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      Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Nov 03, 2007 04:39:32 pm
      Reina

      Finnan Hyypia Carragher Riise

      Benayoun Sissoko Mascherano

      Gerrard

      Babel Kuyt

      Not sure of formation but interesting that we are playing with three central midfielders?

      Maybe Benayoun (not Gerrard) will be behind the strikers?

      Subs: Martin, Crouch, Kewell, Arbeloa, Lucas.
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      Reply #1: Nov 03, 2007 04:43:14 pm
      In fact I actually haven't got a clue what the formation is going to be looking at that side again.

      Kuyt on his own up front with Babel on the right wing - or Gerrard on the right wing - or Benayoun there with Babel on the left....

       :dunceblock:

      My heads going to explode.
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      Reply #2: Nov 03, 2007 04:48:30 pm
      I agree with Benayoun playing behind the strikers.

      Why not give him a go as an attacking midfielder, that's his best position in my opinion.

      I'm going for a tight game, with Liverpool snatching a hard fought 2 - 1 win.

      Benayoun and Kuyt.
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      Reply #3: Nov 03, 2007 04:52:16 pm

       :dunceblock:

      My heads going to explode.

       :D :D

      I reckon Gerrard playing a free role behind Kuyt and Babel on the wing. The left side concerns me a bit though. Riise is likely to drift up and could leave us vulnerable.

      I hope Kuyt gets on the score sheet today. He needs to start hitting the net. Can also see Harry Kewell playing some part in the second half. Should be an interesting game this.

      1-0. Kuyt

      Come on you reds!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      Reply #4: Nov 03, 2007 04:55:39 pm
      Let's hope we grab a quick opener while Blackburn are wondering where everyone's playing?

      That's a solid ball winning midfield if ever I saw one.  I really like the look of that side.

      Hopefully Hyypia and Finnan have had a good rest.  Up front I think we miss Torres but Babel deserves a go because he put the effort in on Wednesday.

      Only question mark is Riise.
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      Reply #5: Nov 03, 2007 05:10:57 pm
      crouch still cant get a start...
      also,interesting to see martin as sub gk.

      i'm going for a 4-4-1-1 at the start.

      gerrard and kuyt to score...2-1 to us.
      « Last Edit: Nov 03, 2007 05:13:32 pm by shikhark »
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      Reply #6: Nov 03, 2007 05:11:54 pm
      crouch still cant get a start...
      also,interesting to see martin as sub gk.

      Well spotted.  ??? Charlie Charles had a good game midweek.
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      Reply #7: Nov 03, 2007 05:32:10 pm
      Forgot Blackburn were above us.  Third place up for grabs today.

      Sounds like a good atmos from our travelling fans.
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      Reply #8: Nov 03, 2007 05:34:07 pm
      I hope Crouch gets a bit more than the ten minutes he's been accustmed to this season, he deserves better. Set up with Gerard having a free role with Sissoko pulling the strings in midfield. Still not sure on Kuyt this year. Still not scored in open play in the premiership this season. Glad that Voronin not in the picture he does nothing for me.

      Great to see Babbel starting for a change.
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      Reply #9: Nov 03, 2007 05:38:43 pm
      Voronin's not playing as his wife is having/had a baby.
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      Reply #10: Nov 03, 2007 05:39:35 pm
      still glad not to see him on the pitch. although congratulations if you're on the forum mr voronin
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #11: Nov 03, 2007 05:40:09 pm
      kuyts second touch seems to always be a tackle very poor.
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      Reply #12: Nov 03, 2007 05:40:58 pm
      Sissoko, 5 touches, only lost the ball twice...but the games still young...
      Heaps of possesion, seem to be putting a few more passes together...

      wont be long, and the Liverpool fans are in fine voice....
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      Reply #13: Nov 03, 2007 05:42:08 pm
      yeah the fans are awesome much more vocal than the blackburns fans.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #14: Nov 03, 2007 05:48:05 pm
      not watchin the match, is it really that bad?
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      Reply #15: Nov 03, 2007 05:53:34 pm
      Bentley ghosted past Riise but he smacked the post with his shot.
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      Reply #16: Nov 03, 2007 05:54:08 pm
      not watchin the match, is it really that bad?

      ???... never said it was bad

      we seem to gave had the better possesion, but cant seem to find a way thru yet....
      they have had a shot graze the post, was against the run of play...only real chance so far in the game from either side
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      Reply #17: Nov 03, 2007 05:56:56 pm
      i meant is it really boring? thats wat the bbc want us to think....
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      Reply #18: Nov 03, 2007 06:00:21 pm
      41 minutes before Friedel had to make his first save.  From Babel.
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      Reply #19: Nov 03, 2007 06:04:37 pm
      fu*k that was close Dunne hit the woodwork
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      Reply #20: Nov 03, 2007 06:05:03 pm
      another shot from blackburn off the woodwork.....

      0 - 0 Half Time
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      Reply #21: Nov 03, 2007 06:05:08 pm
      Rovers just hit the cross bar.  They can consider themselves unlucky not to be winning.

      Half time 0-0.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #22: Nov 03, 2007 06:12:16 pm
      Blackburn Vs Liverpool: dangerous chance for Blackburn from Bently but his shoot hit the post
      http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1502748

      Blackburn Vs Liverpool: bored fan trying to solve a puzzle in the stands
      http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1502769

      Blackburn Vs Liverpool: dangerous chance for Liverpool after a great team play
      http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1502759

      Blackburn Vs Liverpool: very dangerous chance for Blackburn hits the post
      http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1502760
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      Reply #23: Nov 03, 2007 06:15:21 pm
      thanks for those videos
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      Reply #24: Nov 03, 2007 06:16:34 pm
      Come on you reds lets close the gap on Utd and Arsenal.
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      Reply #25: Nov 03, 2007 06:24:33 pm
      our Fans have gone a bit quiet, compared to the start.....
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      Reply #26: Nov 03, 2007 06:26:24 pm
      Nice bit of pressure building from us at the start of the 2nd half.
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      Reply #27: Nov 03, 2007 06:37:18 pm
      What the hell was that from Kuyt.  Should have been a goal! :(
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      Reply #28: Nov 03, 2007 06:38:50 pm
      Babel off, Kewell on....

      not sure if it should be Babel that should come off
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      Reply #29: Nov 03, 2007 06:39:13 pm
      I just think there is such a lack of confidence in front of the opposing teams goal.
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      Reply #30: Nov 03, 2007 06:41:56 pm
      Also, although I am a big fan of JAR, he is having a awful season SO far. Kinda of makes me wish the transfer for Heinze went through.
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      Reply #31: Nov 03, 2007 06:44:25 pm
      Looks like Crouch is set to come on. Do we now go with two forwards, or will Crouch just replace Kuyt ?
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      Reply #32: Nov 03, 2007 06:45:11 pm
      Kewell is looking keen down the left, Kuyt doesnt look like he knows where he should be
      take off Kuyt, for Crouch
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      Reply #33: Nov 03, 2007 06:53:13 pm
      FFS Not another draw?
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      Reply #34: Nov 03, 2007 06:54:22 pm
      Ohhh.. Gerrard is the driving inspiration (again) - could have scored there...
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      Reply #35: Nov 03, 2007 06:55:07 pm
      From a corner - Blackburn headed off their own line... Come on Reds...!
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      Reply #36: Nov 03, 2007 06:55:24 pm
      11 minutes to go, L'Pool playing more attacking, Kuyt playing more central with Crouch, Gerrard moved to the right.... is counter attack after counter attack, Kewells looking good...
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      Reply #37: Nov 03, 2007 06:58:57 pm
      Liverpool look like they are playing with (shock horror) a bit of passion?!
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      Reply #38: Nov 03, 2007 07:00:17 pm
      Liverpool look like they are playing with (shock horror) a bit of passion?!

      dont say passion, Raffa will take them all off maybe
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      Reply #39: Nov 03, 2007 07:04:16 pm
      Kuyt, manages to launch a shot verticle, from 8 yards out...???
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      Reply #40: Nov 03, 2007 07:05:45 pm
      is Kuyt wearing Momos boots?
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      Reply #41: Nov 03, 2007 07:07:33 pm

      and on the wrong feet....


      Last minute
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      Reply #42: Nov 03, 2007 07:07:50 pm
      Blackburn Vs Liverpool: header from Crouch cleared from the goal line
      http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1502852
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #43: Nov 03, 2007 07:09:37 pm
      Needed the 3 points here. Lot of chances, we should of won.ust wondering that the Liverpool side that finished the 2nd half, should of started the game. But I guess it took while to break the Blackburn Def down, who were real tight in that first half.
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      Reply #44: Nov 03, 2007 07:09:45 pm
      i really cant understand why we play with this urgency for the last 15 mins only and not the best part of 90 minutes :S
      Blackburn looked shaky in the second half...3 points were there for the taking imo.
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      Reply #45: Nov 03, 2007 07:13:25 pm
      Fair result or not, In work so relied on BBC updates, it seemed we came into it more in the last 20mins, disapointing to drop a place but to be fair I think I would have take a draw before the game, Lawro predicted it would be 1-1 and he is not usually wrong. On a positive note we're still unbeaten so we must be doing something right. Just hope we can keep the top lot insitght for when Torres is fit.
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      Reply #46: Nov 03, 2007 07:14:42 pm
      Two points wasted.  We had more than enough chances to win that game. More frustration.
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      Reply #47: Nov 03, 2007 07:16:41 pm
      we look a far more balanced team when Kewell and Crouch came on Kuyt had a shocker
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      Reply #48: Nov 03, 2007 07:18:33 pm
      Poor first half couldnt string 2 passes together, second half was a little better when kewell and crouchy came on, NOT good to see Carra and Mascherano having a row on the pitch either

      tuesday BIG GAME
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      Reply #49: Nov 03, 2007 07:22:29 pm
      Nil all full time...

      positives,

      they had 2 shots off the post, we were a bit lucky there
      Kewell played well for his 30 minutes (and didnt get injured), and the team lifted when he came on
      we seemed to try to put more passes together, control the tempo
      Freidle kept well for them, a couple of fine saves to deny Gerrard

      however

      Kuyt has all the poise of a penguin with a club foot in front of goal at the moment, but is still having a go
      Sissoko needs a poke with a cattle prod everytime he gives the ball up, maybe that will help him recognise a RED shirt

      still undefeated, but it was still a game that we had enough chances, we will have to start winning games as we will need the points later
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      Reply #50: Nov 03, 2007 07:22:37 pm
      Two points wasted.  We had more than enough chances to win that game. More frustration.

      Yeah I know what you mean we were listening to LFC official commentry and I heard Riise and Hyypia making numerous errors while Arbeloa still warms the bench and Hobbs had a good game mid week and was still not looked upon, now I understand he is a young lad with little experience and all but that may well just be the key to give him some as the current set up is killing us and someone needs to act on it fast.

      And I think we drew because me and yorkie did not wear our shirts  :-[ sorry
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      Reply #51: Nov 03, 2007 07:46:27 pm
      Lawro predicted it would be 1-1 and he is not usually wrong.

      ;D...are you serious?

      anyway, JAR has to go (i know i've been saying this for some time now but he has been poor for the majority of the season...dunno why rafa keeps on picking him).

      positives:
      1.kewell played decently after coming on...should get much better when he gets more minutes on the pitch.
      2.crouch looked decent too...i hope he starts in the champions league.
      3.gerrard seems like he is back to his best.


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      Reply #52: Nov 03, 2007 07:52:48 pm
      positives:
      1.kewell played decently after coming on...should get much better when he gets more minutes on the pitch.
      2.crouch looked decent too...I hope he starts in the champions league.
      3.gerrard seems like he is back to his best.
      I agree with you there mate it's nice when someone points out the positives I'm glad to see Kewell back but still think we could do more up front "Coughs" Crouch
      4.Still unbeaten in the league ;)
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      Reply #53: Nov 03, 2007 07:55:29 pm
      we look a far more balanced team when Kewell and Crouch came on Kuyt had a shocker

      Absolutely mate. We had a bit more driving force when those two came on and Kuyt had a shocker. His first touch most of the time is poor and sometimes I wonder if the prem is too fast for him. Then that lay off where he should have played the ball earlier when he had acres of space was gutting. What was he thinking?

      We had a lot of possession in the first half but there was no penetration or creativity. Second half we grew into a better attacking force and created some good chances but couldn't put the ball in the net. Another frustrating day and another draw. We need to improve on that first half performance.

      Still, not in a bad position are we. Still six points off the top.

      Two points dropped but a draw will have to do.
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      Reply #54: Nov 03, 2007 07:55:36 pm
      ;D...are you serious?

      anyway, JAR has to go (I know I've been saying this for some time now but he has been poor for the majority of the season...dunno why rafa keeps on picking him).

      positives:
      1.kewell played decently after coming on...should get much better when he gets more minutes on the pitch.
      2.crouch looked decent too...I hope he starts in the champions league.
      3.gerrard seems like he is back to his best.




      Not with the score but the general result he's usually right.
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      Reply #55: Nov 03, 2007 08:11:58 pm
      yea deffo shudda won 2day... 3 points for the taking... dunno wots going on lately,, we just cant seem to win comfortably...i know the injuries arent helping but weve got enough talent out there to be winning...... premiership contenders... not at the moment we arnt... sorry...
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      Reply #56: Nov 03, 2007 08:13:04 pm
      we look a far more balanced team when Kewell and Crouch came on Kuyt had a shocker

      Kewell and Crouch help change the the game! maybe next match they will be introduced a little earlier, maybe a start. Kewell went at it today.
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      Reply #57: Nov 03, 2007 08:22:04 pm
      Didn't see the game - so just go by what I've read above. 

      I knew this was going to be a hard game - would have taken a draw before the game.

      Still room for massive improvement - and even if we finish the season unbeaten - draws won't win us the league!!!

      Torres (when fit) and Babel - upfront for a few games?
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      Reply #58: Nov 03, 2007 08:27:01 pm
      I knew this was going to be a hard game - would have taken a draw before the game.

      Still room for massive improvement - and even if we finish the season unbeaten - draws won't win us the league!!!

      Good point Richo. Got to start hitting the net soon.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #59: Nov 03, 2007 09:26:29 pm
      First half offered very little attacking wise from both sides ( blackburn hit the post(bentley) and bar(dunne) from 20/25 yards out while liverpool's only chance came through Babel which was saved by friedel)

      Second half was still scrappy, blackburn's defensive was fragile though they might have had a penalty, but liverpool had chances to nick it -- Gerrard twice denied by friedel,crouch's header off the line,Kuyt where he blased over and another where indecision got the better of him--

      Positives for me were; clean sheet,still unbeaten,didn't lose ground to the leaders(cause they drew),Kewell played well when he came on (good to see decent winger play at last)

      Kuyt had a shocker and no one looks like scoring apart from gerrard now that Torres is injured.

      Again Hyypia was caught out of position too many times(IMO he tries to intecept the ball taking up the defensive mid position) why not give Hobbs a chance? ,Riise continues to play the ball backwards,aimless long throws and does nothing apart from run past Babel continuosly (when the overlap is simply not on) leaving Babel to track back when we lose possesion. Arbeloa warming the bench? Sorry can't understand.

      I can understand playing Masch and Sissoko from the start(to break up play,blackburn are a physical team) but the second half I thought Lucas might have came on to bring some passing through the centre.

      All in all I am left dissapointed/accepting the draw.         In Rafa We Trust.                        YNWA
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      Reply #60: Nov 03, 2007 10:07:46 pm
      just hope we get a result on tuesday.... no more injuries.... PLEASE......
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      Reply #61: Nov 04, 2007 04:39:11 am
      I hoped for us playing some good quality football, which I know would lead to us winning the match....my hopes were wrong....
      I have never seen us play consistently below average for such an extensive period of time...
      There is no confidence in this team, and Rafa has to start putting his hand up for the blame....I dont know what he says to the players, and i dont know how he trains them....but something has to be wrong...our players dont know how to move off the ball, and we dont know what to do in order to break down an oppositions defence...we get frustrated, and end up losing the ball!!!!! Clearly, not the signs of title challengers....Another point, we dont know how to punish teams....

      Why did Rafa start sissoko over lucas?? Clearly, the wrong move!!!
      Was Babel playing right wing, with kuyt playing an alone striker?? why????
      Riise, hopeless!!!
      Why was Reina, and our defence repeatedly knocking long balls forward to kuyt who is 5 foot 5??? Reina knocks the ball long as soon as he gets it, and our defence do that as their first or second option, not as a last resort....

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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #62: Nov 04, 2007 07:25:12 am
      It's quite simple really, for here on we have to win 90% of the games, maybe those 11 games with 31 points will need to happen. Because you just cannot draw (feels like a loss) with these teams. If we don't start getting better, lets wait till next year...... Benitez has a choice to make, focus on the league, focus on the UCL or try for both however we cannot win League games on weekends and CL games mid-week if we don't play our best team.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #63: Nov 04, 2007 09:23:38 am
      After getting back from the match yesterday I have to admit I was disapointed with some performances out on the park. Kuyt and momo in particular, but having said that this really was a good result for us as BB are an inform team with some very good players, and lets be honest could have stung us twice on the counters. But bear in mind drawing will not win us the title, its as simple as that, with all these draws its beginning to remind me of Wolves. Rafa needs to be less cautious at times and maybe by attacking earlier in the game against teams like BB this might be better than leaving it till the last 10 mins with attacking substitutions. We are difficult to break down once we ge ahead so in my honest opion attack from the start would be a better option. Lets hope we can wipe Fulham off the face of the earth next week.
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      Reply #64: Nov 04, 2007 10:42:09 am
      why  play players who are off form ,in the league?...why not leave them to get to there form in the reserves? we have a big squad why not play the in form players for all games...why does lucas (who is in form ) start a game in the league he can replace the off form momo who is off form..arbolea for riise  babel for kuyt  as main striker (he played there in holland)     since we have torres injured
          IMO  if a key player is not injured and in form he should play  no matter what game is next......hate to say this but look at arsenal and the mancs and chelski they rarely change thier key players even if they have all the squad fit
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      Reply #65: Nov 04, 2007 11:43:53 am
      I didn't think we were that bad yesterday.  On another day we could have lashed a couple of them chances at the end in.  Blackburn also hit the woodwork a couple of times.

      We did look better with Kewell and Crouch on but clearly Blackburn were also tiring and we were doing our usual last 20 minutes of attacking.

      Like some people have said if we had won a couple of our other draws then most would have been happier taking a point off a difficult Blackburn side away - the pressure on the victory is because we have had so many missed opportunities before.

      The positives:

      Kewell got some more match time under his belt.
      One game nearer to the return of Agger and Torres.

      Negatives:

      Kuyt looks low on confidence
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      Reply #66: Nov 04, 2007 12:00:03 pm
      Negatives:

      Kuyt looks low on confidence

      He looks more frustrated than not confident maybe, his last shot was so close from a difficult situation...
      and Im not too sure what happened with that mix up with Stevie...
      I think he plays better in tandum with another striker, not so much on his own perhaps...
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      Reply #67: Nov 04, 2007 12:11:35 pm
      I didn't think we were that bad yesterday.  On another day we could have lashed a couple of them chances at the end in.  Blackburn also hit the woodwork a couple of times.

      We did look better with Kewell and Crouch on but clearly Blackburn were also tiring and we were doing our usual last 20 minutes of attacking.



      Like some people have said if we had won a couple of our other draws then most would have been happier taking a point off a difficult Blackburn side away - the pressure on the victory is because we have had so many missed opportunities before.

      The positives:

      Kewell got some more match time under his belt.
      One game nearer to the return of Agger and Torres.

      Negatives:

      Kuyt looks low on confidence

      I'm sorry JD.  It took us 40 minutes to have our first shot.  Until the 70th Minute we could not break down their back 4.  Yes I think Blackburn back 4 were good, but our attack should be able to get behind any defence.

      Why does Rafa insist on playing players out of positions or not in there most ideal position.  Every one can see that Babel would be great up front, but he plays him out wide and the first thing he does is go inwards.  Same with Benayoun.   Against the Arse, he played Kuyt and Voronin out wide????   I know many would say we have injuries, but why did he buy Benayoun (a central midfielder everywhere he's played) instead of a natural wide man.

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      Reply #68: Nov 04, 2007 12:18:56 pm
      I've said it all along, you play 2nd rated players like Momo, JAR and DK, that's what you deserve at best. We only attack in the last 10 minutes, a common feature in our games lately. Doesn't Rafa learn, you can't win games with these kind of tactics agains lesser opponents.  We can't even string together decent passes to threathen the oppositon goal, what he does in  training is best left to imagination, shocking. Its clear to see that once we reached the opposition 4th quarter we're totally lost, we don't know what to do with the ball, and next you know JC is pumping the ball upfield. Again i need to stress that pumping the ball upwards is a coommon feature in our game lately and DK don't have the height to win these high balls. Immediate training to improve on passes must be done and tactical change, put more bite in the attack.

      Yes, Rafa kept on saying we've dominated games, (i'm sick an tired of hearing that week in week out) but what's the point if you are not taking full advantage of it to score goals? We've played to the tune of Balckburn yesterday, they knew that we're solid in defence, so they allow us to dominate without the threat to score, so they create those few odd achences where 2 nearly went in. If it had we're done.

      Compare ourselves against the top 3, their forwards/midfielders have a very good understanding  among themselves on movement and positioning and they're far more superior than us, that's where that separates between us and them and it is clearly shown in the number of goals they have scored.

      Rafa, you must know the strength and weaknesss of your players, you have to work to the strength of your players and not expose their weaknesses, eg. you can't ask DK to dribble pass defenders, create scorong chances and score because he doesn't have the skills and speed to do that.  He needs to have that predator instinct to park himself at the right place and the right time to score, he's must very much like the Gary Lineker.

      Next, we've Ryan Babel. Raw he may be, but he has the skills and speeed, but again Rafa can't ask him to dribble from the 3rd quarter to the 4th quarter and create scoring opportunitoes for himself or others, no opposition defender would be so generous to allow him to do that. He needs someone to feed him the ball at the last quarter of the opposition half , with the speed he possesses, go pass defender(s) from there.

      Lastly, Rafa came blasting away and said, "  ... yeah we should have won the game with the chances that we had". Learn from Arsenal, if you've create enough chances and yet you can't score, start to create more till you score. When we have the quality of strikers that we have at this mo. we are crying out loud for more chances.

      Rafa needs to sit back and take a long and hard look at his tactics, training and strength/weakneses of his players and make swift changes, otherwise, it's going to be a long and hard season for all of us supporters.
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      Reply #69: Nov 04, 2007 12:22:04 pm
      Every one can see that Babel would be great up front, but he plays him out wide and the first thing he does is go inwards.

      He wasn't against Cardiff - a side technically he should have made mincemeat out of.
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      Reply #70: Nov 04, 2007 12:26:56 pm
      He wasn't against Cardiff - a side technically he should have made mincemeat out of.

      I agree, that was his opportunity.  But I feel he needs more than one game.  Also he done as well as Kuyt yesterday.  And Voronin in the last few games he played.
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      Reply #71: Nov 04, 2007 12:33:54 pm
      I agree, that was his opportunity.  But I feel he needs more than one game.  Also he done as well as Kuyt yesterday.  And Voronin in the last few games he played.

      I can see the sense in why we played the team we did.  I would have played 4-4-2 with Benayoun on the right and Babel up front so I agree with you that Ryan should have had another opportunity up front.
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      Reply #72: Nov 04, 2007 12:36:53 pm
      Right,

      After watch the game last night I had loads of views I wanted to post but I drunk and pretty angre so I left it to now, but i've forgotten most of them!!

      We're still undefeted which I find hard to belive as we have been playing rubbish for the last 2 months, our squad is very average so having big players out it hurting us but something needs to be done, We need at least 4 new players in our starting eleven. Yesterday we was so poor in the first half I couldnt belive it. At lest we improved in the second half and in reality a 0-0 at Blackburn isnt that bad but we need to sort it...............

      God i'm glad Kewell's back!!
      « Last Edit: Nov 04, 2007 12:38:59 pm by priesty10 »
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      Reply #73: Nov 04, 2007 12:46:06 pm

      And who would have said it would have ever come to that!
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #74: Nov 04, 2007 03:33:00 pm
      Not a great result but not a disaster either. I was hoping for a win to close the gap on the top two but a point away at Blackburn is still a solid result.

      I felt that Rafa chose the right formation but with the wrong player up front. Kuyt had a shocker yesterday and has been a major disappointment for me all season. Nothing that was played up to him sticked as his first touch was so poor. If Crouch had started he is better at holding the ball which would have allowed Stevie, Yossi and Babel to join the attack.

      I actually thought we played well defensively with Masch and Momo breaking up the play in midfield and the back four looked pretty comfortable. I thought Sami had one of his better games in recent weeks.Riise was a disappointment and I'm not sure why Arbeloa isn't starting as much now as he was very solid at the start of the season.

      When Kewell came on he showed a few good touches and tried too beat his man and I feel that if he can finally shake off his injuries he could be an important player in the season as the other wingers have been disappointing so far.But it is his last chance and has to show his quality consistently for the rest of the season.

      All in all it wasn't a great game but it could turn out to be a valuable point later in the season. A win in our game in hand will leave us only three points off second place so I don't quite understand all the doom and gloom at the minute. We have to remember that it's where you finish that's important and there is a lot of points still to play for so lets get behind the lads and help them get through this sticky patch!
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #75: Nov 04, 2007 04:12:22 pm
      Considering we got beat last season at Blackburn 1-0 then technically ... this is a big improvement?

      In fact Blackburn last season we're nearing the relegation zone when we played them - not fighting for a Champions League spot.

      I quote directly from last season's corresponding match report....

      'Blackburn eased their relegation fears with a gritty victory over Liverpool.'

      http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/fixtures/2007/prem/blackburnaway.htm

      It's all interesting stuff - we didn't win an away game until December last year and we've won 4 out of 6 already this year.

      Anyway, back to the negativity ;)
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #76: Nov 04, 2007 09:32:40 pm
      I thought Rafa got the tactics right!! :o :o :o

      Blackburn are a good team and we needed to keep it tight and try and get something on the break.

      When it didn't happen he made the substitutes and we went into all out attack.

      If our finishing had been better we would have won and Rafa would have been praised for his gameplan.

      Now the rub.  Apart from Torres our strikers are not good enough.  Until we address this problem we are going to carry on getting draws when we need wins to mount a title challenge.  I think at the moment Crouch is the best of the rest, followed by Voronin and then Kuyt.

      We need to give Crouch a decent run.
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      Reply #77: Nov 04, 2007 10:38:00 pm
      A few people ave already said this, but what if we played the whole 90 minutes like we wanted to win 10-0 like the last 15 minutes. It's a mental thing, if we come out saying we only have 90 minutes to win this game (thats not much) then we are most likely to see 4 or even 5 goals like we did againest Derby
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #78: Nov 04, 2007 11:18:33 pm
      The reason we always pile on the preasure inthe last 15 is because we become desperate. If we started like that and scored, we would then play deeper end deeper and invite the opposition on to us as we regularly do in such circumstances. One way or the other, we just don't seem to have the belief that we can attack from the start and then keep the tempo and the pressure up. Add to that our woefull finishing at present and we seem to be a team with no confidence in each others ability. With Rafa's strange team selections of players clearly off form, I don't know how the hell we are still undefeated in the prem. I do know there will have to be a massive improvement on Tuesday. Crouchie has to start, surely.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #79: Nov 04, 2007 11:34:12 pm
      I thought Rafa got the tactics right!! :o :o :o

      Blackburn are a good team and we needed to keep it tight and try and get something on the break.

      When it didn't happen he made the substitutes and we went into all out attack.

      If our finishing had been better we would have won and Rafa would have been praised for his gameplan.

      Now the rub.  Apart from Torres our strikers are not good enough.  Until we address this problem we are going to carry on getting draws when we need wins to mount a title challenge.  I think at the moment Crouch is the best of the rest, followed by Voronin and then Kuyt.

      We need to give Crouch a decent run.

      We can say IF this and IF that...coz thats not what happened....And unfortunately, this season, Rafa has rarely got his tactics right which have lead us to drawing a match.... and we know that isnt good enough...if thats the case, he hasnt got his tactics right, as the results dont speak for it, and either does our boring style of play.
      IF we had Agger, Alonso, Torres fully fit and maybe Huntelaar and Quaresma, we might be sitting comfortable on top at the moment....But again, that is not the case...I hate excuses, and by saying IF we had put our chances away clearly isnt good enough if we aspire to win the league...

      And offcourse IF we had won, we would be praising....but hey, thats football....its the way it is!!!

      I DO agree where our strikers arent good enough (besides nando)...kuyt runs around like a headless chook, crouch, im not even going to comment one, and voronin is a right-winger according to Rafa....
      Rafa said at the beginning of the season that  "we have 2 quality players in each position"....what a load of CR*P!!!
      « Last Edit: Nov 04, 2007 11:36:13 pm by scouser_10 »
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #80: Nov 05, 2007 12:04:53 am
      We can say IF this and IF that...coz thats not what happened....And unfortunately, this season, Rafa has rarely got his tactics right which have lead us to drawing a match.... and we know that isnt good enough...if thats the case, he hasnt got his tactics right, as the results dont speak for it, and either does our boring style of play.
      IF we had Agger, Alonso, Torres fully fit and maybe Huntelaar and Quaresma, we might be sitting comfortable on top at the moment....But again, that is not the case...I hate excuses, and by saying IF we had put our chances away clearly isnt good enough if we aspire to win the league...

      And offcourse IF we had won, we would be praising....but hey, thats football....its the way it is!!!

      I DO agree where our strikers arent good enough (besides nando)...kuyt runs around like a headless chook, crouch, im not even going to comment one, and voronin is a right-winger according to Rafa....
      Rafa said at the beginning of the season that  "we have 2 quality players in each position"....what a load of CR*P!!!

      I think the point Oldred is trying to make Scouser, is that we had the tactics right for playing against Blackburn - who are a very tough team to crack and do have that bit of quality to cause some damage in the final third - especially at home.
      But the quality up front to penetrate for us wasn't there. Which was totally evident.
      We bossed possession but couldn't make the breakthrough where it really counts. So bring forth the guns blazing in the second half, but still, not good enough to finish.
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      Reply #81: Nov 05, 2007 12:50:58 am
      I really don't think scouser_10 understands much about the game.  I also agreed with our tactics against a difficult Blackburn side and fact is we had enough chances to win the game.

      It's hardly Rafa's fault that neither Kuyt, or Crouch when he was brought on, could hit a cows arse with a banjo.
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      Reply #82: Nov 05, 2007 07:32:45 am
      I really don't think scouser_10 understands much about the game.  I also agreed with our tactics against a difficult Blackburn side and fact is we had enough chances to win the game.

      It's hardly Rafa's fault that neither Kuyt, or Crouch when he was brought on, could hit a cows arse with a banjo.

      Mate, i know plenty about the game....ive played it sincei was 6 years old, and am an australia institute of sport graduate....and at the moment, im completing my fifa recognised coaching license. So you have no right to question my where abouts and knowledge of the game....

      Before i leave this forum...im going to say one last thing...Im not going to regret my decision, as i wont have to put up with watching "the big shots" of this forum control everything, and watch everyone suck up their fkn asses....as i im not like that, as im sick of watching others on the forum suck up to them like their GOD....seriously, grow some balls, fuk what they have to say, and you are allowed freedom of speech and ur opinion, so dont be afraid to voice it...and especially dont be scared if pigs like JD and Eddie question what u have to say and "ban" you...there are more important things than being banned from this forum with people who dont give a fuk about eachother....

      I have never ever in my life been disrespected and spoken to as if i know nothing and am nothing....Especially from people who follow the same passion as myself....I never knew the real people of liverpool could be such F***ing pigs and ignorant assholes...
      You should all take a good look at yourselves, and really get a fkn head check....
      Without knowing someone, you have no right, and dont even have the knowledge to make a judgjement that they know nothing about football. Moreover, you also dont have a right to question anyone's passion for this club...
      How can u all be so fkn happy and all rosy about the brand of football that we play?? It's absolute bullshit and utterly boring, and we know that we should be better...But no one wants to admit it,...seriously, be abit more realistic and stop being so fkn dissolusional!!!!!

      To those who have listened to what i have to say "the reality of things", i thankyou...and to those of you F**k wits who ignore it and chose not to comment as you have no rebuttal or comment to say in return, you can seriously fuk yourselves...
      Remember, Liverpool is like a family...so much heritage behind this club, its a pitty some of the people who support it are fukd in the head..Either that, or you dont understand the meaning of family......Where i come from, we dont treat eachother like sh*t and as if we're nothing...

      So its goodbye from Scouser10

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      Reply #83: Nov 05, 2007 08:12:56 am
      I said in the Blackburn pre-match tread, that Rafa was going to play Riise, Hypia, Babel on the left and Veronin (missed that). Gerrard, right now is doing a lot more to get the goals than the strikers themselves. I still believe Crouch has has a better understanding of how to tear up the opposition's defence than Kuyt or Veronin and he deserves a start.
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      Reply #84: Nov 05, 2007 08:27:57 am
      I didn't think we were that bad yesterday.  On another day we could have lashed a couple of them chances at the end in.  Blackburn also hit the woodwork a couple of times.

      We did look better with Kewell and Crouch on but clearly Blackburn were also tiring and we were doing our usual last 20 minutes of attacking.

      Like some people have said if we had won a couple of our other draws then most would have been happier taking a point off a difficult Blackburn side away - the pressure on the victory is because we have had so many missed opportunities before.

      The positives:

      Kewell got some more match time under his belt.
      One game nearer to the return of Agger and Torres.

      Negatives:

      Kuyt looks low on confidence

      The first half had me wondering if we have lost purpose totally. We were quite vulnerable, especially from the left wing. We redeemed our 'attacking' image in the second half though.

      The sad thing is this; it looks as if we are waiting for the return of Torres to get the sting back in our attack again. No world class team should be that dependent on one particular player.
      « Last Edit: Nov 05, 2007 08:30:46 am by solodee »
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      Reply #85: Nov 05, 2007 12:48:33 pm
      I always had this down as a very tough tie. I would have took a point before kick off and as things turned out we should have had 3. Kuyty should have done a hell of a lot better on at least 2 occasions in front of goal but of equal worry for me would be the reason why Crouch isnt playing.

      He came on against Arsenal and caused problems and again at Blackburn he caused problems. What has the lad done wrong to not warrant a chance. He has to start tomorrow

      Positives for me was Gerrard looking like hes getting back to near his best and we actually passed the ball very well at times in the second half. Also Harry looked sharp enough when he came in and if he keeps fit could be vital to us

      On another thread were discussing our next few games. All very winnable and with the mancs and Arsenal drawing we are still well in this   
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      Reply #86: Nov 05, 2007 12:59:21 pm
      Our fowards look totally shot for confidence (apart from Torres) - Kuyt, Voro, Babel are not looking comfortable during games - look worried and do not look like they enjoy the games... which is never good.

      Crouch needs to play more football, Rafa keeps leaving him on the bench to give clear indications that he is on his way in January... for a price.

      I just can't see where the goals will come from, apart from Torres and Stevie...
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      Reply #87: Nov 05, 2007 01:54:35 pm

      I you are still reading this Scouser10 then please let me explain that the reason I put the smilies after the fact that I agreed with Rafa's tactics is that most of the time I haven't agreed with them!!  I just think in the Blackburn game he got it right.  After that it's up to the players to deliver which unfortunately they didn't.  I think most of have had a problem with Rafa's tactics this season, some more than others.  I don't think we all blindly follow the mantra that Rafa is never wrong.

      We think we can pick a better team than the manager.  That's part and parcel of being a football fan.  Glad you concur with my opinion that we have a problem up front.  I don't think anyone would disagree that we are not firing on all cylinders - far from it.

      I understand you being upset that JD considers you don't know much about the game.  It was a bit insulting and he should know better.  But don't be so sensitive.  As a football fan you should have a hide like a rhino.  Simply come back with more vigour when you feel you are right.  Don't abandon the website.  We need diverse opinion or the posts will simply become boring and predictable.

      Look forward to hearing from you again soon. 
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      Reply #88: Nov 05, 2007 02:03:02 pm
      Remember, Liverpool is like a family...so much heritage behind this club, its a pitty some of the people who support it are fukd in the head..Either that, or you dont understand the meaning of family......Where I come from, we dont treat eachother like sh*t and as if we're nothing...

      So its goodbye from Scouser10



      Deep breath mate.

      If we are family don't walk away.

      Take a few days off from the forum if need be, but we need blokes like you around. The forum is a richer place for the diversity of opinion.

      We need to start working on RESPECT (of peeps opinions) on here... and that begins with me!

      YNWA.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #89: Nov 05, 2007 02:31:45 pm
      agree a lot with what a lot of you guys have been saying, but whatever the tactics and whatever the opposition
      the cold facts of the matter are that we just havent got the players to compete  !

      didnt rafa say we have 2 quality players in every position.  what a shower of sh*te!

      we are clearly seeing these squad players in all their glory now!

      rafa insists on work horse players that have little or no techincal ability - and the end result is football that is cack to watch and mostly easy to defend against as we do not have so called players that can 'make something happen' !

      torres can do it, but you gotta get the ball to him first !

      no good if the whole team goes route one every time they get the ball !
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #90: Nov 05, 2007 03:18:55 pm


      We need to start working on RESPECT (of peeps opinions) on here...

      YNWA.

      Good point!

      Now back to football!

      The kind of pressure the strikers are under right now to deliver might actually render Crouch ineffective too eventually. Not having played him for longer than 15 minutes for a long time, the pressure to deliver might affect him negatively too the way it has, Kuyt. Keeping him on the reserve bench for so long was not a good decision.
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      Re: Blackburn v Liverpool: Team News & Match Thread
      Reply #91: Nov 06, 2007 06:41:53 pm

      Apart from when you logged back on today then?  Checking for the cries of 'Please don't leave' from your fellow forumites? Disappointed?

      Your response was completely out of order when I merely highlighted you had limited knowledge about the Premiership and the way the reds are currently playing.

      My opinion was that Rafa had picked a decent tactical line up.  That our strikers had plenty of chances to score and that in retrospect a draw at Blackburn was not the world's worst result (and an improvement on last years defeat).

      Yours was that it was one of the worst tactical line ups by Rafa (unless we scored - and then you would have praised him).

      Pardon me for expecting a bit of a discussion with you on an <ahem> discussion forum.

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