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      Ribapuru
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      Reply #150: Dec 28, 2017 02:31:00 pm
      I thought it was common knowledge that the Neymar fee changed things for all evaluations. Also Southampton would have accepted 65m had 10m not gone to Celtic. We essentially paid extra because Celtic were smart to put a sell on fee in... Something Rodgers should have done with players like Suso.
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      Reply #151: Dec 28, 2017 02:48:28 pm
      I thought it was common knowledge that the Neymar fee changed things for all evaluations. Also Southampton would have accepted 65m had 10m not gone to Celtic. We essentially paid extra because Celtic were smart to put a sell on fee in... Something Rodgers should have done with players like Suso.

      10%, not £10m.......
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      Reply #152: Dec 28, 2017 02:53:21 pm
      I thought 15% so i guesstimated 10m. 10% would be less.
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      Reply #153: Dec 28, 2017 02:54:18 pm
      I thought 15% so i guesstimated 10m. 10% would be less.

      I know. Thanks.
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      Reply #154: Dec 28, 2017 03:01:43 pm
      I thought it was common knowledge that the Neymar fee changed things for all evaluations. Also Southampton would have accepted 65m had 10m not gone to Celtic. We essentially paid extra because Celtic were smart to put a sell on fee in... Something Rodgers should have done with players like Suso.

      I don't think we negotiated Suso, he just ran his contract out, so it wasn't a possibility
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      Reply #155: Dec 28, 2017 03:44:33 pm
      It’s also not really spending “big”.

      At best it’s the first time in a long time they’ve invested to the level one should reasonably expect from the income generated.

      Capital expenditure is vital - especially when “wear and tear” can be mental as well as physical in playing staff.


      How the f**k do you get 5 votes for saying that £75 million for one player is not spending big?? Were you the kind of guy who also listened to Maureen's latest moan and went "you know what he's right, £300 million just isn't enough".
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      Reply #156: Dec 28, 2017 04:23:08 pm
      Whatever it is, Coutinho will pay for the £75m, with excess.

      FSG will never spend big and we don’t have to worry about that.
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      Reply #157: Dec 28, 2017 04:27:30 pm
      How the f**k do you get 5 votes for saying that £75 million for one player is not spending big??

      Gonna have to agree. It's the record spend for a defender. How is that not spending big?
      Not long ago we'd have missed out, then had guys making excuses, whining about not needing 'marquee' signings etc. - at least we seem to be past that - and agree with Klopp, it won't seem like a lot if he comes in and plays to the level we need him to.
      Massive statement of intent, and an indication of Jürgen's pulling power.

      Don't think he's hit the form he had before he got injured in January, so might need some time before starting games - guess we'll see.
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      Reply #158: Dec 28, 2017 04:33:42 pm
      I believe the Heimster is referring to m
      Gonna have to agree. It's the record spend for a defender. How is that not spending big?
      Not long ago we'd have missed out, then had guys making excuses, whining about not needing 'marquee' signings etc. - at least we seem to be past that - and agree with Klopp, it won't seem like a lot if he comes in and plays to the level we need him to.
      Massive statement of intent, and an indication of Jürgen's pulling power.

      Don't think he's hit the form he had before he got injured in January, so might need some time before starting games - guess we'll see.


      I believe the Heimster is referring to me.

      If so - and I’m not sure why people plussed it, but thanks if you did - I was referring to the fact that the totality of that plus the summer still isn’t big in the sense of being beyond what we could / should reasonably expect.

      We could / should be investing that every year with the income and the ambition we - the fans - have in order to compete.

      In the glory days we spent while on top.

      Also - let’s see if Cou is here in Feb.
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      Reply #159: Dec 28, 2017 04:53:47 pm
      I believe the Heimster is referring to m
      I believe the Heimster is referring to me.

      If so - and I’m not sure why people plussed it, but thanks if you did - I was referring to the fact that the totality of that plus the summer still isn’t big in the sense of being beyond what we could / should reasonably expect.

      We could / should be investing that every year with the income and the ambition we - the fans - have in order to compete.

      In the glory days we spent while on top.

      Also - let’s see if Cou is here in Feb.

      The reality, as I have posted before, is that the club can only spend what it has got and recent record signings actually go beyond that. I'll be the first to admit that FSG have not exactly been setting the transfer world alight since they took over the club but in recent seasons they ARE backing the manager and with considerable sums of money as well so lets all give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that they have turned the corner and are now serious about investing for success.
      BTW it's also the behaviour of someone lining up to sell the club, ie packing the club with assets to boost the value, so either way its all good :-)
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      Reply #160: Dec 28, 2017 04:59:59 pm
      The reality, as I have posted before, is that the club can only spend what it has got and recent record signings actually go beyond that. I'll be the first to admit that FSG have not exactly been setting the transfer world alight since they took over the club but in recent seasons they ARE backing the manager and with considerable sums of money as well so lets all give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that they have turned the corner and are now serious about investing for success.
      BTW it's also the behaviour of someone lining up to sell the club, ie packing the club with assets to boost the value, so either way its all good :-)

      Not really fella. Jürgen has a war chest remember......where’s that all gone?

      Should certainly be more than the net spend this year including Van Dijk.

      Time will tell.

      Let’s see the position post Cou.
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      Reply #161: Dec 28, 2017 06:17:44 pm
      but in recent seasons they ARE backing the manager and with considerable sums of money

      That’s because they’ve tasted blood. The CL money has come in. And they’ve gotten more sponsorship money. Not forgetting higher match day revenue on the new stand.

      In any case they still need to run the club responsibly, not spending beyond their means, or they’ll run the club to the ground.
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      Reply #162: Dec 28, 2017 10:16:27 pm
      Does the signing of VVD signal the departure of Coutinho in the January window...? or will we see Can,Sturridge, Henderson and others depart in the summer to help fund the move for VVD...? Guess only time will tell
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      Reply #163: Dec 29, 2017 12:08:39 am
      This is an absolutely massive signing for Jürgen Klopp this one and not just because of the fee either.

      There’s been some murmurings of discontent this season. People have criticised the manager for not addressing the defensive issues that have plagued us since Rodgers and this is, obviously, his way of fixing it.

      If it doesn’t work, I can see him coming in for heavy criticism at the end of the year if we continue to leak goals and don’t win a trophy or secure champions league football next year. The fee will only make that worse. If we then start poorly next season despite the Keita signing, he’ll be under massive pressure.

      If it doesn’t pan out like that, and Van Dijk is the man to come in and make a difference defensively.. Well, we’ve got ourselves a f**king team haven’t we. So many times this year I’ve said “Imagine we could defend - we’d be unstoppable”. Well let’s hope we sort our sh*t out and go and do it.

      As I said earlier, this feels like a massive signing to me; the outcome of which may ultimately shape the next few years for us and define Jürgen’s time here.
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      Reply #164: Dec 29, 2017 12:13:37 am
      Does the signing of VVD signal the departure of Coutinho in the January window...? or will we see Can,Sturridge, Henderson and others depart in the summer to help fund the move for VVD...? Guess only time will tell

      I know, just imagine running the club like an on-going concern when the Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds method is so successful.
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      Reply #165: Dec 29, 2017 12:24:24 am
      Does the signing of VVD signal the departure of Coutinho in the January window...? or will we see Can,Sturridge, Henderson and others depart in the summer to help fund the move for VVD...? Guess only time will tell
      Hendo, Clyne, Sturridge, Mignolet, Bogdan, Flanagan, Markovic can go perminantly.
      Woodburn, Ings and Grujic can go on loan.

      I would keep Hendo until the summer.
      It might seem harsh on Clyne, but I think the rest of his career will be hampered by injuries. Bad backs will be a problem for him and I sense an earlier retirement from him.
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      Reply #166: Dec 29, 2017 09:35:05 am
      Here is a small analysis of mine for anyone who hasn't seen enough of him. I've watched some of his games last season and I thought he was a really good player:

      - Physically strong, could easily shake off big physical players.
      - Strong in the air, I've actually rarely see him lose a header in any duel, he's probably the strongest in this department than any other defender in the league, so it's quite important that we have a player like that.
      - Excellent in tackling and excellent at reading the game. He is tactically really good - Commanding.
      - extremely quick for such a big defender, especially when he carries the ball forward.
      - A Good footballer, not the Jamie Carragher or John Terry type footballer who just hoof the ball at every opportunity. He's actually composed, a good passer and great at set pieces (shooting freekicks too! - watch out Coutinho you have some competition)

      Pundits can criticize the fee as much as they want so can other fans, but to be honest I don't see any other defender who has the same abilities as VVD at this moment as he is the BEST out there in terms of quality. He might not be a 75m player but who the f*ck cares really.
      I think Klopp was looking for another Hummels and liked what he saw in VVD. He might not solve all of our problems at the back (we still need to solve our GK situation) but I believe he will definitely solve some of our problems because he's a huge upgrade on Matip and Lovren.

      Anyways, just be happy we signed a very very good player and we are moving on the right track.
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      Reply #167: Dec 29, 2017 10:39:22 am
      Neville having a pop at the fee. After his former club let a player go for free to then bring him back for best part of 100mill.

      Wahhhhkakakaka. Who would do such a dumb thing except for our bitter rival.
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      Reply #168: Dec 29, 2017 11:05:02 am
      Not really fella. Jürgen has a war chest remember......where’s that all gone?

      Should certainly be more than the net spend this year including Van Dijk.

      Time will tell.

      Let’s see the position post Cou.


      Can you please tell me how big the war chest is and how much money LFC has available left to spend, after Salah, VVD, Robertson, Solanke and Chamberlain? You seem to be remarkably well informed on this, certainly more than I am on the internal finances at the club.
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      Reply #169: Dec 29, 2017 11:21:21 am
      Can you please tell me how big the war chest is and how much money LFC has available left to spend, after Salah, VVD, Robertson, Solanke and Chamberlain? You seem to be remarkably well informed on this, certainly more than I am on the internal finances at the club.

      From the guy who just opined earlier that we don’t have the money thus showing a remarkable knowledge of the inner finances.......

      Make your mind up dude.

      Otherwise gimme peace and just bark at the moon ;)

      Laters.

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      Reply #170: Dec 29, 2017 12:54:28 pm
      From the guy who just opined earlier that we don’t have the money thus showing a remarkable knowledge of the inner finances.......

      Make your mind up dude.

      Otherwise gimme peace and just bark at the moon ;)

      Laters.



      Answer my question please, what is the clubs warchest and transfer budget, according to you we have money left, I'd like to know how much. From my pov we are actually spending a lot already.
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      Reply #171: Dec 29, 2017 03:03:05 pm
      I'm delighted with the purchase. We could have got him cheaper in the summer, but hey, we dithered, screwed up and paid for it by leaking goals unnecessarily. Can't be undone, move on. We've been crying out for a top class defender for years. Not since the Hyppia/Carra partnership have we had a solid defense. Perhaps Carra / Agger partnership briefly, but that's a very long time ago.

      So we spent 75 mil, so be it, it's easily THE biggest area of concern of many years so it's a worthwhile investment. Lovren should be dropped and I can see VDV / Matip partnership as a solid one. Both excellent in the air, both can pass and dribble with the ball, both strong and VDV has the pace that Matip doesn't. I'm very, very optimistic.

      My only concern is that people might pile on the pressure on VDV for rest of the season. I hope it won't take long for him to settle, but piling on unnecessary pressure would just be shooting ourselves in the foot.

      When Keita comes in next year to provide better cover for the defense than the likes of Hendo, Can and Gini...we have a very bright future ladies and gents.
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      Reply #172: Dec 29, 2017 04:01:55 pm
      What's the world record one year will be the expected price next year. All good CB will probably cost that now. It's not Liverpool's fault with VVD. The Neymar sale inflated everything. If it weren't for that, 55m would have landed him.
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      Reply #173: Dec 29, 2017 04:19:11 pm
      Transfer fees are not set in isolation, so comparing them is always tricky... he probably would have been cheaper if he wasn't coming out of the Premier League, or if he didn't have recently signed a new long-term contract, that sort of thing.

      Just a few years ago, I'd have expected a player such as Sigurdsson, moving from Swansea to Everton, to have cost somewhere around 15m, and van Dijk maybe somewhere around 25m.

      Things have changed a lot recently, Sigurdsson moved for 40m and van Dijk 75m.

      Ultimately it will all come down to how good he is for us, and what he wins for the club.

      United once paid 30m for Rio Ferdinand, back in the days when 30m was a ridiculous sum of money. If you adjust for transfers inflation, Rio was probably more expensive to United then, than van Dijk is now for us. But nowadays no one even bothers to mention how much he cost, because he proved to be an extremely influential player in a very successful side.
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      Reply #174: Dec 29, 2017 05:33:30 pm
      I'm delighted with the purchase. We could have got him cheaper in the summer, but hey, we dithered,

      It was more the lack of dithering that screwed this up in the summer.

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