Woodburn v TAA v Brewster

Might seem a strange topic but im intrigued to see who people think will go on to be a huge star for the club. Ben Woodburn Trent or Brewster? Maybe someone else?

Massive potential in them but it doesnt always come to fruition. Who in 20 years from now will most likely be in the " legend" category.

Might seem a strange topic but im intrigued to see who people think will go on to be a huge star for the club. Ben Woodburn Trent or Brewster? Maybe someone else?

Massive potential in them but it doesnt always come to fruition. Who in 20 years from now will most likely be in the " legend" category.

Great topic.

Star power tends to be most closely-connected to goals, so I think that puts Trent at a disadvantage, although he's clearly the one farthest along with the first team just now.

Woodburn has shown he knows where the goal is, but then Brewster, from what I'm told, is the one some of the staff are most excited about. That's second-hand so take it for what it's worth, but I look forward to seeing him in those European youth games.

If this is a vote, I'm going to go with Rhian Brewster.

I know nothing about Brewser so can't give an opinion but I do think that both Woodburn and TAA will become outstanding players for us.

Star power tends to be most closely-connected to goals, so I think that puts Trent at a disadvantage, although he's clearly the one farthest along with the first team just now.

He can whip in a good cross and is good with corners and free kicks. His opportunities are there to create goals and our fans should be smarter than judging players based on goals. No problem for me there if he keeps linking up, create or even better score goals.

Brewster is a real talent but it's far too early to tell with him.

I really like Woodburn and think he's got a chance with a manager like Klopp, however it's still about playing time and where Ben plays then it's the real impact third of the pitch And where we have so many established senior pros it may be difficult for him to get enough time to really develop right now unless he has a spike in development so acute that we wont really see it coming.

Trent is in a position where he is going to get the best playing time to develop. He played midfield at all the age groups coming through and still could move there. Steven played right back when he first broke in to the side too.

For me as we stand right now on these three my predictions would be

Brewster : I dont think he'll make it, for a similar reason a Woodburn, I don't see where he gets minutes in the first team the role he plays.

Woodburn : Klopp is giving him every chance by dropping him slightly deeper to get him more minutes and have more rounded game. I'm unsure on him whether he will become a long term start for the club  unless he has a real spike in development in the next 6 months

Trent : Will make over 500 apparences for the club

I think Virtue would be another to look at if he is given the opportunity!

TAA for me. Looks like he could go on to be one hell of a player; good going forward, good at defending and has one hell of a delivery on him.
 Woodburn has looked decent enough but I have my doubts over whether he will go on to become a top class player. Hope I'm wrong but hes never really massively impressed me when he has played for us.
Brewster, never really seen him play. I think if he was going to amount to anything we'd have seen him given some game time by now. Again, hope in massively wrong.

I know nothing about Brewser so can't give an opinion but I do think that both Woodburn and TAA will become outstanding players for us.

I hope he doesn't have a Welsh Grandad.

TAA for me. Looks like he could go on to be one hell of a player; good going forward, good at defending and has one hell of a delivery on him.
 Woodburn has looked decent enough but I have my doubts over whether he will go on to become a top class player. Hope I'm wrong but hes never really massively impressed me when he has played for us.
Brewster, never really seen him play. I think if he was going to amount to anything we'd have seen him given some game time by now. Again, hope in massively wrong.

When you consider Woodburn is 17 years old, Wales can't score, this is a team with Bale and Ramsey... Woodburn comes on.. scores. 3 days later.. Wales can't score.. Woodburn comes on and assist. Had he chose to play for England he would be waiting longer for his debut.. but he also scored for Liverpool in league cup. If that is him at 17, I just can't imagine what he will be like at 27.. unplayable. He is the kind of player that England usually get once in a generation... and he will never kick a ball for England 

When you consider Woodburn is 17 years old, Wales can't score, this is a team with Bale and Ramsey... Woodburn comes on.. scores. 3 days later.. Wales can't score.. Woodburn comes on and assist. Had he chose to play for England he would be waiting longer for his debut.. but he also scored for Liverpool in league cup. If that is him at 17, I just can't imagine what he will be like at 27.. unplayable. He is the kind of player that England usually get once in a generation... and he will never kick a ball for England 

I couldn't care less about the England team so makes no difference to me whether he plays for Wales or England. But look at the calibre of team he got the goal and assist against. I'm not taking anything away from him, not in the slightest because it was a cracking goal and deserves all the praise he gets for it, but it's hardly like he was up against Germany or Italy so I wouldn't go as far as saying he will be unplayable when he's 27 because of what happened in them 2 appearances. He has a long way to go yet.

Great topic.

Star power tends to be most closely-connected to goals, so I think that puts Trent at a disadvantage, although he's clearly the one farthest along with the first team just now.

Woodburn has shown he knows where the goal is, but then Brewster, from what I'm told, is the one some of the staff are most excited about. That's second-hand so take it for what it's worth, but I look forward to seeing him in those European youth games.

If this is a vote, I'm going to go with Rhian Brewster.

Bombing down the right flank, whipping crosses in, getting assists, scoring goals, defending well can provide a level of excitement as much as any striker could. Plus TAA is a local lad. Anyway, I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWA2VDqPts

Brewster looks fantastic but we've had dozens of young strikers who smash them in at youth level and then disappear into nothing. Not sure that'll happen with Rhian but it's too early to tell with him I think.

Both TAA and Woodburn I see as potential fixtures in our teams. They both seem technically good and mentally strong. Woodburn in particular strikes me as a player with a great footballing brain already.

I can't split the two, all I know is it's a credit to our academy that we're getting these talented, intelligent guys coming through and here's hoping there's many more to come.

When you consider Woodburn is 17 years old, Wales can't score, this is a team with Bale and Ramsey... Woodburn comes on.. scores. 3 days later.. Wales can't score.. Woodburn comes on and assist. Had he chose to play for England he would be waiting longer for his debut.. but he also scored for Liverpool in league cup. If that is him at 17, I just can't imagine what he will be like at 27.. unplayable. He is the kind of player that England usually get once in a generation... and he will never kick a ball for England 

Stop acting so butthurt over your beloved 'ENGERLAAAAAND' and wake up and smell the coffee and realise that they are a cesspit of football depravity backed and reviled (occasionally at the same time) by a vile, voyeuristic media with a coaching setup that has in the past treated our players with disdain and ignorance often resulting in injury. Oh and the obvious fact that they are a f**king embarrassment who can turn respectful individuals into national jokes EVERY two years. And yet you still wonder why he didn't want to play for England?

Now - continue acting all betrayed or shut the f**k up and support LIVERPOOL'S Ben Woodburn.

Brewster is a real talent but it's far too early to tell with him.

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Brewster : I dont think he'll make it, for a similar reason a Woodburn, I don't see where he gets minutes in the first team the role he plays.

Huh?

Huh?

The two statements are separate mate.

The top ones were where I think they are... The second one a prediction of what they will do.

As I said I think Brewster is a talent but I'm not sure he will ultimately make it here because I don't see where or how he gets into the side mainly because it's harder to make an impact in the attacking areas due to the  pressure to deliver end product and the established players we have and trust in those roles 

Bombing down the right flank, whipping crosses in, getting assists, scoring goals, defending well can provide a level of excitement as much as any striker could. Plus TAA is a local lad. Anyway, I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWA2VDqPts

Oh I think he can be a top player with us for years,and as I said, he's the closest one to being there now. I'm just commenting on the concept of "big star" which I find to involve a certain amount of public opinion, media hype, etc. That tends to go toward players who score goals. I don't think it's the same thing as "best player."

For me, if 11 anonymous players can win the league and other competitions, that's perfectly fine.

Now - continue acting all betrayed or shut the f**k up and support LIVERPOOL'S Ben Woodburn.

I support him at Liverpool. I hope Wales flop like they did with Giggs.

I support him at Liverpool. I hope Wales flop like they did with Giggs.

Instead of the multi trophy winning England team who lost to a supermarket

Instead of the multi trophy winning England team who lost to a supermarket

Well, atleast we beat Turkey in the warm up game before that.

You really would have to fancy Liverpool's youngest ever goalscorer who scored on his debut (playing 20 minutes of the game) and then got an assist in his second game (of which he played 30 minutes) at the age of 17 'should' go on to make a career out of the game.

Looks like he could go on to provide more than enough competition for the Adam Lallana position in the next few years.

TAA, to me, looks like a better winger than defender.  I'd imagine as long as he stays playing for a manager, and a system, who plays the system to suit him he will go on to have a big career.

Too early to say with Brewster - had a lot of false dawns that haven't made it seriously into the first team like the other two already have.

On the balance of what I've seen, and where they play, I'd go for the gut feeling that TAA will have the better career at LFC...!

Not seen enough of Brewster to be honest but from what i hear he's ticking all the right boxes so hopefully he can come through and be a player we can all wax lyrical about,

Ben Woodburn; i think we have a player here who will just get better and better, he's 17 Ffs, a kid, who is already a international and has scored goals at senior level and made invaluable contributions along the way, most noticeably last night's assist, Ben made the correct decision picking Wales over England, England would have ruined him imo, and there is too much competition, with Wales he'll have more opportunities and less weight on his shoulders, as for playing with us, well Klopp's not stupid is he, he sees something in Ben that we don't or expect to see from Ben, i can see him having a very long career with LFC, Gerrard like career in terms of longevity,


TAA; This bloke is the real deal, i'm talking legend status,(in time) seriously, this fella has it all, bright, intelligent, football brain, delivers pristine balls into the box with precision, his passing will come with time, can shoot the nipples off a gnat from 25yrds, i'm hoping England DON'T come calling any time soon but feel it's inevitable,

this kid will achieve everything the game has to offer, and some, i'd have him tied down to a very lonnngggg deal, and perhaps most importantly he's scouse and he's a Winner, a definite future Captain.

really excited to see how this lad flourishes.


YNWA

There have been too many false dawns in the recent past. The last player to have progressed from the academy and who could establish himself in the first team is now overseeing that someone else from the u18 team can replicate his feat. Kids from the academy who we thought would make it to the first team have flattered to deceive. As a fan you end up disappointed just when you think that a particular batch is going to produce a golden generation. Jack Robinson, Martin Kelly, Adam Morgan, Suso, Jordan Rossiter were all touted to be the next Gerrard/Carra/Fowler et al.. But, unfortunately that never happened and their career has either faltered or they are plying their trade in a different team/league.

Not to be a killjoy, but, I would really want the kids to play for one or two more years to make any sort of prediction.

I like TAA but if people aren't seriously excited about this lad there is something wrong! This kid is the reason we won't get too upset when Coutinho buggers off in 12 months time. BIG FUTURE.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTJDjEsEv8


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ERqW-9dBI_4

I like TAA but if people aren't seriously excited about this lad there is something wrong! This kid is the reason we won't get too upset when Coutinho buggers off in 12 months time. BIG FUTURE.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTJDjEsEv8


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ERqW-9dBI_4

He also scored on his Anfield debut.

I like TAA but if people aren't seriously excited about this lad there is something wrong! This kid is the reason we won't get too upset when Coutinho buggers off in 12 months time. BIG FUTURE.

As soon as he came on vs Moldova and Austria, you could see he had a presence in attack. I wanted the ball into his feet at every opportunity, more so than Bale and Ramsey!!!

I think he is a specialist player, and actually reminds me of James. I think he has the potential to be a special player, but Klopp needs to trust him  a little bit more imo, like how he does with TAA to reach that level.

I don't know Brewster. TAA is a lock for being a top drawer player. He has looked at times the most experienced and competent player on the pitch in the games he's played this year. Woodburn is trying to keep up with him and make sure he is in the first team. Ultimately they will be judged by what they do at the very top. Both TAA and Woodburn have impressed, but TAA shades it for me because he has done it for Liverpool.

A welcome thread to discuss positivity!

Can't comment on Brewster but his pedigree is top class, so far.

TAA will have the most chance to cement a spot out of the three but i just love how Woodburn plays. He has a brain and doesn't rely on pace or strength.

Can't split the two. And that makes me very excited.

its like choosing between Gerrard and Fowler. Both TAA and Ben would be great players for LFC in years to come.

For now TAA looks like the real deal but I see Ben doing an Owen for us in no time.

Rhain I have heard a lot about but for strikers its a bit difficult to break into the 1st team so for now based on what I know I will go with TAA cos he has a chance to play more 1st team footy and develop in the early years hopefully than the other 2.

But its a great period for LFC youngsters and we have a coach who also believes in blooding them into the 1st team.

Too early all this.

TAA is getting game time so he is closer to the 1st team, but that is only because Clyne is injured and there is no real competition for that place. It is not a true indication of the progress of the player, but, he does have a fantastic opportunity now to try and show Klopp what he can do.

Wooburn and Brewster obviously struggle to get game time because we now have a wealth of talent in those areas. I can't see either getting any real consideration for some time. The odd cup game is all.

In terms of their future, well who can say? Times have changed. We haven't had the likes of a Gerrard. We've had several names come through the ranks and drift away. Some of those talented, some were shocking.

How about Ojo? Ibe? Sterling? They were supposed to be the next great Liverpool legend. Nothing came of them. I mean Sterling is still on a level (of some sort) but he's moved on. Even if TAA, Woodburn and Brewster "make it", would they stay here? Would they become a club legend? What are the lottery numbers?

Too early all this.

TAA is getting game time so he is closer to the 1st team, but that is only because Clyne is injured and there is no real competition for that place. It is not a true indication of the progress of the player, but, he does have a fantastic opportunity now to try and show Klopp what he can do.

Wooburn and Brewster obviously struggle to get game time because we now have a wealth of talent in those areas. I can't see either getting any real consideration for some time. The odd cup game is all.

In terms of their future, well who can say? Times have changed. We haven't had the likes of a Gerrard. We've had several names come through the ranks and drift away. Some of those talented, some were shocking.

How about Ojo? Ibe? Sterling? They were supposed to be the next great Liverpool legend. Nothing came of them. I mean Sterling is still on a level (of some sort) but he's moved on. Even if TAA, Woodburn and Brewster "make it", would they stay here? Would they become a club legend? What are the lottery numbers?

Bang goes the positivity in this thread, congratulations Mr Killjoy!

TAA has impressed me most, duo much so that I'm almost glad Clyne got injured still that Trent could get this opportunity. I like Clyne too, but he's just a decent average player imo. Trent has so much more potential.

Wooburn may struggle to get game time, unless Sturridge gets injured again, so he might not get the opportunity to reach his potential here.

I don't know anything about Brewster so I can't give an opinion.

Wooburn may struggle to get game time, unless Sturridge gets injured again, so he might not get the opportunity to reach his potential here.

I think Klopp  is giving him the best chance to make it by dropping him slightly deeper in his development.

In pre season he gave  him time in an attacking midfield role rather than as a forward. He will be more getting minutes in a Lallana , Coutinho, Gini  role rather than up against Sturridge,  Firmino etc

Dropping him there also gives him a more rounded view of the  game, getting on the ball with players ahead of him as well as behind him.

I don't think he has the pace of say an Owen and football has changed since the early 90s when Fowler broke through.

He's got a chance but for me he needs a real spike in development this year to show that he can become a real first team option for the beginning of next season when likely Coutinho is gone, Lallana is another year older...

Any chances he gets this year and what he does in training will show Klopp that he doesn't necessarily need to buy to replace Coutinho next summer and that he's a genuine option.

Klopp will give him every opportunity, it's up to him over the next 12 months

If it is on goals then it may well be a close thing especially if TAA keeps up with his free kick taking!!  providing he does not turn into a Roberto Carlos and start shooting from 85 yards out 

Bens time might come in the next few seasons when we do decide to cash in on Coutinho. If hes not going to get game time here though then it would be an idea to loan him to a club where he will get some consistent mens football.

Joe Gomez (at CB I hope)
TAA
Woodburn
Solanke
Brewster
Tagseth

We got some real young talent in the program right now. Just thinking of the future gives me a semi

As a striker at this level it's very difficult for a young lad to get a sustained run. Even Kane is going thru a thin patch so what hope for a young kid to establish himself.

Rush didn't score for his first 8/9 games. A striker now would not get that time. Goals are currency and clubs just spend the necessary.

Slightly easier for a defender and TAA will have a big future here. Strikers live from goal to goal as do clubs. Strikers keep your bags packed..

Ben.

By a mile.

Too early all this.

TAA is getting game time so he is closer to the 1st team, but that is only because Clyne is injured and there is no real competition for that place. It is not a true indication of the progress of the player, but, he does have a fantastic opportunity now to try and show Klopp what he can do.

Wooburn and Brewster obviously struggle to get game time because we now have a wealth of talent in those areas. I can't see either getting any real consideration for some time. The odd cup game is all.

In terms of their future, well who can say? Times have changed. We haven't had the likes of a Gerrard. We've had several names come through the ranks and drift away. Some of those talented, some were shocking.

How about Ojo? Ibe? Sterling? They were supposed to be the next great Liverpool legend. Nothing came of them. I mean Sterling is still on a level (of some sort) but he's moved on. Even if TAA, Woodburn and Brewster "make it", would they stay here? Would they become a club legend? What are the lottery numbers?

at the TAA part.

at the TAA part.

What are you at?

The one thing I'm sure of from watching all 3 players (TAA most, obviously) is that all 3 have fantastic technique.
The way Woodburn took the ball down before scoring the other night was an absolute joy to see.

I've seen a lot of these young lads fall by the wayside over the years, so I can't confidently make a prediction, but confidence aside, TAA I think will be a good player.
But then I thought Wisdom had a bright future with us as well.

Too early all this.

TAA is getting game time so he is closer to the 1st team, but that is only because Clyne is injured and there is no real competition for that place. It is not a true indication of the progress of the player, but, he does have a fantastic opportunity now to try and show Klopp what he can do.

Wooburn and Brewster obviously struggle to get game time because we now have a wealth of talent in those areas. I can't see either getting any real consideration for some time. The odd cup game is all.

In terms of their future, well who can say? Times have changed. We haven't had the likes of a Gerrard. We've had several names come through the ranks and drift away. Some of those talented, some were shocking.

How about Ojo? Ibe? Sterling? They were supposed to be the next great Liverpool legend. Nothing came of them. I mean Sterling is still on a level (of some sort) but he's moved on. Even if TAA, Woodburn and Brewster "make it", would they stay here? Would they become a club legend? What are the lottery numbers?

No real competition? You clearly haven't seen us play recently where Gomez has been Klopp's choice, and when Clynee comes back refreshed you can add him too, we have Flanagan aswell although he has yet to feature?

YNWA

No real competition? You clearly haven't seen us play recently where Gomez has been Klopp's choice, and when Clynee comes back refreshed you can add him too, we have Flanagan aswell although he has yet to feature?

YNWA

Flanagan isn't competition, I am surprised he is still a Liverpool player. I mean no disrespect when I say he is not good enough! He had one average season in a defence that was shambolic in the season we came 2nd in the league. Flanagan won't feature in anything but league cup or perhaps FA cup, unless we get very unlucky with injuries at the back.

No real competition? You clearly haven't seen us play recently where Gomez has been Klopp's choice, and when Clynee comes back refreshed you can add him too, we have Flanagan aswell although he has yet to feature?

YNWA

I've seen Gomez play, but TAA is clearly ahead in the order. Flanagan is a goner.

It's fairly straight forward. No Clyne = TAA.

Flanagan is a goner.

Not even Burnley wanted him back. He was not really competing in that team either. He was that bad they were considering sending him back in last January.  Stephen Ward and Matthew Lowton were better than him.

TAA and Gomez are just completely different styles of play. We need both styles honestly. Gomez is a bigger version or Clyne and TAA is a Klopp FB that pushes up the pitch with excellent crosses and attacking instincts. Gomez is capable of putting the ball into the box with success unlike Clyne. In al honesty for me it's Gomez just because he is playing out of position and yet is still succeeding. In a perefect world the answer can be both if Klopp has enough confidence in Joe to put him back at CB and TAA commits more to defending. I think we see  all in the starting 11 with Joe at CB, TAA as the RB and Woodburn somewhere on the pitch (more unsure as the where right now) in a few years. With that said there all so young that I'm okay with them being squad players until they develop more. Rushing any of them into too much football to quick could hurt their confidence. Hopefully we play enough where they can get matches under their belt and still have the elder statesman get the big games.

Let's not overlook Ejaria either.
I think he looked very composed and almost graceful in the few moments he had in the first team last season.
Carries the ball well and has an eye for a pass.
Can see him also being there or there abouts in 12-18 months.

God Bless The Prince of Wales

Don't bother me a bit whether Woodburn represents Wales or England. More importantly. he is a Liverpool player. Him being in the Wales team may be a blessing in disguise and perhaps less chance of injury, unlike Lallana playing at 110% for the national team and come back injured for long spell. LFC is bigger than anything, except for your family members, players need to be reminded.

The one thing I'm sure of from watching all 3 players (TAA most, obviously) is that all 3 have fantastic technique.
The way Woodburn took the ball down before scoring the other night was an absolute joy to see.

I've seen a lot of these young lads fall by the wayside over the years, so I can't confidently make a prediction, but confidence aside, TAA I think will be a good player.
But then I thought Wisdom had a bright future with us as well.

I always thought with Wisdom that his problem was ge never had the physique of a full back but wasn't going to get games as a centre half.

I think Trent is a more natural fit for that position.

My one problem with Woodburn is that to play as a 10 at a top club is so difficult because its a position where clubs spend a lot of money on and usually they are the star of the team.

He needs a system to suit him and a run of games in his favoured position and thats very hard to get in such an important roll in a high pressure environment.

Even Coutinho could struggle at the moment to get into the team with our 2 lightning wide men, and our 3 hard working midfielders all looking good so far.

With that in mind I think Trent will get the most opportunity to shine in the next few years and could displace Clyne as the first choice right back. Ben could struggle for a way in to the team.

Brewster will similarly struggle to get past the big names in his position with Firmino, Sturridge and Solankie now ahead of him with Ings and Origi still about too.

Don't bother me a bit whether Woodburns represents Wales or England. More importantly he is a Liverpool player. Him being in the Wales team may be a blessing in disguise and perhaps less chance of injury, unlike Lallana playing at 110% for the national team and come back injured for long spell. LFC is bigger than anything, except for your family members, players needs to be reminded.

Agree that he's better off out of the England set up.  Pressure from idiotic pundits, pressure from moronic journalists, pressure from ignorant fans.
He'll enjoy playing for the Welsh team. They're a team after all, unlike the 3 lions.  Big difference.

I've been meaning to post in here for a while but I simply can't make up my mind. Firstly, I don't know enough about Brewster to include him in my personal evaluation but even narrowing it down to two I can't split them.

Trent has everything a footballer needs to go to the very top. Physique, intelligence, attitude, talent, technique, opportunity. I really can't see a scenario where he doesn't go on to make a successful career with us, the lad is a star in the making without question. Legend is a tough word to use though, even when talking about potential but he's the closest thing I've seen to Gerrardesque talent in a long, long time.

Woodburn is completely different in terms of physique but in terms of intelligence I think he's equally far ahead. There's something about the way he uses the ball that just ticks the right boxes, of course passes will miss their targets but you always get a glimpse of the idea behind the pass and I just love what I see with this lad. Also the way he strikes a ball, when you can connect that true so often, then with time you're going to become prolific from range. Shooting, imo, is less about accuracy than it is about the shape of a shot, sure they finish up in the corner but what I mean is that from every area of the pitch there is an arc that gives the keeper the least opportunity to save it, no matter if it's in the corner or not and Woodburn already displays the quality to take advantage of this. This is why I think his future is definitely in midfield and out of the two lads, if they both maximised their potential then Woodburn could genuinely be a legend.

I will say that it was so close between the two that I'm still not confident I've got it the right way around and wont be for a few years yet, these lads, at this young age can sky-rocket or plateau, so I just hope under the guidance of Jürgen and the excellent coaches around him that we can help these lads become the best they possibly can.