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      Do players need shuffling?

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      HUYTON RED
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #23: Sep 15, 2017 04:56:18 pm
      funny you say that, because I think he hasn't got the composure of a midfielder. I think it is worth a try as CB in the league cup game.

      Haha we're on the same level here then. I think it's worth just F***ing him back off to Sunderland!! He's the fall guy when Keita comes in anyway.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #24: Sep 15, 2017 05:02:16 pm
      Shuffling ? more like a b**licking from the manager.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #25: Sep 15, 2017 07:16:18 pm
                     Migs
      TAA  Lovren  Matip  Robertson
                   Hendo
       Salah                   Mane
                  Coutinho
          Sturridge   Firmino

      My Fifa brain talking but I always like 4-1-2-1-2, but I don't think our defense and defensive cover in midfield is anywhere near good enough to be honest to play that.
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      Reply #26: Sep 15, 2017 07:33:54 pm
      And to say we think some managers make odd decisions.

      Can you imagine a manager setting up like the OP 😂

      And to think we used to be famous for having smart fans who  understood  the  game
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #27: Sep 15, 2017 09:11:35 pm
      as much as I think Hendo is awful as a deep lying player or CM, when he gets back he has made some important blocks. He has tackled from the back and has a 70%+ successful rate. Believe it or not, he has better defensive stats than our defenders and he isn't a defender. He's quite tall... I think he'd do a better job than Lovren or Klavan and a better job than Lucas did. It should be tried out. I've seen this kind if thing before Gareth Bale used to be a very awful full back before he was tried a forward... I honestly think Hendos qualies suit CB.

      You know, majority of his tackling is down to his tracking back, pressing or us hunting in packs. His harrying forces the opposition to make a mistake, a mistake that allows him to nick the ball away/tackle, nothing like what you see from specialists and CB's.

      As for him being tall, does it matter? His aerial ability and awareness are poor. Look at Lucas over the years for us,  shorter than Lovren, Matip etc , yet was our best header of the ball.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #28: Sep 16, 2017 03:03:54 am
      Do our players need stuffing more like it.
      In glass jars in museums some of them.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #29: Sep 16, 2017 06:53:56 am
      Can could work as CB too. I'd rather try other options than Lovren. We have plenty of players who can slot in the middle. That TAA change might be slightly ambitious, but I'd prefer it to our current midfield.

      I wonder if TAA ever trains at midfielder with the first team.


      I really believe that TAA will much better player in CM than RB because he has an intelligent football mind and he thinks quickly. He is a little rush in his play in defense.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #30: Sep 17, 2017 06:15:48 pm
       Hendo in the back 4 ? with his sideways and backward passing, we'd concede about 40 corners per match, and with Migs, a few OG's as well.  ;D ;D ;D
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #31: Sep 17, 2017 06:47:16 pm
      I really believe that TAA will much better player in CM than RB because he has an intelligent football mind and he thinks quickly. He is a little rush in his play in defense.

      He's a little out of position at crucial moments too.  I'd forgive him that for now, but it needs working on. 

      TAA center mid?  Interesting idea, but we need defenders who can defend and defensive midfielders who can defend as well as start attacks.  I'm trying to see TAA in that role, but I can't.  On his day he can cross, too, and he can't do that from CM. 

      Look, I think its an interesting OP and as a team we've got a very unbalanced look in several ways, so I like the 'leftfield' thinking, but isn't there enough shuffling going on by JK?

      Isn't it time we knew our best XI and played them consistently?

      For me, bearing in mind who's available, its:

                                                             Karius
                                      TAA        Matip       Lovren        Robertson
           
                                        Henderson               Can (possibly Gini at home)

                            Salah                    Firmino                    Coutinho 

                                                      Sturridge

      The problem is who to play in attack.  We have Lallana who is pivotal to LFC and has to come in when fit, IMHO, and Sturridge who I believe needs 3x 90 mins to be a 15+ a season striker again, and a problem with who to drop when Lallana and Mane come back.  I'd pick Mane over Coutinho, personally.

      Enough shuffling the pack, we need a settled side. Especially at the back. 
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #32: Sep 17, 2017 07:00:29 pm
      Rib..

      Suprised your line up doesn't have Lovren upfront ..

      ;D
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #33: Sep 17, 2017 07:06:50 pm
      Rib..

      Suprised your line up doesn't have Lovren upfront ..

      ;D

      You're giving him ideas Shabs....

      Next topic starts....."remember the way he rose at the far stick against Dortmund? The desire? Imagine that on the end of those TAA or Robertson crosses......I reckon he'd get 25+ a season...."

       :f_whistle:
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #34: Sep 17, 2017 07:48:36 pm
      I don't know why anyone would want to try some of the aforementioned players as centre halfs, I think we can all agree we have major problems in that area and have for for longer than I care to remember. The biggest problem for me though is a lack of a leader there, an organiser, someone who doesn't mind giving out a bollocking to players when they drop a clanger. All too often these days a player drops a bollock and not one of his team mates will pull him into line. I watched the Southampton game early on Saturday against Palace, now VVD got around 15 minutes towards the end and his contribution was minimal in terms of touches, however the game was a drab affair and I decided when I could to just watch him. He was constantly talking to his team mates (defenders and midfielders), constantly looking around him to get to oh so important pictures in his head. We can go on all day about what we need, but until January at the earliest this is what we've got. But if we don't get VVD or an organiser and a leader of the ilk we can be as good going forward as you want but we won't win a thing.

      I think in all honesty with our squad as is and the form of our centre halfs I'd go with Matip as right centre half and Joe Gomez on the left of him. TAA, Robertson and Moreno alternating the full back slots to offer freshness.

      With Lallana and Clyne long term injuries where possible I'd go with

      Karius

      TAA
      Matip
      Gomez
      Roberston

      Milner/Ox
      Hendo/Gini
      Coutinho (tip of diamond 3 midfielders)

      Mane
      Firmino
      Salah

      My personal preference would be for Milner and Hendo as the other 2 for the simple fact there better at there defensive duties with the attacking 4 plus both attacking full backs there needs to be more emphasis on what's happening behind you from the other 2 midfielders.
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #35: Sep 18, 2017 02:00:36 am

                              Firmino
         Mane         Coutinho          Salah
                        ???                  ???
           ???        ???            Matip        ???
                                ???
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #36: Sep 18, 2017 02:42:59 am
      Here are two separate style lineups I would like to see.

      Ward
      TAA, Gomez, Matip, Robo
      Gini, Milner, Coutinho
      Mane, Bobby, Salah

      Karius
      Milner, Gomez, Matip, Robo
      Ox, Gini, Hendo, Coutinho
      Mane, Salah

      I know I will get a lot of flak for this lineup, but hear me out. We all hate the CB dilemma and want to see if Joe could improve us there. I am skeptical, but he is a natural CB and could he possible do any worse?

      I want to see Ward in goal

      Milner just seems to fit better with Salah, Mane, TAA, etc. He looks to push the ball up pitch, is a good passer, and isn't afraid to let the crosses go. He also seems to have better conditioning and doesn't wear down like the other lads. I also wouldn't mind seeing if he could improve us at RB. I mean he is a root footed player who played left back (and did fairly well until the end of the season when the number of games wore him down. Why not a right footed Mily at RB?  TAA needs to be brought along slowly.

      I want to see a 4-4-2 and it isn't a terrible option when you want to rest Bobby
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #37: Sep 18, 2017 04:07:31 pm
      Pep Guirdiola and Brendan Rodgers both wanted Can as a CB.

      He left Bayern because he didn't want to play there, maybe now he is older and less selfish he might be able to be converted?

      I think he has all the attributes to do well there. Definitely better than Lovren and Klavan!
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #38: Sep 18, 2017 07:02:40 pm
      Here are two separate style lineups I would like to see.

      Ward
      TAA, Gomez, Matip, Robo
      Gini, Milner, Coutinho
      Mane, Bobby, Salah

      Karius
      Milner, Gomez, Matip, Robo
      Ox, Gini, Hendo, Coutinho
      Mane, Salah

      I know I will get a lot of flak for this lineup, but hear me out. We all hate the CB dilemma and want to see if Joe could improve us there. I am skeptical, but he is a natural CB and could he possible do any worse?

      I want to see Ward in goal

      Milner just seems to fit better with Salah, Mane, TAA, etc. He looks to push the ball up pitch, is a good passer, and isn't afraid to let the crosses go. He also seems to have better conditioning and doesn't wear down like the other lads. I also wouldn't mind seeing if he could improve us at RB. I mean he is a root footed player who played left back (and did fairly well until the end of the season when the number of games wore him down. Why not a right footed Mily at RB?  TAA needs to be brought along slowly.

      I want to see a 4-4-2 and it isn't a terrible option when you want to rest Bobby

      I think that's a fair shout regarding Milly, mate.  As for your Gomez idea, I don't understand why it hasn't been tried.  JK seems to shuffle the other CBs regularly, so why not try a genuine one in his natural position?
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      Reply #39: Sep 18, 2017 08:04:08 pm
      I think that's a fair shout regarding Milly, mate.  As for your Gomez idea, I don't understand why it hasn't been tried.  JK seems to shuffle the other CBs regularly, so why not try a genuine one in his natural position?

      Wondered a few times last year why he didn't shift Clyne across and play Milner RB - which he'd done a reasonable amount at Citeh.....
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      Re: Do players need shuffling?
      Reply #40: Sep 19, 2017 01:34:30 am
      Wondered a few times last year why he didn't shift Clyne across and play Milner RB - which he'd done a reasonable amount at Citeh.....

      To me Milner is a genuine footballer. The dude can play a few different positions. Don't you want a guy like Mily on the pitch? I mean if u played him at LB why wouldn't you try him at RB? Seems like a better fit to me. I love me some Milner and would love to see him feature on the pitch more. To me he should be handed the captains band. He's selfless and will do anything to help the club win. His fitness is incredible and he seems so composed. Guys like Can don't want to play CB and seem a little selfish thinking on themselves before the club. Milner is team first and that's first class in my book. I want to see him given a chance at RB
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      Reply #41: Sep 19, 2017 02:09:59 am
      To me Milner is a genuine footballer. The dude can play a few different positions. Don't you want a guy like Mily on the pitch? I mean if u played him at LB why wouldn't you try him at RB? Seems like a better fit to me. I love me some Milner and would love to see him feature on the pitch more. To me he should be handed the captains band. He's selfless and will do anything to help the club win. His fitness is incredible and he seems so composed. Guys like Can don't want to play CB and seem a little selfish thinking on themselves before the club. Milner is team first and that's first class in my book. I want to see him given a chance at RB

      I love Milner. Not a fashionable thing to say amongst some on here but he's a 110% kind of footballer, a striver, a 'whole is greater than the parts' footballer not too far away from what Dirk Kuyt was. Even on matches where things aren't quite working out for him and he seems a bit off he never gives up - as evidenced throughout Dortmund at home. He seemed to take corner after corner that failed to get past the first man and it got to the point where the crowd, rather poorly in my opinion, gasped in exasperation. It didn't stop him and then right near the death he sends a perfectly weighted cross for Lovren to head in. Just epitomised him perfectly. Similar to Saturday - he wasn't the biggest asset in that first half but as the tempo and the belief seemed to wane from the team in searching for a winner Milner was doing most the work in trying to find that winner. Sorely unlucky not to score but for a flukey block by one of the Burnley players as well.

      Truth be told, I think he's the closest thing to a leader in our squad. Unlike some he isn't cowed and you know he will always leave the field, in good results or bad, knowing that he gave it his all. It wouldn't harm others if they took a leaf out of his book.
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