Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

Not in the squad for hoffenheim

The Coutinho situation looks like a piece of agitating by a greedy agent to me. 

I find it very hard to believe that Phil has lost any loyalty to the club just because Barca came calling.

The timing of the transfer request, the comments from family members, the drip-drip of supposed examples of a rift. . .  Fake news or manipulation?

All looks engineered so that LFC end up having to sell to preserve squad morale, to turn the fans against him and to leave time in the window for potential suitors to come in and bid against Barca, potentially raising the fee to a level where we couldn't turn it down.  He's as good as gone, I reckon.  We've been stitched up.

Its a cynical world out there, boys and girls.

All true, except we don't have to sell him.

He's on a long term contract. I think he'll knuckle down after the window shuts, but if not, that's his choice - stick him in the reserves until he changes his mind. And if he doesn't change it, sell him for shitloads next summer after we've had  a year to sort out a replacement. He is still coming into his prime, he's not going to be worth less next year. This is not like Suarez, where he was biting people and could have got banned. We are not going to lose that £90m by keeping Phil another season.

I really think keeping Coutinho is key to the credibility of the club, and will tell us how serious the owners are about silverware and long term success. It would be a massive statement of strength to reject Barca and let every player at the club, present and future, know that we are not at the mercy of them and their agents.

If he was coming to the end of his contract, or was 30 years old, maybe we'd have little choice. Instead we very much do have a choice, and we should not be caving in when we don't have to.

He really let team down and all fans. I just wait some interview with him, how Klopp was abusing him and so on...

One day before PL start, he gave transfer request. Well done really. Hope we dont sell him and treat him like Sakho.

The Coutinho situation looks like a piece of agitating by a greedy agent to me.

I find it very hard to believe that Phil has lost any loyalty to the club just because Barca came calling.

The timing of the transfer request, the comments from family members, the drip-drip of supposed examples of a rift. . .  Fake news or manipulation?

All looks engineered so that LFC end up having to sell to preserve squad morale, to turn the fans against him and to leave time in the window for potential suitors to come in and bid against Barca, potentially raising the fee to a level where we couldn't turn it down.  He's as good as gone, I reckon.  We've been stitched up.

Its a cynical world out there, boys and girls.

It certainly does look engineered, engineered by Coutinho and his agent. Not as if Coutinho didn't have a choice, not like he was forced to do this. The way I see it, the agent loaded the gun and Coutinho pulled the trigger. Both just as bad as each other.

Honestly, I think 90% of the fan base (inc me) would not have begrudged him of a move to Barca, but timing and selfishness to F**k over our team, fans and manager just to get his own way shows greed and no loyalty to me.

It certainly does look engineered, engineered by Coutinho and his agent. Not as if Coutinho didn't have a choice, not like he was forced to do this. The way I see it, the agent loaded the gun and Coutinho pulled the trigger. Both just as bad as each other.

Honestly, I think 90% of the fan base (inc me) would not have begrudged him of a move to Barca, but timing and selfishness to f**k over our team, fans and manager just to get his own way shows greed and no loyalty to me.

I think he has been given a now or never ultimatum by Barca.
The Neymar move has just panicked Barca into making they're move a year earlier than they planned.

I think he has been given a now or never ultimatum by Barca.
The Neymar move has just panicked Barca into making they're move a year earlier than they planned.

why would it be now or never from Barca though, it makes no sense unless they just see him as a stop gap player, in which case why on earth would you go there to play a few games then just be a sub for the rest of your time.
the lad has had some bad advice but he can come back, give us at least one more year, I just hope Klopp can hold out the olive branch to him, but I have a feeling that Klopp might be a stubborn and arrogant man in this regard.

I think he has been given a now or never ultimatum by Barca.
The Neymar move has just panicked Barca into making they're move a year earlier than they planned.

Perhaps, but all those years of support, the friendships he has made and relationships he has built surely should have meant something? All thrown in a second for his greed. I actually think it's worse than the Van Dijk situation because Coutinho has been with us for years.

Perhaps, but all those years of support, the friendships he has made and relationships he has built surely should have meant something? All thrown in a second for his greed. I actually think it's worse than the Van Dijk situation because Coutinho has been with us for years.

Aye, years where every season ends with a "next year we will really be ready to challenge", and every summer window shuts with us not having properly addressed the proven holes in the squad. Footballers careers don't last forever, and I don't blame the guy for getting restless when a clearly more ambitious club come calling after he has watched us treading water in terms of our squad strength for the last 3 of his 4 + a half seasons with us.

Yeah the timing is bad, yeah, of course his agent is stirring sh*t at the prospect of a big pay day, but to be fair to Coutinho, I think he has looked at our in "activity" in this window and thought "I could get old here and never win anything".

I'm guessing he was a lot more optimistic about our prospects when he signed that new deal back in January. So was I, to be honest.

The club don't even know what's going on. Peter Moore says "don't blame me, I'm not in charge of transfers, Jürgen and Edwards are"...a few days later, Klopp says "it's not up to me, the owners decide when Coutinho goes, not me".

Sounds to me like lines are being drawn and people are getting their alibi's ready.

You're 100% right FL.

Not too many tin-foil hat's being handed out yesterday; eh? 🙄

Maybe they've been traded for flip-flops?😄

Barca signed Paulinho Euros 40m

Apparently agreed Mbappe Euros 100m plus 30m add ons

Where will this leave Phil?

Barca signed Paulinho Euros 40m

Apparently agreed Mbappe Euros 100m plus 30m add ons

Where will this leave Phil?

i thought PSG had agreed Mbappe?

i thought PSG had agreed Mbappe?

I meant Dembele

I meant Dembele

In either case that is going to make for a quite uncomfortable situation for Phil, I do actually feel a bit sorry for the lad, because he's been swayed by greedy family members and his agent but if he hasn't grown a set of balls yet in life now is probably the time and that starts with getting an agent who is less of a pr**k and listening a bit less to his brother who is probably consumed with envy and basically just lives off him like a leech.

Barca signed Paulinho Euros 40m

Apparently agreed Mbappe Euros 100m plus 30m add ons

Where will this leave Phil?

If true and if indeed he remains with us in September, firstly he needs to apologise to Jürgen. Put his head down,  mate,  and work hard both off and on the  field. sh*t happens. He can give us a season similar to what Suarez gave us, then have a good wcup in Russia and he can leave for Barca @ 150mn.

All it will take will be a month of match winning performances.

If they sign Dembele they've filled the Neymar void add the Paulinho signing and I think its game over in their pursuit of Phil for this season.

All it will take will be a month of match winning performances.

Nah.....

 

I'd piss myself with laughter if Barca end the summer having failed to sign Coutinho, Dembele, Mbappe, being left with just Paulinho to tour around that concrete shithole of a stadium they have.

I meant Dembele

Ruddy French - they all look the same to me (in print )

Team comes first & if Coutinho stays & helps the team to deliver silverware & a good league & CL campaign then it's all good for me.

In either case that is going to make for a quite uncomfortable situation for Phil, I do actually feel a bit sorry for the lad, because he's been swayed by greedy family members and his agent but if he hasn't grown a set of balls yet in life now is probably the time and that starts with getting an agent who is less of a pr**k and listening a bit less to his brother who is probably consumed with envy and basically just lives off him like a leech.

I don't think he cares about money as much as others to be honest. He has hardly rinsed us in the past. I doubt he pays that much attention to his brother or cares about what he wants either, he has said many times he likes Liverpool and his family are happy here.

He will be told his move to Barca is now or never so he is in panic mode. He needs to relax, calm down, and realise that in 10/11 months time he will still have offers pouring in providing he performs for us this season.

I have no issue with coutinho going and quite frankly, I don't blame him one bit. Why stay at Liverpool when your owners have zero ambition?

The timing however is all wrong and we simply can't afford to let him go. That's not his fault, again it's down to FSG, and had we brought in 5, 6 or maybe even 7 players like we should have by now then I think most of us would have wished Phil well in going. We should be in a steady, comfortable position going into this season and we're not, we're in complete turmoil.

FSG have really made a mess of this window and it's time our fans start waking up, you still get clowns who defend them!

The only positive thing I can think of by selling coutinho is I think that will be the final nail for FSG and our fans will eventually begin to take action against them.

I don't think he cares about money as much as others to be honest. He has hardly rinsed us in the past. I doubt he pays that much attention to his brother or cares about what he wants either, he has said many times he likes Liverpool and his family are happy here.

He will be told his move to Barca is now or never so he is in panic mode. He needs to relax, calm down, and realise that in 10/11 months time he will still have offers pouring in providing he performs for us this season.

I have no issue with coutinho going and quite frankly, I don't blame him one bit. Why stay at Liverpool when your owners have zero ambition?

The timing however is all wrong and we simply can't afford to let him go. That's not his fault, again it's down to FSG, and had we brought in 5, 6 or maybe even 7 players like we should have by now then I think most of us would have wished Phil well in going. We should be in a steady, comfortable position going into this season and we're not, we're in complete turmoil.

FSG have really made a mess of this window and it's time our fans start waking up, you still get clowns who defend them!

The only positive thing I can think of by selling coutinho is I think that will be the final nail for FSG and our fans will eventually begin to take action against them.

Sorry but that's nonsense, "not his fault"?? he handed in a transfer request 1 day before the season started, he has to take some blame surely. If he was desperate to leave then he should have made that very clear at the start of the window, like VVD, not at the end.

Team comes first & if Coutinho stays & helps the team to deliver silverware & a good league & CL campaign then it's all good for me.

After that some of us have to apologise Coutinho for frustrate and abuse of his behavior

Joking aside, if finally he stay and act like you said above then fairly enough for me. 

After that some of us have to apologise Coutinho for frustrate and abuse of his behavior

Joking aside, if finally he stay and act like you said above then fairly enough for me.

For me the number 10 gets no support now, if he stays or goes.
If he stays I won't boo  him, I never boo my own at the ground but I wouldn't cheer for him either, he's dead to me until he goes.

I'd sell him today if I trusted the owners to spend the money to replace him.

Team comes first and if he stays he's in it but he gets no support from me