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      Final Net Spend Values
      Aug 31, 2017 10:35:57 pm
      So these are the updated net spend numbers of the top 6 clubs in the PL via TransferMrkt updated as of the close. Tribunal fees are counted as free transfers until the final number is determined.

      Liverpool

      Total market value arrivals       £80.10
      Total market value depart         £37.75

      Net transfer                                £42.35



      Chelsea

      Total market value arrivals        £126.10
      Total market value depart         £110.50

      Net transfer                                 £15.60


      Manchester United

      Total market value arrivals       £147.96
      Total market value depart        £7.65

      Net transfer                               £140.31


      Manchester City         

      Total market value arrivals     £219.87
      Total market value depart      £75.02

      Net transfer                            £144.85



      Arsenal

      Total market value arrivals   £47.70
      Total market value depart    £61.83

      Net transfer                           £ -14.13


      Tottenham Hotspur

      Total market value arrivals  £66.60
      Total market value depart   £89.64

      Net transfer                          £-23.04



      In order of the all important net transfer final positions

      Manchester City        £144.85
      Manchester United   £140.31
      Liverpool                    £42.35
      Chelsea                      £15.60
      Arsenal                      £-14.13
      Spurs                         £-23.04
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #1: Aug 31, 2017 11:06:43 pm
      Only stat im concerned with is the fact we have done nothing about our weak spot.
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #2: Aug 31, 2017 11:10:10 pm
      Only stat im concerned with is the fact we have done nothing about our weak spot.

      CB is a serious concern of mine also...really the only one I had going into this window once Salah was done.

      As others have said, it makes no sense as to why we did not even try to bring in a younger CB to groom while we waited to try again on VVD.

      Only the manger and a select few will ever know the answer though.
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #3: Aug 31, 2017 11:12:14 pm
      Thought I'd add our net spends since FSG took over:-

      2011/12  +£39m
      2012/13  +£54m
      2013/14  +£23m
      2014/15  +£47m
      2015/16  +£32m
      2016/17  -£5m
      2017/18  +£42m (so far)

      Liverpool average: £33m per season

      Compared to our rivals' average over the same period:

      Man City: £93m per season
      Man Utd: £88m per season
      Chelsea: £31m per season
      Arsenal: £27m per season

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      Reply #4: Aug 31, 2017 11:12:49 pm
      Only stat im concerned with is the fact we have done nothing about our weak spot.

      I bet Michael Edwards' wife tells him to go the shop to buy some milk and proceeds to scans the shelves, buys a tin of beans, cereal, bread, some fruit and veg, pays at the till and leaves the shop...forgetting the milk.
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #5: Aug 31, 2017 11:20:36 pm
      Thought I'd add our net spends since FSG took over:-

      2011/12  +£39m
      2012/13  +£54m
      2013/14  +£23m
      2014/15  +£47m
      2015/16  +£32m
      2016/17  -£5m
      2017/18  +£42m (so far)

      Liverpool average: £33m per season

      Compared to our rivals' average over the same period:

      Man City: £93m per season
      Man Utd: £88m per season
      Chelsea: £31m per season
      Arsenal: £27m per season

      Well to be fair, we haven't got the money like Utd and City so it seems appropriate?!

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      Reply #6: Aug 31, 2017 11:21:26 pm
      So these are the updated net spend numbers of the top 6 clubs in the PL via TransferMrkt updated as of the close. Tribunal fees are counted as free transfers until the final number is determined.

      Liverpool

      Total market value arrivals       £80.10
      Total market value depart         £37.75

      Net transfer                                £42.35



      Chelsea

      Total market value arrivals        £126.10
      Total market value depart         £110.50

      Net transfer                                 £15.60


      Manchester United

      Total market value arrivals       £147.96
      Total market value depart        £7.65

      Net transfer                               £140.31


      Manchester City         

      Total market value arrivals     £219.87
      Total market value depart      £75.02

      Net transfer                            £144.85



      Arsenal

      Total market value arrivals   £47.70
      Total market value depart    £61.83

      Net transfer                           £ -14.13


      Tottenham Hotspur

      Total market value arrivals  £66.60
      Total market value depart   £89.64

      Net transfer                          £-23.04



      In order of the all important net transfer final positions

      Manchester City        £144.85
      Manchester United   £140.31
      Liverpool                    £42.35
      Chelsea                      £15.60
      Arsenal                      £-14.13
      Spurs                         £-23.04

      You only went and did it...
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #7: Aug 31, 2017 11:32:32 pm

      Somebody was going to  :couch:
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #8: Aug 31, 2017 11:34:42 pm
      Well to be fair, we haven't got the money like Utd and City so it seems appropriate?!



      In all seriousness it is, people need to realise that we simply do not have the financial muscle of the Manchester clubs. I'm still pissed off we didn't get a CB though, even one on loan would do.
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      Reply #9: Aug 31, 2017 11:36:07 pm
      In all seriousness it is, people need to realise that we simply do not have the financial muscle of the Manchester clubs. I'm still pissed off we didn't get a CB though, even one on loan would do.

      You're making out we had a tenner. Don't care what they've got. We've got sufficient funds.
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      Reply #10: Aug 31, 2017 11:38:01 pm
      You're making out we had a tenner. Don't care what they've got. We've got sufficient funds.

      Have you looked at the clubs books, how do you know what the budget was beyond reading tweets from ITK's?
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #11: Aug 31, 2017 11:47:22 pm
      In terms of departures, £0 lost for us in terms of value to the squad.
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      Reply #12: Aug 31, 2017 11:59:01 pm
      Where is all that TV and CL money going if we supposedly lack the funds?

      You have mid-table clubs and Premier League minnows smashing their transfer records and signing players for sums that were previously unthinkable for them, but a club of our stature can't even afford a top class CB?

      Bollocks. Bullshit. Brickleberry.
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      Reply #13: Aug 31, 2017 11:59:25 pm
      CB is a serious concern of mine also...really the only one I had going into this window once Salah was done.

      As others have said, it makes no sense as to why we did not even try to bring in a younger CB to groom while we waited to try again on VVD.

      Only the manger and a select few will ever know the answer though.

      I find the "bring a young CB to groom" idea a peculiar one. With plenty of talent in the youth department, isn't that where we groom already? Any CB that was going to be brought in needed to be a starter, and immediately better than anything we have. That cuts down the options right there. I'm frustrated this Van Dijk deal didn't come off, but I'm not sure just grabbing whatever slapper was keen at 4am in the club is the right move either.
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      Reply #14: Sep 01, 2017 12:06:37 am
      I find the "bring a young CB to groom" idea a peculiar one. With plenty of talent in the youth department, isn't that where we groom already? Any CB that was going to be brought in needed to be a starter, and immediately better than anything we have. That cuts down the options right there. I'm frustrated this Van Dijk deal didn't come off, but I'm not sure just grabbing whatever slapper was keen at 4am in the club is the right move either.


      Just not to aware of talent at that position in the youth set-up...we have not seen any taken on tour nor touted (not counting Gomez btw)...just think a fella like Tah at Leverkusen would have fit the bill as a decent Sub and someone you could build with along with VVD.
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      Reply #15: Sep 01, 2017 12:11:06 am
      A good OP, some interesting figures, but I don't see the point, with all due respect.
      And that's only because I have a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to these things.

      My only concern is "have we improved the team/squad".

      To me, the answer is yes.
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      Reply #16: Sep 01, 2017 12:14:27 am
      In terms of departures, £0 lost for us in terms of value to the squad.

      And putting it another way, a net gain, perhaps in more than monetary terms with Sakho gone.

      I have a hard time believing he's that bad, but apparently Klopp thinks he is, and it's his team, so there you go.

      I enjoy Klopps role; he has the power, and apparently, he's not afraid to use it.
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      Reply #17: Sep 01, 2017 12:15:19 am
      but I don't see the point, with all due respect.

      To some it means everything Swab....I just posted it as a way to look at what the clubs I consider our biggest rivals in the top spots accomplished.

      Think City massively overpaid on FB's, while I think Spurs once again managed to keep it's spine intact and got a helluva deal on Walker.
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      Reply #18: Sep 01, 2017 12:19:37 am
      To some it means everything Swab....I just posted it as a way to look at what the clubs I consider our biggest rivals in the top spots accomplished.

      Think City massively overpaid on FB's, while I think Spurs once again managed to keep it's spine intact and got a helluva deal on Walker.

      Yeah, I know, and if I fail to understand it as a way of expressing quality in a team, that's my issue, no one elses.

      I think about signings, but not in terms of cost, rather in terms of contribution, and I think we're doing well, and catching up.
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      Reply #19: Sep 01, 2017 12:24:58 am
      Yeah, I know, and if I fail to understand it as a way of expressing quality in a team, that's my issue, no one elses.

      I think about signings, but not in terms of cost, rather in terms of contribution, and I think we're doing well, and catching up.

      One of the reasons I think Spurs have done so well as of late is they're ability to keep the team together and only lose 1-2 players a year and integrate the new players into a system that is already functioning well as a squad.

      You can lose 1-2 first team players a year and be fine if the rest of the squad is a cohesive unit...its the massive turnover that burns you.

      I agree though we are catching up.
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      Reply #20: Sep 01, 2017 12:46:13 am
      Have you looked at the clubs books, how do you know what the budget was beyond reading tweets from ITK's?

      You think we don't have much money to spend if we want to?
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #21: Sep 01, 2017 04:50:25 am
      Net spend is bogus when taken in to consideration in isolation.

      Anyhow...

      Sold no one of significance and added to our squad - a positive.

      Still needed a CB - a negative.

      Still positive we'll be in the top 3 at the very least. Our attack will cover for our defensive deficiencies but for next season that has to be addressed 100%.

      Now let's talk f**king footy and not numbers for the love of Christ :D
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      Reply #22: Sep 01, 2017 06:35:12 am

      Let's look at one window in isolation; not too shabby; eh? 😂😂😂

      "Ah but... ah but... I'm only giving you the info. Not trying to twist anything"

      Spending £500m on [value for money] mediocrity or £500m on top talent: there's the difference. "Next year"; right? 🙄
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      Reply #23: Sep 01, 2017 06:58:56 am
      but I'm not sure just grabbing whatever slapper was keen at 4am in the club is the right move either.

      But.... sometimes, just sometimes that slapper turns out to be the best night of your life  :P
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      Reply #24: Sep 01, 2017 07:27:26 am
      To some it means everything Swab....I just posted it as a way to look at what the clubs I consider our biggest rivals in the top spots accomplished.



      It really is irrelevant to compare net spend against 'rivals' because it depends where they are and what they need in comparison.

      The question is did we solve what we had to prior to this window irrespective of net..

      Answer. Sorry it's got to be a no so therefore the window has ultimately been another failure.

      I'm happy with a couple of the players in, I think they are really really good players in terms of Salah and Chamberlain but the squad still has issues that we haven't sorted and that makes it a letdown
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      Reply #25: Sep 01, 2017 07:48:43 am
      It really is irrelevant to compare net spend against 'rivals' because it depends where they are and what they need in comparison.

      The question is did we solve what we had to prior to this window irrespective of net..

      Answer. Sorry it's got to be a no so therefore the window has ultimately been another failure.

      I'm happy with a couple of the players in, I think they are really really good players in terms of Salah and Chamberlain but the squad still has issues that we haven't sorted and that makes it a letdown

      Yep it was a failure mate
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      Reply #26: Sep 01, 2017 08:06:19 am
      It really is irrelevant to compare net spend against 'rivals' because it depends where they are and what they need in comparison.

      The question is did we solve what we had to prior to this window irrespective of net.
      Spot on buddy. For e.g. we could sell a world class striker (the catalyst for all attacks) and spend twice as much on okay players in all other positions but...

      If you buy pish in the one area you're now lacking [striker]; it doesn't matter how much you spend.

      The lads we brought in this window, good as they are in their own right, aren't exactly what was needed. They are the type you look to AFTER you've addressed the big issue, in my opinion, obviously.

      The proof of the pudding will always be in the eating and i genuinely hope i am wrong but right now; that window was a big anti-climax. 😕
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      Reply #27: Sep 01, 2017 08:45:20 am
      Let's look at one window in isolation; those two games we won against Hoffeneim will cover our out lay no matter how dismally we do in the group stages where we'll earn over £50m in gate, tv money and for just turning up..

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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #28: Sep 01, 2017 10:36:00 am
      Have you looked at the clubs books, how do you know what the budget was beyond reading tweets from ITK's?

      Shouldn't need to have to analyse books to realise that in order to be successful (and I believe we are supposed to be one of the top 10 richest clubs) you need to invest each transfer window.

      Being as we spent zero each of the last two windows it would not be too difficult to presume that the budget for both of those windows (and I mean more than £10) plus the budget for this window should be available.

      We are basically just falling further away each transfer window that goes on in terms of squad value.
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      Re: Final Net Spend Values
      Reply #29: Sep 01, 2017 10:43:27 am
      You think we don't have much money to spend if we want to?

      I do actually think we have money to spend but we are not in a position or mindset to piss money up the wall and I respect that. Take the Lemar deal for example, £75 million for a mostly unproven player in this market would be ok'ish but £90 is really taking the piss, that is one hell of a lot of money in a massively inflated market and you could only sanction that if you desperately needed the player, like Arsenal, but we don't, we have plenty of attackers already.
      The only position/player I'm annoyed about is VVD, but I really do think that is more a case of Southampton being idiots in how they conduct their business. It makes zero sense for them not to sell him, and that was heart ruling the head, I'm astonished the new owners allowed it. Yes you could make the same argument about us and Coutinho, but the situation is quite different.

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