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      harrydunn08
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      Klopp Style Transfer Targets
      Jan 15, 2016 03:51:19 am
      So, I thought it would be fun to make a thread about players who we think would really fit Klopp's philosophy and tactics -- heavy metal football.  My opinion on the type of players Klopp likes are that they must be aggressive, athletic, and hard working with basic positional qualities required for different types of players -- forwards need to be able to dribble and shoot well, midfielders need good passing, CB's need to be strong and good in the air, and fullbacks need to have pace and fitness. 

      Here are a few players I think would fit the criteria:

      Marek Hamsik
      Radja Nainggolan
      Edison Cavani
      Mario Mandzukic
      Blaise Matuidi
      Luiz Gustavo

      And just for good measure:  Mascherano and Kuyt  :)

      Who are some players you think would suit Klopp's style and why?
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      Reply #1: Jan 15, 2016 04:28:00 am
      So, I thought it would be fun to make a thread about players who we think would really fit Klopp's philosophy and tactics -- heavy metal football.  My opinion on the type of players Klopp likes are that they must be aggressive, athletic, and hard working with basic positional qualities required for different types of players -- forwards need to be able to dribble and shoot well, midfielders need good passing, CB's need to be strong and good in the air, and fullbacks need to have pace and fitness. 

      Here are a few players I think would fit the criteria:

      Marek Hamsik
      Radja Nainggolan
      Edison Cavani
      Mario Mandzukic
      Blaise Matuidi
      Luiz Gustavo

      And just for good measure:  Mascherano and Kuyt  :)

      Who are some players you think would suit Klopp's style and why?

      Mate I don't think any of those players would fit the bill to play high intensity pressing football. They lack the pace with the exception of Nainngolan and Matuidi (but only in a box to box role).Mandzukic is very much a player in the Benteke mould albeit a lot more aggressive, Cavani severely over rated in my books and Hamsik never really hit his potential for me. Gustavo probably one of the slowest midfielders in the game.

      I think you should refine that list?!
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      Reply #2: Jan 15, 2016 05:30:14 am
      Luis Suarez :'(
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      Reply #3: Jan 15, 2016 08:15:57 am
      Left field option, but Marc Albrighton from Foxes. Energy all game, great cross and pacy. Something we need right now. Would have him over Lallana all day long.
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      Reply #4: Jan 15, 2016 09:18:48 am
      Left field option, but Marc Albrighton from Foxes. Energy all game, great cross and pacy. Something we need right now. Would have him over Lallana all day long.

      Always liked Albrighton but would definitely be a risky one - there must be a reason he's ended up at LCFC - although can't argue with how well they've done this season.
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      Reply #5: Jan 15, 2016 09:26:20 am
      Left field option, but Marc Albrighton from Foxes. Energy all game, great cross and pacy. Something we need right now. Would have him over Lallana all day long.

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      Reply #6: Jan 15, 2016 09:30:47 am
      Left field option, but Marc Albrighton from Foxes. Energy all game, great cross and pacy. Something we need right now. Would have him over Lallana all day long.

      Flavour of the month player maybe? Lallana himself looked the dogs bollox for Southampton, but is struggling to find that form again. But for the right price could be worth a shot, May even be a bargain.
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      Reply #7: Jan 15, 2016 09:39:58 am
      Timo Horn
      Rubén Neves
      Ilkay Gundogan
      Marco Reus
      Mario Gotze
      Pierre Aubameyang
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      Reply #8: Jan 15, 2016 09:40:15 am
      Always liked Albrighton but would definitely be a risky one - there must be a reason he's ended up at LCFC - although can't argue with how well they've done this season.

      Wow :mad:

      Albrighton :D
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      Reply #9: Jan 15, 2016 10:48:03 am

      Good player, but doubt he would get a game for us now we have Benteke.








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      Re: Klopp Style Transfer Targets
      Reply #10: Jan 15, 2016 02:23:50 pm
      Mate I don't think any of those players would fit the bill to play high intensity pressing football. They lack the pace with the exception of Nainngolan and Matuidi (but only in a box to box role).Mandzukic is very much a player in the Benteke mould albeit a lot more aggressive, Cavani severely over rated in my books and Hamsik never really hit his potential for me. Gustavo probably one of the slowest midfielders in the game.

      I think you should refine that list?!

      Klopp isn't only concerned with pace.  None of Sahin, Bender, Gotze, or Lewa had searing pace but they were all integral parts of his team.  He certainly likes pace, particularly in the wide areas, but it isn't the only thing he looks for in players. 

      We will just have to agree to disagree on this one....  :)
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      Reply #11: Jan 15, 2016 10:48:10 pm
      Jürgen likes tall, technically good, athletic players so scour the leagues of the old Eastern block countries for these types of players and that's who he'll target  ;)

      I'd add that if he does buy a big "name" type player, it'll most likely be one he's worked with previously as I don't think he'd risk spending big on a player who might not work out/fit etc.
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      Reply #12: Jan 15, 2016 11:11:00 pm
      Jürgen likes tall, technically good, athletic players so scour the leagues of the old Eastern block countries for these types of players and that's who he'll target  ;)

      I'd add that if he does buy a big "name" type player, it'll most likely be one he's worked with previously as I don't think he'd risk spending big on a player who might not work out/fit etc.

      I think a lot on here might end up being dissapointed by Jurgens signings as he has a history (so far at least ) of signing young/unknown players and moulding them into the way he wants his team to function.

      But there again he has never had the sort of money he will have at his disposable now at LFC and especially with new TV deal.

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      Reply #13: Jan 15, 2016 11:28:24 pm
      I think a lot on here might end up being dissapointed by Jurgens signings as he has a history (so far at least ) of signing young/unknown players and moulding them into the way he wants his team to function.

      But there again he has never had the sort of money he will have at his disposable now at LFC and especially with new TV deal.



      I can live with Jürgen buying whoever because he has a plan and a specific style. It's when people get bought without a plan of what to do with them or how to bring the best out of them (90% of Brendan's signings for example).
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      Reply #14: Jan 16, 2016 02:54:18 am
      I can live with Jürgen buying whoever because he has a plan and a specific style. It's when people get bought without a plan of what to do with them or how to bring the best out of them (90% of Brendan's signings for example).

      Ah, the old "versatility" trick....
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      Reply #15: Jan 16, 2016 09:51:35 am
      West Ham have two players I think would add to our capability and quality - Cresswell and Payet.  Neither going anywhere though.

      Mahrez of course. In fact two or three from the Algerian World Cup Team of 2014 would fit the bill in terms of pace, energy and inventiveness.

      I feel as if bringing big-name foreign players in seems a bigger gamble these days - how many supposedly high-quality players have come into the Prem from overseas in the last couple of seasons only to underachieve?  Much safer to bring in players who've proved it in our top league.  (OK nobody mention Mignolet!).
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      Reply #16: Jan 16, 2016 10:02:22 am
      West Ham have two players I think would add to our capability and quality - Cresswell and Payet.  Neither going anywhere though.

      Mahrez of course. In fact two or three from the Algerian World Cup Team of 2014 would fit the bill in terms of pace, energy and inventiveness.

      I feel as if bringing big-name foreign players in seems a bigger gamble these days - how many supposedly high-quality players have come into the Prem from overseas in the last couple of seasons only to underachieve?  Much safer to bring in players who've proved it in our top league.  (OK nobody mention Mignolet!).


      Depends what you mean by high quality. World class players are much better than a bunch of players from the Algeria team that's for sure. This Prem proven business is a myth.
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      Reply #17: Jan 16, 2016 10:52:15 am
      Depends what you mean by high quality. World class players are much better than a bunch of players from the Algeria team that's for sure. This Prem proven business is a myth.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we aim to buy a "bunch of players from the Algeria team", just that Mahrez is one who I think would improve us under Klopp, and that he and international team mates such as Brahimi, Slimani and Feghouli showed the qualities Klopp demands during the last WC (sorry, I'd just watched a youtube vid of their campaign so it was on my mind!).

      And I'm always very suspicious about terms like 'World Class'.  I mean, weren't Falcao, Pedro and er, Rooney supposedly in that bracket?  How many "world class" players do Spurs have at the moment, or Leicester, or even Arsenal (besides Ozil)? Yet they're genuine title contenders, IMHO. 

      'Premiership proven' - yeah its not always a guarantee, but then again we've had so many players who've come from overseas in recent years and disappeared without trace (almost without games in some cases).  I could name a dozen. 
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      Reply #18: Jan 16, 2016 11:01:55 am
      I think a lot on here might end up being dissapointed by Jurgens signings as he has a history (so far at least ) of signing young/unknown players and moulding them into the way he wants his team to function.

      But there again he has never had the sort of money he will have at his disposable now at LFC and especially with new TV deal.



      This is my take on it too mate but the last paragraph is my reason for thinking if he's going to spend big money on a player, it'll be on someone whose played for him before, who he knows fits his system/playing style.

      I don't mean that he doesn't trust himself to spend big but that he won't want to waste the money like we've done previously.  I get the feeling he'll want every penny he spends to count, that after every window we'll be a better and stronger squad, not scratching his head wondering what the hell to do with the players bought.

      It's a refreshing change, even when we scratch our heads heads and say eh? we can at least also say yeah ok, I see what he's doing.
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      Reply #19: Jan 16, 2016 04:41:25 pm
      “The only thing I need is players that want to help the team. They have to listen to what I say.

      “If we cannot sign a player like him then we are not interested in him. We will have to take other players. The whole world plays football, there are players everywhere.

      “You have to look at which players are reachable and not dream of this player or that player and then say: ‘But they don’t want to come to Liverpool.’ If a player doesn’t want to come to Liverpool then stay away. Really. If you think about the weather, stay away. If you think about other things, stay away. If you want to come here, you are welcome. That is the first and most important issue.”

      It is very important in football. It is not a proposal, it is law.   :  Jürgen Klopp
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      Re: Klopp Style Transfer Targets
      Reply #20: Jan 16, 2016 05:14:28 pm
      I don't think there is a Klopp style players, Klopp makes them play certain way.

      A good player is a good player, he just needs to offer more without the ball to satisfy Klopp and I believe that Klopp can get that out from a player.

      So when we sign a player, I won't be reading too much into if he is Klopp type of player or not.

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      Reply #21: Jan 16, 2016 05:21:21 pm
      “The only thing I need is players that want to help the team. They have to listen to what I say.

      “If we cannot sign a player like him then we are not interested in him. We will have to take other players. The whole world plays football, there are players everywhere.

      “You have to look at which players are reachable and not dream of this player or that player and then say: ‘But they don’t want to come to Liverpool.’ If a player doesn’t want to come to Liverpool then stay away. Really. If you think about the weather, stay away. If you think about other things, stay away. If you want to come here, you are welcome. That is the first and most important issue.”

      It is very important in football. It is not a proposal, it is law.   :  Jürgen Klopp

      Good to see the manager emphasising this. All the great managers say the best players are those who want to take responsibility. Talent isn't enough. I am hopeful we can get some very talented players with the right mentality. Germans maybe....
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      Re: Klopp Style Transfer Targets
      Reply #22: Jan 16, 2016 07:23:50 pm
      I don't think there is a Klopp style players, Klopp makes them play certain way.

      A good player is a good player, he just needs to offer more without the ball to satisfy Klopp and I believe that Klopp can get that out from a player.

      So when we sign a player, I won't be reading too much into if he is Klopp type of player or not.



      I think every manager has a certain type of player they like to a certain extend but I do agree that Jürgen seems to like any player that is willing to apply themselves and listen to what he wants.

      The likes of Hendo and Milner are his type in this way.
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      Reply #23: Jan 16, 2016 08:58:03 pm
      Players with balls and determination , of the Emre can type , thery're the type he wants .
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      Reply #24: Jan 17, 2016 06:42:54 pm
      Players with balls and determination , of the Emre can type , thery're the type he wants .

      So players that give the ball away needlessly and easily?
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      Reply #25: Jan 17, 2016 07:49:41 pm
      So players that give the ball away needlessly and easily?
      A kneejerk reaction to todays first half display , as did Hendo and Milner i may add . i thoght more of you Flred , didn't peg you for a knee jerker . Can is one of our finer players , one of the very few that Rodgers signed .

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      Reply #26: Jan 17, 2016 08:45:25 pm
      A kneejerk reaction to todays first half display , as did Hendo and Milner i may add . i thoght more of you Flred , didn't peg you for a knee jerker . Can is one of our finer players , one of the very few that Rodgers signed. To me, he doesn't add anything that Henderson or Milner don't do.


      I've always like him but he's been frustrating for awhile now. I think there's a reason that Rodgers didn't play him in midfield. Gives the ball away far too easily, and doesn't really add much to our attack. He doesn't do anything that Hendo or Milner don't do already and probably better.
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      Reply #27: Jan 17, 2016 09:07:34 pm
      I've always like him but he's been frustrating for awhile now. I think there's a reason that Rodgers didn't play him in midfield. Gives the ball away far too easily, and doesn't really add much to our attack. He doesn't do anything that Hendo or Milner don't do already and probably better.

      Rodgers played him out of position and has vastly improved under Klopp . I'm sorry mate but i don't get the knee jerk reaction all of a sudden . the only problem i have with him is he needs to learn what the words "man on " means .

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      Reply #28: Jan 17, 2016 10:12:06 pm
      Rodgers played him out of position and has vastly improved under Klopp . I'm sorry mate but i don't get the knee jerk reaction all of a sudden . the only problem i have with him is he needs to learn what the words "man on " means .


      He provides nothing offensively and defensively as you noted he's lacking. Joe Allen in a cameo did what Can hasnt been able to do all season, save our bacon. Call it knee jerk if you like but he's not good enough right now. I had much higher hopes for him and so far he has disappointed. You rate him that's fine, you are certainly well within your rights to do so.
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      Reply #29: Jan 17, 2016 11:19:26 pm
      He provides nothing offensively and defensively as you noted he's lacking. Joe Allen in a cameo did what Can hasnt been able to do all season, save our bacon. Call it knee jerk if you like but he's not good enough right now. I had much higher hopes for him and so far he has disappointed. You rate him that's fine, you are certainly well within your rights to do so.

      look at the amount of positions he's been asked to play in and he's not moaned once about it . How many times have we seen Hendo our captain give possession away and can't for his life win it back , milner in large parts of games is missing with all his vast experience . I don't know what you want from Can we seem to forget he's barely turned  22 and i don't think he's hardly had a break . You need to vent your anger at our senior players instead .

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      Reply #30: Jan 18, 2016 12:37:24 am
      Really not understanding the huge knee jerk reaction to Can lately. He has not been his best. But he is only 22 and inconsistency is everyone's problem at that age. I can remember several games last season and a few this season where I thought without him we would have been screwed. The kid has the talent to be a very good box to box midfielder.

      Last year he showed us he can be defensively sound, this year we are starting to see him go forward more sometimes successful and sometimes not. I admire his determination and work rate, two things you can't teach to a footballer.

      He is still developing and with some more hard work and coaching and review of the tapes I think he can turn into a very good player for us. He is 22 years old, ffs not many 22 year olds can hack it in the premier league especially when coming from abroad. The guy deserves a lot of praise for coming here and trying to do a job as a key player when he should only be in the learning role.
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      Reply #31: Jan 18, 2016 12:39:09 am
      look at the amount of positions he's been asked to play in and he's not moaned once about it . How many times have we seen Hendo our captain give possession away and can't for his life win it back , milner in large parts of games is missing with all his vast experience . I don't know what you want from Can we seem to forget he's barely turned  22 and i don't think he's hardly had a break . You need to vent your anger at our senior players instead .



      I can vent my anger at more than one target, trust me. Hendo is battling injury, Milner isn't great but he's at least a reasonable defender. If Can is tired then he needs a spell on the bench for more reasons than one.
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      Reply #32: Jan 18, 2016 05:20:08 am
      He provides nothing offensively and defensively as you noted he's lacking. Joe Allen in a cameo did what Can hasnt been able to do all season, save our bacon. Call it knee jerk if you like but he's not good enough right now. I had much higher hopes for him and so far he has disappointed. You rate him that's fine, you are certainly well within your rights to do so.


      He lacks game intelligence. He is sluggish on the ball, generally unaware of team mates movements or the opposition closing him down and is poor at the business end of the field.
      Saying that though, he has certainly improved due to appearing to be in better shape, gaining experience, manager trust and being played in a more natural position consistently and will improve.
      Only 22 and have high hopes but not great ones.
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      Reply #33: Jan 18, 2016 11:00:47 am
      Really not understanding the huge knee jerk reaction to Can lately. He has not been his best. But he is only 22 and inconsistency is everyone's problem at that age. I can remember several games last season and a few this season where I thought without him we would have been screwed. The kid has the talent to be a very good box to box midfielder.

      Last year he showed us he can be defensively sound, this year we are starting to see him go forward more sometimes successful and sometimes not. I admire his determination and work rate, two things you can't teach to a footballer.

      He is still developing and with some more hard work and coaching and review of the tapes I think he can turn into a very good player for us. He is 22 years old, ffs not many 22 year olds can hack it in the premier league especially when coming from abroad. The guy deserves a lot of praise for coming here and trying to do a job as a key player when he should only be in the learning role.

      Don't agree. Personally don't think he has what we require. He's too slow physically and mentally. Has to "rush" back to make last gasp tackles because he's given the ball away too cheaply. You say he's young therefore inconsistent. But what about Gerrard, or Owen or Torres or any number of young, talented players we've had in our teams in the past? They were certainly more consistent AND offered vastly more.

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      Reply #34: Jan 18, 2016 02:48:20 pm
      Don't agree. Personally don't think he has what we require. He's too slow physically and mentally. Has to "rush" back to make last gasp tackles because he's given the ball away too cheaply. You say he's young therefore inconsistent. But what about Gerrard, or Owen or Torres or any number of young, talented players we've had in our teams in the past? They were certainly more consistent AND offered vastly more.



      Not every 22 year old is Gerrard, Owen or Torres. Those are a special kind of players.

      And I have to disagree with your post. I have seen Can track back many times sometimes with surprising pace. He is going to give away the ball, hell all of our players do that. So with your reasoning you should be bitching about Henderson, Milner, Sakho, Lovren, Lallana, Ibe, etc. All players who I have seen give the ball away quite a bit.

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