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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #30 : Sep 01, 2017 09:56:37 am »
      Come on Klopp work your magic on the lad, I feel he just needs a combination of Klopp hugs and kicks up the arse, there IS a player there and now is the final chance to prove it Lazar.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #31 : Sep 01, 2017 12:53:18 pm »
      Come on Klopp work your magic on the lad, I feel he just needs a combination of Klopp hugs and kicks up the arse, there IS a player there and now is the final chance to prove it Lazar.

      Where's this player hiding?

      Plays with his head down, can't pass, shoot or use his body to retain possession.

      That one game vs Sunderland is still his only par performance.

      Gonna end up being released and finding some obscure club to pay him.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #32 : Sep 07, 2017 10:36:24 am »
      Another company policy driven, 'Value for Money', punt; bought only because they thought his sell on value would increase and not for footballing reasons.

      Rodgers clearly did not want him [did not play him] - anyone who says that he actively sought and bought Markovic is either a f**king moron or a liar. 😁

      Just another flop in a long list of speculative flops sadly.


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      Reply #33 : Sep 07, 2017 11:24:13 am »
      Another company policy driven, 'Value for Money', punt; bought only because they thought his sell on value would increase and not for footballing reasons.

      Rodgers clearly did not want him [did not play him] - anyone who says that he actively sought and bought Markovic is either a f**king moron or a liar. 😁

      Just another flop in a long list of speculative flops sadly.
      Brendan probably didn't want Markovic, because he really miss managed him and he pushed for a loan move to get away from him.
      Markovic is 23, he could become good.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #34 : Sep 07, 2017 12:47:39 pm »
      Brendan probably didn't want Markovic, because he really miss managed him and he pushed for a loan move to get away from him.
      Markovic is 23, he could become good.


       I remember that home game against Basel in which we had to win to qualify. Markovic came on as a sub and got himself sent off. Whether that was a red card is debatable, but, the point is that he got sent off. And, then he went on loan to different clubs and none of the clubs wants to make the deal permanent. Silva, the current Watford manager, is reputed to always get the best out of players. He is supposed to have a reputation of making the players deliver more than they are capable of delivering. He didn't want Markovic at Watford and neither was Markovics spell at Hull eye catching. Yes, there were a few good performances here and there, but, nothing to suggest to Silva that he wanted Markovic permanently. Klopp thinks the team is better off without Markovic so much so that he has not named Markovic in the CL squad.

      Such has been the unanimous verdict on him that I don't even know why we paid 20mn for him. Now, in all this, how exactly did Rodgers mis-manage Markovic?
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #35 : Sep 08, 2017 04:22:49 pm »
      Brendan probably didn't want Markovic, because he really miss managed him and he pushed for a loan move to get away from him.
      Markovic is 23, he could become good.

      Yeah, he didn't want him - that's what I said.

      So, J├╝rgen then: I assume the same accusation of "mis-management" applies? 😒

      Or... or... just throwing this out there - maybe neither of them rate the lad as being good enough and certainly not as highly as the computer program did. 😉
      « Last Edit: Sep 08, 2017 04:28:09 pm by bad boy bubby »
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      Reply #36 : Sep 08, 2017 04:27:54 pm »
      Yeah, he didn't want him - that's what I said.

      So, J├╝rgen then: I assume the same applies? 😒

      Haha just remembered that season where we were struggling under Brendan and the loaning out of lazy Lazar was heralded as one of the main reasons.

      Of course that was all bollocks but I cannot for the life of me see why we haven't found the lad a loan move elsewhere. Surely somebody wants him somewhere?

      Even the move back to Turkey looks dead.
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      Reply #37 : Sep 08, 2017 04:31:13 pm »
      Haha just remembered that season where we were struggling under Brendan and the loaning out of lazy Lazar was heralded as one of the main reasons.

      That and not building the team round "Super" Mario. 😂
      How many games did that goat get under J├╝rgen?

      Then again: maybe that's where J├╝rgen went wrong (in that first season) too so, who knows, maybe they were onto something after all. Nah... they didn't mention it at the time so that theory clearly had went walkies by then. 😂😂😂

      So anyhow... can't give the kid away. 😯
      « Last Edit: Sep 08, 2017 04:46:17 pm by bad boy bubby »
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #38 : Sep 08, 2017 04:34:59 pm »
      I had high hopes for the lad because he has such an exotic name. Lazar Markovic rhymes with Valar Morghulis... I guess. :D
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      Reply #39 : Sep 08, 2017 05:03:02 pm »
      That and not building the team round "Super" Mario. 😂
      How many games did that goat get under J├╝rgen?

      Then again: maybe that's where J├╝rgen went wrong (in that first season) too so, who knows, maybe they were onto something after all. Nah... they didn't mention it at the time so that theory clearly had went walkies by then. 😂😂😂

      So anyhow... can't give the kid away. 😯

      Comedy gold indeed  :lmao:

      I feel sorry for the lad. No way he should have wound up here. He's ended up a journeyman footballer when in reality he wasn't ready for a move to a club like ourselves.

      Fair fucks Benfica aren't a sh*t small club, but he should have stayed there learning his trade before even thinking about moving to a tougher league.

      I think there might have been someone around him looking to make a quick buck and to sell him to the first daft bas**rds with a supercomputer.

      We were the daft bas**rds looking to find a cheap way to the top and we got our fingers burnt.

      For the lad himself he's 23 and been shipped around all over the shop.

      F**k knows what is next for him, but i've got a feeling we are waiting for some money for him that will never come before we put him out of his Anfield misery.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #40 : Sep 08, 2017 05:57:08 pm »
      A lot of people had Moreno sold because he was on the bench or not in the squad last season, but it turns out, Klopp pulled him out to spend the whole season coaching him, and has now put him back in the first team.

      So it might be a wise move to hold back on slagging Markovic, for now, as Klopp hasn't made any of us privy to his plans, and as we saw with Moreno, it doesn't really pay to second guess the boss.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #41 : Sep 08, 2017 07:42:40 pm »
      A lot of people had Moreno sold because he was on the bench or not in the squad last season, but it turns out, Klopp pulled him out to spend the whole season coaching him, and has now put him back in the first team.

      So it might be a wise move to hold back on slagging Markovic, for now, as Klopp hasn't made any of us privy to his plans, and as we saw with Moreno, it doesn't really pay to second guess the boss.

      Fair point on Moreno. If Klopp makes Markovic into a productive player for us, it will be one of the greatest man-management achievements of his coaching career. I think he is very good technically so I'd love to see him develop the combativeness and confidence to help us. Seems like the longest of shots though.
       
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #42 : Sep 08, 2017 09:20:19 pm »
      We all know players that don't work out here end up at Stoke City.
      Stokes future team  :f_tongueincheek:

                           Markovic       Balotelli        Benteke
                                                 
                                              Alberto
                                     Allen                Sahin       

                               Flano  Toure   Sakho   Smith

                                              Jones
       
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      Reply #43 : Sep 08, 2017 09:49:01 pm »
      Fair point on Moreno. If Klopp makes Markovic into a productive player for us, it will be one of the greatest man-management achievements of his coaching career. I think he is very good technically so I'd love to see him develop the combativeness and confidence to help us. Seems like the longest of shots though.

      I said it when he first came here and I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind; he has all the tools, he just needs to grow a pair of balls.
      If he can do that, he can contribute.
      He's quick, technically good and has a bit of flair.
      He lacks work rate and the balls to not only take a tackle, but also get in his opponents face.

      That's how I see it anyway.
      If Klopp is keeping him around, it's probably not for shits and giggles ;)
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #44 : Sep 09, 2017 06:42:48 am »
      If Klopp turns him into a footballer I'll get "Boss Tha!" tattooed on my arse.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #45 : Sep 09, 2017 11:53:56 am »
      First post "Liverpool want ┬ú16m for the Serbian".  ;)

      Hasn't kicked a ball since J├╝rgen arrived and now we are being asked to believe that J├╝rgen wants him to stay and is going to make him whole again? Thank f**k no one wanted him then; eh? :laugh:  :laugh:

      He was offered up for sale - presumably because J├╝rgen wanted rid (Unless he was being sold by the T.C.? Nah, that can't be, sure J├╝rgen's in full control) - but no c**t was daft enough to pay the asking price.  :laugh:

      No amount of Whiskey, spin or delusional bullshit can dress that truth up. :-\
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #46 : Sep 09, 2017 12:18:18 pm »
      for now, as Klopp hasn't made any of us privy to his plans

      Actually Klopp said quite unambiguously that Markovic wasn't on his plans and that "there will be a club out there who needs him"

      There's no master plan to this, just a failure to get rid of someone who's surplus to requirements
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      Reply #47 : Sep 09, 2017 12:23:26 pm »
      Actually Klopp said quite unambiguously that Markovic wasn't on his plans and that "there will be a club out there who needs him"

      There's no master plan to this, just a failure to get rid of someone who's surplus to requirements

      Did he?

      He also said Coutinho's bad back was genuine, and people have accused the player of putting it on, and Klopp blagging it.
      So I'll wait and see.
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      Reply #48 : Sep 09, 2017 12:27:44 pm »
      Did he?

      He also said Coutinho's bad back was genuine, and people have accused the player of putting it on, and Klopp blagging it.
      So I'll wait and see.

      He did: "with Lazar, it's no secret that if he finds a club then we will negotiate". And you're the one who told us to take what Klopp says at face value at all times because he "talks straight". But apparently this holds only when it suits your argument.
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      Reply #49 : Sep 09, 2017 12:37:54 pm »
      He did: "with Lazar, it's no secret that if he finds a club then we will negotiate". And you're the one who told us to take what Klopp says at face value at all times because he "talks straight". But apparently this holds only when it suits your argument.

      Yeah, here's the thing, I didn't say he was lying about Coutinho's back, perhaps that nuance escaped you?  ???

      It's others that want it both ways, not me.
      I'm fully prepared to take what he said at face value, which is that he will "negotiate", but as that hasn't happened, Markovic may well get a run out in one of the cups, and if he performs well, who knows.
      Klopp has also shown that he can change his mind, his plans, his tactics etc
      It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he changes his mind about a player as well.
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      Reply #50 : Sep 09, 2017 12:42:13 pm »
      Yeah, here's the thing, I didn't say he was lying about Coutinho's back, perhaps that nuance escaped you?  ???

      It's others that want it both ways, not me.
      I'm fully prepared to take what he said at face value, which is that he will "negotiate", but as that hasn't happened, Markovic may well get a run out in one of the cups, and if he performs well, who knows.
      Klopp has also shown that he can change his mind, his plans, his tactics etc
      It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he changes his mind about a player as well.

      Yeah, sure. Whatever fits the narrative. Funny how the possibility of Klopp changing his mind only occurs to you when trying to spin a failure into a positive.
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      Reply #51 : Sep 09, 2017 12:48:16 pm »
      Yeah, sure. Whatever fits the narrative. Funny how the possibility of Klopp changing his mind only occurs to you when trying to spin a failure into a positive.

      What narrative?
      That's more your bag isn't it?

      Same old, same old.
      If you're going to attack me for having an opinion, attack everyone's opinion.
      Or is it just my opinion you have an issue with?
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      Reply #52 : Sep 09, 2017 01:55:26 pm »
      What narrative?
      That's more your bag isn't it?

      Same old, same old.
      If you're going to attack me for having an opinion, attack everyone's opinion.
      Or is it just my opinion you have an issue with?

      I don't understand what other people have to do with this - are you going to randomly mention the fact I'm an economist as well? I was replying to your post, and I'm not attacking you, but rather your hypocrisy. Apparently Klopp's words are only to be taken at face value when it suits the narrative. Failing to sell deadwood is now part of the master plan.
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      Reply #53 : Sep 09, 2017 02:07:30 pm »
      I don't understand what other people have to do with this - are you going to randomly mention the fact I'm an economist as well? I was replying to your post, and I'm not attacking you, but rather your hypocrisy. Apparently Klopp's words are only to be taken at face value when it suits the narrative. Failing to sell deadwood is now part of the master plan.

      Try actually reading what I wrote.

      And yes, you are attacking my opinion, at no point did I say that I didn't believe what Klopp says, only that other people made a lot of the fact that they didn't believe what he said about coutinho's back injury.

      So kindly bugger off and have a whinge at someone else, and stop trying to pick fights, something you are doing more and more of.
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      Reply #54 : Sep 09, 2017 02:12:36 pm »
      Try actually reading what I wrote.

      And yes, you are attacking my opinion, at no point did I say that I didn't believe what Klopp says, only that other people made a lot of the fact that they didn't believe what he said about coutinho's back injury.

      So kindly bugger off and have a whinge at someone else, and stop trying to pick fights, something you are doing more and more of.

      "With Lazar, it's no secret that if he finds a club then we will negotiate".  :o

      "Klopp hasn't made any of us privy to his plans".  ???

      Excuse me if I don't buy into the desperate need to try to spin failure into positives, and rather see this as clutching at straws. You can change the goalposts as much as you like, I never brought other people into it or even Coutinho.
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      Reply #55 : Sep 09, 2017 02:15:49 pm »
      "With Lazar, it's no secret that if he finds a club then we will negotiate".  :o

      "Klopp hasn't made any of us privy to his plans".  ???

      Excuse me if I don't buy into the desperate need to try to spin failure into positives, and rather see this as clutching at straws. You can change the goalposts as much as you like, I never brought other people into it or even Coutinho.

      Yeah, because you posted it after I'd posted when I didn't know he'd said it.
      I accepted your word on what Klopp had said, and then only said that he can also change his mind, given that the player is here  when our cup comps start.

      What's so f**king difficult to understand about that?
      I said all of that about Couts before you decided to pile in and start playing silly buggers.

      You're just determined to pick a fight, for some peculiar reason.
      Go and pick one elsewhere, I'm not playing your silly games.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #56 : Sep 09, 2017 03:31:11 pm »
      Round here we have busses saying 'some people are gay get over it'

      Markovic is sh*t get over it.
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      Reply #57 : Sep 30, 2017 01:11:00 pm »
      What a huge waste of money.

      Klopp has no interest to even select him in match days squads.

      It's transfers like this which is why clauses such as up to 20m...5m with added bonuses based on success are negotiated a lot in modern football.
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #58 : Sep 30, 2017 05:24:00 pm »
      Has J├╝rgen changed his mind about Lazar yet?
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      Re: Lazar Markovic (Fiorentina)
      Reply #59 : Sep 30, 2017 06:03:56 pm »
      Has J├╝rgen changed his mind about Lazar yet?

      Ask the voices in your head.
      They seem to have a direct line to him.

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