said “like a heart attack.” He would later compare Bayern to a James Bond villain.

      “Michael asked if I wanted to talk and I said: ‘No, I have to go',” he added. “That evening my wife was waiting because there’s a very good German actor, and a good friend, Wotan Wilke Möhring, in a new film in Essen and we were invited to the premiere.

      “But I walked in and told her: ‘No chance. I cannot speak. It’s not possible to take me out tonight.’ There were all these calls from the club – we should meet in a restaurant and speak. I said: ‘No, I have to be on my own.’ Tomorrow I’ll be back in the race – but not tonight.

      How did Klopp react?


      Well, he missed the premiere for starters. And he revealed he had spoken to “six or seven” Dortmund players who were “damaged in the heart.”

      “They thought they were not good enough,” he said. “And they wanted to win together. That’s the reason it hurt them so much. But Bayern told Mario: ‘It’s now or never.’”

      Klopp's replacement was signed at Liverpool's expense, Henrikh Mkhitaryan costing around €25m. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was also picked up that summer at a cost of €13m, with defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos also signed.

      All three would go on to become big players, though Dortmund would finish 19 points adrift of Pep Guardiola's Bayern, and would lose to Real Madrid in the quarter finals of the Champions League.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Mixed, to say the least. Gotze's first season at Bayern brought a Bundesliga title and 15 goals, and ended with him scoring the winner in the biggest game of all – the World Cup final.

      He scored on his first return to Signal Iduna Park with Bayern, but his later years at the Allianz Arena were plagued by injury and loss of form. He missed a penalty against Dortmund during a shootout defeat in the German Cup semi finals in April 2015, and his final season in Bavaria brought just 21 appearances.

      He returned to Dortmund in 2016, having been courted by Klopp and Liverpool. In early March 2017, however, it was revealed he had been suffering from a metabolic disorder. It was later found out to be myopathy, a muscular disorder which affects the fibres in the muscles meaning they do not function correctly.

      He returned to action a few months later, and has made 15 appearances so far this season.


      Robert Lewandowski - 2014

      What happened?

      Another of Dortmund's best signings under Klopp, the striker scored 103 goals in 187 appearances but by 2013 was being openly courted by Bayern Munich.

      Lewandowski pushed for a move following the Champions League final at Wembley, but was denied the move. In November 2013 he confirmed that he would sign a pre-contract agreement with Bayern, moving on a free transfer at the end of that season.

      His final season at Dortmund brought 28 goals in 48 appearances. His final game for Dortmund was the 2014 German Cup final – a defeat against Bayern.

      How did Klopp react?

      He spent money. Italy international Ciro Immobile was the man Dortmund went for, paying a sizeable fee to take the striker from Torino.

      Adrian Ramos, Shinji Kagawa, Nuri Sahin and Mattias Ginter were also brought in as Klopp attempted to keep pace with Bayern. They were unable to do so, Dortmund finishing seventh in the Bundesliga having been bottom at the halfway stage. They were also beaten in the final of the German Cup by Wolfsburg and exited the Champions League at the last 16 stage to Juventus.

      Immobile managed just three Bundesliga goals and Ramos two, although Aubameyang emerged as the like-for-like replacement for Lewandowski with 23 in all competitions.

      As for Klopp, this would prove to be his final campaign as Dortmund boss. He announced his departure at an emotional press conference in April 2015.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      He's become arguably the world's best No.9. His record at Bayern is absurd – 131 goals in 173 games – and he has won three successive Bundesliga crowns.

      With Poland, he was also the top scorer in qualifying for both Euro 2016 and the 2018 World Cup, his international record standing at 51 goals in 91 caps.




      The gaffer has been here before and dealt with it, this is not his first trip around the block in these matters....Players come and players go but he knows what he's doing.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15606: Jan 08, 2018 10:34:45 pm
      Tears, trophies and transfers - How Jürgen Klopp dealt with big name departures and what it means for Liverpool


      What Klopp's reaction is remains to be seen but Klopp has been here before

      The saga is over, finally.

      Philippe Coutinho is gone, his move to Barcelona done and dusted, the Spaniards' lengthy and at-times brazen pursuit complete.


      Liverpool bank a fair chunk of money - £105m up front, more to come via add-ons – but now have the unenviable task of replacing the Brazilian. It won't be easy.

      Speaking on Saturday, Reds boss Jürgen Klopp Klopp told fans the club had done “everything within our means” to keep the 25-year-old at Anfield, but that Coutinho had been “insistent” that the move happened immediately.

      In a lengthy statement posted on the club's official website, Klopp also insisted that Liverpool would “absorb” the loss of their star man.

      “Players will come and players will go, that is football,” he said. “But as a club we are big enough and strong enough to continue with our aggressive progression on the pitch, even when we lose an important player.

      “We have never been in a better position in recent times, as a club, to react in the right way.”

      What that reaction will be remains to be seen, of course, but Klopp has been here before. His latter years at Borussia Dortmund were marked by significant player departures.

      Here's how he handled them...

      Nuri Sahin - 2011

      What happened?

      Sahin was one of the key figures of Klopp's first Bundesliga title win in 2011.

      But soon after that success, the Turkish international was approached by Real Madrid and made the decision to leave Dortmund.

      Speaking last summer, Sahin revealed the conversation he had with Klopp ahead of that move.

      "Nuri, it is your choice," he told me. "But if you leave, you must know, I will always be on your side. You are my friend forever."

      Sahin completed his move to the Bernabeu in May 2011.

      How did Klopp react?

      Pretty well. Having showed his human side during his conversation with Sahin, Klopp and Dortmund displayed their eye for a player that summer.

      Ilkay Gundogan was the man they chose to replace him. At the time he was a 20-year-old playing with Nuremberg in the German Second Division. He would swiftly establish himself as a mainstay at Dortmund, playing a big role as they defended their Bundesliga title in 2011/12, adding the German Cup for good measure.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Sahin's move to Spain didn't work out. He spent just one season at Real, making 10 appearances. In August 2012 he was snapped up on loan by Liverpool, but that deal was cut short in January 2013 after a dozen outings and three goals.

      He returned to Dortmund, initially on an 18-month loan. That move was made permanent in 2014, though he has not regained anything like his best form since.


      Shinji Kagawa - 2012



      What happened?


      Another key figure of Klopp's golden era at Dortmund, Japan international Kagawa was instrumental in their back-to-back Bundesliga successes of 2011 and 2012.

      But like Sahin before him, the lure of one of Europe's big boys proved too great. He'd cost just €350,000 when signing from Cerezo Osaka, but Manchester United paid £12m to take him to the Premier League.

      “Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing,” moaned Klopp a year into Kagawa's Old Trafford career.

      “My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji’s best role. He’s an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw.

      “But for most Japanese people it means more to play for Man United than Dortmund. We cried for 20 minutes, in each other’s arms, when he left.”

      How did Klopp react?

      Well, after the tears subsided, he did pretty well! He picked up a young, talented attacker from Borussia Monchengladbach called Marco Reus, and guided Dortmund to the final of the Champions League in 2013.

      They lost unfortunately to Bayern – arguably the beginning of the end for Klopp at Signal Iduna Park – and finished second to the Bavarians in the Bundesliga. Reus, though, would become one of Europe's stars.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Like Sahin, his big move didn't work out as planned. Kagawa did win a Premier League medal in his first season at United, but struggled to find the kind of form he had shown at Dortmund.

      His second season at Old Trafford saw him fail to score in 30 appearances, and he returned to Germany on deadline day in August 2014.

      Since then, he's made a further 133 appearances for Dortmund, scoring 29 times and winning a German Cup in 2017.


      Mario Gotze - 2013


      What happened?

      A day after Dortmund's epic Champions League quarter final win over Malaga, Jürgen Klopp was brought crashing back down to earth.

      “I had one day of happiness,” he would later reflect. “And then somebody thought ‘enough, go back down on the floor.’”

      The reason? Mario Gotze.

      Klopp, still riding the emotions of the previous night’s triumph, had arrived at Dortmund’s Brackel training ground the following morning to be greeted by Michael Zorc, his sporting director.

      “He looked like someone had died,” he recalled. “He said....I have to tell you something.”

      The news was a dagger blow. Gotze, Dortmund’s bright young thing and the home-grown beacon of an emerging force, was leaving. For Bayern Munich.

      The Bavarians had activated a €37m release clause in Gotze’s contract. He would move to Munich that summer, having been at Dortmund since the age of eight. It was, Klopp, said “like a heart attack.” He would later compare Bayern to a James Bond villain.

      “Michael asked if I wanted to talk and I said: ‘No, I have to go',” he added. “That evening my wife was waiting because there’s a very good German actor, and a good friend, Wotan Wilke Möhring, in a new film in Essen and we were invited to the premiere.

      “But I walked in and told her: ‘No chance. I cannot speak. It’s not possible to take me out tonight.’ There were all these calls from the club – we should meet in a restaurant and speak. I said: ‘No, I have to be on my own.’ Tomorrow I’ll be back in the race – but not tonight.

      How did Klopp react?


      Well, he missed the premiere for starters. And he revealed he had spoken to “six or seven” Dortmund players who were “damaged in the heart.”

      “They thought they were not good enough,” he said. “And they wanted to win together. That’s the reason it hurt them so much. But Bayern told Mario: ‘It’s now or never.’”

      Klopp's replacement was signed at Liverpool's expense, Henrikh Mkhitaryan costing around €25m. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was also picked up that summer at a cost of €13m, with defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos also signed.

      All three would go on to become big players, though Dortmund would finish 19 points adrift of Pep Guardiola's Bayern, and would lose to Real Madrid in the quarter finals of the Champions League.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Mixed, to say the least. Gotze's first season at Bayern brought a Bundesliga title and 15 goals, and ended with him scoring the winner in the biggest game of all – the World Cup final.

      He scored on his first return to Signal Iduna Park with Bayern, but his later years at the Allianz Arena were plagued by injury and loss of form. He missed a penalty against Dortmund during a shootout defeat in the German Cup semi finals in April 2015, and his final season in Bavaria brought just 21 appearances.

      He returned to Dortmund in 2016, having been courted by Klopp and Liverpool. In early March 2017, however, it was revealed he had been suffering from a metabolic disorder. It was later found out to be myopathy, a muscular disorder which affects the fibres in the muscles meaning they do not function correctly.

      He returned to action a few months later, and has made 15 appearances so far this season.


      Robert Lewandowski - 2014

      What happened?

      Another of Dortmund's best signings under Klopp, the striker scored 103 goals in 187 appearances but by 2013 was being openly courted by Bayern Munich.

      Lewandowski pushed for a move following the Champions League final at Wembley, but was denied the move. In November 2013 he confirmed that he would sign a pre-contract agreement with Bayern, moving on a free transfer at the end of that season.

      His final season at Dortmund brought 28 goals in 48 appearances. His final game for Dortmund was the 2014 German Cup final – a defeat against Bayern.

      How did Klopp react?

      He spent money. Italy international Ciro Immobile was the man Dortmund went for, paying a sizeable fee to take the striker from Torino.

      Adrian Ramos, Shinji Kagawa, Nuri Sahin and Mattias Ginter were also brought in as Klopp attempted to keep pace with Bayern. They were unable to do so, Dortmund finishing seventh in the Bundesliga having been bottom at the halfway stage. They were also beaten in the final of the German Cup by Wolfsburg and exited the Champions League at the last 16 stage to Juventus.

      Immobile managed just three Bundesliga goals and Ramos two, although Aubameyang emerged as the like-for-like replacement for Lewandowski with 23 in all competitions.

      As for Klopp, this would prove to be his final campaign as Dortmund boss. He announced his departure at an emotional press conference in April 2015.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      He's become arguably the world's best No.9. His record at Bayern is absurd – 131 goals in 173 games – and he has won three successive Bundesliga crowns.

      With Poland, he was also the top scorer in qualifying for both Euro 2016 and the 2018 World Cup, his international record standing at 51 goals in 91 caps.




      The gaffer has been here before and dealt with it, this is not his first trip around the block in these matters....Players come and players go but he knows what he's doing.

      Irellevent. He's taken a huge gamble with the club's future this season. If he gets away with it then fine but if he doesn't, and if he refuses to go out and get a replacement this month, for me his position becomes untenable.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15607: Jan 08, 2018 10:39:40 pm
      Irellevent. He's taken a huge gamble with the club's future this season. If he gets away with it then fine but if he doesn't, and if he refuses to go out and get a replacement this month, for me his position becomes untenable.

      Got any other suggestions for managers? No?

      Jürgen will probably survive no matter what happens.
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      Reply #15608: Jan 08, 2018 10:43:11 pm
      Irellevent. He's taken a huge gamble with the club's future this season. If he gets away with it then fine but if he doesn't, and if he refuses to go out and get a replacement this month, for me his position becomes untenable.

      You mean Michael Edwards has, right?
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      Reply #15609: Jan 08, 2018 10:44:19 pm
      Irellevent. He's taken a huge gamble with the club's future this season. If he gets away with it then fine but if he doesn't, and if he refuses to go out and get a replacement this month, for me his position becomes untenable.

      To be clear - IF we don’t get a replacement you’d sack the boss?
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      Reply #15610: Jan 08, 2018 10:53:19 pm
      Irellevent. He's taken a huge gamble with the club's future this season. If he gets away with it then fine but if he doesn't, and if he refuses to go out and get a replacement this month, for me his position becomes untenable.

      Over Coutinho. Seriously? After all we know about what went on.
      Right now would say it's 50/50 we get someone in to 'replace him', but still think would have to be something spectacular to go wrong for his position to become untenable come summer.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15611: Jan 08, 2018 10:58:31 pm
      You mean Michael Edwards has, right?

      Does he F**k he’s been after binning Jürgen since September was a bit shitty.....
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15612: Jan 08, 2018 11:04:33 pm
      Mental that people are calling for the managers head.

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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15613: Jan 08, 2018 11:04:35 pm
      Does he f**k he’s been after binning Jürgen since September was a bit shitty.....

      Ah he's one of them is he?

      Michael Edwards has today been appointed as Liverpool Football Club's sporting director.


      The 37-year-old is being promoted into a newly-created role as part of a restructuring of the football operations. Edwards will now lead the club’s overall football development, including player identification, acquisitions, sales and retention, as well as taking primary responsibility for reviewing and implementing improvements to the training ground environment and infrastructure
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      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/241881-reds-appoint-michael-edwards-as-sporting-director

      Or did Klopp wang that on the official club website himself so that he's got somebody to blame.

      Some right F***ing weirdos on the Internet.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15614: Jan 08, 2018 11:05:17 pm
      Some mental people are calling for the managers head.



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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15615: Jan 08, 2018 11:05:25 pm
      To be clear - IF we don’t get a replacement you’d sack the boss?

      I sure hope someone wouldn’t claim that sort of statement......
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      Reply #15616: Jan 08, 2018 11:18:55 pm
      Tears, trophies and transfers - How Jürgen Klopp dealt with big name departures and what it means for Liverpool


      What Klopp's reaction is remains to be seen but Klopp has been here before

      The saga is over, finally.

      Philippe Coutinho is gone, his move to Barcelona done and dusted, the Spaniards' lengthy and at-times brazen pursuit complete.


      Liverpool bank a fair chunk of money - £105m up front, more to come via add-ons – but now have the unenviable task of replacing the Brazilian. It won't be easy.

      Speaking on Saturday, Reds boss Jürgen Klopp Klopp told fans the club had done “everything within our means” to keep the 25-year-old at Anfield, but that Coutinho had been “insistent” that the move happened immediately.

      In a lengthy statement posted on the club's official website, Klopp also insisted that Liverpool would “absorb” the loss of their star man.

      “Players will come and players will go, that is football,” he said. “But as a club we are big enough and strong enough to continue with our aggressive progression on the pitch, even when we lose an important player.

      “We have never been in a better position in recent times, as a club, to react in the right way.”

      What that reaction will be remains to be seen, of course, but Klopp has been here before. His latter years at Borussia Dortmund were marked by significant player departures.

      Here's how he handled them...

      Nuri Sahin - 2011

      What happened?

      Sahin was one of the key figures of Klopp's first Bundesliga title win in 2011.

      But soon after that success, the Turkish international was approached by Real Madrid and made the decision to leave Dortmund.

      Speaking last summer, Sahin revealed the conversation he had with Klopp ahead of that move.

      "Nuri, it is your choice," he told me. "But if you leave, you must know, I will always be on your side. You are my friend forever."

      Sahin completed his move to the Bernabeu in May 2011.

      How did Klopp react?

      Pretty well. Having showed his human side during his conversation with Sahin, Klopp and Dortmund displayed their eye for a player that summer.

      Ilkay Gundogan was the man they chose to replace him. At the time he was a 20-year-old playing with Nuremberg in the German Second Division. He would swiftly establish himself as a mainstay at Dortmund, playing a big role as they defended their Bundesliga title in 2011/12, adding the German Cup for good measure.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Sahin's move to Spain didn't work out. He spent just one season at Real, making 10 appearances. In August 2012 he was snapped up on loan by Liverpool, but that deal was cut short in January 2013 after a dozen outings and three goals.

      He returned to Dortmund, initially on an 18-month loan. That move was made permanent in 2014, though he has not regained anything like his best form since.


      Shinji Kagawa - 2012



      What happened?


      Another key figure of Klopp's golden era at Dortmund, Japan international Kagawa was instrumental in their back-to-back Bundesliga successes of 2011 and 2012.

      But like Sahin before him, the lure of one of Europe's big boys proved too great. He'd cost just €350,000 when signing from Cerezo Osaka, but Manchester United paid £12m to take him to the Premier League.

      “Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing,” moaned Klopp a year into Kagawa's Old Trafford career.

      “My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji’s best role. He’s an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw.

      “But for most Japanese people it means more to play for Man United than Dortmund. We cried for 20 minutes, in each other’s arms, when he left.”

      How did Klopp react?

      Well, after the tears subsided, he did pretty well! He picked up a young, talented attacker from Borussia Monchengladbach called Marco Reus, and guided Dortmund to the final of the Champions League in 2013.

      They lost unfortunately to Bayern – arguably the beginning of the end for Klopp at Signal Iduna Park – and finished second to the Bavarians in the Bundesliga. Reus, though, would become one of Europe's stars.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Like Sahin, his big move didn't work out as planned. Kagawa did win a Premier League medal in his first season at United, but struggled to find the kind of form he had shown at Dortmund.

      His second season at Old Trafford saw him fail to score in 30 appearances, and he returned to Germany on deadline day in August 2014.

      Since then, he's made a further 133 appearances for Dortmund, scoring 29 times and winning a German Cup in 2017.


      Mario Gotze - 2013


      What happened?

      A day after Dortmund's epic Champions League quarter final win over Malaga, Jürgen Klopp was brought crashing back down to earth.

      “I had one day of happiness,” he would later reflect. “And then somebody thought ‘enough, go back down on the floor.’”

      The reason? Mario Gotze.

      Klopp, still riding the emotions of the previous night’s triumph, had arrived at Dortmund’s Brackel training ground the following morning to be greeted by Michael Zorc, his sporting director.

      “He looked like someone had died,” he recalled. “He said....I have to tell you something.”

      The news was a dagger blow. Gotze, Dortmund’s bright young thing and the home-grown beacon of an emerging force, was leaving. For Bayern Munich.

      The Bavarians had activated a €37m release clause in Gotze’s contract. He would move to Munich that summer, having been at Dortmund since the age of eight. It was, Klopp, said “like a heart attack.” He would later compare Bayern to a James Bond villain.

      “Michael asked if I wanted to talk and I said: ‘No, I have to go',” he added. “That evening my wife was waiting because there’s a very good German actor, and a good friend, Wotan Wilke Möhring, in a new film in Essen and we were invited to the premiere.

      “But I walked in and told her: ‘No chance. I cannot speak. It’s not possible to take me out tonight.’ There were all these calls from the club – we should meet in a restaurant and speak. I said: ‘No, I have to be on my own.’ Tomorrow I’ll be back in the race – but not tonight.

      How did Klopp react?


      Well, he missed the premiere for starters. And he revealed he had spoken to “six or seven” Dortmund players who were “damaged in the heart.”

      “They thought they were not good enough,” he said. “And they wanted to win together. That’s the reason it hurt them so much. But Bayern told Mario: ‘It’s now or never.’”

      Klopp's replacement was signed at Liverpool's expense, Henrikh Mkhitaryan costing around €25m. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was also picked up that summer at a cost of €13m, with defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos also signed.

      All three would go on to become big players, though Dortmund would finish 19 points adrift of Pep Guardiola's Bayern, and would lose to Real Madrid in the quarter finals of the Champions League.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Mixed, to say the least. Gotze's first season at Bayern brought a Bundesliga title and 15 goals, and ended with him scoring the winner in the biggest game of all – the World Cup final.

      He scored on his first return to Signal Iduna Park with Bayern, but his later years at the Allianz Arena were plagued by injury and loss of form. He missed a penalty against Dortmund during a shootout defeat in the German Cup semi finals in April 2015, and his final season in Bavaria brought just 21 appearances.

      He returned to Dortmund in 2016, having been courted by Klopp and Liverpool. In early March 2017, however, it was revealed he had been suffering from a metabolic disorder. It was later found out to be myopathy, a muscular disorder which affects the fibres in the muscles meaning they do not function correctly.

      He returned to action a few months later, and has made 15 appearances so far this season.


      Robert Lewandowski - 2014

      What happened?

      Another of Dortmund's best signings under Klopp, the striker scored 103 goals in 187 appearances but by 2013 was being openly courted by Bayern Munich.

      Lewandowski pushed for a move following the Champions League final at Wembley, but was denied the move. In November 2013 he confirmed that he would sign a pre-contract agreement with Bayern, moving on a free transfer at the end of that season.

      His final season at Dortmund brought 28 goals in 48 appearances. His final game for Dortmund was the 2014 German Cup final – a defeat against Bayern.

      How did Klopp react?

      He spent money. Italy international Ciro Immobile was the man Dortmund went for, paying a sizeable fee to take the striker from Torino.

      Adrian Ramos, Shinji Kagawa, Nuri Sahin and Mattias Ginter were also brought in as Klopp attempted to keep pace with Bayern. They were unable to do so, Dortmund finishing seventh in the Bundesliga having been bottom at the halfway stage. They were also beaten in the final of the German Cup by Wolfsburg and exited the Champions League at the last 16 stage to Juventus.

      Immobile managed just three Bundesliga goals and Ramos two, although Aubameyang emerged as the like-for-like replacement for Lewandowski with 23 in all competitions.

      As for Klopp, this would prove to be his final campaign as Dortmund boss. He announced his departure at an emotional press conference in April 2015.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      He's become arguably the world's best No.9. His record at Bayern is absurd – 131 goals in 173 games – and he has won three successive Bundesliga crowns.

      With Poland, he was also the top scorer in qualifying for both Euro 2016 and the 2018 World Cup, his international record standing at 51 goals in 91 caps.




      The gaffer has been here before and dealt with it, this is not his first trip around the block in these matters....Players come and players go but he knows what he's doing.

      Geez he reacted well to all of them, bought quality replacements, hope the same can be said this time. I trust Jürgen will find a beauty out there.

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