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      Andy Robertson Player Thread

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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #330: Feb 16, 2018 01:03:03 am
      Was not sure about him when he first arrived. Could not real get a game due to Moreno, who was starting to look really decent. Then Robertson got what he needed, a chance due to an injury to Moreno... And he has progressed head over heels...

      We may lose a "Tiny" bit in him going forward vs Moreno (Moreno's speed and tanasticy) but boy can he defend, and in this department beats Moreno hands down... Moreno may have the speed to get back but to often does not have the judgement not to dive in and try and win the unwinnable... Robertson is more measured in his approach and thinks about what he wants to achieve, where as Moreno reacts... On they day two solid LB, but the edge has to be with Robertson 

      I genuinely cannot think of a single thing that Moreno has over Robertson. Yeah he might be faster than Robertson but that means f**k all when he time and again fails to track back to defence after an ill judged run forward. I don't think there's an edge between them. A gulf is probably more precise. As far as I'm concerned we can use in the event of Robertson being injured I'd reintroduce Nathaniel Clyne to that area than relying on Moreno. (for me Clyne can't displace Joe and TAA. Both are nailed down in right back now and both will only get better and better).
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #331: Feb 16, 2018 06:51:47 pm
      I genuinely cannot think of a single thing that Moreno has over Robertson. Yeah he might be faster than Robertson but that means f**k all when he time and again fails to track back to defence after an ill judged run forward. I don't think there's an edge between them. A gulf is probably more precise. As far as I'm concerned we can use in the event of Robertson being injured I'd reintroduce Nathaniel Clyne to that area than relying on Moreno. (for me Clyne can't displace Joe and TAA. Both are nailed down in right back now and both will only get better and better).
      Hate it when you make so much sense  :mad: :mad: :mad:
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #332: Feb 16, 2018 07:31:14 pm
      Puts in one hell of a shift. Great to have a Scottish lad o the team again. A couple of Irish and Welsh we'll be sorted! 😁


      (Yes I know there are no Irish players good enough at the minute!)
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #333: Feb 16, 2018 09:44:48 pm
      I genuinely cannot think of a single thing that Moreno has over Robertson. Yeah he might be faster than Robertson but that means f**k all when he time and again fails to track back to defence after an ill judged run forward. I don't think there's an edge between them. A gulf is probably more precise. As far as I'm concerned we can use in the event of Robertson being injured I'd reintroduce Nathaniel Clyne to that area than relying on Moreno. (for me Clyne can't displace Joe and TAA. Both are nailed down in right back now and both will only get better and better).

      Agreed, it’s no coincidence we look so much more balanced since Moreno has gone.

      Robertson is the real deal.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #334: Feb 16, 2018 10:05:03 pm
      I genuinely cannot think of a single thing that Moreno has over Robertson. Yeah he might be faster than Robertson but that means f**k all when he time and again fails to track back to defence after an ill judged run forward. I don't think there's an edge between them. A gulf is probably more precise. As far as I'm concerned we can use in the event of Robertson being injured I'd reintroduce Nathaniel Clyne to that area than relying on Moreno. (for me Clyne can't displace Joe and TAA. Both are nailed down in right back now and both will only get better and better).

      To be honest I think the more muscular presence of Moreno accelerates the impression of pace.

      I’ve not actually seen Robbo lose a foot race and even if he’s beaten by trickery he recovers so quickly (probably Bertie’s greatest weakness) and is back all over the opposition making life difficult.

      There was a moment the other night where their fella beat him about 3 times and still couldn’t get shot of him.

      That he seems to play entirely without personal ego is one of the most refreshing things about him.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #335: Feb 16, 2018 10:05:34 pm
      Wee tramp of a ball boy tried to steal Sadio’s match ball, Robbo made sure it got to its rightful owner. People on twitter calling him a bad guy for taking it from the kid. Pretty sure we should be teaching children not to steal what ain’t theirs. Well in Robbo
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      Reply #336: Feb 16, 2018 10:56:23 pm
      Wee tramp of a ball boy tried to steal Sadio’s match ball, Robbo made sure it got to its rightful owner. People on twitter calling him a bad guy for taking it from the kid. Pretty sure we should be teaching children not to steal what ain’t theirs. Well in Robbo

      Are you f**king serious? I'm so sick of these opinionated cu*ts jumping on social media and saying sh*t like that. Get a life you Cu*ts.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #337: Feb 16, 2018 11:25:22 pm
      Are you f**king serious? I'm so sick of these opinionated cu*ts jumping on social media and saying sh*t like that. Get a life you Cu*ts.

      Too right mate!
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      Reply #338: Feb 17, 2018 10:50:54 pm
      People on Twitter complaining on Robbo taking the ball need to wake the f**k up. Instead of bitching they need to be pointing our boy out and telling their youngsters “that right there is what a good teammate does”. The fact that some people could turn it the other way is case and point what’s wrong with society today.  :mad:
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #339: Feb 24, 2018 05:49:19 pm
      Just call me president of this Cats fan club. Love this guy
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      Reply #340: Feb 24, 2018 05:57:54 pm
      A remarkable piece of business to get him for as little as we did and even more remarkable has been his ascendancy under Klopp. Jürgen clearly worked him hard in those first couple of months when he wasn't playing regularly for us. He really knows how to integrate and develop players but he can only do so with the will and determination displayed by the likes of Robertson. Still young and still learning - keep it up Andy!
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #341: Feb 24, 2018 06:08:43 pm
      Think he has been brilliant recently and looks like he really plays a huge role in our defense. Things have looked brilliant since him, Karius and VVD started playing together, exciting times ahead.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #342: Feb 24, 2018 11:46:00 pm
      Was superb today, my motm. Have been so impressed with him. For a defensive point of view he is quick, tenacious, strong in the tackle and his positioning his very good. Going forward he has an incredible engine, superb delivery and you can see him developing some great chemistry with Mane and Firmino over the past few weeks. And with TAA developing very nicely on the opposite side we suddenly look very well set in the full back positions for years to come.
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      Reply #343: Feb 25, 2018 08:23:05 am
      If he stays serious injury free I can this lad racking up 500+ games for Liverpool.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #344: Feb 25, 2018 09:25:20 am
      Thought he was brilliant yesterday again.

      Got caught for their goal but only because he was where he should be and Emre did one of his glacier impressions and lost the ball.

      Glad he got the assist afterwards to show it hadn’t affected his ambition/ confidence.

      Said at the start of the season if he got a run he’d cement the lb spot.......kid’s making me look like Nostradamus ;)
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #345: Feb 25, 2018 09:28:36 am
      A remarkable piece of business to get him for as little as we did and even more remarkable has been his ascendancy under Klopp. Jürgen clearly worked him hard in those first couple of months when he wasn't playing regularly for us. He really knows how to integrate and develop players but he can only do so with the will and determination displayed by the likes of Robertson. Still young and still learning - keep it up Andy!
      Only £8.5 million I think, we sold Hull Kevin Stewart for the same value so basically a swap, remarkable business indeed mate.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #346: Feb 25, 2018 09:41:15 am
      I can't speak for everyone else but it's great to have another Scottish lad in the side,when you think of how long our list is of Scottish legends that have pulled on the shirt for the reds.
      it's been quite some time since we had a Scottish international in our side ( think the last was stevie nicol)and the way this lad is going I can see him being added to that glorious list.
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      Reply #347: Feb 25, 2018 10:04:42 am
      Thought he was brilliant yesterday again.

      Got caught for their goal but only because he was where he should be and Emre did one of his glacier impressions and lost the ball.

      Glad he got the assist afterwards to show it hadn’t affected his ambition/ confidence.

      Said at the start of the season if he got a run he’d cement the lb spot.......kid’s making me look like Nostradamus ;)

      Totally agree but what used to get me with Moreno, for all of his flaws, was if that was him yesterday, being caught like that, he'd have been linched when he shouldn't have. He made some howlers but it used to grind on me when he'd be incorrectly blamed for being out of position while doing what the system asked of him.

      Robbo is now the number one LB and rightly so. Grown and grown into the role by the week and long may his form continue. I'm also more than happy with Moreno being a number 2 for the LB spot.
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      Reply #348: Feb 25, 2018 10:10:08 am
      Totally agree but what used to get me with Moreno, for all of his flaws, was if that was him yesterday, being caught like that, he'd have been linched when he shouldn't have. He made some howlers but it used to grind on me when he'd be incorrectly blamed for being out of position while doing what the system asked of him.

      Robbo is now the number one LB and rightly so. Grown and grown into the role by the week and long may his form continue. I'm also more than happy with Moreno being a number 2 for the LB spot.

      Fair comment mate.

      Personally - it was never the ones like yesterday that got me with Bertie. It’s when he was 3-5 yards wrong side when we’re deeper that used to grind my gears......

      Ones like yesterday will always be down to an individual error in wrong place exposing a system.
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      Reply #349: Feb 25, 2018 10:28:27 am
      Fair comment mate.

      Personally - it was never the ones like yesterday that got me with Bertie. It’s when he was 3-5 yards wrong side when we’re deeper that used to grind my gears......

      Ones like yesterday will always be down to an individual error in wrong place exposing a system.

      That's right Scotia, mate.  Robbo makes very few errors for a full back (usual one for him is a misplaced cross - with Bertie it was being AWOL from his position!).

       And has anyone else noticed how FEW 'errors that expose the system' the team making these days?  Got to be down to fitness, mental discipline and great coaching. Plus we're scoring so freely that the odd mistake gets wiped by a goal-fest at the other end!
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      Reply #350: Feb 25, 2018 02:10:01 pm
      The major difference with him and Moreno comes down to one playing within himself and the other getting lost in all the commotion. Robbo seems to be very cerebral on the pitch. He seems to be thinking two or 3 moves ahead when defending. His crosses are fewer these days, but they are no longer aimlessly fired in because he has the ball and that’s just what u do. He is patient with them now and he has looked fantastic with his accuracy and delivery of late.

      Moreno is a caveman. Speed, pace, and power. He would get caught not thinking far too often and let himself get out of position. One is playing Chess while the other is playing checkers
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #351: Feb 25, 2018 07:15:03 pm
      He proves that if we scout well, we should not break the bank every time we need a player. Do not get me wrong, we need great players and I willing to spend big but not every time with a brilliant scout department.
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      Reply #352: Feb 28, 2018 06:02:07 pm
      I'm as guilty as anyone for using Robertson as a stick to beat our previous left backs. But he really has proven himself to be far and beyond the best left back we've had in over a decade - not since Riise in his prime. He has an honesty and work ethic that, when you see, are qualities that we've missed in many a player in recent years.
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      Reply #353: Feb 28, 2018 06:59:08 pm
      I'm as guilty as anyone for using Robertson as a stick to beat our previous left backs. But he really has proven himself to be far and beyond the best left back we've had in over a decade - not since Riise in his prime. He has an honesty and work ethic that, when you see, are qualities that we've missed in many a player in recent years.

      Smashing prospect who is doing a great job at the moment and has plenty improving still to do.

      That he’s a great kid and a right good character fit for LFC is a bonus ;)
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      Reply #354: Feb 28, 2018 08:27:45 pm
      The major difference with him and Moreno comes down to one playing within himself and the other getting lost in all the commotion. Robbo seems to be very cerebral on the pitch. He seems to be thinking two or 3 moves ahead when defending. His crosses are fewer these days, but they are no longer aimlessly fired in because he has the ball and that’s just what u do. He is patient with them now and he has looked fantastic with his accuracy and delivery of late.

      Moreno is a caveman. Speed, pace, and power. He would get caught not thinking far too often and let himself get out of position. One is playing Chess while the other is playing checkers

      Moreno is more like a Jack Russell running all over the board and chewing the pieces up.

      Anyway Robbo is class and anybody would have a tough task replacing his spot at this point.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #355: Feb 28, 2018 10:15:46 pm
      He proves that if we scout well, we should not break the bank every time we need a player. Do not get me wrong, we need great players and I willing to spend big but not every time with a brilliant scout department.

      I think that’s particularly true with modern full backs. City spent a fortune in the summer recruiting three of them for something like £150 million but you’ve only got to look at players like Clyne, Trippier, Bertrand and Robertson to see that there is plenty of quality in the lower prem/championship.
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      Reply #356: Feb 28, 2018 10:30:16 pm
      This is a terrible signing. I don't know what we were thinking. Bottom of the barrel LB doesn't solve our problems. I wonder why Robertson was so easy to sign :roll:

      Remember when this was posted? This was before he had even played too. Reminds me of something my Grand Father use to say. “It’s one thing for people to think you’re and idiot. It’s another for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #357: Feb 28, 2018 11:47:55 pm
      Smashing prospect who is doing a great job at the moment and has plenty improving still to do.

      That he’s a great kid and a right good character fit for LFC is a bonus ;)

      The thing in bold is key for me. As you say, great prospect, young, passionate and obviously loves playing for our great club. People do seem to forget too easily that he has a lot of improving to do though. Still think that two areas he has a lot of room for improvement are his decision making in the final 3rd (already has improved a great deal since the Palace game) and his composure when we're trying to play it out from the back. He looks good defensively.

      It's actually pretty funny that you, as one of his biggest fans, are one of the very few people actually calling him out for his mistakes in games. Fair play to you for that, mate. Because lets not kid ourselves, he has made quite a few mistakes, but for some reason he just seems to get away with it and people rarely mention them.

      Thought that after the City game he had a pretty average month. Might have been fatigue due to playing a ton of games over the festive period. After that he recovered well against Porto where he had a great game and looked good against West-Ham too.

      Moreno is more like a Jack Russell running all over the board and chewing the pieces up.

      Anyway Robbo is class and anybody would have a tough task replacing his spot at this point.

      You mean like Robertson chasing a lost cause like a Jack Russell against City for which he was praised as it showed he was passionate? I guarantee you that if that had been Moreno, he had been crucified for being a lunatic running out of position.

      Same for the goal we conceded against West-Ham. Robertson was caught out by Can losing possession. Of course he was in no way at fault, he was where he was supposed to be for the build up play. Had it been Moreno, he would've been an idiot for being so high up the pitch and being out of position.

      The double standards with which certain players get judged is annoying. Says a lot that his biggest fan on this forum is able to judge him more objectively than many other posters.
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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
      Reply #358: Mar 01, 2018 07:35:27 am

      It's actually pretty funny that you, as one of his biggest fans, are one of the very few people actually calling him out for his mistakes in games. Fair play to you for that, mate. Because lets not kid ourselves, he has made quite a few mistakes, but for some reason he just seems to get away with it and people rarely mention them.

      Same for the goal we conceded against West-Ham. Robertson was caught out by Can losing possession. Of course he was in no way at fault, he was where he was supposed to be for the build up play. Had it been Moreno, he would've been an idiot for being so high up the pitch and being out of position.

      The double standards with which certain players get judged is annoying. Says a lot that his biggest fan on this forum is able to judge him more objectively than many other posters.

      Morning Danz,

      When it comes to young players you have to expect them to make mistakes - what (in my experience) you want to see is the change curve and (ideally) an element of working it out themselves. As a coach I was never bothered about silly one-off errors (misplaced pass / miss kick) but more by the root cause.......do they not look before passing, were they in the wrong position to receive, did the midfield not show, is there a problem with technique, did they react with the wrong leg etc etc.......

      I agree wholeheartedly he’s not the finished article and he does make and will make more mistakes. Defensively his lines are generally sound. He needed to sort out the back post with the left cb a few weeks ago but they seem to have done that - I thought he was leaving himself with the wrong man. Zonally correct but practically an error you sort as a coach if they’ve not picked up themselves. 

      Personally (had an exchange with WAHS) I wouldn’t have blamed Bertie for the West Ham goal - that’s where a system fails due to an individual error (Can). As you and I have exchanged before my bigger concern with Bertie is that he drifts out of position when we’re deeper, has a tendency to pick up the wrong man and ultimately adopts the wrong lines in recovery. I’ve yet to see a material improvement in them - but that’s to my eyes and I may be being harsh. I do think in the final 3rd he improved his delivery and generally was tidier in his offensive play and in transition.

      I think these things become uneccessarily “good guy” or “bad guy” because most fans want a “silver bullet” or a panacea and that translates into a “villain”.

      Funnily enough I do think we’re only beginning to scratch the surface with this lad. I’ve seen him actually playmake in internationals from left back such was the quality of his passing and I don’t think we’ve yet seen that level from him.

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      Re: Andy Robertson Player Thread
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