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      Pre Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Nov 06, 2015 10:12:26 am
      After our excellent performance against Rubin, on Sunday we host Alan Pardew's Crystal Palace.

      They sit 1 point and 2 positions below us, in 10th.

      Palace have been our bogey side since they won promotion 2 seasons ago, and last season they beat us 3-1 at Anfield.

      This season we are going to be a much harder side to beat. We have confidence and are looking solid at the back.

      I don't expect there will be many changes from the Rubin game:

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      Clyne
      Skrtel (c)
      Sakho
      Moreno

      Lucas
      Emre Can

      Ibe
      Coutinho
      Lallana

      Benteke

      Subs: Bogdan; Lovren, Toure; Milner, Allen; Firmino; Origi.

      I think Milner needs a rest and I think it will be hard not to start Ibe after his performance last night.

      If Milner is rested I expect either Skrtel, Lucas or Sakho will captain the side.

      I'm confident about this game, although Palace are a strong side I think we will win this 2-0 - Benteke and Coutinho with the goals.
      « Last Edit: Nov 08, 2015 02:27:58 pm by JD, Reason: Spelt Crystal wrong. »
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #1: Nov 06, 2015 01:12:13 pm
                    Mignolet
      Clyne  Skrtel  Sahko  Moreno
                    Lucas
           Milner(c) Coutinho
        Firmino             Lallana
                   Benteke

      Subs: Bogdan, Lovren, Can, Allen, Ibe, Sinclair, Origi.

      Prediction: 3-0 (Clean Sheet)
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #2: Nov 06, 2015 02:05:35 pm
      A bit of a dilemna do we risk Lucas who is one card away from a ban and he will miss the City game. Looking at the pace of the Palace front 3 that is almost certain.....
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #3: Nov 06, 2015 02:33:39 pm
      A bit of a dilemna do we risk Lucas who is one card away from a ban and he will miss the City game. Looking at the pace of the Palace front 3 that is almost certain.....

      I hope we play our strongest team and go for it, deal with who we have available for City when it arrives.

      Really looking forward to this game, Palace's pacey frontline will be a real test for the back four but they are looking more and more solid every game. Will be nice to se Benteke from the start in the PL too
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #4: Nov 06, 2015 02:57:55 pm
      A bit of a dilemna do we risk Lucas who is one card away from a ban and he will miss the City game. Looking at the pace of the Palace front 3 that is almost certain.....

      Lets worry about the 3 points on Sunday and then the rest. I would play him cos 3 points from this fixture is vital in many aspects. I hope Dwight 'destined-to-score-against-us' Gayle is as silent as he has been this season and the Bolasie-Puncheon-Zaha axis is a bit annoying as well. Quite some tracking back to do for our wingers and full backs cos of their pace and Lucas should be busy with Cabaye. I would play

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      Clyne-Skrtel-Sakho-Moreno
      Can-Lucas
      Milner-Coutinho-Lallana
      Benteke

      Subs- Bogdan, Lovren, Brannagan, Allen, Firmino, Ibe, Origi
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #5: Nov 06, 2015 03:12:13 pm
      A world away from end of last season when I think we all thought we would struggle. Now I think we can turn this lot over.

      Over rated manager and players, but they are doing ok.

      Don't like this lot, they never show us any respect as a club and I would f**king love to smash them 9-0 again
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #6: Nov 06, 2015 03:13:39 pm
      A bit of a dilemna do we risk Lucas who is one card away from a ban and he will miss the City game. Looking at the pace of the Palace front 3 that is almost certain.....

      No dilemma at all. Lucas plays, if he gets a card he gets a card. Despite the brilliance of Jürgen getting a result at Citeh is going to be a tough ask in any case, pointless resting players for a game we should win so they can play in a game we really probably won't.
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #7: Nov 06, 2015 03:29:42 pm
      Very tough game, Palace can't be underestimated. They are on of those teams that can beat anybody on their day, but also lose to anybody too.

      Mignolet

      Clyne
      Skrtel
      Sakho
      Moreno

      Can
      Lucas

      Coutinho
      Firmino
      Lallana

      Benteke
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #8: Nov 06, 2015 04:25:41 pm
      Cut off the passes to Bolassie, we should be ok.
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #9: Nov 06, 2015 04:28:34 pm
      No dilemma at all. Lucas plays, if he gets a card he gets a card. Despite the brilliance of Jürgen getting a result at Citeh is going to be a tough ask in any case, pointless resting players for a game we should win so they can play in a game we really probably won't.

      we just play our strongest side for every game and lets see where it gets us
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #10: Nov 06, 2015 04:45:18 pm
      Buvac the Brain will set up us up for this one.

      Squeeze their wingers and turn them inside .
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #11: Nov 06, 2015 05:35:08 pm
      Haven't been impressed by Can lately and Milner is as poor as they come so this is how I'd set up:

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      Clyne
      Skrtel
      Sakho (c)
      Moreno

      Lucas
      Allen

      Ibe
      Firmino
      Coutinho

      Benteke
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #12: Nov 06, 2015 05:53:40 pm
      Haven't been impressed by Can lately and Milner is as poor as they come

      Wouldn't be against Allen or Milner being tried in Can's position, but where Can lacks in footballing ability, he makes up for it in his physicality and adds that steel and presence in the middle. Difficult choice until Hendo is back imo.
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #13: Nov 06, 2015 05:54:35 pm
      Firmino earned a spot as a starter, in my opinion. Milner should be benched.
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #14: Nov 06, 2015 06:32:12 pm
      I too haven't been that impressed by emre and also feel that Milner is just trying too hard and is perhaps looking quite battered.

      Agree that it's a tough one until we have more options back from injury.
      Would like to see Lucas and Allen.

      Up front I think Ibe has to play just to see whether the goal in midweek has drastically improved his confidence.

      The back 4 is a easy pick.

      Palace are a dangerous team. Can beat anyone on their day.

      Would be happy for a scoreless draw but hoping for 2-0 to us. 
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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #15: Nov 06, 2015 08:20:05 pm
      No game from now until the end of the season is gonna be easy, home or away..
      I just feel a lot more confident going in to games with the knowledge Jürgen Klopp is our manager and has the capability to overturn teams and make them look normal..
      He's done it in every game in charge of us so far and i don't see things being any different on Sunday.

      Our lads are sticking their chests out now when the shirt goes on.

      Yes I agree Palace have bestowed Karma on us since we smashed them 9-0 all the those years ago but Jürgen won't be arsed about flicking through the history books to suss out their game.. It's Pardew that has to suss out our game !

      It's another packed Anfield full of rising spirit and hope and I can't wait for it..

      My only concern is Lucas picking up another yellow. which I think we know he will ;D, and knackering his chances of playing against Man City, when we will really need him in that midfield getting stuck in..

      Normal 2-0 win for me..maybe 3..



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      Re: Liverpool v Cystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #16: Nov 06, 2015 09:08:15 pm
      I'd expect pretty much the same side we've been playing recently.  The only toss up for me is between Milner or Can for the CM role next to Lucas.  I'd opt for Can because of his physicality and strength on the defensive side of the ball.

      Migs
      Clyne - Skrtel - Sakho - Moreno
      Lucas - Can
      Lallana - Firmino - Coutinho
      Benteke

      We've looked much more solid defensively,  and I'd expect that team to get at least 1 goal, so I'll plop for a 1-0 win.

      If we do manage to win this game (which we should) we will really appear to have turned a corner under Klopp!!! 7 games unbeaten with 4 wins on the trot is pretty damn impressive, no matter who the opposition is.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #17: Nov 06, 2015 09:35:06 pm
      Not sure why so many people are advocating Milner in midfield, he is just ok out wide and to think he has anything to offer in the middle of the park where you need  a higher level of technical ability.

      His only role is out wide or the bench.
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      Reply #18: Nov 06, 2015 09:48:40 pm
      Not sure why so many people are advocating Milner in midfield, he is just ok out wide and to think he has anything to offer in the middle of the park where you need  a higher level of technical ability.

      His only role is out wide or the bench.

      The problem is that outside of Hendo and Lucas, we don't have anyone with a "higher level of technical ability" capable of playing CM....   :-\
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #19: Nov 06, 2015 09:55:30 pm
      The problem is that outside of Hendo and Lucas, we don't have anyone with a "higher level of technical ability" capable of playing CM....   :-\

      Actually we do mate, Texeira can play CM.  I know he's more attack minded than Can but he's disciplined enough to play there.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #20: Nov 06, 2015 10:06:54 pm
      Actually we do mate, Texeira can play CM.  I know he's more attack minded than Can but he's disciplined enough to play there.

      Fully agree Tex would do a job as a CM he certainly has the technical ability.

      Even though I am not his biggest fan after last night and the way Klopp seems to be getting the best out the players Allen is more suited to playing alongside Lucas than Milner.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #21: Nov 06, 2015 10:25:18 pm
      Not sure why so many people are advocating Milner in midfield, he is just ok out wide and to think he has anything to offer in the middle of the park where you need  a higher level of technical ability.

      His only role is out wide or the bench.

      The way I see it with the midfielders we have, Lucas needs tenacious and hard working players next to him to thrive. Can, Milner, Hendo and Allen are industrial players and cover a hell of a lot of ground that Lucas can't, which in turn allows him to be more of a focal point in the deep central areas where technical ability is more predominant.

      So whilst Milner isn't the greatest technically, I still feel he is the better player over Can and possibly Allen in the middle.

      Fully agree Tex would do a job as a CM he certainly has the technical ability.

      But with Tex playing along side Lucas, would that not require Lucas to play more as a traditional DM?
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #22: Nov 06, 2015 10:38:48 pm
      Actually we do mate, Texeira can play CM.  I know he's more attack minded than Can but he's disciplined enough to play there.

      Perhaps. I just feel we have enough creativity from our trio of attacking mids. A big part of our recent improvement has been down to our defensive solidity. I think playing Can next to Lucas has been a major factor in that.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #23: Nov 06, 2015 10:41:03 pm
      The way I see it with the midfielders we have, Lucas needs tenacious and hard working players next to him to thrive. Can, Milner, Hendo and Allen are industrial players and cover a hell of a lot of ground that Lucas can't, which in turn allows him to be more of a focal point in the deep central areas where technical ability is more predominant.

      So whilst Milner isn't the greatest technically, I still feel he is the better player over Can and possibly Allen in the middle.

      But with Tex playing along side Lucas, would that not require Lucas to play more as a traditional DM?

      You make very good valid points, the way I see Lucas playing at the moment is as the first pivot in midfield and Obviously Can has been the second pivot.
      So I don't see Lucas as our primary distributor to the front 3 and that's without including Sakho who more often than not completely cuts out the midfield with his passing.

      In my opinion Lucas has been dictating the play from the back not in terms of his great passing but when to pass forward or if it needs sideways.

      So as a second pivot in midfield alongside Lucas I want someone who can take a ball in a tight space control it with one touch, dribble forward and obviously make a pass when it's on.
      Unfortunately I don't think Milner has that skill set.
       
      I have been hugely sceptical of Can in midfield and I still am but I am giving him the benefit of doubt as he is young and his decision making is not going to be his strong point.

      « Last Edit: Nov 06, 2015 11:02:15 pm by HScRed1 »
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #24: Nov 06, 2015 10:43:22 pm
      Fully agree Tex would do a job as a CM he certainly has the technical ability.

      Even though I am not his biggest fan after last night and the way Klopp seems to be getting the best out the players Allen is more suited to playing alongside Lucas than Milner.

      I think Allen is probably the obvious choice to bring in but he's not as nice to look at as Tex so my choice isn't necessarily for footballing reasons   :D
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #25: Nov 06, 2015 10:46:40 pm
      I think Allen is probably the obvious choice to bring in but he's not as nice to look at as Tex so my choice isn't necessarily for footballing reasons   :D

      Can't argue there.  :D
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #26: Nov 06, 2015 10:51:11 pm
      Perhaps. I just feel we have enough creativity from our trio of attacking mids. A big part of our recent improvement has been down to our defensive solidity. I think playing Can next to Lucas has been a major factor in that.

      See my post above mate but yes I agree on the defence. 

      Although I'm not quite sure about Cans quality just yet, I also feel he's played his part well enough in recent games so unless we have someone who can do his job better, I'd leave well alone.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #27: Nov 06, 2015 11:15:52 pm
      Mignolet

      Clyne  Skrtel  Sakho  Moreno

      Lucas  Can

      Lallana  Firmino  Coutinho

      Benteke
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #28: Nov 06, 2015 11:30:41 pm
      4-0. 2 in first half two in second. Standing ovation at the end.
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      Reply #29: Nov 07, 2015 01:50:28 am
      Mignolet; Clyne,Sakho(C),Skrtel,Moreno; Can,Lucas; Ibe,Coutinho,Firmino; Benteke



      I know Lucas is a booking away from missing the City game but it's a risk we need to take in playing him. We've struggled against Palace lately but that was under Rodgers so we can't think about that anymore we've got a new and better manager in charge now so let them worry about us and our plans instead of the other way around. 3-1 Benteke,Coutinho,Can; Gayle scoring against us because he always does.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #30: Nov 07, 2015 04:32:06 am
      They are setup to play on the counter. Were at home and won't be sitting back. Would love to see us just blow the bloody doors off.

                              Migs
      Clyne   Skrtel     Sakho    Moreno
                             Lucas
      Ibe      Firmino    Coutinho  Lallana
                            Benteke
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #31: Nov 07, 2015 07:20:38 am
      Mignolet

      Clyne  Skrtel  Sakho  Moreno

      Lucas  Can

      Lallana  Firmino  Coutinho

      Benteke


      This is what I'd put out against Palace, we are a different animal now under Klopp and I believe they will struggle with our high pressing we're gonna F**k you over football,
      We'll be solid defensively. Dominant in midfield and threatening going forward, 

      They rely too much on Bolasie, Cabaye and that f***in pikie Gayle for their past  triumphs, but won't happen this time,

      I think if we set our stall out properly which I think is a given these days it's perfectly reasonable to suggest we can hand out a proper f***in battering,

      3-0 mighty Reds,  at least,  Benteke, Coutinho and Firmino bagging the Crown jewels,

      The Klopp revolution continues


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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #32: Nov 07, 2015 12:43:10 pm
      Mignolet

      Clyne  Skrtel  Sakho  Moreno

      Lucas  Can

      Lallana  Firmino  Coutinho

      Benteke
      I like most of that but I am not such a fan of Lucas, against Chelsea he almost gifted a goal away and could have been sent off. I know a lot of people see Milner as a more forward player but I think he could play alongside Can. Even when winning games it is a mistake not to act on things that could have gone against us if our luck was different.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #33: Nov 07, 2015 12:52:38 pm
      I like most of that but I am not such a fan of Lucas, against Chelsea he almost gifted a goal away and could have been sent off. I know a lot of people see Milner as a more forward player but I think he could play alongside Can. Even when winning games it is a mistake not to act on things that could have gone against us if our luck was different.

      Are you crazy? Lucas is our most in form player! He is on fire and you want to drop him?!
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #34: Nov 07, 2015 12:56:30 pm
      Think this as always will be tougher than expected. They often come at us late on and get something from the game.
      Now that tw*t Pardew saying that B.R. had us heading for 4th place, trying to play down the effect Klopp has had on the side, and the improvement we have made. If he thinks he's gonna face the same insipid side that he has previously, he's got a big surprise coming. Same players, collectively a different beast.
      Still be a tough game, they all are, but Pardews psychology effort is gonna have little effect.  We may tire a tad towards the end, but our defence is so more organised and positive now, I'm gonna go for 3 - 1 the red men !
      Nobody's perfect, and I don't expect we'll win every game to the end of the season. The wheels will fall off temporarily at some stage, thats for sure, I just don't think it will be tomorrow. C.O.Y.M.R.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #35: Nov 07, 2015 01:02:58 pm
      Are you crazy? Lucas is our most in form player! He is on fire and you want to drop him?!
      I hardly call Lucas in form. It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #36: Nov 07, 2015 01:11:47 pm
      I hardly call Lucas in form. It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.

      Yes he rode his luck. But watch his positioning and passage of play in the last 6 games... He genuinely keeps the ball moving and offers superb protection to the back 4.

      F***ing love him and first name on the team sheet for me.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #37: Nov 07, 2015 01:14:21 pm
      I hardly call Lucas in form. It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.

      Slagging off Lucas and kissing Hodgson's arse. You love to be different don't you :D
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #38: Nov 07, 2015 01:18:19 pm
      I like most of that but I am not such a fan of Lucas, against Chelsea he almost gifted a goal away and could have been sent off. I know a lot of people see Milner as a more forward player but I think he could play alongside Can. Even when winning games it is a mistake not to act on things that could have gone against us if our luck was different.

      The manager unlike your goodself, is a fan of Lucas Leiva thankfully and his faith in the player has been shown to be justified with performances that have contributed to the side's improvement.
      There is a good chance you are talking out of your arse my friend.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #39: Nov 07, 2015 01:22:00 pm
      They are setup to play on the counter. Were at home and won't be sitting back. Would love to see us just blow the bloody doors off.

                              Migs
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                             Lucas
      Ibe      Firmino    Coutinho  Lallana
                            Benteke
      Better than having Can and Milner playing together at home...
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #40: Nov 07, 2015 01:24:49 pm
      I like most of that but I am not such a fan of Lucas, against Chelsea he almost gifted a goal away and could have been sent off. I know a lot of people see Milner as a more forward player but I think he could play alongside Can. Even when winning games it is a mistake not to act on things that could have gone against us if our luck was different.
      We should be thanking our lucky stars that Lucas didn't leave in the summer, along with Sako player of the season so far

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      Reply #41: Nov 07, 2015 02:35:59 pm
      I like most of that but I am not such a fan of Lucas, against Chelsea he almost gifted a goal away and could have been sent off. I know a lot of people see Milner as a more forward player but I think he could play alongside Can. Even when winning games it is a mistake not to act on things that could have gone against us if our luck was different.



      Are you having a f***in giraffe mate, jeez, you must still be in Brendan mode, Oi, wake up sonny, we have a different manager don't you know,

      Unless your Stevie Wonder, everyone to a man can see that under Jürgen Lucas arguably has been our most improved player, he was heading for the exit door had Brendan remained, he could have already have left, now look at him, I'd argue he's almost back to his best with the exception he may have lost some pace due to his injuries and age,

      his contributions thus far have been as close to perfect as you can get, you talk of him as been a liability, but his performances has allowed the likes of Can, Milner, Lallana and especially Coutinho do what they do best, DDDWWW tells you all you need to know,

      Milner alongside Can ?  Really, come on Riba, stop talking out of your Jobby Lobby !


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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #42: Nov 07, 2015 02:47:33 pm
      another day to look forward to Liverpool playing its feels very much like the early days of Rafa lots of energy around the place.
      I really want us to win this one because of their manager is a right jumpe dup little pr**k and we owe them a hiding.
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      Reply #43: Nov 07, 2015 03:09:18 pm


      Are you having a f***in giraffe mate, jeez, you must still be in Brendan mode, Oi, wake up sonny, we have a different manager don't you know,

      Unless your Stevie Wonder, everyone to a man can see that under Jürgen Lucas arguably has been our most improved player, he was heading for the exit door had Brendan remained, he could have already have left, now look at him, I'd argue he's almost back to his best with the exception he may have lost some pace due to his injuries and age,

      his contributions thus far have been as close to perfect as you can get, you talk of him as been a liability, but his performances has allowed the likes of Can, Milner, Lallana and especially Coutinho do what they do best, DDDWWW tells you all you need to know,

      Milner alongside Can ?  Really, come on Riba, stop talking out of your Jobby Lobby !


      YNWA
      It depends on perspective. Lucas to me no matter how much he improves, unless he stops doing things that can cost in big games it could be a problem. It just so happened against Chelsea he got lucky on a couple of occasions. One time lucky to not be sent off and another time lucky after he was pickpocketed and mignolet made a brilliant save. At this level mistakes cost bigtime.
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      Reply #44: Nov 07, 2015 03:29:19 pm
      It depends on perspective. Lucas to me no matter how much he improves, unless he stops doing things that can cost in big games it could be a problem. It just so happened against Chelsea he got lucky on a couple of occasions. One time lucky to not be sent off and another time lucky after he was pickpocketed and mignolet made a brilliant save. At this level mistakes cost bigtime.


      Come on mate, I get Lucas may not be on your Xmas card list but to slate the bloke for making mistakes in big games is ridiculous, no one is perfect, most players make errors in big games, it's how you recover from those mistakes separates the great players from the not so great,

      The incident in the Chelsea game where you say he should have seen red, if you look at it again Ramirez was already on his way down when contact was made, that's why the Ref Mark Clusterfuck kept the red in his pocket, the yellow against Mikel was harsh imo,

      Like I said Lucas has been immense since Klopp took over, and long may it continue.


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      Reply #45: Nov 07, 2015 03:32:32 pm

      Come on mate, I get Lucas may not be on your Xmas card list but to slate the bloke for making mistakes in big games is ridiculous, no one is perfect, most players make errors in big games, it's how you recover from those mistakes separates the great players from the not so great,

      The incident in the Chelsea game where you say he should have seen red, if you look at it again Ramirez was already on his way down when contact was made, that's why the Ref Mark Clusterfuck kept the red in his pocket, the yellow against Mikel was harsh imo,

      Like I said Lucas has been immense since Klopp took over, and long may it continue.


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      count to ten mate take a deepth breath and move on.
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      Reply #46: Nov 07, 2015 03:35:32 pm
      count to ten mate take a deepth breath and move on.



      Advice taken Walton mate, already moving on, cheers N beers !


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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #47: Nov 07, 2015 11:28:38 pm
      I hardly call Lucas in form. It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.
      You are right to point out those two incidents - they are what stopped his performance from being a 10/10 - but he was the key reason we dominated Chelsea's midfield that day. He was still fantastic. The only reason to not play him tomorrow is because he collects more cards than whatever the name of the guy in Yu gi oh is called, and we don't want him to get the 5th card ban for city.
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      Reply #48: Nov 07, 2015 11:52:29 pm
      Remember Milan Baros scoring a hat trick against this lot 11 years back. 2 of them were penalties but we won 3-2 so hey ho!
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      Reply #49: Nov 07, 2015 11:53:08 pm
      Looking forward to another trip to Anfield tomorrow and hopefully another Klopp win...I'm almost half expecting him to tear off all the way down to the Kop when we score, such is his enthusiasm for LFC and boy how good is it to see  ;D

      Won't be easy against Palace tomorrow, but I hope we have enough in our locker to take another 3 points...keep riding that rollercoaster...do you wanna go any faster?? 'You bet I do'  :D

      Enjoy the game everyone and come on you mighty redmen  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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      Reply #50: Nov 08, 2015 05:51:43 am
      Anyone saying that Can gets dropped for Allen needs their head read!

      For all his mistakes, Emre provides physicality, drive and passion. Joe is a lightweight and opposing teams know it, and target him. He's a good squad player at best.

      Can should continue to improve and Klopp will surely over time, help him eradicate his dead-alley runs and him being too cute with the ball. Can possesses a great passing ability and on his day, a top shot.

      He's well built, good height and I can really see Jürgen mould him into a midfield beast.
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      Reply #51: Nov 08, 2015 09:51:29 am
      Anyone saying that Can gets dropped for Allen needs their head read!

      For all his mistakes, Emre provides physicality, drive and passion. Joe is a lightweight and opposing teams know it, and target him. He's a good squad player at best.

      Can should continue to improve and Klopp will surely over time, help him eradicate his dead-alley runs and him being too cute with the ball. Can possesses a great passing ability and on his day, a top shot.

      He's well built, good height and I can really see Jürgen mould him into a midfield beast.

      Agree. See him as a potential VC for the team .


      keep riding that rollercoaster...do you wanna go any faster?? 'You bet I do' 
      Enjoy the game everyone and come on you mighty redmen 

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      Reply #52: Nov 08, 2015 10:01:48 am
      I hardly call Lucas in form.   It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.

      Your posts are becoming increasingly bizarre. It is spiralling to such an extent that I am beginning to consider the possibility that you are either a) a wind up merchant or b) a nutter.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #53: Nov 08, 2015 10:08:56 am
      Just been looking at the table.

      We're 9th, we're playing the team that are 10th and even if we get a win and other results go our way the best we can end the day is 8th.  We can't afford any slip ups today because getting in to the top four already needs a good 4 or 5 game run.  Can't make it harder for ourselves.

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      Reply #54: Nov 08, 2015 10:23:24 am
      Just been looking at the table.

      We're 9th, we're playing the team that are 10th and even if we get a win and other results go our way the best we can end the day is 8th.  We can't afford any slip ups today because getting in to the top four already needs a good 4 or 5 game run.  Can't make it harder for ourselves.



      Very true. Not only that, when the players get back from poncing around in International friendlies we go to man City away, it would take a bit of an optimist to expect us to win there. that said, once we've been there our ridiculous opening run of fixtures will have seen us play (all away) Stoke, Spurs, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Everton and Chelsea. Brendan clearly didn't have any friends amongst the "fixture computer" guys, and we've got to assume things will get easier soon.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #55: Nov 08, 2015 10:33:08 am
      The thing I love most about the boss..........

      As a 45yr old father of 2..........getting that feeling back on a match day. You know the one where every minute up to k.o. feels like an hour and every hour like a day.

      It's like I'm the same age as my boys again and have that eternal optimism of youth again.

      WHY, oh why IS k.o SO far away?!?!
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #56: Nov 08, 2015 11:20:01 am
      Spuds v arse good for a draw, we beat palace and we move up a place and only be 1 behind spuds, and waiting to pounce and drag them back.
      Another must win game then !
      As for Rip and his assessment of Lucas!
      When did you last see an outfield player for ANYONE, play 90 mins without making a mistake . As for Migs saving him from costas shot, that's what he's there for you muppet, to stop shots.
      The other 89 mins, Lucas totally fu**ed up chavs midfield, that's why the cheating bas**rds were so determined to get him sent off.
      Think you may be more suited to watching a non contact sport like tennis or golf Rip.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #57: Nov 08, 2015 11:28:31 am
      Just been looking at the table.
      We're 9th, we're playing the team that are 10th and even if we get a win and other results go our way the best we can end the day is 8th.  We can't afford any slip ups today because getting in to the top four already needs a good 4 or 5 game run.  Can't make it harder for ourselves.

      MUST WIN GAME! We are doing the catch up now, no let up.
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      Reply #58: Nov 08, 2015 11:33:43 am
      The thing I love most about the boss..........

      As a 45yr old father of 2..........getting that feeling back on a match day. You know the one where every minute up to k.o. feels like an hour and every hour like a day.

      It's like I'm the same age as my boys again and have that eternal optimism of youth again.

      WHY, oh why IS k.o SO far away?!?!

      Love this post mate..like you I'm buzzing all week...has to be the Jürgen effect...because with Brendan it was like, what sh*t are we going to serve up today? Right now, I'm ready to jump on the field with the lads, get stuck in, and then get a hug of him once we've secured the 3 points.
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      Reply #59: Nov 08, 2015 11:39:34 am
      I hardly call Lucas in form. It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.
      He is without doubt our most in form player. By a country mile.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #60: Nov 08, 2015 11:44:39 am
      Squeeze their wingers and turn them inside .
      That's the key skip - Moreno & Clyne need to be on top here.
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      Reply #61: Nov 08, 2015 11:54:07 am
      Buvac the Brain will set up us up for this one.

      Squeeze their wingers and turn them inside .

      Squeeze their wingers to the outside.

      'Use the sideline like an additional defender'
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #62: Nov 08, 2015 12:02:25 pm
      Supposed team for today's game Mignolet – Clyne, Škrtel, Sakho, Moreno – Emre Can, Lucas – Ibe, Lallana, Coutinho – Benteke.

      No surprises apart from maybe Firmino being the one to miss out.

      I think this may be Jurgens toughest test so far, to win this game we need to take our chances. I think we will... 2-0 would be a good  result.   
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #63: Nov 08, 2015 12:03:52 pm
      He is without doubt our most in form player. By a country mile.


      I hardly call Lucas in form. It is crazy to say he is our most in form player. Riding his luck on getting a red card and getting pick pocketed by Costa and almost costing us a goal is not on form, I would say Mignolet was on form after Lucas made that mistake. A player can do 50 things right in a game but if you're going to do one or two things wrong, they can't be as major as that and still class that player as in form. All this stuff happened shortly after Coutinho's first goal so go back and watch the Chelsea game if you don't know what I am on about.

      He is without doubt our most in form player. By a country mile.


      Seconded.

      Without Lucas - Phil wouldn't have been able to do what he did last week.

      Outstanding - love the kid. Would hate to see him in anything but Liverpool Red now.
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #64: Nov 08, 2015 12:24:59 pm
      Supposed team for today's game Mignolet – Clyne, Škrtel, Sakho, Moreno – Emre Can, Lucas – Ibe, Lallana, Coutinho – Benteke.



      No surprises apart from maybe Firmino being the one to miss out.

      I think this may be Jurgens toughest test so far, to win this game we need to take our chances. I think we will... 2-0 would be a good  result.   


      I'd be happy with that X1 S@INT although like you I think Firmino will get the nod over Ibe,

      As well as the lad did on Thursday I think Klopp will use him as a impact sub around the hour mark,  by then of course we all hope we're one or two up,

      Can see us winning this by 3,

      C'mon Redmen

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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #65: Nov 08, 2015 12:34:35 pm
      Supposed team for today's game Mignolet – Clyne, Škrtel, Sakho, Moreno – Emre Can, Lucas – Ibe, Lallana, Coutinho – Benteke.

      No surprises apart from maybe Firmino being the one to miss out.

      I think this may be Jurgens toughest test so far, to win this game we need to take our chances. I think we will... 2-0 would be a good  result.   

      The 'Emre Can' bit gets me every week, always think it's 2 players :D
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      Reply #66: Nov 08, 2015 12:36:47 pm
      The 'Emre Can' bit gets me every week, always think it's 2 players :D


      Your right mate,.........   ;D



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      He's twice the player Milner is !
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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #67: Nov 08, 2015 01:18:03 pm
      I'm gonna miss the game :( No. I have to go and get my grandma out of hospital :) I think I will watch the 2nd half.

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      Reply #68: Nov 08, 2015 01:29:26 pm
      I'm gonna miss the game :( No. I have to go and get my grandma out of hospital :) I think I will watch the 2nd half.





      Mate , no need to miss the game, take your Grandma to the alehouse, tell her you taking her out to lunch, Chicken in a basket, old folk love that, couple of sherries will go down very well, trust me, and while she sleeps it off you can witness Klopp & co demolish the palace,

      Happy days !


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      Re: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #69: Nov 08, 2015 01:40:59 pm
      I've just heard that Milner's pulled out of the England squad with a hamstring problem so I'm guessing he's not available for this either. 

      I'm predicting our first "gegenpress" goal today.  We've not had one yet with our attackers not being quite up to speed but today would be perfect to show yet more progress.

      I've gone for a very confident 4-0 win in the prediction league today as I believe Pardew is going to fall hook, line and sinker to Jurgens gameplan  ;D

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      Reply #70: Nov 08, 2015 02:20:54 pm
      I've just heard that Milner's pulled out of the England squad with a hamstring problem so I'm guessing he's not available for this either. 

      I'm predicting our first "gegenpress" goal today.  We've not had one yet with our attackers not being quite up to speed but today would be perfect to show yet more progress.

      I've gone for a very confident 4-0 win in the prediction league today as I believe Pardew is going to fall hook, line and sinker to Jurgens gameplan  ;D



      I'm like you Debs, very confident, I too can see us bagging at least 3, as for Milner could be the start of his bit part player period, we have the dreaded international break upon us, after which we meet Shitty away, we will need him against them imo, that game will be too soon to throw in Hendo for, but after I think those two will share pitch time until Hendo proves match fit,

      Anyhoo, I agree, can see us bagging 3 today at least, Benteke , Coutinho, Firmino, but not necessarily in that order,   ;)   xxxxx:action-smiley-065:



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      Re: Pre Match: Liverpool v Crystal Palace Sun 8th November 16:00KO
      Reply #71: Nov 08, 2015 02:38:33 pm
      I predicted 4-0 yesterday too and stand by it.
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