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      Ragnar Klavan- Augsburg

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      Re: Ragnar Klavan- Augsburg
      Reply #1: Jul 17, 2016 10:37:35 pm

      Took your time with this one WAHS :D

      I'm his oldest fan, 108 international caps and stars in a TV series called Vikings I believe.
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      Reply #3: Jul 17, 2016 10:39:35 pm
      People are going to lose their minds :D
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      Reply #4: Jul 17, 2016 10:41:31 pm
      £4M seems about right for a club content on mid table!!!!



      Get the impression this is just the Caulker for this season mate, I wouldn't worry too much as long as Sakho doesn't get perma-banned.

      Matip/Lovren right side Gomez/Sakho left side with Lucas / Can able to cover at a push, I doubt this lad will see many minutes. Even then we have Illori / Wisdom.
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      Reply #5: Jul 17, 2016 10:42:20 pm
      Once a deal for Klavan has been struck, Klopp will pursue another experienced defender. #lfc (James Pearce)
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      Reply #6: Jul 17, 2016 10:43:04 pm
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      Reply #7: Jul 17, 2016 10:43:16 pm
      Get the impression this is just the Caulker for this season mate, I wouldn't worry too much as long as Sakho doesn't get perma-banned.

      Matip/Lovren right side Gomez/Sakho left side with Lucas / Can able to cover at a push, I doubt this lad will see many minutes. Even then we have Illori / Wisdom.

      I would be happy with Illori, Wisdom of even Lucas but the signing suggests different.

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      Reply #8: Jul 17, 2016 10:45:02 pm

      I read in another tweet it's a centre back...

      Klopp is also keen to bring in another centre-back over the coming weeks to provide cover following recent injury setbacks. (James Pearce)
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      Reply #9: Jul 17, 2016 10:46:36 pm
      Not experienced transfers news like this before late on a Sunday night. The Klavan deal is apparently 4.2m + add-ons.
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      Reply #10: Jul 17, 2016 11:00:14 pm
      Took your time with this one WAHS :D

      I'm his oldest fan, 108 international caps and stars in a TV series called Vikings I believe.

      :D
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      Reply #11: Jul 17, 2016 11:07:06 pm
      Big question here.

      Is Estonia a Nordic country or is it a Baltic state? Seems a bit bi to me.
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      Reply #12: Jul 17, 2016 11:08:00 pm
      Big question here.

      Is Estonia a Nordic country or is it a Baltic state? Seems a bit bi to me.

      For the right money those eastern europeans swing whatever way you want mate... so I've been told  :couch:
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      Reply #13: Jul 17, 2016 11:08:45 pm
      For the right money those eastern europeans swing whatever way you want mate... so I've been told  :couch:

      Keep your bedroom antics to yourself mate. Bet Klavan can't wait to meet you!
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      Reply #14: Jul 17, 2016 11:11:01 pm
      Let's just face facts here.  The whole transfer window is a farce.  Newspapers piping up from March onwards about a gazillion players - meanwhile from nowhere LFC look set to bring someone in who I hadn't heard anyone even mention - scratch that - someone I'd never even heard of.

      Love it.
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      Re: Ragnar Klavan- Augsburg
      Reply #15: Jul 17, 2016 11:49:01 pm
      Sending in the Klavanry....

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      Reply #16: Jul 17, 2016 11:53:15 pm
      For the right money those eastern europeans swing whatever way you want mate... so I've been told  :couch:

      Hmm, I dare you to actually say that to an Eastern European, perhaps its just wishful thinking on your part 😉
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      Reply #17: Jul 17, 2016 11:58:46 pm
      Our transfer committee is trash.
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      Reply #18: Jul 18, 2016 12:03:31 am
      Who the F**k is this guy?????
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      Reply #19: Jul 18, 2016 12:04:20 am

      Will you be saying that if we win the league this season?  Doubt it.... but go ahead and write us off before the season even starts!! ;)
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      Reply #20: Jul 18, 2016 12:05:30 am

      Probably someone Klopp knows a lot more about than the rest of us ;)
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      Reply #21: Jul 18, 2016 12:06:03 am
      I'm not as concerned with the who we get as cover at CB as I am concerned with the fact we aren't targeting an experienced LB.
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      Reply #22: Jul 18, 2016 12:08:43 am
      I love how amazingly random our transfer targets are at this point haha. I used to know at least slightly most of the players we were linked to under our most recent managers (from Rafa to current days), but with Klopp it's like he has a quite different knowledge base and at this stage I'm willing to just trust the guy. Feels like a Kyrgiakos kind of signing, low profile, low cost, experienced and (potentially) useful. 30 is not that old for a defender, so who knows, maybe he might even impress.
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      Reply #23: Jul 18, 2016 12:11:19 am
      He's being signed as cover. Before anyone starts losing their minds. Sotis even proved to be worth having around as cover so there's hope yet.
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      Reply #24: Jul 18, 2016 12:12:06 am
      He'a defensive cover.

      Not hugely arsed about this one.
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      Reply #25: Jul 18, 2016 12:16:29 am
      People reacting to this deal like they were reacting to Manninger who could be our THIRD choice keeper :D. For this guy to get regular games a number of Sakho, Lovren, Matip and maybe Gomez would have to be injured. Surely that's better than some young kid from the academy who isn't very good?

      I think Klopp looked at teams who kept clean sheets against us last season, saw that Augsburg was one of them and went with the centre back with the most games :D.
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      Reply #26: Jul 18, 2016 12:17:19 am
      I used to know at least slightly most of the players we were linked to under our most recent managers

      Just means you're getting old mate!! ;)
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      Reply #27: Jul 18, 2016 12:20:58 am
      Get the impression this is just the Caulker for this season mate

      Think I would prefer Caulker at least he can play as a striker if Danny gets injured :)

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      Reply #28: Jul 18, 2016 12:26:26 am
      On the plus side he can't be as bad as Skrtel.

      Can he??
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      Re: Ragnar Klavan- Augsburg
      Reply #29: Jul 18, 2016 12:31:01 am
      Took your time with this one WAHS :D

      I'm his oldest fan, 108 international caps and stars in a TV series called Vikings I believe.

      Why what ha ha? Someone posted about 5 hours before me or something? Been on, and still on, the piss in my defence.
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      Reply #30: Jul 18, 2016 12:31:07 am
      On the plus side he can't be as bad as Skrtel.

      Can he??
      Skrtel wasn't that bad. Just wasn't suited to the way we played.
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      Reply #31: Jul 18, 2016 12:33:50 am
      Skrtel wasn't that bad. Just wasn't suited to the way we played.


      Whereas Klavan suits the way we play ....but he's just crap :)
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      Reply #32: Jul 18, 2016 12:35:27 am
      Why what ha ha? Someone posted about 5 hours before me or something? Been on, and still on, the piss in my defence.

      Just messing mate, you were very quick to be honest, I'd only just read it on twitter and the thread popped up, well in.
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      Reply #33: Jul 18, 2016 12:39:10 am
      Whereas Klavan suits the way we play ....but he's just crap :)

      I'm happy with this one because his name is Ragnar. That's a great name for a defender.
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      Reply #34: Jul 18, 2016 12:40:02 am
      I get my information from the club....

      And can everybody stop giving Luke plusses? Was 2000 yesterday. It's taking the piss now.

      Neg the f**ker :)
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      Reply #35: Jul 18, 2016 12:41:13 am
      I'm happy with this one because his name is Ragnar. That's a great name for a defender.

      Only if he's defending his Viking village though.
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      Reply #36: Jul 18, 2016 12:43:10 am
      I get my information from the club....

      And can everybody stop giving Luke plusses? Was 2000 yesterday. It's taking the piss now.

      Neg the f**ker :)

      :lmao:
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      Reply #37: Jul 18, 2016 12:48:01 am
      I get my information from the club....

      And can everybody stop giving Luke plusses? Was 2000 yesterday. It's taking the piss now.

      Neg the f**ker :)

      I can only imagine the negs people would these days :D
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      Reply #38: Jul 18, 2016 12:48:59 am
      I can only imagine the negs people would these days :D


      I'd be fu**ed.
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      Reply #39: Jul 18, 2016 12:54:15 am

      I was fu**ed up until about 3 years ago :D.
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      Reply #40: Jul 18, 2016 12:56:37 am

      He's a swinger from Estonia apparently, ask Luke he knows a thing or two about swinging  :f_whistle:



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      Reply #41: Jul 18, 2016 01:00:09 am
      He's a swinger from Estonia apparently, ask Luke he knows a thing or two about swinging  :f_whistle:



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      Reply #42: Jul 18, 2016 01:22:54 am
      cover means HE PLAYS when people are a. injured b. badly out of form c. need resting

      eiher way they will play.

      and these sort of signings usually mean the existing players have no fear of someone competing for there position

      very underwhelming
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      Reply #43: Jul 18, 2016 01:29:42 am
      For the right money those eastern europeans swing whatever way you want mate... so I've been told  :couch:

      Hubba hubba!
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      Reply #44: Jul 18, 2016 02:04:59 am
      He will be a starter by November. You heard it here first.  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #45: Jul 18, 2016 02:17:32 am
      Apparently he can play left back too
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      Reply #46: Jul 18, 2016 04:07:14 am
      was skrtel so bad that we had to sell him and find a 'backup' replacement for the same position in the span of a week?   

      i dont know the guy,  cool name tho but if he isnt at least an upgrade to skrtel then imo we have taken a small step backwards?  skrtel wasnt a starter for us either last season.  hope he is a good defensive cover :)
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      Reply #47: Jul 18, 2016 05:31:42 am
      A great time to be had in Estonia for a nice cheap weekend coty break getting smashed.

      Wouldn't be going about buying their 30 year old centre halves though if we have serious desires of winning anything.

      Fair enough saying hes defensive cover but the guy still could play a lot of games as defensive cover.

      Surely there is better out there.
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      Reply #48: Jul 18, 2016 09:39:01 am
      Doesn't this fella play every week in the Bundesliga and captain his country.  Why would he come here to sit on the bench at this stage in his career?
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      Reply #49: Jul 18, 2016 09:49:48 am
      Doesn't this fella play every week in the Bundesliga and captain his country.  Why would he come here to sit on the bench at this stage in his career?

      Money ?
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      Reply #50: Jul 18, 2016 09:49:52 am
      Doesn't this fella play every week in the Bundesliga and captain his country.  Why would he come here to sit on the bench at this stage in his career?

      Increased wages?

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      Reply #51: Jul 18, 2016 10:12:37 am
      I've never heard of the fella but you don't get to captain your country and play 107 times or whatever it is (even if it's Estonia) if you haven't got a bit of something about you. 4 million quid is chump change, quite literally if we need him for half a dozen games and he comes in and does a solid job then the transfer makes sense.

      It's not transfers like this which get my goat at all, it's the lack of investment in a quality, game changing midfielder which gets me. It's the reluctance on the part of the money men to go out and get a quality left full back, the inability to secure a like for like replacement in terms of class for when Sturridge gets injured. These players don't have to be "big names" nor do they necessarily need to be "expensive", but I'd be surprised if we'd get them for wages which wouldn't make our owners eyes water.

      We are a 1.16 billion pound club which was bought for 350 million quid six years ago, and our NET spend on transfers is likely to be less than 30 million quid once all the dust has settled. Not only that, but our wage bill will probably have stayed the same too. We oughtn't to be surprised if it proves to be beyond JĂ¼rgen and the squad to really get in amongst it, but if we don't it won't be because we signed players like Ragnar Klavan, it'll be because of players we HAVEN'T got over the line.     
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      Reply #52: Jul 18, 2016 10:23:25 am
      YES! GET THAT TRANSFER IN! The best player of Estonia. Experienced and he was a leader of Agusburg´s defence. His dream is to play in the Premier League so thats why he is probably ready not to be in the first 11 in the beginning but it is a matter of time when Lovren fu**s up again and then Klavan can nick into the starting lineup ;)

      He is like Kolo only that Klavan still has his legs. It would be a very awesome signing, you are not excited because you don´t know how good he is in defence :)

      Also it would mean that there is more TV time for Liverpool in my country when Klavan signs!!

      Everton tried to sign him last year but Klavan refused... glad he chose the right side ;)

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      Reply #53: Jul 18, 2016 10:34:48 am
      I've never heard of the fella but you don't get to captain your country and play 107 times or whatever it is (even if it's Estonia) if you haven't got a bit of something about you. 

      I said the exact same thing about Poulsen.
      Was proven wrong. :)

      Anyway even if he's that bad it's not a big deal, with Sakho not being banned he's going to be fourth choice.
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      Reply #54: Jul 18, 2016 12:31:55 pm
      Lovren, Matip, Ilori as the RCBs
      Sakho, Klavan, Gomez as the LCBs

      Looks like we are sorted for at least 2-3 seasons
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      Reply #55: Jul 18, 2016 12:40:48 pm
      I trust Klopp with our money😉
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      Reply #56: Jul 18, 2016 01:13:12 pm
      Medical tomorrow apparently.

      Not hanging around with this signing.
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      Reply #57: Jul 18, 2016 01:14:49 pm
      Medical tomorrow apparently.

      Not hanging around with this signing.

      I'm pretty stoked about this signing. Think this guy might actually be  able to contribute and  we  always  have issues with depth at CB so good work covering that.
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      Reply #58: Jul 18, 2016 03:15:39 pm
      Interesting player. Started out in the Eredivisie as a leftback. He is good at passing from CB so this transfer makes a lot of sense.
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      Reply #59: Jul 18, 2016 04:42:27 pm
      Interesting player. Started out in the Eredivisie as a leftback. He is good at passing from CB so this transfer makes a lot of sense.

      I've seen him a few times and although he never actually stood out and is probably no better than what we let go; his experience alone makes sense in this deal.

      Another squad player? More than likely.
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      Reply #60: Jul 18, 2016 04:47:34 pm
      I'm pretty stoked about this signing.

      Wouldn't take much to get you going so ;)
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      Reply #61: Jul 18, 2016 04:54:21 pm
      Wouldn't take much to get you going so ;)

      I literally don't even know what that's supposed to mean :D
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      Reply #62: Jul 18, 2016 05:23:43 pm
      I literally don't even know what that's supposed to mean :D

      Haha sorry pal I'll translate "It doesn't take a lot to get you excited"
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      Reply #63: Jul 18, 2016 05:29:37 pm
      Haha sorry pal I'll translate "It doesn't take a lot to get you excited"

      I think you would find me to be quite the contrary. I've not exactly been doing somersaults over our signings so far.
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      Reply #64: Jul 18, 2016 06:33:06 pm
      Fun(ny) thread to read at times. A few thoughts:

      1. This transfer should be a reminder of just how much sh*te most of the transfer rumours are - and I mean total sh*te, not a part sh*te part sawdust mix. When it's real, you tend to find out about it when it is about to happen.

      2. With Sakho and Gomez both injured, Klopp had to bring in some cover. I notice the English press (and to some degree fans) are incredibly optimistic when discussing the return of injured players that they will be just as good as they were pre-injury, whenever they come back. I noticed this with Flanagan last season, and I hear it with Ings and Gomez this year. with Gomez i particular, we should hope for the best but we truly don't know what he is going to be like for us this year at all. Sad truth.

      3. Someone keeps listing Lovren and Matip on the right side of central defense and then Sakho as first choice on the left. Is the consensus on here that Lovren and Matip won't play together, because I've been thinking of Dejan and Joel as the two starters. No?


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      Reply #65: Jul 18, 2016 06:48:04 pm
      1. This transfer should be a reminder of just how much sh*te most of the transfer rumours are - and I mean total sh*te, not a part sh*te part sawdust mix. When it's real, you tend to find out about it when it is about to happen.

      Agreed.

      2. With Sakho and Gomez both injured, Klopp had to bring in some cover. I notice the English press (and to some degree fans) are incredibly optimistic when discussing the return of injured players that they will be just as good as they were pre-injury, whenever they come back. I noticed this with Flanagan last season, and I hear it with Ings and Gomez this year. with Gomez i particular, we should hope for the best but we truly don't know what he is going to be like for us this year at all. Sad truth.

      Very true mate, that's why I've been so encouraged by Ings' performances in the friendlies. He looks just as quick, just as sharp. Of course the stamina is yet to be tested but that's hardly what the injury should rob him of long term. You're right with Gomez we just don't know but i would have thought age should play some part in stacking things in his favour a little.

      3. Someone keeps listing Lovren and Matip on the right side of central defense and then Sakho as first choice on the left. Is the consensus on here that Lovren and Matip won't play together, because I've been thinking of Dejan and Joel as the two starters. No?

      This one has me most intrigued. Lovren was undoubtedly improved last season but I didn't personally buy into the overwhelming improvement that some were/are suggesting. I wonder too if JĂ¼rgen's first choice pairing might be Matip/Sakho. The interesting part so far is that it's been Lovren that has moved position out of the two. Perhaps it's that Lovren is more comfortable on the left than Matip so it was a simple choice with nobody else to play the left hand side and that Matip has come in as understudy for Lovren on the right but I'm not totally convinced that both will start as the first choice pairing.
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      Reply #66: Jul 18, 2016 06:56:19 pm
      This one has me most intrigued. Lovren was undoubtedly improved last season but I didn't personally buy into the overwhelming improvement that some where/are suggesting. I wonder too if JĂ¼rgen's first choice pairing might be Matip/Sakho. The interesting part so far is that it's been Lovren that has moved position out of the two. Perhaps it's that Lovren is more comfortable on the left than Matip so it was a simple choice with nobody else to play the left hand side and that Matip has come in as understudy for Lovren on the right but I'm not totally convinced that both will start as the first choice pairing.

      Lovren has always been comfortable on the left side. Used to play on that side when he was partnered with Fonte at Southampton and even when he started with us he began on the left side paired with Skrtel.

      In my opinion, the first choice pairing will have Sakho in it one way or the other. He'd been emerging as a key leader for us last year before the "doping" set-back. I personally would have him and Dejan as first choice when all fit and I'd leave Matip as a very capable third choice to push competition, or possibly try him out in the midfield. When he's on his game and confident, Lovren is a complete defender, good build, pretty intelligent tactically, and has always been touted as capable of leading the line as well when called upon. I wouldn't write him off to keep improving to be honest.
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      Reply #67: Jul 18, 2016 07:08:59 pm
      This one has me most intrigued. Lovren was undoubtedly improved last season but I didn't personally buy into the overwhelming improvement that some where/are suggesting. I wonder too if JĂ¼rgen's first choice pairing might be Matip/Sakho. The interesting part so far is that it's been Lovren that has moved position out of the two. Perhaps it's that Lovren is more comfortable on the left than Matip so it was a simple choice with nobody else to play the left hand side and that Matip has come in as understudy for Lovren on the right but I'm not totally convinced that both will start as the first choice pairing.

      I think if Matip stays fit we will see Lovren and Matip as our first choice pair. As you say it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

      I have never been 100% convinced by Sakho defensively, although I do think he has been our best distributor of the ball from the back even with his strange style and the odd passing mistake.

      The one thing that may convince JĂ¼rgen to choose Sakho and Matip ahead of Lovren is pace. I think even Skrtel could have given Lovren a run for his money over 10 or 20 yards and if we play with a high line it could be the deciding factor.

      I'm going with Lovren and Matip for now anyway... but not dismissing Sakho completely.
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      Reply #68: Jul 18, 2016 07:09:10 pm
      Lovren has always been comfortable on the left side. Used to play on that side when he was partnered with Fonte at Southampton and even when he started with us he began on the left side paired with Skrtel.

      I know mate but his major improvement came on the right hand side.

      In my opinion, the first choice pairing will have Sakho in it one way or the other. He'd been emerging as a key leader for us last year before the "doping" set-back. I personally would have him and Dejan as first choice when all fit and I'd leave Matip as a very capable third choice to push competition, or possibly try him out in the midfield. When he's on his game and confident, Lovren is a complete defender, good build, pretty intelligent tactically, and has always been touted as capable of leading the line as well when called upon. I wouldn't write him off to keep improving to be honest.

      He could easily keep improving but unlike you I think Matip is the most guaranteed to be in the starting pairing. We conceded so many headers and set pieces last season that I think he's the natural solution. After that it becomes a straight fight between Lovren and Sakho and personally I think Lovren is better on the right than he is on the left so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that if Sakho avoids a drug ban that he's actually first choice.
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      Reply #69: Jul 18, 2016 07:10:59 pm
      Someone keeps listing Lovren and Matip on the right side of central defense and then Sakho as first choice on the left. Is the consensus on here that Lovren and Matip won't play together, because I've been thinking of Dejan and Joel as the two starters. No?

      This one has me most intrigued. Lovren was undoubtedly improved last season but I didn't personally buy into the overwhelming improvement that some where/are suggesting. I wonder too if JĂ¼rgen's first choice pairing might be Matip/Sakho. The interesting part so far is that it's been Lovren that has moved position out of the two. Perhaps it's that Lovren is more comfortable on the left than Matip so it was a simple choice with nobody else to play the left hand side and that Matip has come in as understudy for Lovren on the right but I'm not totally convinced that both will start as the first choice pairing.

      It's a weird one for me too guys as Matip usually plays on the left so I had assumed he would be challenging Sakho for his place but it seems he's comfortable on either side.

      Now for the Lovren/Sakho bit.  In the analysis I posted in the tactics thread the other day, it mentions Sakho specifically for his passing ability and to get the ball quickly to the attackers, fitting Jurgens penchants for quick transitions and also how he covers Morenos vacated space better, being a natural left footer. 

      It could well be Luke that you're right, it could well be a Matip/Sakho partnership but it's great that we have options. 

      Also interesting that the new CB is a natural left footer too.  Is this Jurgens attempt at minimising Morenos defensive faults whilst utilising him as an attacking outlet, rather than replacing him?
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      Reply #70: Jul 18, 2016 07:21:44 pm
      It could well be Luke that you're right, it could well be a Matip/Sakho partnership but it's great that we have options.

      It is Debs, the only slight disappointment, and it's a strange one, is that I'd not have let Toure go. I think this new lad, without knowing anything about him at all will struggle to give what Toure did when called upon and even more so in the dressing room.

      Also interesting that the new CB is a natural left footer too.  Is this Jurgens attempt at minimising Morenos defensive faults whilst utilising him as an attacking outlet, rather than replacing him?

      Interesting look at it Debs.

      The more and more I think about Moreno it's clear JĂ¼rgen values his attacking influence enormously, so yeah it's quite possible he tries to over compensate in other areas.
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      Reply #71: Jul 18, 2016 07:33:20 pm
      It is Debs, the only slight disappointment, and it's a strange one, is that I'd not have let Toure go. I think this new lad, without knowing anything about him at all will struggle to give what Toure did when called upon and even more so in the dressing room.

      Interesting look at it Debs.

      The more and more I think about Moreno it's clear JĂ¼rgen values his attacking influence enormously, so yeah it's quite possible he tries to over compensate in other areas.

      Know what you mean about Kolo mate but I don't think JĂ¼rgen intended getting anyone else in.  3 injuries out of the 4 CBs before the season even starts is a bit tough to take so I guess it's a needs must mate.

      I mentioned the Moreno scenario before the season ended mate, JĂ¼rgen sees something in him otherwise he'd be out the door, so better cover to the side and behind him whilst he bangs some defensive nous into his head is the next best thing  ;)
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      Reply #72: Jul 18, 2016 07:37:39 pm
      Know what you mean about Kolo mate but I don't think JĂ¼rgen intended getting anyone else in.  3 injuries out of the 4 CBs before the season even starts is a bit tough to take so I guess it's a needs must mate.

      Agreed, does have a "let's not get caught with our pants down" feel about it.

      I mentioned the Moreno scenario before the season ended mate, JĂ¼rgen sees something in him otherwise he'd be out the door, so better cover to the side and behind him whilst he bangs some defensive nous into his head is the next best thing

      Doesn't surprise me in the least Debs.
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      Reply #73: Jul 18, 2016 07:39:47 pm
      I think if Matip stays fit we will see Lovren and Matip as our first choice pair. As you say it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

      I have never been 100% convinced by Sakho defensively, although I do think he has been our best distributor of the ball from the back even with his strange style and the odd passing mistake.

      The one thing that may convince JĂ¼rgen to choose Sakho and Matip ahead of Lovren is pace. I think even Skrtel could have given Lovren a run for his money over 10 or 20 yards and if we play with a high line it could be the deciding factor.

      I'm going with Lovren and Matip for now anyway... but not dismissing Sakho completely.


      I would go with that.

      One of the things that is overlooked is the importance of a partnership to understand intricately your partners game, Sakho can not be relied upon to stay fit. Nothing worse than chopping and changing constantly.

      I'm sure someone put some figures up recently and I was astonished at the number of games Sakho has missed through injury since his arrival.

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      Reply #74: Jul 18, 2016 08:56:45 pm
      This lad better than Martin Skrtel?...
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      Reply #75: Jul 18, 2016 09:26:52 pm
      This lad better than Martin Skrtel?...

      Consensus seems to be far less chance of a "head's gone" moment from him than Martin Shabs.
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      Reply #76: Jul 18, 2016 09:39:48 pm
      Risky imo getting rid of *both* Skrtel and Toure (2 of the 4 main CBs last season, both with lots of PL experience). Matip might need time to settle so likelihood is even without the injury to Sakho, we'd have needed to bring someone *good* in. So hard not to be underwhelmed by this target. I'd have Toure ahead of this guy.
      But as per with everything happening transfer wise this summer, the addendum is 'JĂ¼rgen knows what he's doing'.
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      Reply #77: Jul 19, 2016 02:15:09 am
      Fun(ny) thread to read at times. A few thoughts:

      1. This transfer should be a reminder of just how much sh*te most of the transfer rumours are - and I mean total sh*te, not a part sh*te part sawdust mix. When it's real, you tend to find out about it when it is about to happen.

      2. With Sakho and Gomez both injured, Klopp had to bring in some cover. I notice the English press (and to some degree fans) are incredibly optimistic when discussing the return of injured players that they will be just as good as they were pre-injury, whenever they come back. I noticed this with Flanagan last season, and I hear it with Ings and Gomez this year. with Gomez i particular, we should hope for the best but we truly don't know what he is going to be like for us this year at all. Sad truth.

      3. Someone keeps listing Lovren and Matip on the right side of central defense and then Sakho as first choice on the left. Is the consensus on here that Lovren and Matip won't play together, because I've been thinking of Dejan and Joel as the two starters. No?




      Didn't the pair play together against Wigan, Matip right side, Lovren left!! Think he'll start with them two unless Sakho is fit for the start of the season.
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      Reply #78: Jul 19, 2016 02:43:31 am
      This lad better than Martin Skrtel?...

      I think it's safe to say Klopp would have seen plenty of Ragnar while he was at Dortmund.  He should have a good idea what he is capable of as well as what his limitations are.  I trust he knows what he's doing and is confident that Klavan will provide better cover than either Toure/Skrtel.
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      Reply #79: Jul 19, 2016 11:44:57 am
      I trust he knows what he's doing and is confident that Klavan will provide better cover than either Toure/Skrtel.
      I thought he was only being signed because of injury to Sakho; news which broke only recently. If that is indeed the case then, "trust", "Toure" and "Skrtel" have absolutely F**k all to do with it.  :laugh:

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      Reply #80: Jul 19, 2016 12:32:35 pm
      Release the Kraven!   ;D
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      Reply #81: Jul 19, 2016 02:14:47 pm



      He had his medical.
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      Reply #82: Jul 19, 2016 03:08:31 pm

      I thought he was performing a magic trick by managing to stick a coin to his arm as he walks but then I realised it was just a player :(
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      Reply #83: Jul 19, 2016 03:10:49 pm
      I thought he was performing a magic trick by managing to stick a coin to his arm as he walks but then I realised it was just a player :(

      The stick :D :D
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      Reply #84: Jul 19, 2016 04:35:31 pm

      Hopefully he will be equally adhesive when it comes to marking Kane and Aguero and co.
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      Reply #85: Jul 19, 2016 05:23:34 pm
      I thought he was only being signed because of injury to Sakho; news which broke only recently. If that is indeed the case then, "trust", "Toure" and "Skrtel" have absolutely f**k all to do with it.  :laugh:

      Klopp didn't trust Toure or Skrtel, even as backup which is why they've both gone.  He does trust Ragnar to offer suitable cover, or he wouldn't be signing him.  Simple :)
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      Reply #86: Jul 19, 2016 06:10:47 pm
      Klopp didn't trust Toure or Skrtel, even as backup which is why they've both gone.  He does trust Ragnar to offer suitable cover, or he wouldn't be signing him.  Simple :)

      Simple nothing. Touré was excellent cover. Vast experience and still a good defender. Only thing going against him was his age.

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      Reply #87: Jul 19, 2016 06:39:13 pm
      Gomez return date being pushed back also helped lead to Klavan coming in. Remember as well that with the noise WADA is making, Sakho could still be looking at a long ban. I think Pearce mentioned yet another center back could be coming in.
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      Reply #88: Jul 19, 2016 06:58:21 pm
      Simple nothing. Touré was excellent cover. Vast experience and still a good defender. Only thing going against him was his age.

      You are over complicating this.  If Klopp thought Toure was good enough to justify a contract extension, he would have given him one.  He didn't, so he didn't.  Simple.

      If Klopp thought Skrtel was good enough to keep as 3rd or 4th choice CB, he would have kept him rather than selling him.  He didn't, so he didn't.  Simple. 

      If Klopp didn't think that Ragnar (a player he knows and has seen numerous times while in charge at Dortmund) was good enough to offer sufficient cover at CB, he wouldn't have signed him.  He did, so he did.  Simple. 

      It really is that simple.  ;)
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      Reply #89: Jul 19, 2016 08:49:07 pm
      You are over complicating this.  If Klopp thought Toure was good enough to justify a contract extension, he would have given him one.  He didn't, so he didn't.  Simple.

      If Klopp thought Skrtel was good enough to keep as 3rd or 4th choice CB, he would have kept him rather than selling him.  He didn't, so he didn't.  Simple. 

      If Klopp didn't think that Ragnar (a player he knows and has seen numerous times while in charge at Dortmund) was good enough to offer sufficient cover at CB, he wouldn't have signed him.  He did, so he did.  Simple. 

      It really is that simple.  ;)

      And the fact he's five years younger than Touré has nothing to do with it?

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      Reply #90: Jul 19, 2016 09:10:30 pm
      Looks like we are sorted for at least 2-3 seasons

      Massive jinx alert! ;)
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      Reply #91: Jul 20, 2016 12:42:43 pm
      Got him.

      In for 4.2 mill plus add ons
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      Reply #92: Jul 20, 2016 12:57:59 pm
      welome   :hug: :ernaehrung004: :aaliverpool2xt1: :scarf:
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      Reply #93: Jul 20, 2016 01:01:17 pm
      Done deal...welcome aboard...

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