Liverpool record revenue but £19M loss for 2015-16

Not really. We've never really been in a better position since I've been born which was 26 years ago. We've always been of the quality we are now. If you took an average of our Premier League finishes I bet it would be 6th or 7th.

That's a hell of a lot better than not existing

I'm sure you are an intelligent guy work it out, maths is not that difficult I think you might be incorrect.

Edit I missed you quoting the Premier League, obviously we all know football didn't exist before Sky!

Squad quality would be a point worth debating.

And there really is no argument to counter that quite frankly.

The quality of the squad is of a very poor state, most "armchair fans" could see this way back, but for me responsibility lies with FSG's policy as stated by Mr Gordon AND Klopp.

A bit subjective though.

I mean, in November there was loads of people banging on about our "world class" players, and as usual, anyone who urged caution was shouted down, slated and abused.

So, where do you draw the line?
And on top of that, what about players that are simply irreplaceable?
Gerrard retired, it was impossible to replace him, so what's the solution there?

No. It isn't subjective.

The evidence has garnered that FACT.

Not really. We've never really been in a better position since I've been born which was 26 years ago. We've always been of the quality we are now. If you took an average of our Premier League finishes I bet it would be 6th or 7th.

That's a hell of a lot better than not existing

I worked it out (I was bored ). Taking every league finish since the Premier League began and popping them in an average calculator, overall our average league position is 4th. Before FSG our average was 4th. Since FSG took over our average league position has dropped to 6th. Not an exact science, I grant you but interesting nonetheless and another indication of how we've regressed on-field since this lot took over.

I worked it out (I was bored ). Taking every league finish since the Premier League began and popping them in an average calculator, overall our average league position is 4th. Before FSG our average was 4th. Since FSG took over our average league position has dropped to 6th. Not an exact science, I grant you but interesting nonetheless and another indication of how we've regressed on-field since this lot took over.

On the field yes we have regressed but the financially the club is strong.
Let's hope that this summer FSG make an statement of intent and backing the Boss with his primary targets...

Building trophy cabinets.

You can always build cabinets and put clocks on them though 

So you'd take administration then?

On the field yes we have regressed but the financially the club is strong.

 

So you'd take administration then?

There's a F***ing huge chasm between spending money and going into administration.

I think people were being a little sarcastic over H and G, but we can't keep licking John Henry's hoop because his hedge fund 'rescued' us.

They bought us on the cheap, like he has admtted himself. We need them to pull their fingers out now and back the boss.

Wages (relative to turnover and our rivals) and transfer NET spend.

The amount of money we pay to players might have gone down in real terms. You cant be certain without have all the contracts from before FSG and now but just thinking about all the players on large contracts when they got here and the contracts now I don't believe the difference would be massive one way or the other   

Profit on Player Sales

2014-15 £54.2M
2015-16 £42.1M.

£96.3M in the previous 2 years.

Full time staff

Number of players, managers and coaches down by 6.
Administration and ground maintenance staff up by 70.

Wage costs for entire staff up from £145M to £184M.

There's a F***ing huge chasm between spending money and going into administration.

I think people were being a little sarcastic over H and G, but we can't keep licking John Henry's hoop because his hedge fund 'rescued' us.

They bought us on the cheap, like he has admtted himself. We need them to pull their fingers out now and back the boss.

I agree.

On the field yes we have regressed but the financially the club is strong.
Let's hope that this summer FSG make an statement of intent and backing the Boss with his primary targets...

Are you really going to be holding your breath on that? If they didn't make a statement of intent in 2014 when we finished in the Champions league and had the Suarez money, what makes anyone think they'll make one now? Forgive me if I seem cynical but I've seen too many false dawns under this lot so I'll believe it when I see us compete with other clubs for match winners.

Profit on Player Sales

2014-15 £54.2M
2015-16 £42.1M.

£96.3M in the previous 2 years.

Full time staff

Number of players, managers and coaches down by 6.
Administration and ground maintenance staff up by 70.

Wage costs for entire staff up from £145M to £184M.

If memory serves, didn't they get rid of a lot of admin staff when they first came?
And then built the whole lot back up again, plus some more.
I wouldn't mind knowing the reasons behind that particular decision.

2015-16

£15.7M spent on 'Redundancy and Associated costs' compared with zero the previous year.

2015-16

£15.7M spent on 'Redundancy and Associated costs' compared with zero the previous year.

Cost of sacking the manager and his staff

If memory serves, didn't they get rid of a lot of admin staff when they first came?

Liverpool had 217 administration staff in 2008-09 and they have 500 now.

Total Salary cost of staff and directors with pensions etc
2015-16 £208M
2014-15 £166M.

Liverpool had 217 administration staff in 2009-10 and they have 500 now.

I'm not disputing the numbers, more wondering if I'm right that they got rid of a load of people, and then hired others.
Given the increase in off field activity, sponsorship etc, I'd be interested to see a "revenue per employee" stat, or similar for the different periods.

Liverpool had 217 administration staff in 2008-09 and they have 500 now.

Thats a lot of people milking the cow .

Would of thought most of these jobs are liverpool based,no? Is that not even a good thing now?

Liverpool had 217 administration staff in 2008-09 and they have 500 now.

Total Salary cost of staff and directors with pensions etc
2015-16 £208M
2014-15 £166M.

Could the extra staff be down to the club expanding it's online presence in other countries & extra staff cover for the main stand covering all areas?...

extra staff cover for the main stand covering all areas?

Doesn't include part-time staff for matchdays etc - that number is over 1,500.

John O Sullivan‏ @Corballyred  4m4 minutes ago
So let that sink in, for giving us 5 year loan, FSG are making about £7.5 million from the club, nice little earner for them isn't it

John O Sullivan‏ @Corballyred  5m5 minutes ago
So FSG lied about the interest free loan for the stand, they are paying themselves over £1.5 million a year interest

So there's absolutely no way that they'd be lying or taking money out of the club, or that's what we were told, and yet just today we're hearing about a 1.5% interest rate.

Really can't wait for the point we hear about the rest of the sh*te that's been added to this loan too.

As I was saying, many times in life things aren't as simple as you're led to believe and as you're convinced to listen to.

*** Btw this isn't directed at Swab and in no way is including him in the f**king conversation, but put there for information purposes and those who choose to discuss it are more than welcome but shouldn't take offence should I choose to counter their arguments