Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)

We get Suarez  plus 20m for  Coutinho .This is a good opportunity   
to get  Suarez back.

Or... or... Sanchez and £20m no...wait... wrong year; my bad. 

£80m and Turan anyone?

Barca could offer star as bait for Coutinho, Keita latest - transfer rumours

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-barcelona-coutinho-transfer-turan-13369385#ICID=Android_EchoNewsApp_AppShare

Don balon are laughable

We get Suarez  plus 20m for  Coutinho .This is a good opportunity   
to get  Suarez back.

no. No no no no no. The next Zidane is worth more than 20m and a soon to be has been. It's like swapping a bran new Ferrari for a Porsche with 200,000 miles on the engine and a big mac.

The sad truth is that; gone are the [LFC] days when players were bought and sold on the basis of whether or not we could improve the team. That's what we did - if we sold one on; we looked for, and very often brought in, 'better'. We upgraded, we evolved, we won.

Let's, for the sake of debate, say we didn't have one but were in the market for a Coutinho type player, him or someone with all his abilities and quality: where would we get one and could we afford him? Why would you sell something you've got if you know you can't get another one?

Take Suarez, a better example to some maybe; were we ever going to be able to replace him with the lousy £65m we got? Nah... so the football team suffered.

Put it like this; 'we' [the "money men"] seem very good at digging our heels in and not paying over the odds, right? Why not show that same resolve in keeping your best players - it can be done: all the best teams do it. Throughout history very, very, few players wanted to leave great [winning] teams.

The point is; all transfers, in and out, should be made with the first thought being a winning football team. The football, after all, is the only reason why most of us follow the 'club'. I'm not saying Coutinho wants to go, not at all but if we can address the reason why players want to go; we stand a chance of keeping them.

Show intent, show that you mean business and that f**king "business" happens to be winning football matches, trophies and titles - that's why fans follow the game and that why footballers play the game.

You hold onto Suarez, you hold on to Coutinho, you win, you attract more quality and you keep winning.

What you DON'T f**king do is; you DON'T sell them to Barca, watch them win titles & trophies and then scratch your head, looking for another reason to excuse, like some utter dumbfuck and say - "But... but it's Barca and they are winners, if Barca come calling players find it hard to resist."

Could not have said it better mate, in a word it's called building for success, something that we have been seriously lacking in recent years ?


YNWA

The Virgil and Keita agitation yesterday makes me more nervous than the Barca bid - I've seen the way FSG operate for 7 years now.......

Big bid for one of ours and suddenly the wheels of "infamy" get greased again.......

Hope I'm wrong but my "boardroom" senses are going off.....

"Hey Tom - how's about 2 assets instead of one PLUS a chunk a change for the casino?"

"I'm in Big J......I get to keep my podium though right?"

Hopefully Barca hold on to Neymar and this is all a bit of play in the media in response to the reports of PSG meeting his release clause. I suspect Barca haven't actually made a bid as yet and have simply leaked their interest and the amount they would like to pay to the media.

NO, NO AND f***in NO AGAIN, We do not offload our best assets , take others unwanted then expect to improve,

WE ARE IN A REBUILDING PROGRESS We are building a side capable of competing against those who want our best players, how do you expect to surpass those club's if you keep offloading your best assets, IT SIMPLY WON'T WORK, and the only people who benefit are those who only see profit, and don't give a shiny sh*te if we win or not!!


YNWA

Only interested if Messi or Neymar go the other way. Otherwise a big fat no!

Only interested if Messi or Neymar go the other way. Otherwise a big fat no!

Or Suarez

that would be too cheap. Suarez can be only worth 30m max now he is 30. I value Coutinho higher than 130m.

Suarez.... The best striker in the world.... 30 million.....

Come on man.

To sell Phillip would go against everything we have heard from the Klopp this summer. He has stated that we wont sell him so it's a bad look on his part if we do IMO, especially when you are trying to buck the image we have during buy or sell time. We have stayed in the VVD running even after having our dicks smacked publicly, and it looks as if our persistence has payed off with the news of him stirring a fuss to leave was made public. If you believe what you read we are also upping our bid on Keita. So why would we sell now? What could you get that was good enough? And what if you got offered it?

Lets buckle down and get Virg in here, give our best at Naby and if that goes south move to a plan B type player sooner rather than later, and hold on to Phillip for Pete's sake.

YNWA

The sad truth is that; gone are the [LFC] days when players were bought and sold on the basis of whether or not we could improve the team. That's what we did - if we sold one on; we looked for, and very often brought in, 'better'. We upgraded, we evolved, we won.

Let's, for the sake of debate, say we didn't have one but were in the market for a Coutinho type player, him or someone with all his abilities and quality: where would we get one and could we afford him? Why would you sell something you've got if you know you can't get another one?

Take Suarez, a better example to some maybe; were we ever going to be able to replace him with the lousy £65m we got? Nah... so the football team suffered.

Put it like this; 'we' [the "money men"] seem very good at digging our heels in and not paying over the odds, right? Why not show that same resolve in keeping your best players - it can be done: all the best teams do it. Throughout history very, very, few players wanted to leave great [winning] teams.

The point is; all transfers, in and out, should be made with the first thought being a winning football team. The football, after all, is the only reason why most of us follow the 'club'. I'm not saying Coutinho wants to go, not at all but if we can address the reason why players want to go; we stand a chance of keeping them.

Show intent, show that you mean business and that f**king "business" happens to be winning football matches, trophies and titles - that's why fans follow the game and that why footballers play the game.

You hold onto Suarez, you hold on to Coutinho, you win, you attract more quality and you keep winning.

What you DON'T f**king do is; you DON'T sell them to Barca, watch them win titles & trophies and then scratch your head, looking for another reason to excuse, like some utter dumbfuck and say - "But... but it's Barca and they are winners, if Barca come calling players find it hard to resist."

That's the problem though isn't it? If it were that simple clubs like Southampton would be challenging for the Title. Players only want to climb the ladder in their careers. For a player like Robertson we represent the pinnacle of their careers because playing for a big club is an achievement. For a player like Coutinho, winning titles, cups and success in Europe season after season is the pinnacle their careers. When he looks back on his career he's not going to want to look up at a statue celebrating a trophiless career, he'll want his name to be consider a legend within one of Europe's top clubs. Players like Coutinho see us as a stepping stone. That's why Suarez left. He new he'd not see the level of success with us within his prime years he could see at Barcelona.

FSG's mistake was asset stripping when they first came in. Getting rid of most of our experienced talent and bringing in cheap mediocrity to replace it, and has lead to one League Cup in ten years. Nigh on ten years of a transfer philosophy that prioritised profit over trophies, young, inexperienced and mediocre players that might represent a profit in four or five years time rather than spending big on the right type of player - 'right' being the operative word because they've spent big on the wrong players. They've turned us into a feeder club for Europe's elite. The damage has been done and to undo that damage is going to be very difficult. Lose Coutinho and it will be nigh on impossible.

That's the problem though isn't it? If it were that simple clubs like Southampton would be challenging for the Title. Players only want to climb the ladder in their careers. For a player like Robertson we represent the pinnacle of their careers because playing for a big club is an achievement. For a player like Coutinho, winning titles, cups and success in Europe season after season is the pinnacle their careers. When he looks back on his career he's not going to want to look up at a statue celebrating a trophiless career, he'll want his name to be consider a legend within one of Europe's top clubs. Players like Coutinho see us as a stepping stone. That's why Suarez left. He new he'd not see the level of success with us within his prime years he could see at Barcelona.

FSG's mistake was asset stripping when they first came in. Getting rid of most of our experienced talent and bringing in cheap mediocrity to replace it, and has lead to one League Cup in ten years. Ten years of a transfer philosophy that prioritised profit over trophies, young, inexperienced and mediocre players that might represent a profit in four or five years time rather than spending big on the right type of player - 'right' being the operative word because they've spent big on the wrong players. They've turned us into a feeder club for Europe's elite. The damage has been done and to undo that damage is going to be very difficult. Lose Coutinho and it will be nigh on impossible.

Good post 5T, agree with you, hence its pivotal to hold onto the likes of Phill and perhaps more importantly sign  players with equal quality and show that staying with Liverpool and your chances of obtaining regular CL football, regular title challenges and obviously the chance of medals, silverware and all the trimmings can happen, and therefore no need to go anywhere, of course, he may have ambitions to play in other leagues that's fine, however, lets make sure he leaves after being successful with LFC  and not because he feels that success won't happen whilst his paymasters ambitions remain that of a mid table side.

YNWA

Suarez.... The best striker in the world.... 30 million.....

Come on man.

it's likely his peak ended the season before last. Suarez is the best because of  his work rate, which will get less and less from now. I am not saying he​ won't be good for a few years, but we probably seen his best and his resale value could be nothing. Sign a player at 30 and they usually retire at that club. 30m would be fair for Suarez, especially since there is no saying if he will spend lenghty times suspended and  Barca paid us 65m for him at 27 and got him at his peak. It won't happen though, we will never fork out 30m for​ a 30 year old.

it's likely he peaked the season before last. Suarez is the best because of  his work rate, which will get less and less from now. I am not saying he​ won't be good for a few years, but we probably seen his best and his resale value could be nothing. Sign a player at 30 and they usually retire at that club.

His less and less tho is still far better than other 97% of players around the planet, in fact you could argue he is actually in his best form and would again brighten up the whole f***in league if he were to return, let's salivate over a front four of,.......

                                                Suarez
                              Salah                           Mane
                                              Coutinho

........i gotta go, i feel a semi coming on !


YNWA

FSG's mistake was asset stripping when they first came in.

Sorry there Bud going to call bullshit to the nth degree on that one....asset strip when they first came it?

There were 3 assets when they came in...Gerrard, Carragher, and gimpy Torres.

So remind me again all the assets they striped away from the club when they first came in?

Was it Poulsen? Konchesky? perhaps Joe Cole and Sotirios Kyrgiakos?


If you want to say FSG screwed up because they did not invest much into the club and therefore we fell behind...fine...please spare us the asset stripping bullshit because that team they purchased outside of 2-3 players was absolute dross.

Suarez.... The best striker in the world.... 30 million.....

Come on man.

Get him to bite somebody

It all depends what the player wants. If Countinho plays dickhead we will have to let him go, if Keita plays dickhead RB will have to let him go either. If Countinho wants to leave - now or in the near future - I'd unload him NOW for Suarez and some cash to spend on VVD. They have to talk to Coutinho and make sure he's on board, not only this season but beyond.

It all depends what the player wants. If Countinho plays dickhead we will have to let him go, if Keita plays dickhead RB will have to let him go either. If Countinho wants to leave - now or in the near future - I'd unload him NOW for Suarez and some cash to spend on VVD. They have to talk to Coutinho and make sure he's on board, not only this season but beyond.

I understand the logic if the player wants to go.

But not the logic of selling him to fund VVD (or anybody else). We should (and it seems we do) have the money available to go after VVD regardless of selling our own players.

No team ever got better by selling their best players.

This notion that South American players all want to play for Barcelona or Real Madrid is a bit exaggerated imo. Ultimately every great player wants the same things: high wage, trophies, and star status. As long as Messi is still playing for Barca he will always be the king there (and rightly so). No matter how hard you try you will be number 2 at most and will never be loved as much as in your previous club. Sanchez left Barca for Arsenal. Now it's looking like Neymar wants out as well. And I'm willing to bet Suarez is going to leave within 3 years.
We see so many great players joining Barca in the past few years because they were dominating world's football within that period and were winning lots and lots of trophies. I don't think that is any longer the case.

With regards to Coutinho I highly doubt we will sell him this summer. But I also disagree with some of you who are already willing to accept that he will be sold next summer. Guess what, if the club pays him the salary he highly deserves and if we start winning trophies or at the very least show real ambitions of winning things, there's a good chance that Coutinho will be here for a long time. And by "ambitions", I really mean, to bring in other quality players and to hold on strong to your best players. It's that simple.

@redwilly: I am with you, but what would u do if Philippe would tell you: I want to go to Barca and if you don't let me, I will not play 100%. You could go to war, keep him, let him sit on the bench for 4 years and become wothless for any team, but most teams would just sell him. Therefore you can basically force any team to sell any player.

But here is the good news: Philippe just signed till 2022 without a buy-out clause. That means we can block any offer and that means he wants to be with us longterm, because he knew his value when signing with us. He's not a secret, if he wanted to go to Barca he would have just waited a littler longer with the extension or he would have made a clause into his contract.