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      Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #506: Nov 21, 2017 10:04:28 pm
      No, its the way he has no answer, surely he knew Seville would come back at us,...... come on?,  reminds me of the final, 18 months ago, have you forgotten?
      So you say 1 player makes an error, and the team capitulates?

      One player makes two mistakes within minutes.
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      Reply #507: Nov 21, 2017 10:04:28 pm
      Vintage display from Henderson tonight. F**k all in attack, truly detrimental in defence to the point that his presence was as contributing a fact

      No he is not a 'scapegoat' - he is a problem. Go and watch how they get that corner at the death and Henderson's complete failure to stick a foot in and get a hold of the ball. Instead Sevilla are allowed to take a pop at goal, it deflects off for a corner. They take the corner, they score from the corner. 3-3. FT. Summed up his whole match. Clumsy fouling, caught in between no one and chasing shadows, inability to stick a foot in it. A f**king sh*t sh*t sh*t performance from the captain.

      He hasn't been much good in our comfortable victories following the Spurs atrocity, a mere passenger riding on the backs of those ahead of him. This season he has been amongst our worst players. At best he's looked average. At worst he's looked cowardly. No other way to put it.

      Start performing like the 'captain' he is and the supposed 6 year veteran of Liverpool FC that we 'hallow' him for.

      Spotfuckingon!
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #508: Nov 21, 2017 10:05:06 pm
      I don't think he deserves his place at LFC, let alone the startling lineup. He's been OK for a relatively short period of time. Jon Flanagan has had a longer period as a good starting left back for LFC and no one seriously considers him an option either. And no, I'm not being fickle, I've criticised the decision to stick him back into the team from the start. I don't know if Robertson is the answer but Moreno has been at the club long enough for us to know he isn't.

      And yeah of course it's easier to criticise Moreno than to praise him. That's because he's been at the club for what, 4 seasons? And not in a single one of them was he what might be described as a good, reliable player. So I don't see the point in exaggerating when he has a half decent perform nor do I think he's "proven the doubters wrong" because he did not f**k it up for five consecutive games.

      Can you see LFC challenging for trophies with Alberto Moreno, I personally can't, but I hope Jürgen Klopp is even more of a genius than I think he is

      Agree completely.
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      Reply #509: Nov 21, 2017 10:06:39 pm
      Vintage display from Henderson tonight. F**k all in attack, truly detrimental in defence to the point that his presence was as contributing a fact

      No he is not a 'scapegoat' - he is a problem. Go and watch how they get that corner at the death and Henderson's complete failure to stick a foot in and get a hold of the ball. Instead Sevilla are allowed to take a pop at goal, it deflects off for a corner. They take the corner, they score from the corner. 3-3. FT. Summed up his whole match. Clumsy fouling, caught in between no one and chasing shadows, inability to stick a foot in it. A F***ing sh*t sh*t sh*t performance from the captain.

      He hasn't been much good in our comfortable victories following the Spurs atrocity, a mere passenger riding on the backs of those ahead of him. This season he has been amongst our worst players. At best he's looked average. At worst he's looked cowardly. No other way to put it.

      Start performing like the 'captain' he is and the supposed 6 year veteran of Liverpool FC that we 'hallow' him for.

      It's so true it's painful.
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      Reply #510: Nov 21, 2017 10:06:49 pm
      Karius certainly didn't deserve to pick the ball out if own net 3 times tonight.

      Moreno will get the heat and fully so because despite his plaudits he has only been average this season but went back to full on Moreno.
      In fact both Fullbacks were pretty much roasted in that second half.
      The Centre backs, well it's obvious Klavan is not up to if at this level and Lovren doing his best walk about impressions.

      However the main reason we lost was the fact that Hendo and Gini stayed in the dressing room after half time, can't remember such a inept midfield performance in fact midfield wS completely surrendered to the opposition which is ok but with no pressure on Banega it's no wonder he took us to the cleaners.

      It's obvious we can't play quality sides with this sit back and hit the opposition on the break.
      1. Our midfield and useless at shielding the defence under constant pressure, and conversely under constant pressure our defence will crumble.
      2. The attack don't have the composure to keep hold of the ball to give the defence a break, look at how quickly they lost the ball.


      It's been said do often but we are still crying out for a deep lying midfielder who can shield the defence but also control the tempo.
      The sight of Hendo hoofing the ball was cringeworthy of a professional footballer never mind one who wears the LFC shirt.

       
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #511: Nov 21, 2017 10:09:33 pm
      Henderson and Gini can stay there.

      We'll take a paella and Ever Banega in return.

      https://twitter.com/ReviewFootball/status/933091106702598145

      It gets worse.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #512: Nov 21, 2017 10:09:44 pm
      However the main reason we lost was the fact that Hendo and Gini stayed in the dressing room after half time, can't remember such a inept midfield performance in fact midfield wS completely surrendered to the opposition which is ok but with no pressure on Banega it's no wonder he took us to the cleaners.

      They didn't emerge in the first half, either.

      Awful.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #513: Nov 21, 2017 10:10:21 pm
      Karius certainly didn't deserve to pick the ball out if own net 3 times tonight.

      Moreno will get the heat and fully so because despite his plaudits he has only been average this season but went back to full on Moreno.
      In fact both Fullbacks were pretty much roasted in that second half.
      The Centre backs, well it's obvious Klavan is not up to if at this level and Lovren doing his best walk about impressions.

      However the main reason we lost was the fact that Hendo and Gini stayed in the dressing room after half time, can't remember such a inept midfield performance in fact midfield wS completely surrendered to the opposition which is ok but with no pressure on Banega it's no wonder he took us to the cleaners.

      It's obvious we can't play quality sides with this sit back and hit the opposition on the break.
      1. Our midfield and useless at shielding the defence under constant pressure, and conversely under constant pressure our defence will crumble.
      2. The attack don't have the composure to keep hold of the ball to give the defence a break, look at how quickly they lost the ball.


      It's been said do often but we are still crying out for a deep lying midfielder who can shield the defence but also control the tempo.
      The sight of Hendo hoofing the ball was cringeworthy of a professional footballer never mind one who wears the LFC shirt.

       

      Exactly. Some of us forget that he's been a part of a defence that has conceded nearly 30 goals already this season so was the praise before tonight really justified?

      I couldn't believe what I was watching from Henderson tonight. He's been poor this season but that was shockingly bad tonight.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #514: Nov 21, 2017 10:10:25 pm
      Umm what happened?

      I had to step away and we were up 3-1?

      Heavy metal football?
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #515: Nov 21, 2017 10:11:02 pm
      Umm what happened?

      I had to step away and we were up 3-1?

      Heavy metal football?

      Vintage Liverpooling.

      'Individual errors', lack of bottle when game turned into a scrap and then a goal from a set piece at the death.
      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #516: Nov 21, 2017 10:11:33 pm

      A blank pitch. I literally thought the tweet had failed to load there.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #517: Nov 21, 2017 10:12:04 pm
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      Reply #518: Nov 21, 2017 10:12:51 pm
      Jumped up little blurt?

      Are you referring to me or Alberto Moreno's second half display tonight?

      Apologies if I feel the need to take it out on someone who cost us the chance of qualifying tonight like he did when he cost us the chance of the Europa League last year.

      There's a way of doing without sounding like a plazzy fan - see Diego's posts.
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      Reply #519: Nov 21, 2017 10:13:52 pm
      In fact both Fullbacks were pretty much roasted in that second half.

      I think this start to the season has helped show how underrated Clyne is. I love TAA on the ball and Gomez is also a good prospect, but Clyne is possibly our most reliable defender, even if he can be quite uninspiring in attack at times.
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      Reply #520: Nov 21, 2017 10:13:54 pm

      Seeing how most red allows point forward, I guess we should stop complaining about our captain's sideway and back passes  :)
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #521: Nov 21, 2017 10:14:10 pm
      1. Our midfield and useless at shielding the defence under constant pressure, and conversely under constant pressure our defence will crumble.
      2. The attack don't have the composure to keep hold of the ball to give the defence a break, look at how quickly they lost the ball.

      That's surprising because we are built for constant pressure and fast deadly counter attacks. That's why Mourinho plays always like a p*ssy against us, but in this game it didn't work in most of the 2nd half. We lost the ball at midfield or played overnervously.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #522: Nov 21, 2017 10:14:20 pm
      A shocking game forwards apart no midfield shocking how can you lose a 3-0  lead in 45 min when will Klopp learn
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      Reply #523: Nov 21, 2017 10:14:52 pm
      Seems the support had some bother


      https://twitter.com/TheAnfieldWrap/status/933063851800694784

      Sevilla 3 Liverpool 3: Match Review

      21 November 2017 9:51 pm
      by Neil Atkinson
      SEVILLE, SPAIN - Tuesday, November 21, 2017: An exterior view of the stadium before the UEFA Champions League Group E match between Sevilla FC and Liverpool FC at the Estadio Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán. (Pic by David Rawcliffe/Propaganda)

      LIVERPOOL 0-3 ahead on 30 minutes. Fabulous. Up the Reds.

      I have seen none of the goals.

      I see the replay of the third in a Seville bar where they make me welcome. Drinks across the bar. A seat made available on a table. Nice people. This is important. Nice people.

      The first goal I heard. I heard when outside the ground queuing to get in. We were there from about 8.25pm; me, Craig Hannan and Gareth Roberts. The match kicking off in 20 minutes but the queue massive and not moving forward. It moved sideways. The Liverpool supporters moved sideways to let police horses in.

      Finally it moved, a sudden flood. Then it stopped and the Liverpool supporters self policed. Demanded pushing stop. It did. Immediately. Then we waited and waited patiently. The Champions League music started and still we queued and while agitated people were broadly patient. The game kicks off and we hear the first Liverpool goal.

      There began to be movement, Liverpool 0-1, to other gates and through our gate. I pass the first police officer and then pass the first steward. The second steward asks to look in my bag and I oblige. Within it are a lot of wires.

      I understand this is no barrel of laughs. The steward has no table to open my bag and go through it, he just has a quick look. He has a crowd trying to get in. He is under pressure is my point. I understand this both then and now. He wants to take my bag off me. I ask how and when and where I will get it back. He isn’t the only one under pressure — our flight takes off at 1.30am. Allowing for being kept in and getting a cab everything is already tight. I’m trying to explain this as my bag is taken off me. I see Craig’s bag is in a similar boat and I ask again.

      They find me a more senior steward. This steward then finds another and she says it might take up to two hours to get mine and Craig’s bag back and they will be in gate 11. Both bags are matched away and I am without a ticket. They say they will put both our bags on the same ticket. This is unacceptable, a recipe for later chaos. I have no faith in any process here. In a snap decision I say I will not go in and keep both bags, she disappears to get them.

      I see Craig and for the first time in the day I see John Gibbons. John looks a bit distressed as he shouts towards me. After the fact, I find out someone he knows has ended up being very badly treated. At the time I shout to him I am fine but the bags need sorting. He disappears up the steps. The game is well underway.

      Only one bag is produced for me. Mine. This is completely counter productive. I want to make sure me, Gareth and Craig can make our plane and so I want Craig’s bag. I am trying to explain that but the stewards have had enough and start trying to force me out. Then they get the police involved. I think my body language was completely non threatening. But I’m 6ft1in and dressed wearing a bright red tracksuit top.

      When being aggressively removed by one ridiculously over-zealous police officer in particular I tell him to relax. I have no Spanish but he does the opposite until it is clear his colleague does likewise. I’m going, I say. I’m going. His colleague agrees, asserts. The aggression diminishes.

      Others weren’t as lucky with their police officers it seems. Everyone wants to talk fast. Anna Burgess has been stopped from entering because of her flag which she thought had been prior approved and then she has been forcibly stopped from going in.

      Sam Armstrong is there and Sam is marvellousness personified but in hindsight, and if I were a proper journalist, I should have grabbed them both — and more — there and then, but we were all safe, outside the perimeter and I decided I wanted to document what happened to me quickly, neutrally, while I remember the order of events clearly and communicate to Craig et al I am not in the stadium. Those who had also been refused entry wanted to go back into the city. That option is not open to me. I have to wait to get the flight.

      I am, among all this, shown a video of a supporter being ridiculously wrestled to the ground by a policeman. An act of aggression which looks outrageous.

      The thing is that I’m fine. I’m in a warm bar as I type. I’m not upset as the above should confirm. All has been written before the second half has begun, has been written in that gap between the third and the second half kicking off.

      My point is this — bad decisions have been made under needlessly really bad circumstances by people inadequately supported. A mentality was wrong first and foremost. Police visors were down and, it appears, from the video I saw, a man was assaulted. I was manhandled when there was no need. I saw no Liverpool stewards anywhere.

      It was an absolute mess and questions should be asked and answered. My hopes are not up. Reflection is not something which authorities are good at without being made to be and I hold out no hope this will happen here. Liverpool Football Club need to support their supporters as a bare minimum.

      More will come out. I’ve written down my experience here. Others will be far worse, I am certain of that.

      It’s also a shame. A massive shame. Seville is marvellous, you know. It’s picturesque without being twee. It’s a terrific place, gorgeous and reasonably priced and alive. It isn’t Disneyland. I’d recommend it to anyone. Unless you are going the game.

      The game. I see Sevilla’s comeback on television. They throw themselves at the second half. They scrap and battle and pull themselves into the game. The Liverpool manager makes changes to protect his footballers and good on him for that but finally the pressure breaks.

      Liverpool concede late. Painful. Frustrating. This thing of ours — I shouldn’t be thinking of that but obviously I am. I am. Let’s make sure we go through top now. Win the final game.

      Get home safely everyone. It goes from here.

      Much love as per. Much care. Because if we don’t care who will?

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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #524: Nov 21, 2017 10:15:00 pm
      They didn't emerge in the first half, either.

      Awful.

      Exactly, even though we were 3-0 up, they still out played out midfield and had them running around like headless chickens. It was just like the Final  vs Sevilla all over again.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #525: Nov 21, 2017 10:15:22 pm
      I think Klopp's post match PC will be interesting. :)
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      Reply #526: Nov 21, 2017 10:15:28 pm
      I think this start to the season has helped show how underrated Clyne is. I love TAA on the ball and Gomez is also a good prospect, but Clyne is possibly our most reliable defender, even if he can be quite uninspiring in attack at times.

      100% spot on Diego.

      I’ve said before I think Clyne is the only naturally defensive minded player in our entire backline.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #527: Nov 21, 2017 10:16:43 pm
      Vintage Liverpooling.

      'Individual errors', lack of bottle when game turned into a scrap and then a goal from a set piece at the death.

      Surely no other team in the world are better than Liverpool at throwing away games like that. You could feel it straight away from moment the second half whistle blew.

      We’re never comfortable even at 3-0. Never seen anything like it.
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      Re: Sevilla 3-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #528: Nov 21, 2017 10:17:14 pm
      Very unlikely to happen though, they couldn't even beat Maribor at home (!!!)

      Beat Sevilla though.

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